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that can be considered a gap. >> he said age is a legitimate issue. it's all legitimate issues that will be brought up. great to see you. >> whether they are legitimate or not, they are going to be brought up. >> that way, too. thanks for joining me. john king with inside politics starts right now. >> welcome to inside politics. i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. president trump plans a private visit with the bush family as americans of all walks of life file through the capitol to say farewell to our 41st president. court filings and a big one is due today. the trump adviser michael flynn is a cooperating witness after pleading guilty and robert mueller lays out details. joe biden said he is the most qualified to be the next president. what say you, elizabeth warren?
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>> i think that the vice president has many wonderful qualities and i'm glad to hear that he's out and talking. >> you are looking right now at live pictures in the u.s. capitol rotunda where george herbert walker bush is lying in state. agent who is served on his secret service detail to visit him and pay final respect as the nation pauses to celebrate president bush's life and legacy. last hour, a final visit from a trusted president, the president's service dog, sulley, came from the capitol. much more on the ceremony throughout the hour. we begin with a scheduled court filing expected to shatter a year long silence from michael flynn. the fired former national security adviser who pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about investigation conversations he had in the campaign year with russian embassador.
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he agreed to cooperate. since then, we heard nothing about what he told robert mueller. today could fill in some of those details and show how or if flynn moved mueller's case forward. flynn connects to several areas the special couple is exploring. one is the nonresponse from russia to sanctionless imposed by the obama administration after the 2016 election. the mission to obtain hillary clinton's e-mails is another. the crown prince of abu dhabi and a subsequent meeting to establish a back channel between moscow and president-elect trump. again, he doesn't talk in public and respond to presidential tweets, but when he puts in the court filings, we learn what we are looking for. >> that is when we learn and in most cases it makes news. what we are looking for here is whether or not we get any insight into where this investigation is and where it has been for the last two years.
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most importantly, what michael flynn's cooperation has been like. normally in these situations, the government when they have a cooperating witness or defendant in this case, what they do is file what's called a 5 k letter. that's asking the judge to be lean i don't want in terms of the driver's licensing for michael flynn. that was the incentive for his cooperation in this case. in that letter we may learn details about where michael flynn was most helpful. how impactful was he on this conversation and what information did the special counsel learn because of his cooperation? we may not learn who else is being target and who is under investigation, but those types of things are normally sealed and not something that the department likes to make public. none the less, we will learn something and how cooperative michael flynn has been and if there is this letter and they do
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provide this letter, that means his cooperation has been really extensive and important to this investigation. as in most cases, the judge will likely reduce any jail time that michael flynn is facing. most significant, what we will learn is where michael flynn's information has been most helpful and possibly where this investigation now stands. >> we saw in the michael cohen documents gets you closer to the president. do these documents? if anything new is filed within the hour, come back to share the reporting and insights. kaitlan collins and michael warren, phil mattingly. there is a lot of questions about michael flynn and contacts with the russians. some of the spy novel stuff and we are not sure if it's smoke or something there. one of the key questions is did the president of the united states know that michael flynn
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lied to investigators and what else did he know when he fired jim comey. was there an effort to obstruct here? >> and a big question will be, how will the president respond when whatever the facts are are laid out. he has been agitated. he was tweeting his concerns about robert mueller, he's not the man we think he is and all of this. he is clearly upset. it seems like he is upset about something. how will he react if anything implicates him or other people that are close to him. >> upset because remember, he knows more than we do and sees what's happening with michael cohen and knows there is a manafort filing and the flynn filing is coming and michael isikoff from yahoo. he said they have been telling people they are tying up loose ends and trying to conclude said
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a source that represents key witnesses in the case. there is a sense that this is getting closer to the top of the pyramid. >> we were talking about the end of the mueller probe and they said yeah, maybe the mueller probe is coming to an end, but what are house democrats are going to do with the information they get from this? they don't think this headache is ending. that's effort from the president's twitter feed. he is unnerved by everything that happened, especially the developments with michael cohen. he unleashed all of it yesterday on twitter. that's something he continued to fume about behind the scenes. not just about michael cohen, but it could raise questions because we know that president trump stayed in touch with michael flynn after he left the administration after the president said he lied to the vice president, but didn't mention he lied to the fbi because flynn told people the president relayed a message from him to hang in there. it will be interesting to see if
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that communication continue and what we will learn from this. >> not just flynn's time in the white house and after, but before flynn was in the white house. when he entered this plea deal, he was the first person that mueller was able to grab who had connections to the campaign, the transition, and the white house. this is what i think people have forgotten because of course what mike flynn pleaed to is lying to the fbi. a process crime. that's all that mueller has. it could be all he has. there is a lot of other connections that flynn has that mueller could have been exploiting. we will find out hopefully a little more about whether or not he actually had the goods or not. >> we learned in these cases, mueller gets you on the process question and tries to bring you in and tells you here's what i know. how long of a sentence would you like? let's talk. >> that's the value of this filing on friday. a good rule of thumb is nobody know what is mueller knows.
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the only thing we know is what we hear from defense lawyers or witnesses that have gone in. almost to a person who say man, they really know everything there is to know. the court filings is not speculation or what people think might be happening when they asked to come in, but this is black and white what the special counsel knows. if you want to know the most concrete information that is indisputable, it comes from filings like this. that's what they provide. >> you see from michael cohen, he said business dealings went on at least six months longer than we said. we were lying is what michael cohen said. the president said that's not true. the obama administration imposes sanctions and russia is silent. everybody said wait a minute, why isn't vladimir putin pushing back. was there a deal? we don't know that there was, but that's bob mueller's
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question. was there a deal with the russians? you watch the pieces come together and you mention the president's anger. he said that michael cohen is lying and he's weak because he's talking and said roger stone is brave because he is allegedly part of the wikileaks conspiracy. was he talking to wikileaks or the trump campaign? listen to an official saying the president is trying to put his thumb on the scale. >> he didn't order stone not to testify. he didn't have to do that. he said don't cooperate and effectively you are going to get out of jail free. if you do, i'm going to tell everyone to throw the book at you. the mob does it with violence and he's doing it with pardons and law enforcement apparatus. >> the white house said the president is speaking his mind. you are the chief law enforcement officer and you are supposed to know these things. >> all of this talk about roger stone and what he knows and the
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president is saying that he's got guts because he is not cooperating with the special counsel and said he won't testify against the president, but it wasn't that long ago the president said the same about michael cohen. he talked about flipping and something he believes should be illegal. he said i'm sorry, i don't see michael doing that. he sat with the team for 70 hours. that's what unnerved the president because they were so close and michael cohen did know so much. the president said he is lying and making it up. that is to be determined. >> the special counsel knows they will question michael cohen's credibility. the special counsel said a minimum, but he has e-mails to back it up. that gets the attention of judge napolitano. normally a network where you hear the echoes of the president that this is a witch hunt and there is nothing here. he understands the law and says --
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>> most significant things we learned last thursday when michael cohen pleaded guilty for the second time is not what he told the court and not what bob mueller told the court, but what michael cohen told the fbi when they debriefed him for 70 hours. they must have corroborated it and haven't tipped their hand as to what that is. >> even from places normally allied with the president, compliments that these guys know what they are doing. >> now we are getting black and white information that everybody agrees on. you read the information about the michael cohen plea. there is his signature. everyone is saying we are all in agreement here. i think that the benefit for both sides and the defenders of trump and people who think this is going to be able to have mueller throw the book at him,
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they have been dealing in speculation. >> as we go to break, the flynn filing today and manafort by the end of the week, we are starting to learn more and more from the filings. news you have all been waiting for. you can't wait for this one. the stormy daniels attorney michael avenatti posting announcing he will not run for president in 2020 against trump. the suspense is over. toms... (a) i am for shortening colds when i'm sick. with zicam. zicam is completely different. unlike most other cold medicines... ...zicam is clinically proven to shorten colds. i am a zifan for zicam. oral or nasal. opportunity is everywhere. like here. where nothing stands between you and your best friends. ♪
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welcome back. gina haskell briefing a small group of lawmakers about the murder of jamal khashoggi. haskell meeting with the chairman and ranking members in a secure room. this you might recall after lawmakers rebuke the administration with frustration when haskell was not part of the briefing last week. they may be able to satisfy answers and who was involved and what is on the audio recording
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of the murder. seemingly mocking the lawmakers and the journalist who is said it would be nice to hear that audio. >> the idea that policy makers are going to sit around and listen, that's what we have intelligence analysts for. i'm not, but maybe members of the congress are. i rely on it to listen and give us the best conclusion. >> we will get to the importance in a minute. in the sense that i get that not everybody is supposed to listen to the audio. that's the audio recording of a brutal murder. except if you are the one guy down the hall from the president who has to make a recommendation about what to do. don't you want to say sir, i heard it. it is certain or if there is doubt or whatever, be able to say i heard it and do this? >> he said let the intelligence
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analysts listen to it. then the analysts determined that the saudi crown prince did play a and order the killing of this reporter and that's not enough to convince them it do anything harsher than sanction a few of the saudis who they believe were involved in the murder. i'm not sure what his logdggic . they said mbs ordered it and that has not changed the administration's mind. not mike pompeo who remarks that he doesn't believe there is direct reporting that links the two of them when that is what the cia assessed. that's why we see the anger come from capitol hill and reporters of the president's biggest al allies in washington saying why has the woman who traveled to turkey in the aftermath listened to the audio, why is she not the one briefing the senators. they are only briefing a few and
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not a senate-wide briefing what people wanted. >> they do the small group. last week they lost ground and there was the resolution in yemen. the sponsors say we got votes. they wouldn't send up gina haskell. he was a bit smug when he came out and the sponsors said they helped us. will gina haskell be able to dial back the anger of the administration even if they don't like what he said even though she is showing respect for the process? >> yesterday was a confluence was fact where huh republican who is if you want to upset senators, call into question their prerogative or ignore it. oversight is one of those things. somebody who has oversight with bob corker. you have several senators that they have not communicated what
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happened. there are legal requirements that they report on what's happening. that has been ignored. that's how you lose conservatives. all of this coming together at the same time. that's why they saw the resolution. it has to do with leaks and frustrations. i would argue that the bigger issue is mike pompeo. the morning he went out they had any desire to do that whatsoever. lindsey graham had a clap back. >> that's interesting. it's important because at this moment, the republicans lost the house. january we are going to live in a different world. why would you alienate your
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friends? lindsey graham has been close with the administration, but to your point, he said to counter mike pompeo in the "wall street journal." same op-ed. they should show that congress is not mugging for the cameras. we are a coequal branch of government exercising leadership to safeguard the interest, values and reputation. after all, someone has to do it. it's that after all, someone has to do it in senator graham's view is not standing up for american values and say we don't have to break completely, but here's what you have to do to get out of the doghouse. >> this is one of the areas where republicans have stood up and said this is too far. you aren't just allow saudi arabia to possibly get away with this horrible crime that they may have committed and say we will continue doing business
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with them because they are an important ally. you have to stand up for american values and not oppression and horrific acts. you see republicans pushing back and this is unusual. this doesn't normally happen. >> among the push back is the chairman of the foreign relations committee. lindsey graham is on good terms most days. he views that this is trump being transactional. my relationship is so important, i'm going to give him a pass. how the process is with bob corker and saying america cannot do this. >> you have a crown prince that would appear directed and the dismemberment of a journalist who has children here in the united states. a resident here.
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there has been no response and what happens overtime is leaders like him believe they can get away with killing people around the world who are dissidents and criticizing them. >> things are debatable. it's hard to argue at that point. >> the white house makes this mistake and making the issue about a proxy war between the establishment left in foreign policy what you saw with the saudis or the iranians. that's not what this is about. something we haven't mentioned at this time proxy war going on between the administration and certain people within his national security world and the cia, which they believe with some justification that has become politicized in the obama administration. there are turf wars going on that have nothing to do with the issue at hand and seem to
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subplant the issue with these other side issues for the moment that blind the administration. >> the idea that the secretary of state who used to be the cia director not long ago doesn't take the assessment and it doesn't find it credible at all is saying something about where we are in the administration. it's not just the president in the intelligence committee, but mike pompeo leading and willing to stand up for what they assessed in this. >> because of the audio of one. deciding he likes his job. up next for us, a look at the truce between president trump and his family in the wake of the passing of george herbert walker bush. nd i found out thatm from the big toe of that sexy italian boot! so this holiday season it's ancestrydna per tutti! order your kit now at ancestry.com
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>> live pictures at the u.s. capitol. george h. w. bush lying in state. president trump and the first lady stopped by to pay their respects last night including a salute from one commander in chief to another. he plans a private visit at blair house and in a tweet he called the bush family wonderful and said the elegance and precision of the last two days are remarkable. there is a long history of bad blood, but the 41st president thought it essential the current president be part of the
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farewell, as is tradition. he made it clear president trump was part of the planning. a confident told cnn the trump white house has been in this source's words perfect and beyond gracious in assisting with the logistics. this should not be news, but it is to the degree that there is a rivalry between jeb and donald trump in the primaries. it happened and it's real. they ran against each other and his past comments about w and george h. w. bush. why is it news? the president has been about pitch perfect. >> it has been a relief for the people in the white house who lived through the john mccain funeral when they had so many issues with the president not being invited to whether the flags were at half-staff. the people said it was debilitating to the work environment. now it is different. i think it's because president trump is involved and he's part
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of the pomp and the kcircumstane that is happening. they asked him to send air force one and he did. he canceled the press conference in argentina and invited them to stay at the blair house. that is a welcome relief in the white house that things are going smoothly and as planned. i think your source sums it up how people in the white house see it. they feel the president has been gracious and helpful, which is not a given with this president considering the relationship between him and the bush family, given that the last thing he said about h.w. bush was mocking his thousand points of light, the volunteer foundation he started. i don't think it's a given he acted like this, but white house officials are relieved that it's gone so smoothly. >> a couple of interesting seeds. the communication this past summer. melania trump came to the barbara bush funeral.
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laura bush spent time at the white house and going back to the invitation to see the christmas decorations. the first lady takes the lead in that role. you see efforts from the president and his staff and his wife to make this work. >> president trump has shown even though he certainly can hold a grudge, he can let things go, especially if someone is being gracious to him and maybe being complimentary to him. by having him involved and making sure he is invited and making sure he is welcome, he has been known to kind of be able to change on a dime to go from even in foreign politics, going from calling someone rocket man to saying we are in love with kim jong un. he has shown he can change quickly if you are nice him. >> for the white house, i had a senator pull me aside and say explicitly, don't make this about him. don't make it about the current
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president. make it about george h. w. bush. that's where everyone wanted it to be. it's ending up in that place and you don't need to psycho analyze everything. i think it's a relief to everybody. you can have a couple of days and focus george h. w. bush and what he was able to do not just as president, but throughout his service and after when you talk about points of light. that's something that the country wants and needs at times like this. >> george p bush, jeb's son who worked in the campaign in texas said yes, the bad blood is real, but moments like this are bigger. >> it was tough, but if my grandfather were here, he would say during many campaigns against lloyd ben and other famous democrats and ronald reagan and others said there is a time for politics and a time for governing, but there is also
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a time for reflection. this is a time for reflection and our country to think about the values that make our country great. >> it's the history and the perspective of the bush family. back to 41's long career in washington and politics, w and jep, george p. this family has been immersed in politics forever. president trump understands that there is a time for combat and a time to step back and be americans. everyone is perfect so far. >> we saw this after president bush lost to bill clinton in 1992. they cabecame friends. a lot of this was driven by president bush's own reverence for the institution. you can see that in the note he wrote to president clinton as he was leaving office and president clinton was coming back in. it rubs off. it's a very exclusive club and it must be rubbing off on this current president as well. >> tradition occasionally serves
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topping our political radar, the markets are not happy. the dow plunges more than 500 points over skepticism the administration can hammer out a trade deal with china. president trump sounding optimistic they can get it done before the new 90-day dead line imposed. if it doesn't happen, he said i am a tariff man and countries will pay for the privilege of
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raiding america's wealth. those are the president's words and the market doesn't like it. let the negotiations begin. the former vice president drops a hint about his 2020 plans during a stop for his book tour. he call ed himself the most qualified person to be president. in the next six weeks to two months. the next challenger that asked her about that declaration. >> i thank the vice president has many wonderful qualities and i'm glad to hear he's out and talking. >> your time frame is what? >> i said i would take a hard look after the election and i'm doing that right now. >> by the end of the year? >> no timeline on it. i'm working on it right now. >> we will keep watching. the top republican said there will be no year end government
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shut down. before you believe mitch mcconnell, he believes it's mostly irrelevant at this point. >> it doesn't make big headlines, but we funded 75% of the government for the first time in 20 years. this 25% remaining and in that, it includes this ongoing discussion over voter security. in the end, he and schumer and pelosi have to decide what they are going to do. even though this is a republican government, the democrats are not irrelevant. they are a part of the governing process. >> the he known as the majority leader is president trump. shuck schumer is nancy pelosi work on plans to meet with the president to talk things over. is that is a statement of reality with chuck and nancy or washing his hands in case this
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gets ugly that wasn't me? >> a little bit of both. he decides to weigh in on something which is not always numerous amounts of time. he is blunt and the reality of that statement is the last four or five days and negotiations between the staff and the top members of the appropriations committee fell apart. why there are a number of dynamics from house republicans leaving hour and nancy pelosi trying to take power and why where chuck schumer and the liberal base stands. it will come down to a meeting between nancy and chuck whether they can reach a deal. >> mitch mcconnell wants to know the answer, but he can't trust what will necessarily happen when the president meets with chuck and nancy. up next, a new fight over the future in the face of the party. you always pay your insurance on time.
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family feud in the republican party. republicans will have only 13 women down from 23 in congress. the national republican committee recruited more than 100 women. only one of them got elected. now the woman in charge of that recruiting is leaving the campaign, saying the republican party desperately news more women in the ranks. playing the primaries and play big to support what she calls non-traditional candidates. largely to stay out of fights for the general election or leave it to the nrcc. the chairman said that's her call, her right, but i think that's a mistake. responding on twitter, news flash, i wasn't asking for permission.
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a little gender battle here. internal family feud about a very critical question for the republican party. we have a problem. we are more rural and a lot of white guys. >> you do have to consider that there is 100 women they recruited against other women as well. it's a bad year for republicans in the house race that were bound to happen. i think when she came in, she was the youngest woman in congress and she had that until alexandria ocasio-cortez won since her days in the george w. bush white house. i think she is ambitious and this is clearly a move to say i can be more influential as these party committees in general are less and less important. >> ort democratic side, some younger members have ambition. the women are dominated by men. listen to paul ryan trying to
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thread the needle on this. >> get a lease to going back to doing a great job. we put her in charge of recruiting. >> she said she doesn't want to do that. >> i know. i'm obviously a big fan of elisa. she is one of the most talented members of congress we have. she is a big part of the future. that washed against us like they did against the democrats in 2010. those things happen. don't give up r, and this is different. >> this is something they will have to deal with. how do you respond to the demographics and not having so few women in the year of the woman? yes, a lot of republicans lost, but where are the women candidates and the republican
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leaders that you are going to see in congress? that's something they are going to have to answer to, especially with president trump in the office kind of alienating women. >> it will be a big challenge for liz cheney, the highest ranking republican in the house. we will see how she deals with this including the junior member who wants to play by different rules. remembering george h. w. bush including defending americans with disabilities and how he took a college hammer to the wall of exclusion. opportunity is everywhere.
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with today's signing with the disabilities act, every man, woman, and child with a disability can pass through once closed doors into a bright new era of equality, independence, and freedom. >> that's president george h. w. bush changing the lives of millions of americans in the signing of the americans with disabilities act nearly 30 years ago. it prohibited the discrimination of many with disabilities and it's normal to see wheelchair upon ramps and lifts and service animals. many paid tribute to the former president lying in state. another person whose life has changed, he became the first person in a wheelchair to
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preside over the house of representatives. he joins me now with providence, rhode island. how did it change this country? >> first of all, when i said my sincere condolences to the bush family on the loss of president bush 41, he was extraordinary individual and changed the lives of so many people with disabilities. myself included and it still is one of the most profound legacies and which i am very grateful. >> later in life, the president himself was in a wheelchair. he became a member. what it was that he was a fit man and an athlete. there were democrats in congress and republicans in congress as
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well, including senator dole. what convinced him that i'm going to take the risk and do. >> they do not discriminate on political party or race or income status. disabilities have the ability to unite us and that is exactly what president bush did. he reached across party lines and brought together people from different political back grounds and people in and out of politics and they forged together the civil rights law of our time that made a profound difference in the lives of people with disabilities so that doors once closed are now open to people to realize their full potential. i am the beneficiary of that with the full 10 years before the ada was passed. i had a spinal cord injury and i know what the world was like
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before the ada was passed and opportunities i couldn't pursue. after the ada, the world did change overtime. more doors are open. i had the privilege of meeting him. i had a meeting when president george w. bush signed into the ada amendments act because the courts weakened the ada overtime and they reaffirmed the original promise of the ada. they were there for the signing. i wanted to thank him personally for seeing it enacted and say i may not be serving in congress had that bill not been signed into law. >> we talked on that day when you were presiding over the house. the democrats are taking control of the house in january. i assume you talked to leader pelosi about that.
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when do you get that opportunity? >> the leader and i have spoken about that. certainly one of the highest honors of my time in political office and being able to preside over the u over the u.s. house of representatives and leader pelosi and i spoke about that and for me personally, how honored i was about the prospect. and that happens very early on in the session. i'm looking forward to that. i'm excited about -- go ahead. >> how important is it for them to see a president going about the day to day business with humor and fun. >> people with disabilities have so much to offer and no one should be denied the opportunity to offer their talents and their skills and to realize their
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goals and dreams. unfortunately we haven't fully realized the full promise of the ada. too many people are still denied the opportunity to have access to public housing and transportation and work opportunities. >> congressman, we are at the top of the hour, but i will bring you back on. thank you for watching. >> thank you. >> live from cnn's washington headquarters under way right now. a year of silence over robert mueller's big week as the special koubl reveals how michael flynn cooperated. secrets from a murder. the cia gives intelligence, but will it change anything? a republican wins a house
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