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republican groups, so they don't want to take any chances. >> jessica, thank you very much. we'll talk to you tomorrow night. thanks to you for joining us. see you then. anderson starts now. good evening. we begin with breaking news about the man who once ran donald trump's campaign who's now in jail awaiting sentencing and promised to tell robert mueller's investigators the truth in exchange for less prison time than he might otherwise deserve. that was the idea. paul manafort was already in a world of trouble. tonight he's in more. today was the deadline for the mueller team to tell the judge whether manafort is telling them the whole truth and they say no, not even close. evan perez joins with us the latest. what sells in this court filing? what does it mean for manafort's plea deal? >> it means the plea deal still stands but the cooperation agreement under which the government had promised to encourage the judge to show leniency, well, that part of the deal is off.
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i'll read you what the court filing says. it says after signing the plea agreement manafort lied to the federal bureau of investigation and the special counsel's office in a variety of subject matters which constitute breaches of the agreement. what the powell is's office is saying is that they want the judge to move towards sentencing. they say they'll provide more information about the nature of the lies that paufrlt made as part of these lies that he has been telling since he made his plea in september. >> did prosecutors indicate what they say manafort lied about? >> they did not indicate exactly what he lied about. but our team has seen him show up and spend hours nine time since his september plea agreement. we've seen his lawyers show up
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for short meetings which perhaps is an indication of the disagreement going on behind the scenes. and we don't know what this means for the special counsel. we know this was an important person for the special counsel to have cooperating with this investigation. we don't know whether this hurts their investigation or what information they may have shared with paul manafort and his lawyers and if any of that information could be making its way to other people, including, perhaps, the president's legal team. all of these are big questions that are now really in front of us as a result of this extraordinary filing from the special counsel's office tonight. >> evan perez, thanks very much. joining me now former federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin, david gergen, john dean who served as richard nixon's white house counsel, also former federal prosecutor ann millgram.
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john how to phrase this question but how frigging stupid is this guy? >> very frigging stupid. to get a cooperation agreement and the chance for a lower sentence was very important to him. especially since he's 70 years old. to throw that away, to throw that benefit away by continuing to lie to the special counsel's office is incredibly reckless and self-defeating. now, in the filing today, manafort's lawyers said they disagree. >> he said he wasn't lying. >> he wasn't lying. but the fact that mueller's office blew this agreement up in this way suggests they must have a pretty good reason for thinking he's lying to them. >> john dean, if conventional wisdom is true and the collusion portion of the investigation is nearing an end, why would manafort mess up a federal plea deal? you obviously have some experience with this. does it make sense to you? >> it makes no sense.
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in fact, as alluded earlier, it's stupid. he's not going to get this opportunity again, it already appears he gave a lot of hours, nine meetings where he's obviously provided something they can cooperate, he also has sacrificed not only lessening his sentence potential but they won't give back the $15 million of forfeited property that he already had been forced to give up. so this is just dumb is what it is. >> david, what's interesting about the lies, paul manafort's lies in this case or the lies president trump often will tell is that they are all dependent for success on everybody else being stupid and they're all dependent on the idea that everybody else who hears them is stupid. clearly, the mueller team is not stupid nor are the american people when they hear repeated lies from the president that are easily checked.
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i don't understand the kind of low-level of lying that -- just bad lying. time and time again it's just incredible to me. >> well, it is incredible but i would argue there's perhaps a different way to look at this. and that is paul manafort is not stupid. he may be reckless, but he's not stupid and i would assume that if he's lying, he's doing it because there is something very big he's trying to hide from the prosecutors. very big. we don't know what that is, at least we don't on the outside here. but i would also assume that while his chances of going to jail for a much longer time have definitely gone up is also possible that his chances of getting a pardon have gone up if he's doing something to serve the interest of those around the president and we don't know yet what all this is. i do think jeffrey and john
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could help me with this because they know more about this, but i think there's a chance that in the next brief that mueller files he may have to show more of his hand about why he thinks manafort has been lying so recklessly. and if that's the case, we may have a better understanding of what this is about in the next 24 to 48 hours. >> that's a fascinating idea. do you think it's likely that manafort to protect himself or others from something that hadn't been fleshed out entirely or is something he's hoping to get -- protect the president from that he's hoping to get a pardon about? >> it's hard to tell but it's possible and i think it's worth noting that it is rare for cooperators to go south but it does happen and there are people who come in and say i'll tell you the whole truth and cooperate and then they can't bring themselves to do it. and it's clear that manafort
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spent a lot of time with the government. the government checks everything cooperators say so they're going to be fact-checking him left and right on everything and it's clear to me for the government to blow up this agreement that they found something, that they concretely believe shows he's lying and not willing to come off of it so it could be david is credibility that it has to do with the president or other crimes committed by himself or others, it's impossible to say. but what's interesting is the defense is saying no, he's telling you the truth when it's clear mueller's team is confident he is lying. >> one view of this is that this is good news for donald trump because once he pleaded guilty and cooperated, the goal is to get him to tell the truth and become a witness against other people. now he's useless as a witness because he's lied so much. an alternative view is that the mueller office has so much on everyone that they can tell whether someone is lying but the
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fact is when you give someone a cooperation agreement, you're hoping they cooperate and they become a useful witness. manafort is now a useless witness. that's not good for mueller. >> john? with the plea deal being breached is manafort obligated to testify against anyone else? is any cooperation moot? >> he has breached the agreement according to the prosecutors so it's no longer a viable agreement and i suspect this is a setback for the prosecutors who are moving along and there's obviously some bit of evidence or multiple amounts of evidence they knew he was not coming forth on that they have and still need so this is not helpful to the furthering of this investigation, either. >> john dean. what do you think about the theory that david gergen advanced that it's hoping to get a pardon down the road if it's
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protecting the president? >> that's very potential. i think he waited for that up until the time he flipped and he obviously has ability to communicate probably through his wife and others to send signals that he was going to go to the line and would only go so far. the prosecutors would probably monitor him closely so we don't know how this will go. david mentioned that we'll learn more. we are. in the sentencing document that will be filed very shortly. >> so would it be appropriate for manafort's attorneys or people connected to manafort to have connections with people on the trump legal team or people connected to the president to try to pass along information or pass along some sort of message? >> i mean, it's possible. what's more likely is that
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people from the trump team may have tried to communicate with paul manafort's lawyers or send messages to manafort. this is hard to know at this point. i take view that manafort had to plead guilty. he'd gone through a long -- what was unquestionably a have you been r ve-- a very expensive ca. this was a tougher case and more problematic case for the president and administration. he was going to plead guilty, what he was looking for was a break in sentencing. i tend to agree now that now the only way to get the break is a pardon or commutation of his sentence. >> what are the options for mueller's team on this? >> it looks like they are going to throw the book at mueller. mooufrl is going to throw the book at manafort. they are going to say this guy lied to us, he committed crimes,
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we are giving him no break, he should be sentenced to the full extent of his multiple convictions and guilty pleas. that is their play with mueller -- with manafort. i think they don't have a lot of options in terms of using manafort against other people. >> because he's unreliable? >> because he's unreliable. they could in a further proceeding down the line even if manafort didn't want to cooperate they could give him immunity since he will have been sentenced to force him to testify but since they have said he is not reliable it's hard to imagine -- so maybe i'm off base by saying he's frigging stupid. is it smart of him? >> no, he'll get a long sentence. >> he's playing for a pardon? >> well, obviously a pardon is the best result he could get. >> he was going to get a lon sentence anyway, wasn't sfle.
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>> no, the whole point of cooperating is to get a lower sentence. now he's even more in need of a pardon because he's obviously not going to get a low sentence. >> david gergen, what would you see as the president's -- if you're the president, is tonight a good night? david gergen? >> yes, i think that if you're the president tonight is a good night in the sense that jeffrey and jonathan are talking about and that is that manafort -- mueller was likely counting on manafort as being the star witness and now he doesn't have th that. >> it's possible will stretch out the time. mueller may have to double check. he may have to get to a whole new path for bringing whatever case he's going to bring forward and this may extend the time. now we have whitaker at the justice department. who the hell knows what will happen in the next few days of
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weeks? it's one more reason why the mueller investigation ought to be protected by congress because this has become so unzblern this is like a three dimensional future game of chess. is this 134g you think paul manafort would have planned out long ago? >> it doesn't seem the way it fell that she planned it out. he has ten more counts that there was a hung jury on that could be brought by the prosecutor, mueller, against him so they could take him back into the courtroom again and give him some more trial time which would cost him money and make us even more painful for it so they have some options there. >> and why do you think manafort's attorneys would be arguing no, no, no, he hasn't gone back on his word at all? >> well, they want the benefit
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of getting the cooperation agreement which is a -- it's a -- manafort has been in by public reporting nine or ten times, he's provided a lot of information. they want him to get benefit when it comes to sentencing and i think they rightly know the judge won't give them the benefit and the government gets to decide whether or not manafort has provided substantial assistance and the government saying he's a liar is compelling and will carry the day with the judge but his lawyers want to push back and say look, he has been cooperating. the only other thing i'd say about manafort as we think about what mueller's team is doing and thinking is that mooufueller's has known what he's been thinking and doing. so i would argue they've had a
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deep skepticism of him and were checking him carefully because of that skepticism. though i agree it's a loss to not have someone like manafort testify if you're looking at the president and wrongdoing by the president, manafort would be someone close enough to have had that information. >> jeff, though, just because of a witness lies about one thing does that mean they lie about everything? >> no. and there is often back and forth with prosecutors and cooperating witnesses. it's often the case that cooperateors donwhen they conti and prosecutors have to decide whether it merits tearing up the agreeme agreement. >> if i can offer one way to disagree with myself that this is good news for donald trump, i think it's good news that manafort is not becoming a star witne
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witness. if i were trump i would be unnerved that mueller's office knows enough about the facts of this case to say you're lying. how do they know that? who told them? what documents do they have? what tapes do they have. >> that's a really good point. >> and, david, it's important to point out we don't know what the subject is that he is allegedly lying about. >> it's very important that we be cautious about this. it could be purely his own misdeeds and his own financial misdeeds, fraud or money laundering or the like which is what he was charged with or he could be about some aspect of the mueller case that we don't know about. or he's trying to protect someone at the center of this government and that may not be the president. it could be one of his -- it could be a child, it could be a number of things. i think we ought to be cautious but this is a bombshell. >> it certainly is remarkable. david gergen, counselors dean,
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millgram and toobin, thank you very much. breaking news from the border. after a week end that saw migrants rush the border and border patrol fire tear gas into into mexico, including into the areas where women and children were, we'll have a live report from there. and what we and the voters of mississippi are learning about cindy hyde-smith as the runoff approaches. allegations of racially tinged remarks and what could be other complications in what is already a racially charged campaign. they work togetherf doing important stuff. the hitch? like you, your cells get hungry. feed them... with centrum micronutrients. restoring your awesome, daily. centrum. feed your cells. after bill's back needed a vacation from his vacation. so he stepped on the dr. scholl's kiosk. it recommends our best custom fit orthotic to relieve foot, knee, or lower back pain so you can move more. dr. scholl's. born to move.
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did the exact same thing. in fact, it did not. family separation was a rare exception, not the rule. in any case, there is breaking news tonight. mexico's foreign ministry sent a diplomatic note to the u.s. embassy asking for an investigation of the tear gassing. more from leyla santiago who joins us from tijuana. what have you learned about what went on? >> a lot of folks are trying to make sense of what happened. we are at a makeshift shelter, a sort of athletic facility turned shelter where many are in tents waiting to see where they make their next move. there are about 5,000 people, the majority men and when we arrived this morning we saw buses still arriving, central american migrants making their way here to tijuana, despite the clash at the border over the
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weeke weekend. trying to escape the tear gas, protect her children, she forgot her phone was still recording. capturing her struggle to breathe and the screams from her daughter's fear, a day later jessica, who asked us not to use her last name, knows these images will haunt her forever. she said she was holding her child pretty much like her child had fainted from the gas. she said those tears are for her child. >> her seven-year-old daughter struggles to talk about what happened at the border. hundreds of migrants, men, women, children, marched in unity from this makeshift shelter to the border sunday. many told us they were caught off guard when tear gas was released by customs and border
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protection on the u.s. side of the fence. according ing ting to cbp, the were the first to throw things, hitting four agents in the u.s. with rocks and that's why they responded with tear gas, something the migrants deny. >> i cannot agree on the use of for force. not even that type of force, tear gas or rubber bullets, i cannot agree on those actions. >> reporter: mexico says it won't tolerate disorderly conduct. mexican immigration officials took 100 people into custody and plans to deport them. the clash is making some reconsider plans. she says she's thinking about staying in mexico but she can't go back to honduras because she says if she goes back to honduras, they'll kill her. that's the threat she faces. just outside the sports center
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turned shelter we watched as 20 hondurans boarded this bus for voluntary deportation but this is a small portion of the group. city officials say more than 5,000 are being housed at this shelter and after the clash at the border, the federal police in mexico have made their presence known as u.s. military helicopters constantly fly over what has become the latest home of the caravan. >> what's next in the legal process, how long before people have an opportunity to apply for asylum if they have that opportunity? >> of those who plan to seek asyl asylum, you're looking at weeks, anders anderson. before this caravan arrived there were 1600 migrants on this sort of unofficial waiting list just to get into the port of san
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ysidro. officials say the capacity is 300 so take a capacity of 300, 1600 already waiting for their chance to go to the port and say i want to seek sloasylum. add this, 5,000 and you're looking at weeks, possibly months before they iter the words. >> leyla santiago, thank you very much. joining us is former trump campaign adviser steve cortez and leon rodriguez. was that an appropriate response? >> i wouldn't judge that. that's a law enforcement call that customs and border protection had to make. there was already going to be an investigation before the mexican government requested it this evening. but you know i'd like to keep us away from the rights and wrongs of that law enforcement decision
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and talk about why we're here which i think is evidence of the failed policies of enforcement only as the way to address what is really a humanitarian crisis. >> is that weight of weeks or months a normal amount of time? obviously they made the asylum process more difficult. >> certainly the way it's been working in past years is that you would actually be able to state your claim for asylum very quick quickly at times where you were apprehended between ports of entry or you went to a border station and in fact made your claim of asylum. now you're exposed to waiting much, much more than would have been the case even frankly weeks ago. >> steve, is that -- i know you've been critical on some of
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the immigration policies of this administration, obviously supportive of others. clearly in making it more -- i think it's fair to say they're trying to make it as difficult as possible to seek asylum. is that appropriate? >> i think it is appropriate and anderson the reason i say that, this isn't about asylum. let's be honest. the distance from honduras to san diego is almost 3,000 miles. that's like crossing the entire united states. they are crossing the gigantic country of mexico which offered them asylum which, in fact, offered asylum plus jobs and they said no so what does that tell us? this isn't because they're fleeing for their lives and want safety or they wouldn't go all the way across mexico. it tells us they're economic migrants who want to come to the united states. i don't begrudge them wanting to come here. i would want to come here, too. but it's not about asylum and in terms of becoming legal immigrants to the united states they need to get in line and do it by the process by which the united states very rightfully demands of all immigrants and
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enter this country the way my father did, the way so many millions of our fathers and grandfathers and grandmothers did and that is reasonable and right for this country, we can't let people game the system by cli claiming asylum. >> the administration has been doing everything it can to eliminate the line, to have there be no line for people coming from a country with the highest homicide rate on the planet, with completely broken institutions of public safety and what they have been on a campaign of doing is eliminating every possibility for those people to get in line and seek legal relief in the united state states. >> steve, if somebody is the victim of domestic violence or in fear of gangs, should they be able to apply for asylum in the
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united states? traditionally they would be able to be considered. >> i think many people are gaming the system so we should be highly skeptical however the united states has always been a refuge for the persecuted. >> but if those things are no longer -- this administration considered things worthy of asylum, no? >> coming from a crumby place isn't reason for asylum. if you are being persecuted because of some classification, your race, religious beliefs, gender. if you're truly being persecuted because of those issues, those are legitimate reasons for asylum in the united states and we have a process to apply for that. the process doesn't include a thousand people waving a foreign flag and firing projectiles, throwing rocks at our customs and border protection agents. the majority of whom, by the way, are hispanic. that is not the process trying
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to break and enter into our country. it's getting in line as legal immigrants have to do. that's reasonable of this country to do. a porous open border isn't just bad for us, it's also bad for these would be migrants because they're often sold a false bill of goods that they will get into the united states and what they encounter is a lot of human misery. >> according to the administration, if you're suffering from domestic violence or worried about your child being taken into a gang or your kid has been threatened by a gang, that's no longer reason to get asylum? >> yeah, it's long been the case that if you were victimized in a way -- by private violence in a way that was recognized under
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the refugee and asylum laws, for decades that has been recognized as a claim for asylum. what we're doing is taking a humanitarian crisis that has clear law enforcement ramifications. we can't deny the ramifications and instead treating it as a national security issue that has no humanitarian dimension. what we saw yesterday. there's no justification for violence or rock throwing or charging the border but what we saw yesterday is the predictable consequence of a policy that is giving people no possibility of relief from what is an intolerable situation. >> leon rodriguez, steve cortez, appreciate you being with us. coming up next, the president's promises about keeping jobs in ohio, today's news about big general motors job cuts in ohio and elsewhere
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presidents live and die politically by the state of economy. the news today is that general motors is closing five plants, including four in this country. 14,000 jobs will be affected either by cuts or reassignments, many in ohio where a big assembly line in the town of lordstown is shutting down and as a candidate and later in office president trump has had a
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lot to say about the politically pivotal state. >> your jobs are coming back, believe me. your jobs are coming back. ohio sees it better than anybody because you see car companies back, car companies expanding. remember, they are all leaving now they're all coming back, folks. what we've done in less than two years no president or administration in its first two years has done anywhere near what this administration has done. and they know it. >> the president reacted by saying he was unhappy with the gm news but he expects the company to bring new business into ohio in the near future. what's strange is a few hours later at a rally in mississippi he made news by saying this. >> the previous administration, they said manufacturing is never coming back, it's gone. you need a magic and with. well, we found the magic and
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with and that's actually -- that's actually going to be increasing by a lot in the next short while because we have a lot of companies moving in. >> interesting thing to say about 14,000 people learn their jobs are in jeopardy. i want to talk with ohio governor, former presidential candidate john kasich. governor, do you believe the president has found the magic and with? do the people of ohio believe he has? >> i don't think so, anderson. look, the problem we have in lordstown with general motors is there's now a car there that has very thin profit margins. people aren't driving these small cars. but when you add to that the question of tariffs, it means those profit margins are even shrinking even more and more so what we've seen in lordstown is a car that's not selling and there's no magic way to bring it back. what i hope will happen is that we can work with the people at general motors to see if there is another car we can put in there. we went through this with
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chrysler and we had long negotiations in toledo and things were better as a result of it. more employees. there was a gm plant that shut in dayton and our folks went to china and they brought a company, i think it's about 2400 workers there now with salaries that were greater than what they were doing in the old auto plant. so there's two ways to look at this. let's knock off the tariffs, they're not serving anybody's interest because they make the cost of the cars higher and companies have to either eat them or they pass the cost on to consumers who can't afford, people who are buying that car, to have higher prices on it. if that doesn't work. if we can't get a better car in there that can get better profit margins then we have to think about condition k an we repurpo plant. but it's a sad story. you have to work with companies and this was a case in my opinion where they looked at it and the numbers didn't add up.
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it wasn't just in ohio but it's been around the country. >> the president today said he told the ceo of gm that she better reopened plans in the u.s. soon. is that how these things work? by presidential fiat? >> i think the president challenged harley-davidson and got into it and was arguing and yelling at them and they're now building plants overseas. and then there was the famous case of going to indianapolis trying to save that company and we find out that the promise there is were not made. you don't get this done by just sort of bluster, this is hard work. i think the president probably knows that but you have to be careful with your rhetoric. one thing you don't want to do with people in that part of ohio or any part of the country is to make a promise you can't keep. false hope leads to big problems. it leads to damaged dreams. don't false hope. that doesn't mean we don't have hope. maybe there can be something that can be worked out with gm. maybe we can repurpose the plant. we will be in the process of
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helping employees look for other work but as i talked to the youngtown vindicator today, i said i won't promise you false things. i can't promise that this thing is all going to work out but we'll do our level best. >> i'm not going to ask if you're running for president trump in the primary -- >> you just asked me. you just asked me. >> no, i'm not. but in a general sense, do you know or do you think it's known at this point how a republican would run against president trump. each one was eliminated by him. what's been learned. >> we have to think about
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policies and tone. 60% of the public wants a change. some people would say his approval is low. i look at it another way. i said there's a vast majority of americans who said enough of this. >> a gallup poll. >> so you have to see what happens. what happens with his fortunes? how does he do. the democrats, we're not sure what they'll. do they'll have more people on the stage. if they pick somebody like an elizabeth warren on the far left and you have donald trump on the far right you have a vast ocean of people.
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people say a third party doesn't work, well, we had a machine land on mars today. i'm a republican. i want to help my country, i want to have a good message to help my country. maybe it's running for office, maybe not. but i'm looking at this. i had long conversations with some folks today. i talked to my family, my friends, what can john kasich do to help? and that's what we explore. >> governor kasich, appreciate talking to you as always. >> thank you. as you saw, president trump is campaigning in mississippi. we'll update you on the latest racially charged symbols found on the grounds of the state capitol there, nooses hanging from trees. we'll talk about that and what it says about the climate for tomorrow's election.
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on the eve of tomorrow's senate runoff election in mississippi, authorities discovered two nooses from the branch of a tree and added to the racially-charged nature. martin savidge is in mississippi tonight with more. >> we are here tonight to support a truly incredible leader. she's great on tax cuts, tough on the border. she loves our military. she loves our vets. and she always supports our tremendous judicial nominees. >> reporter: help from president trump couldn't come soon enough for cindy hide smith.
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she supported at least two efforts to elevate mississippi's confederate history. we found she once co-sponsored a resolution that appeared to glorify the confederate cause. according to "the washington post," she backed a resolution in 2001 to rename a mississippi highway after the president of the con fed arefederacy. this showed her posing in a confederate hat and holding a rifle. during her campaign, she remarked she would attend a public hanging if invited by a supporter. seemingly endorsed voter suppression in what she called liberal college offered a partiy for the public hanging remark. >> for anyone offended, i apologize. but i also recognize that this comment was twisted and it was
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turned into a weapon to be used against me. >> reporter: it hasn't gone over well in a state that has a history of both, especially when her democratic opponent is african-american. >> someone told me that was a gift that keeps on giving. i heard in washington they are calling her the hanging senator. >> reporter: her opponent is using all of this to his advantage sf advantage. >> we're better than that. i owe mississippi more than i can say. >> reporter: companies have requested refunds for the contributions to her campaign. a move he suggests says she's bad for business. >> so embarrassing, she would be a disaster for mississippi. >> reporter: if he wins, he would become mississippi's first african-american senator since the end of the civil war. >> i'm african-american. i'm proud of it. >> reporter: she is hopeful a visit from president donald trump is a welcomed distraction as she struggles to put a series of racially charged
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controversies behind her. >> she's a tremendous woman. she's a shame she has to go through this. >> what's the polling showing ahead of tomorrow's runoff? >> reporter: there hasn't been a lot of polling. that's one of the surprising things. usually people are accustom to hearing polls almost every other day. in this particular runoff, there haven't been that many because it's considered to be very unusual and then on top of that, there's no baseline when you have a special election like this for pollsters to go back against. then they had that incredible all stop which was called thanksgiving. that hardly ever happens where both campaigns literally shut down and then have to start up again. by the way, mike espy is attending a get out the vote gospel explosion tonight. very different from the way that cindy is spending her last night on the campaign trail. she's putting her faith in a president. tomorrow it's going to all come
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down to turning out the vote. both sides say they need everyone at the polls. anderson? >> martin savidgsavidge, thanks much. remember when we went to the gospel explosion? >> we never did. i would be happy to. >> get out. a little change of pace. we have been studying your show. you are right to seize on what happened with manafort. it's important. we will talk about why with a couple of seasoned lawyers, somebody who did this type of work on the government side and former white house counsel to president trump in terms of what this could mean and then et extending this to what we are learning about one of roger stone's friends and what is being assumed by mueller's reports. the big guest is the head of customs border patrol. the largest law enforcement
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agency in the country. there's one person in charge, the best idea of what's happening on the border. we will test him. >> look forward to that. thanks very much. eight minutes from now. ahead, the white house trying to bury a climate report as the president shows he doesn't really know the difference between global climate change and looking out the window. th after walking six miles at an amusement park, bill's back needed a vacation from his vacation. so he stepped on the dr. scholl's kiosk. it recommends our best custom fit orthotic
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americans and cost the u.s. economy hundreds of billions of dollars. pretty serious. you may have missed it because even though the report was supposed to come out in december, the trump administration released it friday. this past friday, the day after thanksgiving, a day that you may have been spending time with friends and family, taking a break from the news, going shopping. the report is a dire warning about the climate change that's happening right now and what could happen if nothing is done about it. don't worry, the president says he is on it. >> i have seen it. i have read some of it. it's fine. >> it's fine. i read some of it. there's no way to know if the president did read some of it, some of the more than 1,600 pages. it outline s what is not fine. >> i don't believe it. no, no. i don't believe it. here is the other thing. you are going to have to have
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china and japan and all of asia and all of these other countries -- it addresses our country. right now we're at the cleanest we have ever been. it's very important to me. if we're clean but every other place on earth is dirty, that's not so good. i want clean air. i want clean water, very important. >> in the face of a report from 13 agencies within the trump administration, 1,000 people, including 300 leading scientists -- this is just a continuation of the president's policy on climate change -- namely deny it exists and just talk vaguely about clean air and water. he has been doing that for years, from january 2014, i quote, give me clean, beautiful and healthy air. not the same global change bs. i'm tired of hearing this nonsense. this was from december 2015. >> obama is talking about all of
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this with the global warming. a lot of it is a hoax. it's a hoax. it's a money making industry. a lot of it. i want clean air and i want clean water. that's my -- i want clean, clean, clean crystal water. >> clean, crystal water. what happens when someone points out to the president that he is denying science? >> i'm not denying climate change. we are talking about -- >> that's denying it. >> they say we had hurricanes that were worse than what we just had with michael. >> who says that? >> people say. people say that -- >> what about the scientists who say it's worse than ever? >> you have to show me the scientists. they have a very big political agenda. >> one is in his own administration. he doesn't trust scientists. how about his own eyes? a week and a half ago he went to see some of the destruction from
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deadly wildfires in california. >> does it change your opinion on climate change, mr. president? >> no, no. i have a strong opinion. i want great climate. we're going to have that and we're going to have forests that are very safe. >> he wants great climate. unclear what, if anything, the president wants to do about it. i'm not sure he has an understanding of the issues. take these tweets. nbc news just called it the great freeze, coldest weather in years. is our country spending money on the global warming hoax? snowing in texas and louisiana. freezing temperatures. global warming is an expensive hoax. to be generous, those were before he became president. but we do have one from just last week. brutal and extended cold blast could shatter all records. what happened to global warming. it's in his report. the president is honestly
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believing that global warming means it never gets cold anywhere. nasa has a good explanation of the difference between weather and climate on its website. its website for children. we're just suggesting, mr. president, if you don't want to believe science or the 1,600 page report your team tried to slip past the american public on friday, maybe just start with clima climatekids.nasa.gov. it's a pretty easy read. it's fun. there are pictures. we're not going to hold our breath. unlike the climate, some things never actually change. hand it over to chris. >> you forgot uncle john. you forgot trump's uncle john. >> you are right. >> at m.i.t., a scientist. he never spoke to him about global warming though. uncle john was an electrical engineer. >>
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