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♪ well, i remember toddling around on the grass over there in greenwich, kennebunkport, maine, i remember some of it brought back now by pictures from those days. ♪ >> the summer we'd go for like three weeks or two weeks, and i remember driving across the bridge between new hampshire and maine and feeling mother would say roll down the windows, breathe in that salt air, and
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we'd all roll down the windows, and we felt we were breathing in the salt air, but that was kind of a stability for us, and we loved it. so i remember that those early memories very well. we came here every year of my life except one, 1944, and i'm 85, so you can imagine how long that was. my grandfather was from st. louis, and he'd come here every year and just loved it, loved it. he bought this as an unfinished
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point of land about 1896 or 1894 something like that, he and his father built the piece of land sticking out in the ocean here. they built the house in 1902, and this is the house we grew up in that's got extended. one room in this end and one room in that end from where we grew up there. we slept in an outdoor sleeping porch there, my brother and i, up and down bunks, and my mom and dad, that was her mother's wedding present from her father that lived in that house, and now it's my daughter's house. it's a wonderful house, wonderful house. i'll show you one of my favorite little -- come on bee bee, here. get out of there. get out of there. she's a funny little dog.
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i never thought i'd be in love with a little tiny dog, but i am now. this is a horse barn this one over here is now the secret service place, and across from it right in here was another barn and where that house is on the end used to be connected to what we call the big house, and we cut off after one of the big storms, a storm came in and knocked it over in the late '70s, and my aunt who owned the place didn't want to restore it, so we bought it, bought the property and the house, and we took out like six bedrooms off of here. that's a guesthouse out there, governor jeb stays out there. and that's our room where the peaked roof is. and up top of the dormitory with several beds and one of the great rooms in the house, it's just terrific.
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i was named for my grandfather walker, g.h. walker. i was g.h. walker bush. his sons and daughter called him pop, so then i came along, i was little pop, poppy, so i was called poppy all my life. well, family is very important to me. i've been blessed all my life by a close family, grew up with a loving mother and father, three brothers and my sister, and so we were very close, and we stayed that way. whenever somebody's hurting, everybody else hurts. when somebody's rejoicing, everyone else rejoices. i can't think of what it'd be like in life without the strength and the love you get from family.
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whatever i've done in life or been privileged to do, they've been there, taken pride. i've been in boats all my life. you learn the currents. you learn the waters. i just love it. can't do sports i've lived my whole life doing. nobody asks me to be on the team anymore. take you, you, you, and i'm standing, nobody wants me because i can't move very well. this is a metaphor, but i miss
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it. boats i'm still in the game, and now i'm privileged to have a very fast boat, a very powerful boat. everyone wants to go on it. it's a wonderful, wonderful outlet for me. that's my father and i, a great man, a big, tall, strong guy, a wonderful person. he was the managing partner of his banking firm, brown brothers hariman and company. my father was very active in the town government. he was the moderator of the greenwich town meeting which was the equivalent of mayor in those days, and through him we got the idea you ought to do something. you ought to put something back in, you ought to give something back.
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he was a strong fella. he had a great sense of humor. you know, he didn't tuck in when we got hurt, mother hen and all that, but he was there, and i think respect was the keyword that we boys had for him, and everything he did was star quality. i regretted that he never lived to see his son as president. that was too bad. my wonderful mother and my father. mother was a great inspiration. she could do everything. she was the fastest mother in the mother's races. she was the best pitcher on the mother's softball team. she was the best tennis player on her own right. she was a good golfer and a loving mother. she was just everything. everyone loved her.
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again, she set an example all during my life. she had these kind of truisms that served me in good stead even when i got to be president of the united states. she said nobody like a bragdoci a, don't be bragging all the time. listen, don't talk all the time. give the other guy credit. she set a great example for all of us, then if we got hurt she'd be there to lift us up, brush us off, get us back in the game. we were very privileged. during the depression we were very lucky. our family could send us to a good school, and we avoided the horrors of the depression you might say. i enjoyed school, grade school
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and boarding school both. i loved the challenge of school, the friends you make in school. some of the friends i had in grade school are still friends. i was the littlest guy in our class. by little i mean shortest, and then between 12 and 13 years old i sprang up to be a string bean, and i became one of the tallest guys in the class. it was a great experience. some people doubted, they'd say i'm not going to let my kid go away to school that young. they'd forget the family. in my eye, it's not true, and got a lot of discipline. you had to be there. you had to do this, had to do that. i don't think i would call myself a classy student.
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i became a fie beta kappa graduate of yale, but then i took a lot of easy courses, history of art and a few things like that, got good grades, but i wasn't what you'd call a real scholar. sports was my thing in school, and i used to go to watch the games. i'd watch babe ruth. i'd watch lou gehrig. my childhood desire was to have lou gehrig's mitt. if i could just get that mitt. we never met lou gehrig that i remember, but so it was unlikely i would get his mitt. i was captain of the soccer team, captain of the baseball team, and played basketball, so i had three letters. at yale i got a letter in soccer, baseball was my main thing there because i gave up soccer and played fall baseball.
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we had a good baseball team. in college baseball you had to have a good pitcher. we had two pitchers that went to the major leagues, and so that was why we were as good as we were. >> have any crushes? >> girls? probably, but i was kind of -- i wasn't a very forward leaning kind of guy with girls. i was admiring the figures, physiques very early on. a girl named joan killner you had to get in line to have a crush on her. she was very popular, very blond, very beautiful. this was about my 8th grade year. there was a girl named dee dee thurston. i think she had a rich father because she had a yacht in those
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days, which is not a huge thing. and she wore a rubber bathing suit. i'll never forget it. it was just to die for, but i've always liked attractive girls. i was at a holiday dance, and here was this beautiful girl. she was the life of the party and dancing and smiling, and i said who is that? and they said that's barbara pierce from rye. i somehow got up my nerve to ask her to dance, and they started playing a waltz. i can't waltz. so i sat down, and we chatted, and i called her the next day and took her out. her father was a very successful publisher, head of mccall corporation. i don't think the mother liked me very much, but the father did, which is important, and barbara did, which was most important, and so we fell in
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i was at phillips academy andover, my last year there we'd been to chapel, your mandatory chapel service. came out of the chapel, was walking across the campus there when somebody said pearl harbor has been bombed. >> the japanese have attacked pearl harbor, hawaii, by air. the attack also was made on all naval and military activities. >> yesterday december 7th, 1941, a date which will live in infamy. >> i didn't know much about what that really meant, but our country was at war. i mean, it had been building up
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that something might happen, but nothing like this, and i remember the first assembly the next day we were all trooped in, slouched on into the assembly hall there, the whole school, and the headmaster was a tough guy, dr. fies. you will stand at attention, never when they play the star spangled banner, i don't want to see you slouching around, and it made an impression on me. today when i see people, even reporters and people like that out there at the white house slouching when they play the star spangled banner i say too bad dr. fies couldn't get ahold of them. hirohito was the total villain. i remember meeting him years later, and i couldn't believe this little guy, kind of a guy you might see going around with a butterfly net, dainty little
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fella, and he was the e ppitomef all evil. i think everybody participated. very few people tried to avoid the draft. >> we are now in this war, we're all in it all the way, every single man, woman, and child is a partner in the most tremendous undertaking of our american history. >> and like most people in the country, i've wanted to participate. i wanted to go fight for my country, and i decided that i wanted to go into naval aviation, and so i signed up, took the oath of office on my 18th birthday, was sworn in as a seaman second class, and two months later i was in preflight school. a few months later i was commissioned in the navy. my father took me down to
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pennsylvania station in new york, great big guy, put his arm around me. first time i ever saw him shed a tear. dad was there, you know, offering his full support, but i think he was a little shook up. he had been in the field artillery and been to france and under fire, so i guess he knew a little bit what combat was like, maybe a lot, although he never talked about it, nor did we, nor did i when i came back. i didn't know one single person on this train. i was probably the youngest guy on there. i wasn't petrified. i didn't want out. that was all modified by the feeling that i had about our country, about the need to do something to be a part of something huge, and so it was fast track. we had to move fast because they needed pilots pretty bad, so i'd soloed in just a few hours of
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dual. it was kind of terrifying because these instructor were tough guys. i was 18, they were old guys, and there would be this do this, do that, and yelling at you through it. a long tube coming out of your ears, it's one-way communication. they could yell at you, and you couldn't yell back. september 2nd, 1944, i had been flying over the target the day before. we got aircraft fire coming in. i guess i was afraid. i think anytime you're flying in combat you're afraid to some degree. i don't mind admitting it and
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you'd see the santa aircraft fire up there coming at you. you couldn't do anything about it, these great big black clouds of anger. we were told it was going to be rough, and then we get up there, and then we got hit. i felt this huge blast, the whole plane shaking. went forward like this, and the next thing i know we were engulf of mexicoed -- engulfed in smoke, and i could see the wind between the main fuselage and the wing, and that's where the gas tanks were, so i said this is hazardous to my health. i finished the mission, released the bombs, and then decided i could not -- wouldn't stay in the air, couldn't fly. so we made a circle, turned to the right to take the slip stream off the door, which is the escape hatch for the crewmen. i told them to get out. sent the may day message in case
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there was somebody on patrol. jumped out of the plane, pulled the rip cord. gave my head up against the tail of the airplane, which fortunately it didn't take my head off. i looked up, and fortunately the shoot, which had hung up briefly on the tail of the plane apparently floated down to earth, got on the raft, and i started paddling setting the speed record getting the hell out of there because the wind was blowing up toward the island. i wasn't afraid to die. maybe i was scared when all this was taking place. i know i was. i was throwing up in the water, paddling and stuff. i sure didn't want to be taken prisoner. then before long a submarine surfaced nearby. i said, my god, i hope it's one of ours, and sure enough it was a rescue sub, and they came up out of the sea alongside of me. i went down into the submarine, and next thing i know we're under the water.
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one of them did get out apparently according to the japanese reports, but i never know what happened to him. i think about it until this day. could i have done more, could i have landed the plane in the water? i don't think so, but i mean, it's a way to second guess yourself when something terrible like that happens. ted duo clean. while deep cleaning carpets, the added soft brush roll picks up large particles, gives floors a polished look, and fearlessly devours piles. duo clean technology, corded and cord-free.
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>> would you have dropped the bomb if you were president? >> under those circumstances? no question. a lot of revisionism about that, a lot of people wringing their hands did truman do the right thing? in my mind he saved many, many american lives. of course it's such a serious decision that i think history will say he did the right thing. plenty of people never should have taken innocent lives. well, unfortunately war does that, maybe not in that volume, that number, but it was the right thing to do. then as that war ended, it was joyous there in virginia beach. the bells rang. brash a barbara and i went off to church to count our blessings, and all over the country, but
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then ears shifted immediately and i went off to yale, to which i had been accepted before i went into the service, and they just left that open so i could go back. not sure i really did ever ask her to marry me. it was in kennebunkport. she claimed it happened on the wall. we had a wall running along the ocean going into our house on the left side of the driveway, and she maintains it was on that very wall that i asked her to marry, i don't remember it, but it just happened. i mean, we announced our engagement in the fall of '42, i
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guess. the wedding was a traditional church wedding in the presbyterian church, and she was a beautiful bride and a will the of family around, even though it was wartime. we went off on a honeymoon down to sea island, georgia, where it was colder than hell. thought it was going to be a nice warm trip, and it wasn't. that was it, traditional way of doing things in those days. >> i was living with barbara in a little apartment, and we had just come back from the war, and
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we're 13 families living there, and you had to have at least one child to be in that building. one night, this shows you the degree of our security after coming back from the navy, and when i was up on the 3rd floor they yelled hurry on up, mrs. seymour is taking a shower. you can see her naked, well, mrs. seymour was about 75, and we charged up there, and sure enough she was stone naked in there. it doesn't sound too mature for students studying at college and trying to set an example for kids.
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♪ ♪ >> now, when you were deciding what jobs to take after the war, what were you considering? >> making a living, and so it really didn't matter what job. my options weren't particularly great because, you know, i wasn't a business graduate. i wasn't a rhodes scholar, i didn't have anyone particularly to recommend me. i remember getting turned down by proctor & gamble, a great company.
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i reminded them of that a few years later when i was president. i had a wife. i had a child and was offered a job my father had a friend named neil malon. he said i'll tell you what you ought to do, you ought to move down to texas, they go to odessa, texas, which i'd never heard of and we'll put you in a training program for our company. i said you're on. so i went all the way down there. we worked in the oilfields in texas, west texas, permian basin, and then out to california to some of his companies out there. we're talking maybe a month at a time, two months, and it was very good advice, and i learned a lot. it was great training, and then they said we want you to go back to midland. there's a city salesman. i was a lousy salesman for that.
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then i branched off on my own. >> and that was when i made a living, in the offshore drilling business. we were innovators to the degree that we were the first ones to use the laterno design jack up rigs. >> as the construction starts, the giant tanks that will rest on the ocean bottom are assembled at the construction site. these tanks enable the platform to operate on relatively soft
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ocean bottoms. >> can you tell me how you chose the name zapata for your oil company? >> yeah, it was very, very serious thinking, a movie came through town called viva zapata with marlon brandon. we wanted a company that started with an a or a z in the phone book. anyway, how about zapata, so we called it zapata. >> why did you leave your extremely successful business to run for public office? >> well, a challenge. life's full of challenges, and i came down here from west texas, and was working, moved our offshore company here because it's near the gulf, and this is the offshore capital really. i always had really kind of an interest in politics, and in midland i headed up the eisenhower nixon finance thing. there were no republicans in those days, not a republican office holder in west texas, now it's all republican. so i said, well, i'll do it.
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we got interested in that then. then came back here and kind of made the chairman of the state party. said how about your running for harris county precinct chairman. and i'm running a business. well, it won't take that much time. well, i got into it, and i like it had, and we had a big right wing problem in the party, the john birch society was running strong, so we had to take on some of those people. it was a challenge. i like a challenge, and that's why i did it. >> this is barbara and george and me and our daughter robin, beautiful, innocent young girl,
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and one day barbara said, you better come home. dr. wyvelle wants to talk to us about robin, and she had been tired, and her legs were bruised and she said i've got some bad news for you. your daughter has leukemia. i never heard of leukemia in those days. i didn't know what it was. i said what does that mean? well, it means that unfortunately she'll be going to heaven in a few months. and i said there's nothing we can do about it? so i called my uncle who was a doctor at memorial sloan k keterring. he said you don't have any choice. you've got to bring her up here and let us treat her and see if we can't extend her life. we got her into memorial hospital, and back and forth from memorial to midland, texas, and we prayed. i remember going to church out there in midland just praying until i hurt, please save this young girl. that of course didn't work out.
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they did exhaustive treatments for her, and i remember the doctors coming in, i remember the worst part was when they'd stick this needle in to suck the marrow out of her bones, and it hurt her a lot, and so i remember some of those very unpleasant things, and then i remember some happy days when she would smile and be going to what they call remission and be almost like her own self. i remember having her back in midland somebody said to me where's that little girl of yours that was so sick? she's playing right out there in the yard. and so there were some ups and downs of it all, but we knew the track was down. and barbara was magnificent through all of this. she'd be there at her bedside
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holding robin's hand through these tests and going -- we'd go together to take her to new york. i was making a living, i had to keep going. we didn't know how long this would take, and so barb was the one that just did so much for her, with robin, and just to show her that we loved her. finally, it just was too much. they came to me and said, well, we've got one other operation we could do. it's a long shot, and i said no, you've done enough. you've done such a wonderful job on this girl, and you've just given her every bit. there's no point in making her suffer more, and so she went quietly to sleep.
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i could never talk about it for years, but it was -- i still feel it. i mean, it's something i just feel it very strongly, and after the boys, dorothy came, our daughter, and that was as emotional as any because we wanted a girl then. we had a girl, we lost her to leukemia, and then this one came along, and it was just heaven. we were all weeping. i was anyway, not so much barbara, but it was just hard to describe this family emotion. let's put down roots. let's build something. let's do the thing that you do. let's do the thing that changes the shape of everything...
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spending new frontier program. >> i probably didn't really think in my heart of hearts i was going to win, but, you know, portrayed that i did, and i guess i did. but it was an upside race. that was the year of goldwater, and i got many more votes than barry goldwater did running against johnson here, the most any republican had ever got running for the senate, but i was defeated pretty soundly. after i lost the senate, then i ran for the 7th district of congress, the house of representatives. i ran against a very popular democratic district attorney named briscow, and we just -- we
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just outhustled him, and the district, this part of where i was elected, they had never had a republican elected, had a pretty good republican potential for national election particularly, and so, anyway, i ran, went door to door. i got people mobilized, local people, and it was big. it was good. and off i went to the u.s. congress. i was very fortunate that i was put on the ways and means committee. it was a wonderful thing because then your pieers, hey, he's on the ways and means committee, it was a big deal in those days. then i'd work for a bunch of other congressmen trying to fight for an ethics bill when i was a freshman member of congress, and we had a big number of people that were elected the year i was, and so
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we had a big freshman class. the leaders of the party, jerry ford could not overlook. there were a lot of votes there, and they were very pleasant to us, and so we just worked within the we weren't renegades. we weren't bomb throwers. but it was a good experience. i loved the house. the nixon white house wanted me to come in as a special counselor, but i didn't want to do that and i knew that he didn't -- nixon didn't like the guy that was there, his representative at the united nations, a guy named yost. a career guy, a very nice man, but part of what the deal in new york was to representing the president's views and the new york establishment. and so i said to his staff, rather than that, i'd love to do this other.
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and he said, let's see about it. next thing i know, he said that's what we will have you do and i went to the u.n. and i loved it up there. >> mr. president, our secretary of state and i have repeatedly sought to make clear the conviction of the united states that the general assembly should not expel the republic of china. >> and i did represent the administration, i think, in new york pretty well. and at the u.n. pretty well. ♪
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>> it was terrible. the worst time to be president and chairman of the republican national committee. you can imagine. bob strauss, who was then head of the democratic national committee. he called me up, he said, george -- he was a good guy. a friend. still is. still alive. he says your job reminds me of screwing a gorilla. i said you what do do you mean, bob? he said you can't stop until the gorilla wants to. and that is exactly what it was like. i liked nixon and he had been very good to me. and i'm a loyal guy. i didn't want to see him thrown on the ash heap of history. it was difficult because i didn't want to believe that when they said they weren't involved in this stuff, so i stayed with him as long as i could. i had two stacks of mail. why aren't you doing more to support the president? and why are you doing so much to keep us close to that so and so? it got pretty rough. just one thing after another. another shoe dropped.
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i wanted to believe nixon as long as i possibly could and then they had the smoking gun tape that it became clear to everybody that the white house had lied and it was at that point that i wrote him a letter and said, you know, it's best that you resign. >> did you ever get a response from him? >> i don't think so. there was a big cabinet meeting just before he resigned. he kept talking in the meeting. i was at the table because i was chairman of the party and part of my deal there was to be like a member of the cabinet. and it was surreal meeting
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because nixon said now what are we going to do about this trade bill and on and on. everybody is looking at each other like this, what the hell are you talking about? i don't remember the details of it but some interesting revelations from that meeting, cabinet meeting. >> i shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. >> i think what he did in terms of this cover-up and this -- this sin, even the sin itself was not breaking into some democratic headquarters. i mean, that's not the end of the world. but it was bad. the main part was bad was the cover-up and the lie about it. >> in hindsight, what do you think of richard nixon? >> mixed emotions of being -- i can never get over the enormity of the lie and in many areas, he was a good president. he was very good. his vision on foreign affairs was particularly good and so it was disillusioning and heartbreaking, in a sense. ♪ >> what did you see ahead for the republican party? >> well, a bleak future at that moment. but that's why these things come and go and given me perspective
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over the years, i mean, when it seems gloomy and down, you bounce back. >> and what consequences did watergate have for our country? >> not particularly profound when you look at it in terms of history. other countries have had big problems. ethical problems. but watergate itself, none. that i think of. and i think most -- you know, people would agree with that assessment. because life goes on. you can't stay mired in the past. >> my favorite place on the point. these are big macs and very hard to find. the people who made them stopped producing them. so some of these great golfers, you have phil mickelson. they signed them and sent them up here. that's char. atlantic char. caught in the northwest territories by my grandson when
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i was fishing with him. that's a large mouth bass. caught by my barber in alabama. i like the bait casting reels best of all. that's a very good bait casting reel here. a good one. >> you've been fishing all your life. >> all my life, yeah. that was down in florida in the keys, fishing for bonefish. it's really hunting and fishing. you see the tails on the fish and you cast at them. ♪ ♪
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