freedom that was the destiny of this land and now here is the delicious and greatly unknown detail. where did this great man get such a great idea? a woman. sara josepha hale. she was a publisher when women didn't have the same access to the literature. she wrote stories and essays and pressing the importance of the idea of the need for a national day of thanks. all of us, all on the same day and all of us on the same day in the same way. why? as a building block of our interconnection, our interdependency, our collection of fate. she even wrote recipes. she was obsessed. she wrote lincoln and abraham saw the genius in her

suggestion. truly an epiphany. how to deal with the war and bloodshed. how did he do it? he reminded all of those fighting no matter the side that together you are going to do more than the way you are doing it right now. and that even in the midst of all of this bloodshed and it was terrible, makes what we are dealing with today meaningless. you should still be thankful because there are going to be better days. lincoln spoke. he was giving thanks not just to recognize blessings but to heal. with one heart, with one voice. that is who we are. and he was right. can you imagine living through those days? an echo of this perspective. the national holiday was still

not passed in 1863, it wasn't until congress did it in 1941. wart in the midst of the early despair. lincoln in the middle of the war. 1941, we just got done with the great depression kind of. the president, fdr signed this into law right after pearl harbor, once again in a time of national crisis, the worst attack on domestic soil at the time reeling from the great depression, fdr saw the coming of thanksgiving, a point of national resolve. all of it in it together. the truth greater than the vagaries of the time. the reality that we have much to be thankful for as americans as one of those interconnected and interdependent in a place and during the time when the best is still yet to come. that's the story of thanksgiving and it comes again this year just like it does every year and

it is exactly the right time with what we are dealing with. so me, i'm going to give thanks. i have so many blessings. i am wildly fortunate. i am going to include you, trolls too. because we are all together. the best is still to come and here is my early thanksgiving gift. another hour of me. what do i say? let's get after it. come on, admit, that's a heck of a story. you can dislike your political enemies, but did the president try to cross a line that should not be crossed? we know how the president feel about hillary clinton and james comey, but he did to arguably abuse his power by trying to have them prosecuted? the "new york times" said it

went down last spring. the source says don mcgahn quashed the idea. warning the president that if you do something like this, bad things can happen to you. the news raises more red flags. cuomo's court in session. gentlemen, thank you for joining me just before thanksgiving, i am thankful for both of you h d handsome lads. i am the president of the united states. i am in charge of the doj. you work for me. go figure it out. what did i do wrong? >> well, chris, what you have done there is send a signal about abuse of power. o one of the grossest signals of

such an abuse in the american history. i had the privilege of talking to the president sitting in the oval office and when a president says that he is thinking that he wants to order the prosecution of someone, that's taken serious. and that is intent. the proof that this was taken seriously and this was extremely close to action, don mcgahn felt like he had to act and talk the president out of it. when you study the facts, this was a signal of abuse of a very grave time. micha michael zeldon. i think laws were broken, and as president, i am the ultimate executive, i can suggest that they do things. who said i order it. prove it. i am suggesting you go look at t

i don't like what they did. where is the abuse? >> it is not illegal. i think the president acting under his constitutional prerogatives can order the justice department to institute an investigation. the justice department should then exercise its independent judgment to determine whether or not that prosecution is worthy. so in a pure criminal justice sense, i think the president was in his legal rights to do so. from to norm's point, from an abuse of power standpoint, from using the offices of the president in a way that is unbecoming to the office which is in the words of hamilton in the federalist papers, an abuse of the position of that office, i think mcgann was correct to say to him, if you do this, notwithstanding the constitutional right, you are treading close to treading the

abuse of the powers of his office. >> so the legal distinction winds up becoming the matter of the how really, not the intention behind it, how you get to it. and what we know about that is that the president at some point was in a meeting with rod rosenstein. which is it, is this a man that the president hardly knows or a man who is important enough and significant enough that he would be in a meeting where the president says where are we when going after comey. >> whitaker has been described as the eyes and ears. perhaps his most significant

grievance is that the previous ag jeff sessions recused himself. let's make no mistake about it. matt wit kerr was put there because he was the compliant ag. and you no longer have the resistance that jeff sessions represented, indeed you have whitaker who won't recuse himself. we can never take this as normal. we are in an extremely dangerous place for our democracy. >> i have two questions. one for each of you and about the mueller probe. give me a quick answer. michael zeldin, do you believe

that the special counsel comes back to the white house with more questions? >> i think the special counsel reviews the questions and determines if he needs any more information. if he does, he comes back. the question is how does he come back? does he come back with a second set of written interrogatories or permission from the justice department to subpoena the president. enough with the take-home test. with we are going to do an oral. >> it is going to have nothing to do with obstruction because the doj is going to have to decide there is no way to proceed. what chance is that? >> i think there is a 5% or less that it has nothing to do with obstruction. there is such substantial evidence of obstruction, no way

does the bob mueller is going to let that pass without at least reporting to congress substantial report of obstruction. >> i am just saying there was no questions about obstruction. >> because he has them in the bag. >> okay. norm eisen, michael zeldin, happy thanksgiving. maybe he did, maybe he didn't. that's what the president says in defines once again of his own intelligence community. the cia with high confidence says the saudi crown prince had something to do with the brutal murder of khashoggi.

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it was a day of presidential pardons. just moments before his annual white house turkey pardons, he actually did two of them. never mind that the cia determined the crown prince, mbs ordered the execution. that is what they find with high confidence. how did the president take it today? he said well, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. and besides it is about money not morals. >> saudi arabia, if we broke with them, your oil prices would go beyond the roof. i am not going to destroy the world competent, and the economy for our country by being foolish with saudi arabia.

we are with saudi arabia. >> who says that it is all or none? who says that you can't put america first without surrendering america's first value of the world which is human rights. let's debate it. steve, i give you the ball first. help us understand why what the president just said was right. >> chris, i will tell you, human rights are very important in the united states. but i would disagree with your premise. it is not our first priority. our first priority is america's interest. >> doesn't it come first? >> america's interest comes first. in world war ii we had a close military alliance with joseph stalin. stalin and the united states had shared interest in defeating the nazi germany. >> stalin, talking about enemies

of the people. >> he was a monster who starved people. >> weird guy to echo. >> my point is that yet america had a shared interest there. the same is true for saudi arabia, are they perfect? far from it. and neither is china. china, america's largest trading partner has a reprehensible freedom record. yet we trade to a larger extent with china than any other nation on earth. because again, there is a trade interest. >> remember that time when they killed that washington post journalist? me neither. >> i remember when they put their own, in prison. he died in prison. >> they didn't kill a journalist. >> let's not act like china -- >> this is a red herring.

>> here is what we saw today, angela, the president said, the cia, i don't trust them. they say the prince ordered it. he said maybe he did, maybe he didn't. he knows better. he says they are wrong. then he says i am not turning down 400 billion, 400 trillion. whatever that number is. they need our stuff, they can't buy from russia or china. and then he says, i am about america first. how is america first if its value of supporting life isn't first? >> yeah. life and liberty. there is a document this country was founded on where these are supposed to be the premier interest in the country and the ways we should protect people representing our country's interest. that is an american value. this president whose conscience

has been seared with a hot iron which is scriptural which is clear. he lacks desensy. when faced with a question about the death of this journalist, trump pushes back and talks about oil prices. when faced with the death of this journalist, donald trump pushes back and talks about a jobs program. talking about this arms sales program. all of these things that he does and then he goes on to say they are our partner, they are our ally. he is standing with saudi arabia. and my question to donald trump would be, if he is watching, and sometimes he does. why are you beholden with the interest in the saudis over what is the best interest of our country. when you have a bipartisan out

cry saying this is a problem. the fact that he does not know with certainty is also troubling. he should have erred on the other side. because i don't know all bets are off. that is inherently problematic. and i'm sorry steve, i wasn't asking that. i said i hope donald trump was watching. but the other point is that i hope when the democrats take over the house in january and well-meaning republicans remember what we are really all about that they hold donald trump to account for this. perhaps some of this information will be found in his tax returns. perhaps that some of his business interest, that he talked about today, somebody has something on this guy if he is willing to lay it all on the line for the saudis. >> republican senators and

democratic senators came out under the magnitsky act. about what happens with khashoggi. maybe they are saying if the president doesn't belief trk they want to know what he knows. but you know one of his guys called me today and said hold on a second, the president has this right. you don't surrender the entire relationship with saudi arabia. but that is not what he said. nobody is asking him to go to war with saudi arabia because of khashoggi. he said i am all about america first, putting america first, the money, the jobs. why did he say it that way if that's not what he meant? >> that's exactly why we trade with china, with another country with an awful human rights

records. >> what does it say to china and russia, that you can kill a journalist and lie about t and say as long as we are making money off you, we are cool. >> and this is why i brought up stalin before there, is an emerging reliance. all taking on iran and iran has been now for a generation, the prime force of instability not just in that reason, but also exporter of terror globally. much line ke we aligned ourselv with -- they are an ali along with israel and the united states in composing the threat. >> he didn't mention iran today. let's say that is true.

wouldn't it be nice if you had some kind of collar around that dog that iran may be, some deal that keeps him in check. >> we do, sanctions. >> you had a better one with the deal. angela, as soon as they took it off, that was money owed. they took the collar off iran and they said they would start to heal more. they have a weird way of getting in line. >> my issue is this, it is very simple. donald trump stood up before the american people and before the world to see today that there is no penalty whatsoever for killing an american journalist on foreign soil. >> he is not an american. that's not true. >> he works for an american publication, the "washington post." >> if they had killed an american, this would be an entirely different conversation.

>> the point. >> just so you know -- a point to angela's side. you better not be saying that. you better not be drawing a description what life matters most. if it were me that got killed and the united states had a different posture. is it just that he wasn't an american so that is okay? >> yes, so let me get back to my point. >> of course it doesn't mean it is okay. there is not a u.s. national security interest when a foreign country kills one of its citizens. it is not remotely the same as killing an american citizen. >> what matters is what you value. >> you all regularly make judgments about the weight of an ally, and this is someone who was an ally to us.

the problem with this, and this is where i was going initially. donald trump sees the press as his enemy. more of his enemy than the saudis because he can put a dollar figure next to it. he is aligning himself with the saudis because he understands what it is like to be questioned. he sees questions and accountability as attacks. he is siding and aligning himself with people who have been threatened by the mere questions, threatened by the mere speaking of accountabilities. and he has made it clear that the press is his greatest enemy and that is the truth. and a painful pill that is hard to swallow. >> and he not -- the press has been able to see.

>> gjim acosta, jim acosta. are you kidding me. >> they can say whatever they want. >> are you serious? >> his press pass was removed for very poor behavior. nothing was done to the organization of cnn. >> you don't mean that. you don't mean that. do not do that to jim. >> i am tired of constantly hearing how he is somehow abusing freedom of the press, that is a lie. that is fake news. >> what is fake news is your presentation. >> you cannot compare him to mbs or anybody who ordered the murder. >> that is not our standard. you don't have to kill somebody -- >> we are not there yet, pal. the line is not everything is okay but murder. >> he has criticized with his

words. >> time out. he has put people's lives in attention. do you know there are people who sit on this network who are getting death threats because of your president's rhetoric. >> i know because i happen to be one of them. >> not because of donald trump's rhetoric. >> no, because of the left, because of antifa. >> is that why we have bombs sent here, because of antifa. >> are you saying that antifa is not violent. >> i am saying -- >> you are epic at red herrings. you win. you go off tangents. >> when somebody threatens you and your family and safety, i hope the first thing that comes to mind is, well, there are bad things other people do. >> somebody sending a bomb to our office because he was being

put down by the president of the united states. don't hide with the fact -- >> there is political violence and political threats on both sides of the country. >> we got one president, one man who sets a tone. one man who sets i am evil. one man who gets people crazy enough to come up to me on the street. and it ain't no one from antifa. >> plenty of people -- >> they should kiss you. >> tell it to scalise that it doesn't happen in both directions. >> not how you are trying to create it at all. >> let me make this clear in the spirit of thanksgiving. i am telling you right now that a tone is set on the top of the country. that is where the tone comes from. if the president did not speak the way he does, he would not

get the coverage he does. if he does not, there would be a different tone in this country. if he takes his own advice that he gave to the turkeys today, peas and carrots, we would be in a better place. >> how about mainstream media stops calling everybody racist. >> have i ever called you a racist. >> plenty of people. >> i am way out of time. >> red herring steve, red herring steve. >> that is not going to stick. >> that is definitely going to stick. >> steve, be well. angela, as always, be blessed and thanks for being on the show. look, when the president comes out, and says i don't know about my cia.

and we have a lot of money on the table, and the world is a mean place, this khashoggi thing, it is what it is. how does that make america look to the world. let's talk to somebody who helped shape america's policy in the middle east. what do you think the message is? next. -morning. -morning. -what do we got? -keep an eye on that branch. might get windy. have a good shift. fire pit. last use -- 0600. i'd stay close. morning. ♪ get ready to switch. protected by flo. should say, "protected by alan and jamie." -right? -should it? when you bundle home and auto... run, alan! ...you get more than just savings. you get 'round-the-clock protection.

we've never had a president at least in my memory say outwardly, look, i know someone was murdered but we have a lot of money on the table. the president proved today that the money matters more. saudi arabia is going to have his support even with overwhelming evidence that the crown prince ordered the murder of a journalist. he was also innocent. where does that leave us? aaron david miller joins us now.

welcome back to prime time. i lean on adm. adm, i would have called you if i couldn't get you on tv tonight and ask you am i being naive. i know we have bad people in the world. i think steve cortez and a lot of trump folk should be reminded of echoing stalin rhetoric. is the reality that we need saudi arabia so much that there can be no truth to power about what happened to khashoggi. >> the answer is no. i have never seen a statement quite like this. i have to applaud the president in his economy of language. he managed to undermine the credibility of his intelligence organization. boost the credibility of a

regime that willfully planned and executed a murder. he emptied the frame of american foreign policy of any moral or ethical sensibilities and values and principals and at the same time to boot, he managed to exaggerate what the saudis have done for the united states. so no, the relationship with saudi arabia is important, but we are not an ally. and to steve's point, it is not a question of values of interest. if john mccain were here, he would tell you our values. consequences of mbs's policies.

we don't need to throw the relationship out. we don't need to undermine or destroy it. we need to find a way to inject greater balance and symmetry and rationality into this. and that is going to be a real heavy lift in coming weeks and months. >> are they so key to our plans to the middle east and stability in the region? >> i think there is magical thinking. the president, he went to saudi arabia and jerusalem. he invested heavily in two countries that he accused obama of undermining. and the reality is yes, he has made saudi arabia the lynch pin of our regional strategy. they are supposed to keep oil prices stable. they are supposed to help us contain iran. and the reality is that a lot of those are project incomplete and some of them with respect to containing iran, i think they

produced the opposite effect. enhanced the saudi regime. far from a force of stability, a case can be made without some course correction that they are a force for instability. >> is there merit to the argument in your opinion that the posture of america here is nice wide-eyed message for strong men in other parts of the world. >> 100%. the tragic manifestation is the way we accuraquiesced the saudi. not support. this isn't on trump. this is on mbs. but the reality is that we have been coddling dictators and authoritarians since the beginning of the administration.

and this is not the first administration not to put human rights at the center piece of its foreign policy agenda. this president has emptied of its moral values and principles and that is really bad for america. >> especially if something really bad happens and now we are going to have to see what america's posture is going forward. adm, love and respect for you. the best to you and your family. >> likewise to you. i hope you have a safe and loving thanksgiving. >> don't come to my house if you are looking for peace. it is never like that in a good year. all right, ivanka trump, did she break any laws. even a powerful republican wants

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defending his daughter ivanka's use of e-mail. here is the defense. >> there was no hiding. there was no deleting like hillary clinton did. there was no service in the basement. you are talking about fake news. >> this is not fake news. even trey gowdy, sent a letter to the white house chief of staff john kelly asking for details. let's get after it. good to see you all. >> hey, chris. >> all right. let me play proxy here for a minute. april ryan, it is something that must be looked at, because after she was given notice not to use it anymore, she did. is it hillary clinton. i could argue easily no.

you? >> well, you know, chris, one thing, any time when you are at that level and you defy what you have been told, something is wrong. and she heard her father who she supports as a senior administration official. she heard her father talk about this on the campaign trail, lock her up. because of the e-mail and the servers. and she did the same thing, using her private e-mails to send business from the white house. i asked the president. i tried to ask the president today as he was leaving to go to florida, mr. president what do you think about elijah cummings and this possible investigation about the e-mails. he smiled and pointed at me, and said whatever. he is very flip about this. this is very serious. >> be careful if you ask a

followup question. >> i didn't ask a followup question. i was respectful. >> decorum also known as censorship. ryan, where do you think this goes with ivanka? >> well, all of these issues over the last two years have been major media stories and then sort of die. that is going to change come january when the democrats take over the house and they have this enormous power to investigate anything they want. and so i think the trump administration is about to realize what kind of change and what it is going to be like when another party controls one of the two chambers. so undoubtedly because of, look, i am probably the only person in washington who never really thought the hillary clinton e-mail thing was that big a deal. when the fbi gets involved in something, it is obvious serious. i thought it was blown out of

proportion. and what i have seen out this story, these records acts, very important to reserve these reports. but doesn't seem like a high crime. the issue is whether ivanka trump should be sevenirving in white house auto all. having said that, house democrats are going to investigate this because the irony is so rich, right? >> the hypocrisy. but here is the problem, david, let me put this to you, the democrats get this. do you want to come out of the gate showing how they flex? >> you make a good point. i don't think that should be their top priority partly due to ryan's point, this may not be the biggest fish to fry. it may not rise to some of the other issues that are facing

democrats as they come in looking at the trump administration. this bigger question of ms. trump acting as if you go by the "new york times" reporting, the rules don't apply to her and don't apply to her family, the hypocrisy, that is going to come out. whether or not there is any criminal implications or anything classified in there, it is about not following the rulings that everybody else has to follow. >> april, i was joking around before, and i shouldn't. i don't know what is going to happen in terms of what kind of rules and who gets to vet them and what is due process and are we going to wind up going back to the judge about what is the determination that entitles reporter. when he said that the president

is never done anything, never done anything to free speech in this country. just criticize them. >> oh my god, your producers know too much. >> you were on camera, my love. >> i know i was. here is the problem, chris. this moment in time is a historic moment because you have to remember every time there is a challenge to one of the amendments or freedom, you know, it sets a moment where it could go one way or the other. and if it goes in the wrong way, we lose access. we lose the freedom that the founding fares put in place. we lose that robust back and forth with the president of the united states. and it is again, not about us, it is about the american public getting the information. and you said something so succinctly, you said censorship with this decorum and these

guidelines. once you get a question and he gives a question or he gives an answer, sometimes you want to flush it out to end more. it doesn't end there. the president wants to call on who he likes who he feels will make him look good in this wonderful light. give him a halo. everything right now is not pretty. some of it is on a garbage can lid and we have to report t it is not about what you like. you are the president of the united states and what is presidential that we report on. >> 100%. the president should pick on only people he likes. he just can't stop the questions from coming. i don't care if he never calls on people he doesn't like. r ryan, the problem is, when you start creating rules to stop questions that you don't like to

answer, is there any question in your mind if this judge hadn't stepped in. he would have gladly put together rules to bounce you out on your ass. >> you don't know if case law could be created to go another way. >> scared money never wins. if you believe in something you got to go. >> these rules will now be tested. the white house has always tried to control those press conferences, right in but we have never actually seen -- the way they usually control is have a list of reporters they call on or people who you think will treat you a certain way. but having basically a content

restriction now, right? not the force of law but a regulation with the threat of a penalty, that is absolutely new and unprecedented. and you know -- >> i don't think it would pass muster. >> i don't think it would either. i know april and others in that room are going to test it on day one. i think we'll be back at loggerheads. >> 20 reporters in the last briefing asked follow-up questions. let me ask you each quickly. before i let you go. >> exactly. >> thanksgiving is coming. swerdlick, let's start with you. what are you thankful for? >> i'm thankful for my family, and i'm thankful that we as americans can still find things to agree on, even though there is a lot of disagreement and a lot of discord in the country right now. >> ryan lizza, what have you got. >> sorry, no follow-up questions here. you know, a lot of personal things i'm thankful for. in the wake of the elections, and i don't mean this in a partisan way, i'm thankful that our system works the way i think our founders intended it to work. we had a big controversial presidency for two years and a

midterm election that offered a correction the way that i think the system was meant to work. and you know, i'm thankful as dark and scary sometimes the trump presidency is, the system is actually adjusting. >> april, i saved you for last because frankly, you're my favorite. what are you thankful for this year? >> oh. i'm thankful for love, i'm thankful for my children. i'm thankful for the april army that's supporting me in the midst of all of this, chris. i didn't know there were people out there really watching. they thank me and i thank god for freedom of the press. i thank god for freedom. i thank god for this country. >> beautiful. thanks to each of you for what you are every day. i'm thankful for my brothers and sisters that make truth a priority in this country. be well, happy thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving, chris. >> all right. not such a great thanksgiving for trump antagonist michael

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all right. we are learning more about the accusations of domestic violence against stormy daniels' outspoken attorney michael avenatti. aspiring actress mareli minuitti got a restraining order after accusing him of physical and verbal abuse. advocate was arrested last week, but he's free on bail and has not been charged in the case. athena jones us now. thank you for jumping in.

what do we know? >> we know he is accused avenatti of physical and verbal abuse. she said in this incident he called her an ungrateful expletive female dog, he forcefully hit her, she says, with pillows from the bed and also from the restraining order she says he dragged me on the floor of the apartment towards and out of the door into the public hallway. i was wearing only my underwear and t-shirt at the time and suffered is scratches to the bare skin on my side and leg that's coming straight from the restraining order she was granted yesterday. >> avenatti response? >> he is denying this repeatedly on twitter and through his lawyers. one of his tweets today, when the tweets and the facts are fully disclosed, including the security camera footage, he will be vindicated, and a lot of people and news organizations are going to owe me an apology, as well as money. completely bogus. in another tweet, he put out a statement or signed a release authorizing the building to

release all well event video footage. neither he or his lawyers are saying there is any. >> there are cameras everywhere in buildings now. if there is video, it will be very helpful. he has been and matt not just this won't stick or i'll beat this case. he's been adamant saying he's innocent. to a lawyer, innocent means that you didn't do any of these things, not that it's a bad case, not that it's too close of a call. you know what i'm saying? it's a distinction with a difference for a lawyer. he's definitely putting everything on the line this did not happen. >> that's right. he says he never laid a hand on her. he has never hit a woman ever. he believes he will be fully exonerate add and his lawyers support his statements. even if there was video in all kinds of hall waist and ex-tear yors, we don't know there was any video from inside the apartment. >> 100%. when the arrest originally happened, there were at least reports about swelling on the face. i wonder anything from police about yeah, we have pictures of the scratches, pictures of her

face or anything that would be indicative of violence? >> it's interesting. avenatti did a sort of point by point rebuttal of a report that came out last week from another outlet saying the idea that this woman has a swollen face, that that wasn't at all true. in this document, the restraining order there are pictures part of it. they're hard to make out. those are not of this woman's face. they show a light bruise on a body part, maybe a leg or a thigh. it's not clear. no, there are no photographs and there is no information in here about any sort of swelling or redness on anyone's face. that is something, again, that advocate has specifically denied. >> look, it's being taken care november the right form. this isn't done in just the court of public opinion. you've got investigators, police. they're looking at it. we'll see if there are charges and all the proof will come out. avenatti says he wants to invoke that process and help it. let's see if he does it. thank you very much. best thanksgiving to you. >> thanks. happy thanksgiving to you, and we'll be following this closely. >> yeah, 100%.

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