hello, everyone, i'm chris cuomo. a verdict is coming in 48 hours. just two days. we're going to know whether or not trumpism is truly a mass movement. the president is banking that a special sauce of fear and loathing of migrants will bring out folks across the country. if the kras seek up house seats, the trump base is going to be seen as critics suggest. a minority. it's more about rallies than real impact. the magic number is 23. that's the number of seats that the democrats need in the house. it's only two in the senate, but it's more likely that democrats lose than gain ground, we need some practice on these words. so the senate, we'll break down the races that matter the most.

which seats might flip or might not and then we have this big ex-factor. they may change the political landscape and the shape of the road to 2020. just two days, what do you say? let's get after it. tongue tied, it's such trick you stuff. we're off @ races. more than 27 million people all across the country have already cast their ballots for the mid-tirms. some are preching presidential levels of turnout. good for you for taking control of this process. this is what people have been asking for half a generation. so what do we see? women, older voters, they are leading as demographics in the early vote. the former president and the current one are both digging in making their final pitches trying to draw out young voters and independents.

they are the big x factor these days. president obama took a swipe at president trump and the cloud over his white house. >> they promised they were going to take on corruption in washington. instead they racked up enough indictments to field a football team. . no one in my administration got indicted. >> oo, now he's going to feel it. trump took the day to double down on fear about the caravan. >> i called up the united states hill tear. we're not playing games, folks. because you look at what's marching up, that's an invasion. that's an invasion. >> so where do these last-minute pitches in early votes leave us? what a gift for you on a sunday night. we have s.e. kup and dana bash

and let's talk some numbers. let's put up where the early vote is. this is great. millions and millions and millions of dollars have been dumped into organizing by both parties. it's paying off. it's sad we need that much money to grease the gears, but whatever it takes. . these are states that surpassed the 2014 early vote counts. your looking at it there. now let's give us the next look of where we see people showing up the most within that. do we have that? we'll guess at it. that's why i have the panel. what are we seeing in terms of where people are concentrating the numbers? there's a little red herring play show iing the whole map. it doesn't matter if people are coming out everywhere. we applaud that. it's great for democracy. but in terms of where they are, that's all that matters. >> yeah, a couple things. early voters are often people who are going to have voted on election day any way.

i think what it comes down b to whether or not you believe swing voters are real. if you believe swing voters are real, these are not swing voters. the people going out early made up their mind, they are excited, they have made their decision. if you believe they are a myth, as i tend to do, i don't think anyone is really still deciding, they are deciding whether to go or stay home maybe, i'm not sure this is all that indicative of telling of what's about to happen. remember, florida and north carolina had huge early voting swings in 2016. that was supposed to be very good news for hillary clinton. she lost both states. it used to be that early voting was indicative of voting. it's not the case anymore because republicans are in on the game and have been for a couple cycles. part of the sort of big surge in

early voting is also that a lot more states are doing it. the groups are being aggressive. parties are being aggressive who are motivated. i totally agree with you. but it's also that it's just easier and it's more accessible than it used to be. >> it's indicative of which groups have passion going for them. but to both points, we have made it easier to vote, but we have not boosted turn out. so i expect this will be a higher midterm election than the last in 2014, but i don't read too much into the numbers thinking we're going to outpace where we were in 2016. >> what would shock you? >> i would say something that's 125% of where we were in 2014. >> but it's a good brarometer. passion wins the day. if you know who those folks are, it's an indicatoindicator. >> looking at some of the data

that has come, i didn't have it for you right now. but we do see that in the states that are going to matter in the house seats we're looking at, you have equal representation of robust turnout. there are a couple outliers, but both teams seem to know this game matters a little bit more than other ones. and they are coming out. >> they are. you could see us hurting some candidates. john tester would have apprecia appreciated the libertarian candidate endorsing his opponent earlier. so it cuts both ways. yes, there's passion, but when you vote early you might miss a last-minute reversal or last-minute news. >> we saw that one of the things in the diagnosis, dana and i were commiserating in the newsroo newsroom.

>> at least you have highlights. >> best hair in the business. i tell you every time i see you. we were talking about what we got wrong last time. the popular vote went within the margin of error. but select states, the more i have dug into it now over a couple years, what was gotten wrong can't be fixed. we didn't have the ability to catch the person who is paying attention, who is triggered on something positive or negative, but who when approached said i'm not going to vote. that's what we saw in the states i don't buy into this process and then close. they say i've had it. you can't catch that. i don't know we catch it this time either. >> 2016 was a wakeup for myself. that's for sure. but for a whole host of us to have some prep dags about all of this data crunching. we love it. we're junkies. we still got it wrong.

>> my sister is a documentarian and is covering gillum. he's got a lot of moment you want on the ground. he's at the bottom of the polls. can't win. it's not going to be him. it's either the mayor of north beach. money has it all locked up. i was wrong. gillum took it by a lot. they didn't. capture voters who were sensitive to polling. >> it's a polling problem. it's a problem with the existing technology of polling. and just how tribal we have become. people are not always willing to tell people who they are going to vote for. >> there's polling, which maybe

difficult, although i would argue that big picture polling was right in 2016 if you look at the popular vote versus the states. but then there's that versus the data. and talking to republicans who are crunching the numbers, the rnc, millions and millions of dollars in their voter vault and identifying voters. they feel like they have a pretty good handle on where voters are in the midterms because of this study. they are making some quiet predictions. what we're thinking, which is pretty well in the senate, not so much in the house, for republicans. >> these cottage industries that have grown up around what happened in 2016. people are making fortunes to

try to help them fill in the unknown. >> they are bringing in money. >> trump. i want to play a piece of sound of him. now he is doing things that were not anticipated here. the economy is so strong. some candidates are. he is not. now he's not talking about the house anymore either. he's talking about the senate. what's going on? let me play you a taste. >> i think we're going to do well in the house. but my primary focus has been on senate. and i think we're doing really well in the senate. >> since when? >> i think the white house has made a calculated decision. the fact they made it days if not weeks ago that the house is over and this whole nativist campaign, this strategy is intended because it's the suburbannitises they lose when they talk about sending troops to the boarder. i think it's a calculated decision. otherwise it's political ma

malpractice to not be touting the economy at every opportun y opportunity. >> he has been doing what et had just said. for the past two weeks, he's been focused almost singularly on the senate. the reason is not rocket science. it's because the turf, the political turf is on trump turf. it's trumpland. >> he has the benefit of both. he is more popular than the republican candidate in the states where he's going. it does have the inverse effect on these house republicans. as excited as they are and they are on the republican side to have the president come in and boost that turnout in these red states for the republican candidates in the senate, it is

hurting these republicans big time. it turns them off. republican who is are working in those races don't think the president is giving the swing voters a reason to vote republican. >> this has been paul ryan's living nightmare. especially the past two weeks when you had berth right citizenship and call me a nationalist and all of this stuff that he knows very well turns off people like me. suburban white college-educated, lean republican women who would be inclined to vote for republican who is are very turned off by that. >> the nationalist thing doesn't work for you? >> that's not my bag, baby. call me crazy. i happen to know what that word means. but paul ryan knows this used to be a mainstay, reliable voting bloc for republicans. and his nationalist push might come at the expense of voters. >> it's all calculated.

it's very deliberate. he knows what he's doing. i'm convinced that sbrinternall they said we can't maintain control of the house so this is what we're doing. look out if it works with regard to the senate. imagine what that means 2020 will look like through the eyes of the white house. >> a tripling down. >> he's not wrong o the basic assumption if you go negative, you wind up benefitting from it. that's as old as the political game itself. what a great panel. thank you very much. when we come back, we're going to talk about why the governor's races are more important this time than ever before. usually it's an eye roll. 36 governorships are in play. i think they could be the key to 2020. and we're going to talk about why with somebody who understands the map very well in this. he's the head of the governors association. stay with us. sometimes a day at the ballpark is more than just a day at the ballpark. [stadium announcer] all military members stand and be recognized. no matter where or when you served,

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no one can totally satisfy a craving, quite like your wing nut. this is all about what happens in congress. can the democrats get to the magic number of 23 in the house and wind up being in control and be a which can on the president? or are republicans and more specifically trumpism, going to rule the day? then you get to the governors races. you have 36 coming up around the country. and you could make the case that you should be watching this just as much. now i know that sounds a little weird, but they matter in ways big and small, especially in races like florida and georgia.

to discuss, we have the chair of the governors association and the governor of washington state. good to have you. >> nice to be in atlanta tonight. >> it's very nice to have you there. >> ordinarily, in this kind of midterm thing, et with watch the races because they are power players. but we're not worried about them in the overall national calculous. you say not so fast. why did the governors races matter? >> the governors races are central to democracy this year for three reasons. we know this gerrymandering is a pathology, it's an illness in our body of politic. it has to be remedied. the best way is to elect democratic governors. those democratic governors in the states to veto engineer rged maps, it's pivotal we elect democratic governors to bring fairness. just in eight states, we have a

group called unrig the map. that's seven states rendered fairer, meaning democrats have a shot and republicans have a shot, which is is all we ask for tor, to restore balance. second, and this is important, people sort of failed to realize this. there's something i discovered. for all his tweets and chaos and unhinged actions in the white house, donald trump cannot stop stacey abrams from expanding health care. he cannot stop andrew gillum in florida. he can't stop wisconsin from building roads and her theme is build the roads. she can do that. trump can't stop this progress in the states. this is the place america ask

make progress state by state. we can be a check on the president as well. on the muslim ban, on his action to try to cut the funding for law enforcement, we can check that in court and otherwise. >> some cultural things also. you governors have tremendous sway within your states. if roe v. wade does come up, if conservatives get what they want which is repealing, it falls to state. each state will make their own real culture statement about what is going to be allowed. >> you can't count on the supreme court under the current conditions to protect your right to a woman's right of choice. my state was one of the first to recognize this right. neither donald trump or the supreme court will be able to prevent our state from recognizing this value statement of a woman's right of choice. so we will control our own destiny state by state, governor

by governor and that's why the races are absolutely imperative. >> and the districts are a big deal for people. they think that's done on a federal level, which the gop certainly realized 17 years ago when they started putting so much money into state legislature seats and took 100 of them away from democrats, made a big difference for them. let me ask you about georgia and florida. do you believe that you win one or both of those tonight? >> we're very competitive in both. speck tackily gifted candidates, stacey a bram, great leader in her legislature. rescued the hope scholarship. they can't build a birdhouse in d.c. and she helped get a big infrastructure package. she blocked some tax hikes for the middle class. really talented person. andrew gill um, who has done fantastic work standing up to

the nra, recognizing climate change. republicans don't even want to say the word climate change. ift in miami beach where they are having to raise the streets because they are under water. so wefr two candidates offering solutions. that's working big time. i'm excited. i have been on the ground. you can't believe the enthusiasm. they are packing people in. i'm real happy to see it. >> president trump is linking the two candidates as well in an interesting way. let's play it for the audience. >> she's not qualified to be the governor of georgia. not qualified. >> andrew gill um is not equipped to be your governor. it's not for him.um is not equid to be your governor. it's not for him. >> not equipped, doesn't have the talent, cant handle it. do you think there's a

connection to the kinds of candidates he's using that language with? >> it's amazing to me a republican leader can't open their mouths without saying something that's a dog whistle. we have seen that with the very first thing that the republican in florida was talking about monkey business against his opponent andrew gillum. this president is the last person in the world who is going to give us advice about who is qualified and who is not. i would expect the next thing he would say is that candidate isn't honest like i am. i don't think this is going to get him very far. this is why we're so competitive in these races. people wrote off stacey and andrew. people are not. stacey abrams is effective enough to bring health care to 500,000 people in georgia. donald trump hasn't lifted a finger for them. and in fact, he's threatened their coverage if they are preexisting conditions. i have been going around the

country and these republicans all have something in common. they understand that they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar in the preexisting condition issue. they have threatened coverage for preexisting conditions. i talked about it the other day with the republican candidate for governmeor in ohio. they have preexisting conditions. that's their record. their record is a sad preexisting condition. they can't run or hide from it. so we're going to elect a lot of governors just on that issue. people are very concerned about health care. it united all of us. the closest thing to family security is our health. we're on the right side of history. >> politically, they can can make the case that the bills would have protected preexisting conditions, but that lawsuit they had the government join with some states to enable states to not cover preexisting conditions, that speaks very loudly as well. governor inslee, thank you.

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one of the interesting things, so much talk about the economy and concentration on it. the president wanted you to believe so much it's the best ever. ten as he gets closer to election day, the less he talks about it. the more he banks on make iing people afraid of what the migrants represent. half want democrats to take control of congress. 43% support republicans. so it's pretty close. is he going to help or hurt? vour voting for an

non-republican you're going for gillum. now the president has a very special brand on his attack on gillum. et he keeps saying he's not equipped. he's not up to this. and he's then doubling up with his he's going to let in all of the special people who are coming. you're going to pay the price. is he making a savvy political play? >> he's making the same political play that he made in 2016. and that won him florida in 2016. the contrast is so great. there's a campaign run on fear mongering, division, hostility, gloom and doom, the end of the world is is coming. the alien invasion is is coming, bill the wall. despite the fact we're a

peninsula. on the other side you have happy warriors trying to offer ideas, talking about happy things and a brighter future. that's the choice in front of florida right now. i don't know how it's going to end up. i hope floridians reject the politics of division. i hope they reject the lies, the demagogue ri, the talk that andrew gillum is going to turn florida into venezuela, which could not be a bigger lie. >> steve, why aren't you a happy warrior? >> i i am a very happy warrior. that employment report we got this past friday, i worked on wall street for two decades. i can't recall a report that robust, that wonderful on every possible facet. at least since the 1990s.

so this country is growing like we haven't grown. it's not a matter of we can either talk about that or talk about immigration and the border. why can't it be both? it should be both and. and they are related. one of the reasons, i believe, that working class wages has stagnated and in the past and are now accelerating, blue collar wages are now rising even faster than white collar. they are both doing great. hispanics are doing better than whites. one of the key reasons is we're not flooding the country with a million illegal workers a year. that's not just national security policy. it's terrible economic policy. getting control of the borders is very much linked to our economic prosperity. >> i can see how you can make the case. you can make an economic case and a lot of the candidates are. the president believes something different is compelling. i really think we have to give it some air because he's making

a very different play and he's the head of your party. here's how he described in terms of why he's not talking about the economy. >> they all say speak about the economy, speak about the economy. well, we have the greatest economy in the history of our country. but sometimes it's not as exciting to talk about the economy. >> that's right. it does not gin people up. it doesn't fill people with distress and drive them to the polls because they are scared of what's going to happen next. it's amazing how transparent donald trump is in some of these moments. when he tells us, this bomb stuff distracted us from talking about politics. the economy stuff is boring. it's perplexing that he doesn't go out there and say, i have given you two supreme court justices, we have pass ed a tax

reform bill, the economy is good, promises made, promises kept. he has a positive message to run on if that's what he wanted. but he clearly made a choice and the choice is scare voters because that's going to drive them in droves to the polls and it's a more effective tactic. >> if you watch his rallies than just cherry pick, he absolutely talk abos about the economic gr message. when he said it's boring, he was being funny. >> right after he said that, stooe, he moved on and talked about the migrants. not the economy. >> i believe both are going to win for us. it's not fear mongering to talk about the need for border control. we have tens of millions of illegal immigrants in the country. that's not okay. the president was clear about that as a candidate in 2016. it's clearly part of his

mandate. >> but being here illegally doesn't make you a murderer, a gang banger or a drug dealer. that's how he talks about these people in the main. it's inaccurate and it's ugly and we know why he's doing it. >> but there are some who are. >> some, yes. >> what do the democrats want to do? gillum wants to eliminate i.c.e. he wants to make florida a sanctuary state. he wants to bring san francisco values to florida. i think it's one of the reasons he's going to loouz. political correctness isn't just dumb. it can be deadly. >> let me ask you something. go ahead, make your point. >> first of all, andrew gillum does not want to eliminate i.c.e. this is an issue i talked to him about. it's a republican talking point. i think he'd like to see i.c.e. change and see the focus be on et deporting criminals. but for the last ten day, we have seen a president that has

lied about the ka va van, said it's full of middle easterns. is sending thousands of unnecessary troops to a border when the caravan is almost 1,000 miles away. has put out a racist ad demonizing immigrants over and over again. is talking about eliminating birthright citizenship. it does not take a genius to figure out what he's doing is just milking the hell out of the immigration issue as a wedge issue. rising up racism, rising up distress and angst over the invasion. >> listen, if america were a white nation, and we refused to have immigrants who were brown, you would be on to something. we are a multiracial, amazing democracy. >> funny all his ads are not about people that came through the canadian border. >> we have a right to defend our

borders and decide who should come in not based on color, but their skills, on their love of our values and our constitution. that's what trump wants. that's what we haven't had. here's the thing. we have tolerated if not encouraged illegal immigration for decades in this country. it work ed for elites and democratic elites who wanted amnesty. >> they wanted cheap labor. you don't go after them because they are your buddies. >> listen, i'm saying that both sides, republicans and democrats, were to blame. the president saw this and stepped into that gap in 2016 and said we are going to get control of immigration in this country. doesn't make sense. >> he can o do that and he doesn't have to talk about these people. if you really wanted to round all these people up, put a ton more money into i.c.e. and enforcement and then youen wouldn't have to use local authorities the way you do.

but he's playing a different game. he's playing a game. >> i got to go. >> you come from the presup sogs that he's racist. >> new york cio, i don't. don't cheapen the logic of what he does. follow what he says and why he says it. make your own judgment. >> i think he's racist. he called mexicans and criminals and rapists. >> sign me up in the category of people who think he's racist. he's said so many racist things. >> you call him a racist when you don't want to talk about policy. >> we got to go. we'll take it up again after the election. >> he is a racist pig. >> he is the worst one ever because minorities are thriving. >> i don't have enough time to list all the things that bother

people about minorities. >> neither do i. >> thank you for coming on to make the case. one of the things you can take away from that that's true is the president could be making a different case than the one he's making. but he doesn't choose to do that. and he could pick polls that say good things about him. but then he doesn't choose to do that. he wound up making something up today. why? we're going to talk about to somebody in a very big race in the middle of of this country and he's endorsed by the president. you're going to talk to james. he's in a big race. he's going to make the case for the president and himself, next. ♪ at last,

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>> thanks for having me on. >> this is a little bit of a fact getting in the way. he's talking about a tracking poll. we don't use them. they are not seen as a reputable outfit. he said it was fox. he was wrong. do you believe his approval among blacks is near 40%? >> well, i can only speak for the people who i'm talking with in the state of michigan. to be honest with you, there are folks who love him and some who hate him in michigan. i get pulled aside and people are saying they are excited to finally have a conservative to vote for. i went to a pistons game and i was pulled aside by an african-american in the street who was selling tickets who said he was voting for me. i can only speak to my experiences, but i think people are excited to have somebody that has experience in combat and in business bring iing peop

together to accomplish tough missions. >> thank you for your service. mr. james is a veteran. you are not a hard core trumper. correct me if you want. you cast yourself as independ t independent. i did some good research on what you say and don't. you have never called yourself a nationalist. you'd say you love your country and put your blood on the line for your country, but you wouldn't call yourself a nationalist or the media an enemy. how do you support the president and not call out that kind of talk? >> i recognize is and realize this race for me and for the state of michigan is not about the president. the only two people on this ballot of concern is me and senator -- i'm not here to speak for the president or african-americans. i'm here to speak for myself and people are excited here because i don't have a black and white message. i have a red, white and blue message. my priorities are god and country, in that order. i'm capable of disagreeing with the president without attacking him and agreeing with him

without worshipping him. that's the balance we need to make sure congress is operating as a separate, distinct and equally powerful branch of government. not all check. i think we need balance and i have the leadership and ability to make sure i'm working with anyone who can get resources back to the state. that's what my focus is on the state of michigan. >> fair point it's not red or blue. it should be red, white and blue. respect the line. respect the idea. don't you think the constituents there, one of the reasons they support stabenow is she will stand up to the president of the united states and say, don't say you're a nationalist on my watch. that's not what we're about here. we're not about that ugly talk. you can secure the border and not say you have an invading horde of demons coming your way. >> i will stand up to the president when i need to defend the constitution of the united states and the interests of the state of michigan. i will work with the president

and stand with the president when it comes to defending our constitution and protecting michigan. i'm an independent thinker. i love everyone. i really loved your sessigment n you talk about our fathers. and recognizing that we need to have more compassion and we need to have more inclusivity of thought. i think everybody can learn from those great scholars. i'm looking forward to bringing my passion for service to bear, my understanding of the military and my understanding of the business to make sure that all michiganers can have the opportunity to see the american dream. >> what do you say to people that it's worked, they are afraid of the migrants that are are coming. they think somebody is going to rape somebody. they think they are coming in here to do terrible things. you have militias running down to the border. many will come armed and ready to to do what they see as defending the country. what do you say to those people? >> legal immigration is an economic and moral imperative for this nation. this is where career politicians

have failed all americans. not getting common sense constitutional compassionate immigration reform done. we must secure our borders. we have to consider folks who are coming up here for a better life, we need to also consider the people who are here also looking for a better life. we need people who will get things done for michigan and the country. senator stabenow has been in a position to do something about this for 20 years in washington and 18 years as a senator. we can't wait is six more years to get these solutions. we theed to get them now. i'm willing to work with anyone and everyone to get balanced and effectiveness back in washington to benefit the country and the state of michigan. >> john james, you're in a tough race. thank you for coming on the the show. appreciate it. thank you for your service. >> it's an honor, sir, thank you. you heard something i just mentioned there about who is heading down to the border supposedly in the name of defending this country. could there be that it is an invasion coming?

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you may not be buying the talk from the president about fear and loathing and all these monsters in our midst coming from the southern border but a lot of people believe it. there's a militia group called the texas minutemen headed to the mexican border awaiting the arrival of the migrant caravan. you have about 100 to 250 armed civilians. they say they want to help patrol the border after trump warned of an invasion. this isn't a new phenomenon. militia members flock to the border on and off. we saw in the the 2014 immigration crisis, caused headaches for the real border patrol. that year border patrol agents mistakenly fired at two militia members. no one was hurt. let's bring in dee l d. lemon. they hear the talk, they're afraid. >> they're afraid. a group of guys with guns are afraid of people with flip-flops and -- >> that's not what they think they are. they think they're invading, coming in, they're killers, terrorists, gang members. >> let's be honest.

that's not true. there are criminal elements in all groups and of course we want people to abide by the laws of this country but are we expecting them to be bet than the folks who are already here? people who were born in america commit most of the crimes. 1. >> 100%. >> illegal entrants because they want to stay low on the radar. >> but why do you need that? you just said in 2014 that border patrol agents shot at these militia members. >> by mistake. >> but can you imagine any group of people showing up and put those people in different ethnicities, make them all white? what do you think reaction was? make them all hispanic, what do you think the reaction would be. make them african-american. you can see a whole group of people -- i would imagine they're mostly men -- just imagine that.

how do you think people would react to that. people openly carrying guns at our border -- >> i think the less white, the more menacing. but you are getting a mix of reaction. you have land owners saying do not come on my land, you don't represent me. you have an absence of hearing anything from cbp, custom and border patrol. you don't hear anything from the military. the question is what can you do. here is my concern. >> get the president to stop with the rhetoric. >> that we can do in a heart beat. i'm say dog down to t-- you go the border. see people crossing illegally. what do you do? you're not supposed to approach them. you have no color of authorities. but what happens if they upset and go like this and you're sitting there with a weapon? i'm just worried about these scenarios. >> you're making the point they shouldn't be there. if you respect law enforcement, if you're worried, and i would imagine the militia members are mostly conservative.

if you respect law enforce. the way you professor then you allow them to do their jobs. you don't try to do their jobs. you don't put other people in harm's way. i think the law enforcement professionals, the people whose job it is to protect the border, they're going to do a good enough job. you don't think thousands of members of the military know what they're doing and can handle themselves? that's a problem. >> 100%. how wheare you going to take it tonight? >> we're going to talk about that. we're going to talk about georgia and what kemp is saying now talking about hacking the system. unfounded claims. showed no evidence. >> i saw the head of the party was on with anderson and said it's a made up story. there's no proof. we want them to give us proof, they won't talk to us. >> if you're saying someone had the ability to hack your system, you're the secretary of state. >> conflict. >> but isn't it your job to

protect the voting system. so are you saying you're not doing job. >> he's saying i don't want to talk about what you say about voter suppression. >> are you saying you can't win unless you come up with a bogus claim? >> it's a conflict. he's doing so well i'm going to end my show so he can keep going. in georgia, the secretary of state who is also the republican candidate for governor is accusing the democrats -- we're not making this up, this is a real thing. someone running for office saying belies the integrity of the system. is there any proof and isn't this a conflict of interest? the answer is yes. stay with us. (vo) this is not a video game. this is not a screensaver. this is the destruction of a cancer cell by the body's own immune system, thanks to medicine that didn't exist until now. and today can save your life.

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