this is a story is that seemed like it would never end. one suspicious packaged after another addressed to targets around the country in makeshift mail bombs. today the fbi confirmed the existence of yet one more. it resembles all the others sent out. it was recovered last night in california addressed to democratic donor tom steyer. he thanked laws enforcement and the u.s. postal service or their support in a statement today saying his organization would not be intimidated by the packages. the news tones. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo primetime." >> thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo. welcome to prime time. mueller has been circling around

trump confidant roger stone. but there's something new, e-mails and texts that raise questions. we will test the man to questions. point two, in four days something big is going to happen with these elections and it's down to two voices, obama versus trump. the president now wants a strong comparison to the past president. he said that should be the voter's measure. so we have a deep dive for you how the two size-up. and a republican is here tonight who refuses to stay silent on what the president is putting out there. and he is walking the walk in a really unique way. the head of his party is making as many enemies as he can. this man is actually forgiving someone who threatened to kill him. friday night, grab your beverage and let's get after it. okay, so here's what we

know. cnn has obtained some of the messages that are now in the hands of the special counsel. in them trump's long time political advisor roger stone, unloads the man as he once described as his back channel to wikileaks. stone sends him a text message saying tell mueller to go f himself. is that a suggest he not testify? this comes a day after "the new york times" published e-mails between stone, steve bannon and a breitbart editor in which they discussed information wikileaks had on the clinton campaign. is this proof that stone was talking to the campaign about wikileaks might have when he said he never did? bannon is also one of about a dozen of stone's associates reportedly in touch with the special counsel's office. so let's put these questions to the man they involve most, roger stone. thank you for taking the opportunity. >> chris, thank you for having

me since i am banned for life on twitter, restricted today on facebook, and they're trying to ban my show on infowars. i appreciate the opportunity to respond. >> well, let's get after it as we say here. randy credico, let's start with him. one of them is never threaten a man's dog, but you do that in your messages to credico. and one is you were threatening him in a way that would make him not testify, showing the audience now what you said, i'll rip you to shreds and i'll take that dog away from you. there's not a thing you can do about it because you're a weak, broke piece of blank. there's his dog. what did the threat mean, roger? >> well, first of all to take three text messages out of thousands really shows no context. these are the late night ravings between two grumpy old men who

have been friends for almost 20 years. and chris, they're friendly, they're vulgar, they're vicious, they're nasty, but they're not serious. and therefore they'd have to be seen in context. for example, you don't see the text where he tells me i should be willing to go to jail rather than reveal his identity as my source. you don't see the text where he says my apartment is likely wired by the fbi. you don't see the text where i urge him repeatedly to tell the truth. you don't see the text where he says he's so heavily medicated he can't -- >> roger, please, offer up the texts. i'm happy to have all of them. >> you can cherry pick these, but it creates a misimpression. there was no effort to intimidate or force randy to do anything other than the truth. i identified him for the house intelligence committee as a man who gave me a solid tip, that

when julian assange appeared right here with anderson cooper in june of 2016 and said he had the mother lode on hillary, that he was telling the truth and that it would be devastating, a bombshell credico said, change the race. >> let me ask you something -- first of all, let me make the offer. i'm happy to take the texts between the two. i have no interest of not having full transparency on it. if you want to offer them up, please do. the reason is credico's response. he was offended by what you said. he said back to you you've crossed a line, what you did then. >> let's get to the dog. i see randy's dog, he was unemployed, i thought dog was underfed. i'd written about animal welfare

rights expensively. i am a dog lover. this was not a serious threat to take his dog, and he knows it. yes, he made me very refusal to. he only told me they were devastating and they would come in october. i now believe he learned that from a woman friend of his who was a lawyer for wikileaks for over 30 years. >> right. >> i was reluctant to give his name to the committee because i thought there would be a professional reprisal against him. he was a bernie sanders supporter and is not a trump supporter. >> i hear you about that -- >> he had a common opposition to hillary clinton. >> but he didn't interview julian assange until august 25th. so that would have been --

>> irrelevant. he knew the wikileaks lawyer for 30 years. >> he talked you two days before then. two days earlier when he was talking to you, he asked you what you knew. what is the october surprise? you've been in touch and in dectly with julian assange. can you give us insight? that doesn't sound like a guy who knows more than you? sounds like you know hoar than him. >> again, out of context, assange himself has said he's a clever spinmeister. there's no person who can honestly testify i had any direct communications with wikileaks or julian assange, other than those that were disclosed in a benign message to the house intelligence committee leaked to the magazine who then edited them before they reported them. >> understood.

i understand your answer to julian assange, but as to randy credico he's the one that under before you did two days before the e-mails to assange. >> in other plates he admits to being the source and he says that, you know, he's prepared to go to jail over his rights as a journalist. >> right, this is his radio show -- not to interrupt you, i'm sorry, roger, but this is from his radio show. it's not about taking it out of context. >> and on the radio show i say i have no influence or contact with assange and i don't want to give the impression that i do. and i don't want to give the impression that i do. and i talk about a source that i disclosed to the "washington post." and then later to the daily caller. i had a tip from a fox news

reporter. i produced the e-mail. who suggested that the wikileaks disclosures would be about the clinton foundation. i said that in a speech to a republican group. turns out to be incorrect. but that was my source, not some contact with wikileaks. >> is it fair the look at the message about mueller in which you say mueller should go after himself? that could be construed as a suggestion that credico not cooperate? >> on the contrary. if you have seen in totality, he tells me that i should go to jail in order to shield his name from the federal prosecutor. these are -- cannot be taken seriously. we have been friends for 20 years. they are all over the map. they have to be seen in totality and in context. >> have you give all of your text messages to anybody? if you really believe you're being hurt by context, roger, why don't you offer up all the proof you have that shows context gives you the bet of the doubt? have you offered them up? >> i assure you, the federal investigators have all of my text messages, all of my e-mails, and all of my phone

calls. the real question is how do they justify having them in 2016 as "the new york times" has reported on january 20th, 2017, that they were looking at? >> right. >> what was the probable cause for looking at them then. >> have you asked them? >> that was many month -- many months before the appointment of mr. mueller. >> have you asked the investigators? >> we have not. >> okay. >> we have not. >> another issue i want to give you a chance to deal with is the messages between you and steve bannon. >> yes. >> you said i didn't speak to anybody in the campaign about assange. we have now back and forth between and you bannon, about assange. and we have a discussion with you in and one of bannon's minions about what assange may have. in that missive, you say, i would tell steve what's happening, but he won't call me back. which shows not only that you had been talking to him but that certainly you were making efforts to talk to him. which is it? you never spoke to him about it or this is the truth in front of

our lying eyes? >> no. again. the context. on october 2nd it was widely believed that julian assange, who set up a presser, it was actually 3:00 in the morning. so i think it would have been october 3rd here in which he would have a disclosure. everybody -- every political reporter, every politico in the town was watching this. >> yes. >> it was wildly heralded. when he did not, bannon sent me an e-mail and said what was that last night? what happened? i told him two things. >> why you? >> because i was tweeting aggressively about this. perhaps he was following my twitter feed. but the two things i said was that assange had security concerns. after all remember hillary clinton had proposed hitting him with a drone to silence him. there were threats against his life. that information came from mr. credico. i wrote it on march 9th, in a long piece at stone called truth. the other thing i said there would be loads going forward

each week. asange announced that at his presser, politico reported it hours before. many in the media missed it. the story was assange drops nothing other than his very specific plan to make releases every week through the election. he actually said all of the election-related materials will be released in the next several weeks on a weekly basis before the election. >> but the part i don't understand is -- >> public information. >> i appreciate your explanation of the context. thank you for that. but you said in the past you never spoke to him about it. the e-mails prove you did. >> i missed this one e-mail. i have one million e-mails. the e-mail is benign based on the two pieces of information in it. let's be clear. nowhere do i say that i have direct communication with assange. assange and wikileaks have repeatedly accurately denied that. there is no evidence to the contrary. i think that provides the correct content.

mr. bannon has some animus towards me because i did write a piece urging he be discharged from the white house and two days later he was. this was a leak via his minion nunberg. and there is a follow-up from a breitbart reporter which reveals nothing other than the fact that i suggested it. if bannon wants to know why assange has released nothing and what his plan is, both of which are public information at that point, he can moo ermerely respond to it. >> the substance of the offerings or the loads as they were called at that time were not. when the bannon minion contacts you, assange, what's he got? hope it's good. your response, it is. >> based solely on the assurances of mr. credico who said it was a bombshell, dynamite, incredible, would change the race, would make history. actually it was -- that e-mail is on the 3rd. assange has his announcement on

the 2nd of ten of weekly disclosures every week. it was public information when i said that. >> two last things for you. >> i never was very specific. >> two last things for you, roger. the first one is two things you have forgotten in the context of these questions to you. one is that you did speak to bannon about this, however you want to explain the substance of the conversation. the second is, what seems to have been something that would have been hard to forget, which is this really colorful figure who came to you and involved the campaign as well with supposed information. a guy who was all dressed up like a trumpophile came with another guy, you had to sit down and meet with them. you forgot about that, too. are these convenient lapses of memory? >> no, actually the real question on the gentleman you refer to mr. greenberg is why a fbi informant, a national, a russian in the country on an informant's visa is visiting me

in may of 2016 trying to entrap donald trump. remember what he says, i have this negative information on hillary clinton. i said that's very interesting. %-p. i said i don't have $2 million. he said no, no, it is not your $2 million i want. it is donald trump's $2 million. this precedes the investigation into whether there is russian influence in the trump campaign beginning in june. using an asset in may for intelligence purposes would be highly illegal. i'm hoping mr. nunes and the intelligence community can get to the bottom of why a federal informant, an fbi informant who's got a violent history as a criminal, who can only be in the country under had amiami fbi cae

to see me about it. >> why'd you forget about it? >> it was also prior to hillary raising the ruszophobe you. since nothing illegal happened at the meeting and nothing illegal happened as a result of the meeting i have no particular reason to dissemble. i simply forgot it. but the simple question is why is an fbi informant coming to see me to begin with? >> the idea that an fbi informant is only on that one situation and is clean otherwise, you know, they can often be very compromised and shady guys that are working with the government on one level and not on others. but i think all questions should be pursued. and in that conversation with that man you eventually remembered saying $2 million from donald trump, he never pays for anything. and that is probably the most certifiably true thing i know you to have said in any of this. roger stone, thank you for taking on these questions.

>> and i reject his offer. thank you, chris. >> understood and i appreciate you taking this opportunity. as we learn more, the invitation is always continuing. >> thank you. now, as we head into the election the mueller probe is part of the calculus for voters. no question about it. that's not what the president wants you to decide on. he's saying you should go man-to-man, him versus obama. compare him to his predecessor. both presidents are on the trail today, so let's do exactly that. next. sometimes a day at the ballpark is more than just a day at the ballpark. [stadium announcer] all military members stand and be recognized. no matter where or when you served, t-mobile stands ready to serve you.

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>> all right. president trump wants to compare himself to president obama. and maybe trump has a point. with just four days before mid-terms voters should maybe compare and contrast what their leaders said and what they did and versus now. because that's the proposition now, wright? you want the democratic philosophy and policy and agenda or do you want trump's? so let's take a look. first, some of the things that are our common mix year as we get into election, how they deal with opposition. here's how president obama handled being heckled today. >> this is what i look forward to is having a few hecklers to get me back in the mood. in fact, i enjoy that. >> how does the president now handle hecklers? like this. >> if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously.

just knock the hell -- i promise you, i will pay for the legal fees. >> may sound harsh, but now that we know what he wants you to do if somebody throws a rock at the army, maybe that's just a consistency policy he has. then there's border policy. now, interestingly both men and really both parties have always wanted secure borders. the question is how and when they'll do it. so some of their policies actually align, these two. however, when you look at the results under president obama, you had illegal border crossings, no question. but they were on the down swing for the most part. why? two reasons. the first one was the economy was crap for a few years. we had a recession. and they also had different policies in there. now they're creeping back up as the economy does well. then there's the policy of how do you treat these types of

people, and that's where the words matter and that's where the men are very different. obama. >> it has shaped our character as a people with limitless possibilities. people not trapped by our past but able to remake ourselves as we choose. but today our immigration system is broken, and everybody knows it. >> all right, that's his articulation of what you want to hold as an ideal. while you fix what is broken, i think everybody would agree with that. here's president trump. >> as we speak the democrat party is openly inviting millions of illegal aliens to break our laws, violate our borders and overwhelm our nation. >> then you can take a look at it relationship that both men have with the truth as your president. trump says obama is the bigger liar. here's his argument. >> he was talking about you have to tell the truth. and yet 28 times he's said you can keep your doctor if you like

your doctor. you can keep your plan if you like your plan. they were all lies. >> 28 times, he's keeping track. and that's going to be important in a second. now, democrats would fight trump on that and say that it wasn't a lie, that it got complicated. that people and employers ended up switching plans in order to save money, and that would mean switching doctors, too. and as plans move they often took your doctor out of the mix. that's their take. let's give trump the benefit of the doubt and saying keep your doctor was a lie. and here woe go to trump and here is how they scored president obama. 76% of the time he said something true, mostly true or half true. remember we're dealing with politicians. this is metric that would never work in any other aspect of our life. then there's trump, and here's what we get. >> i always want to tell the

truth. when i can, i tell the truth. >> when i can, i tell the truth. now, why is this such a damning thing for him? because obviously he sees the truth as an option. and we've never seen anyone lie as much as he has. his politifact score almost 70% of what he says is some level of false. if you take a look at it their total through the end of october, 6,420 false claims. and in the seven weeks leading up to the election, he's been averaging 30 a day. 30 a day. he pointed out 28 lies, remember i told you that, about president obama through the whole aca process. and i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. every time obama said you can keep your doctor, i'll give it to you as a lie, this man, president trump, 30 unique lies a day. lies. he lies about lying and he calls

those who call out his lies, take a guess, liars. so we will see tuesday if lying and selling fear works for president trump. and if this comparison makes people want him more or less. four days left. it is time for us to debate what should matter and the outcome.

both parties are presenting what they believe will be the most compelling closing arguments to the american people. trump, fear and loathing. doubling down on both. claiming that if democrats win the caravan will bring a crime wave. >> they'll want to turn america into a giant sanctuary for violent predators and ms-13 killers. a blue wave would equal a crime wave, very simple. and a red wave equals jobs and security. >> democrats brought out the big guns today with president obama highlighting their focus on health care. the question is which argument wins. let's ask the great debaters.

jennifer granholm, and david, what a fellah. good to have you as always. governor, why is the democrat message better? >> well, really basic. people care about health care. if you ask democrats and independents, and let's just talk about independents. democrats we know care about health care. republicans do, too. but those independents that could potentially go either way, that's their number one issue. this is why trump is trying to distract from health care. there are 53 million people in america who have pre-existing conditions. they all care about the cost of their prescription drugs. and those independents -- the three quick states, independents are going for the democrat in arizona in the senate. the democrat in arizona by 26 points. in tennessee, by 24 points.

in indiana by 23 points. if we are trying to fight for that group of undecided or independent voters, health care is a key issue. >> chris, your comparisons were entertaining. it problem is they didn't include the one that have been the deciding factor since 1950, and that is strong economy. the output gap is a key indicator here. and it is small. in fact, we are overproducing. in every one of those elections when we've had economy as strong as it is, with record numbers the incumbent party, the president's party did well, held their own. you referenced the immigration issue, and that is one of the biggest gaps between where democratic party leaders are today and where the american voters are today.

in fact, it was governor granholm on this network in 2010 who said obviously you want to protect your citizens from crime. and clearly it's a crime if illegal immigrants come here and take your jobs or are in fact committing crimes, et cetera. that's what local law enforcement is for. think about how different that is from how democrats talk today. >> granholm, you double-talker, how do you deal with that? >> that was in 2010. but what the president is doing by tweeting out that ridiculous completely inflammatory commercial, talking about ms-13 coming with this caravan, all these women and children and people who have got bandaged feet because they're refugees, making them some horrible boogeyman, it's buecause he

doesn't want to talk about health care. he and republican have come down fighting for pre-existing conditions. >> he's banking on something, too. >> just to be clear, they're fighting to get rid of -- >> pre-existing conditions. they've joined the lawsuits and want to make it easier interest states not to cover pre-existing conditions with their plans. period. let me ask you something ask mr. avela, you're talking about immigration and i believe the president is working it because he thinks it's working for him. he's not killing himself to get congress to work on this. he believes the fear may be enough. and you said the economy is his big deal. i don't disagree with you, but he does. listen to what he said today. >> they all say speak about the economy, speak about the economy. well, we have the greatest economy in the history of our country. but sometimes it's not as exciting to talk about the

economy, right? because we have a lot of other things to talk about. >> it's not exciting. >> there it is. >> this is the man who said that the murder of 11 jewish people was a distraction to momentum. he's not thinking about this the way you are mr. avella. you're coming at it as a conservative would. this is tiger with different stripes, my friend. >> this is also an election that will be like everyone since 1950. >> find me a president since 1950 who had an economy that is strong who is below 48% in the polls. only this one. and you just saw why. this country doesn't cotton to harshness as strength. it cottons to sweet strength, compassion. he's selling something else. it's working for the base, but it's not getting you where you need to be. look at the polls. >> well, you look at voter

turnout. >> robust. >> in key states. >> robust. >> republican aligned voters are turning out in higher numbers in states like florida, georgia, in texas, in indiana where there are a number of key races. look, it's going to be exciting these next couple of days and missteps are going to decide some of these senate election. let me give you one. in missouri you have clara mccaskill who called crazy democrats out. what happens? a democratic senator comes out and calls her an unpleasant name. and here mccaskill has now committed a major error by calling her base crazy democrats. >> well, you've got wild times that's for sure. did you ever think the president of your own party would call himself a nationalist?

>> i think the president's point is -- >> would you call yourself a nationalist? >> most americans are for america -- >> are you a nationalist? would you call yourself that? >> i'm for america. just as you are and just as governor granholm is trying to make america better. you can distract by trying to say are you this or are you that? what americans are going to go to the poll and vote in a couple of days is this america. >> but the reason you had to dance, and i forgive you this, you had to dance because you know a nationalist means stalin. you know it means anti-semitism and communism. he said it. >> chris, this is why independent voters and

republicans and 25% of democrats think the media causes violence. it is because of this -- >> who thinks that? the president said that. don't make the president any form of consensus. you had me until then. i've got to go. even for friday night that was crazy talk. but you're welcome back and thank you. have a good weekend both of you. so there was a situation where the next guest, congre congressman had every reason to press charges against the young man who threatened him, instead he held a press conference with the same man and he wound up almost acting as his attorney and keeping him safe from exposure because there's still an open case. it's an incredible story of maybe what we should be about more in this situation that we're living in. meet republican congressman carlos caravelle.

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four days until the mid-terms. the president is stumping on one of his favorite messages, pretty

much his only message these days. fear the immigrant. they're coming for you and your jobs, and your women and children. and you've got congressman carlos carvalho and some others who have spoken out against it. he's so committed to what he says is an anti-hate campaign, this week he actually for gave a 19-year-old man who threatened to kill him. good for you. you didn't have to do this. there's still an open case. some people are trying to hit you with that. he didn't really forgive him. when you do something like that could be charged the crime is against the state, and the individual in this case, you, is the victim. so, you know, the state has to make its own determination. obviously your willingness to move forward will be large in their own assessment of what to do. but i want to explain it to everybody. so let's talk politics and then personal. you saw him there, he was

dancing, though, once be got to the word nationalist. and i don't let it go because the president brought it up. he introduced america first, and we both know he didn't create any of these. i say introduced, not created. this is stalin. this is anti-semitism. this is communism from the world war ii era. why does he reintroduce these phrases that the rest of you don't want to own? >> chris, well, good evening from miami and thanks for having me. i'm a proud american. i want our country to look out for our interests. i think that's important. but that's different from nationalism. because nationalism implies that we win and everyone else loses. it implies a conflict. and that's the world i think i live in or at least not the world i'd like to live in. and it's part of this divide and conquer strategy that we've seen the president and other politicians from both parties use over the years. sometimes successfully. and what i've been telling

people is what this election is coming up is that it's important, we have tight races here in florida at the congressional district level, and obviously at the state level as well. your own polling shows that. but i think if we don't get this right, if this country doesn't start healing, it's really not going to matter so much who wins elections because we're all going to lose eventually. and my family, chris, lost their country. the politics in their country became violent. the leaders there pitted one group against another. this was in cuba, of course. and eventually democracy died. i don't think we're near that point here. but we're certainly walking down that path. and i hope we can all hold hands and turn around before it's too late. >> what do you do in this situation, congressman? he's the leader of your party. people in your party are scared of trump. they'll afraid you'll hurt them at home. that the base will come, and he's got well over 40%

popularity. everything he says about migrants moving here and the places they come from is negative. how do you deal with that? you're from a place that celebrates diversity in south florida, and now this is your party. it is the party of trump. how do you distinguish yourself? >> chris, you've got to speak up and say the truth. aiocan you can't be afraid. the worst thing that can happen is you lose an election. if obama was wrong, i'd criticize him. and when trump is wrong, i'd criticize him. that's how every member of congress should be. that's how the founding fathers envisioned it. they thought it would distort the way we think and the decisions we make. so everyone's got to call it honest. and last election i told the people of my district and

obviously i have a republican base like everyone else out there and a lot of swing voters that support me, too, but i said, look, i'm not supporting trump or clinton. i don't think either of them have run good campaigns. they've both tried to divide the country. trump with his rhetoric, clinton with herb deplorable comment, which i thought was wrong, too. and the people in my district respected me for it. they re-elected me even though a lot of them were upset i wasn't supporting the president back then. >> at least they knew where you stood. they may not like it, but at least they can trust it. i don't know when was the last time i saw something like this. so this young man goes on twitter and acts stupid. which i think is the default mechanism for everybody on twitter these days. he makes a real threat, scares you, scares his wife. he's arrested and then you decide to forgive the kid and

you don't want to get him in trouble. why? >> chris, again i think healing is the most important thing that can happen in these this country. unfortunately these days you get these threats, you get them, i get them and you've got to take them seriously. we've seen that in a very dramatic way recently. when after the police arrested this young man, i called the police department and said, hey, is he really dangerous or is this just some kid who said something that i'm sure he really regrets right now? and they said it was the latter. and i said, well, i'd like to meet him. because first i want to understand why it is someone would say something like this or express themselves with so much hate? and secondly i'd really like to turn this into something positive. and i sat down with pierre, really good kid. plays the piano, plays the

guitar, and he's in school right now trying to get his associate degree. and he explained to me he had some issues in his personal life that he thinks pushed him to do something like this, and he also talked about the toxicity of our politics and how nasty everything is. and i said would you be willing to come together and kind of explain to everyone what happened, stand next to me, show that we can heal, that we can forgive, that we can just stand together as americans even if we may disagree on some issues? and he said that he'd be more than happy to do it. and i hope he gets his case closed soon. i'm confident that the state attorney's not going to charge him. i spoke to her at length and told her about my experience with him and she was very receptive. and when that time comes i hope this young man can also kind of share his story and that we can all learn from it, and that it can help put us down a better

path because i'm really worried about things in our country these days. >> if i can help out with that, happy to give voice to it. congressman, thank you for joining me on a friday night. >> have a good night. why can't you have more conversations like that? you talk about the nature of things and people aren't throwing b.s. at you how you're getting the question wrong or you're fake. the halloween costumes that prompted a school investigation and an apology to parents. this is the opposite end of spectrum that i was just discussing. did a group of teachers and staffers cross the line? you be the judge. next. .

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this is one of those stories where i am hoping there is something that we learn that makes it different than we already know. teachers at an idaho elementary school dressed up for halloween. that's not unusual. you would think they would know not to be controversial. right? everybody is so careful these days but take a look. some posed as president trump's border wall and labeled make america great again. otherwise dressed up as mexican stereotypes. d. lemon is here. don, the superintendent apologized. they took the pictures down. they said the costumes were part of a team building exercise about respect and kindness. >> i really -- i -- i don't know what to say. it's -- it is a sign of the times. this is exactly what people talk

about. and when -- you know, i get so sick of when people are speaking the truth that everyone is upset and they become a victim. we can't do anything anymore. we can't do halloween costumes anymore. oh, miami gosh. i am a victim. just don't do this. just don't do it. there are some thing that you cannot do in this society. and should not be done. >> even the wall crossed the line? >> of course, the wall crossed the line. come on, chris. what do you mean? >> i'm asking you why? >> say again. >> why? >> hold on. someone is talking to me at the same time. i want chris to repeat. go ahead, chris. >> don't be getting help in your ear when you talk to me. >> i didn't think they realized they were talking to me. >> why is the wall crossing the line? make the case. >> why is the wall crossing the line? well, it's overtly political. and what is the wall meant to do? it's meant to keep out what? >> anybody. >> a certain group of people from coming into the country. it's not meant to keep out the real -- well, i shouldn't say

the real. it's not meant to keep out most of the people who come into the country illegally if you want to call it that or -- >> because you're talking about overstays and people who use the tunnels and -- >> that is the big -- that is the big immigration problem for the most part, yes. the southern border is an issue. but most people come in, as we say over and over, they overstay their visas. of course it's blatantly political, especially in this time. if you're educated, you should know better. not only that, you've got people dressed up in sombreros with fake mustaches and maracas. come on. >> yeah, i hear you. >> what is that? >> i hear you. i'll tell you, the only thing i want them to do -- and, again, we'll learn. let's see if there's something we don't know. the team building thing doesn't help. this is the opposite of team building. it's like building like an anti-team to go out and separate other people. but i think what they need to do is make sure these people get it. and if they're not zealots -- if they're all zealots and they're like, i love the wall, man. i don't care what you say, all right. then that's one choice they've made. but they need to understand why

it's wrong. you'd be shocked how many people don't get that what they're doing isn't kind, isn't right. >> no, i wouldn't be shocked. i would not be shocked. >> i just hope that somebody does that in this because otherwise we don't get any better. people leave. they're bitter. they think they were misjudged and nothing moves in the right direction. what do you have for us on friday night? >> i'm actually talking to someone who helped some of jared kushner's ancestors get into this country, who were asylum seekers. and so far they've heard -- they were very disappointed at the reaction of the trump administration and jared kushner around the synagogue shooting, and they have not heard from him, and they are -- they don't understand why, but they're very disappointed about it. so stay tuned for that. it's going to be very interesting. >> i will be watching as always. and i'm going to be taking up a similar issue about what the reaction should be to what happened not even a week ago. it's amazing. >> can i ask you a question?

i know you have to go. what do we do to get people to understand what's appropriate and what's not? >> talk. >> to understand their own racism, their own biases, their own -- >> talk and listen to my closing argument. >> all right. i'm going to do it. i'll see you in a minute. >> d. lemon. >> all right. all right. as don was just telling you, that we're still trying to figure out how to make sense of what happened not even a week ago. tonight is the holy night of shabbat. it's the first shabbat since the deadliest attack on jews in american history. and you can't forget what happened, all right? and don't get caught in the numbers. 11 people were gone, their families all affected. legacies they would have made now interrupted. how do we deal with what was lost? i think it means something right now that isn't being acted on. my case next. this is actually under your budget. it's great. mm-hmm. yeah, and when you move in, geico could help you save on renters' insurance!

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can't forget that jews were targeted in this country not even a week ago, murdered by a man who was fueled by hate for migrants, so much so that he believed those who helped them should die. their loss is a reminder of the problem in this country but also the remedy. remember the line from a past president. what is wrong in this country can be fixed by what is right in this country. what is wrong should be obvious to all of us now. politics is dirty, plays to darkness, bringing back dark terms from the world war ii era that speak to oppression and bigotry and pretending not to know that. that's what nationalism is and false notions of who your enemy is and demonizing others. that's what it's all about. the president can say otherwise, but don't be a sucker. the truth is just a google away. and then there's this tragic loss and a reminder of what is right in this country.

a spiritual and moral commitment to others. these were jews. their faith has a couple of central commands. one of them is called tikkun olam. another is called tzedakah. now, tikkun olam is repair of the world, all right? it's about making yourself but also, and much more importantly, making society better in every way that you can. tzedakah is hebrew for charity, and it captures a duty of giving back. christians have this as well. they see it in the phrase collaborators in creation and the call to be about something more than yourself. these 11 people, they knew from personal and family experience what it is to fight and flee from those who originated the terms that trump is rekindling. you got to look at them and remember that that was their experience and that their lives

and their faith was about being better than that. their lives were taken by someone who was manifestly different. he was about the wrong things. so in one moment we see a confrontation of what is destroying us and what can save us as well. we must mourn the loss, but we must also do more. the way to cope here is to do more of what this bad man tried to stamp out. in fact, i'm shocked by how quiet we've been in response. a famous quote rings true now as ever. the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for the good to do nothing. demonizing the weak, the different. we all know it's wrong. the anger, the hostility. even the right is saying tone it down. it's not about toning it down. it's not about less. it's about more and different. do something about that which you oppose. be a positive force for what you believe. and so there's a question in this. what will you do? 11 people died for believing in a duty to do better for those they share this earth with. how will you respond to their loss? thank you for watching. you can tune