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stay connected while you move with the best wifi experience and two-hour appointment windows. click, call or visit a store today. there was no collusion whatsoever. >> the house is going to have little choice the way this is going other than to start impeachment proceedings. >> the tense, closed door interview with fired fbi director james comey. >> james comey went back on the fact that he was friends with james comey. >> james comey will be leaving end of the year and i will miss
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his service. >> he did three tours in iraq and he couldn't finish one tour with donald trump. good morning. i'm victor blackwell. >> hi, everyone, i'm jessica dean in for kristi paul this morning. deny and distract. that's the president's playbook this weekend as he tries to shrug off the very he'll threat posed to his administration by the russia investigation. >> federal prosecutors accused the president of breaking election finance law by instructing his personal attorney michael cohen to pay hush money to two women who said they had affairs with him. the president very mhemently de he did that. since then he has had tirades against the french union, nato, robert blumenthal. >> and despite attemps that
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john kelly would be leaving monday, the president decided to do it yesterday. the two haven't reportedly spoken in days. so how far would the president go to change the conversation? >> cnn white house correspondent boris sanchez joins us now. boris, it seems the firing was expected but the timing seems suspect. >> yes, especially considering john kelly was supposed to make the announcement he was leaving the white house on monday to his senior staff. the president stepped all over that yesterday when he was answering questions about the russia investigation. as you noted, he was asked directly whether he directed michael cohen to pay hush money to two women who allegedly had affairs with the president, which is campaign violations. i asked the presidnt if he knew paul manafort was having conversations with senior
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officials as recently as may. the president didn't ask the question. he then went on to talk about john kelly. here's what the president actually said regarding the russia investigation. listen to this. it appears we don't have that sound bite, but ultimately what the president said was something we've heard before, that there was no collusion, that he himself actually hadn't read those sentencing documents that were filed against paul manafort and michael cohen. he said that everyone that he talked to told him that it was good news for the president, that essentially it didn't implicate him, though that's not exactly what's in those documents, and it appears the president is hearing interpretations from people that are, at the very least, favorable, and that's why he has such a sunny view of the russia investigation at this point and what it could mean for his administration. as for a successor to john kelly, sources indicated the president may tap mike pence's chief of staff nick ayres.
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he's someone who has gone through the ranks working for republicans like sonny perdue, and the president wants him to fulfill his commitment the next two years. ayres wants to spend time with his family. >> john dean, the former white house counsel for president nixon says, depending on what the mueller report finds, impeachment may be the only option. >> the house is going to have little choice the way this is going other than to start impeachment proceedings. >> joining us is our panel. good morning and welcome back, gentlemen. joey, let's start here with what we just heard from john dean. the president tweeted that these
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filings totally cleared the president. they do not, obviously. we've talked about that. he tweeted quotes from fox news personalities saying they see no impeachment here. how do you feel that there is little choice but to move forward with impeachment proceedings? >> i'm in accord with that, because obviously you have to protect the democracy first. you have to appeal to your base everything is fine, this is all a big hoax, it's a witch hunt, et cetera, don't believe the hype. shouldn't have happened in the first place. it's flawed, everyone is conflicted. that will continue, to be clear. however, on the essential issue of whether or not something needs to be done, i think the house of representatives now in democratic control will certainly seize upon the moment to do something. and that is not pure politics. that's the reality of having a
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constitutional function to check the president and to do what they believe to be the proper and right thing and what could be the proper and right thing pending the report that we get from mueller, of course. but as it stands now, i don't see any way around it. you have the president implicated in crime. you have other instances certainly where you can point to potential collusion. again, we've talked about before the trump tower meeting, why was the meeting taken? the business deal that was going on to create a trump tower in moscow. negotiations stopped in january, i think in june. congress has that role and function to take up an investigation, to take up impeachment proceedings where i think it will be stalled. i don't think there is any possibility, in my view, of a conviction in the senate. just as a reminder, of course, it takes a majority of the house to impeach. the democrats have that. but to convict it takes 67 senators. >> and that will go to the
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republican-controlled senate. that takes me to this question of what will republicans do? there is a fascinating piece by this great professor in princeton and senior analyst juli julian zelazar says, the same intense partisanship within the republican party that has protected president trump until the point could just as easily turn against him. that is the essence of intense partisanship. decisions are not about loyalty to an individual or principle but about power. when a person stands in the way of power, then they become disposable. does that make this any more likely? >> it does make it more likely. we have to remember the republicans always, like any party, have an eye on whether they can retain their power. they just lost their power in the house of representatives and in many parts of state governments and they did so in a bad way, so republicans are anxious about what's coming and
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this week was pretty devastating. it was one piece of information after another that something seriously wrong might have happened, both in the campaign and then once the president was in office. so while at this point republicans are still standing firm, it's not impossible that the scandal takes on its own dynamic, and that once the mueller report is out, if the house conducts hearings, it changes the calculations of republicans in the senate. we just have to see how bad is the information in the report? do we reach a point where republicans eventually reached in 1974 where they concluded this is enough? >> joey, the president's former chief strategist steve bannon told the "washington post" there is a piece out this weekend, that 2019 will be a year of siege warfare and that the president's circle is newly
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optimistic and unsophisticated. more than getting him in the door and ready for the job and up to speed, what else does this white house have to do based on what we know about the counsel's office to prepare for this growing mueller investigation and what's coming from the new democratic house? >> victor, i think there is two ways to answer that. history really tells us a lot, and if you look at what happened with bill clinton, he had an amazing ability to do his job for the american people, and he would constantly come out and he would say, i'm just going to do my job for the american people. i think one component of it, of course, is that the president needs to do his job. he needs to continue along the lines, i guess, of satisfying his base. that is, keeping taxes at bay and having more people, more money in people's pockets and doing everything that he needs to do, deregulation. the same course he's followed. at the same time you have to beef up your legal team to prepare for the reality.
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and that reality, of course, is that the house is going to seize upon all of the information out of the mueller report and any smoking guns, and remember, there doesn't need to be a smoking gun. there is something called circumstantial evidence. and that is that very rarely is there that gun that shows the blood all over, but there is, of course, pieces and pieces and pieces that make a whole. so i think it's incumbent upon this president to be prepared with counsel to deal with that and be prepared with the political component, of course, that's going to come out of the congressional investigation that i believe will end in the impeachment of this president. not the removal, but the impeachment of him. >> julian, let's talk about this big shift happening in the chief of staff's position. john kelly will be out at the end of the year. now, cnn analyst and "new york times" white house correspondent maggie haberman tweeted out that kelly and trump met in the white house residence last night that
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was supposed to be announced by kelly on monday, however, president trump told reporters on the white house lawn today. what do you make of the president doing all this, the kelly movement, going after macron and blumenthal and nato and the eu to change the subject? >> it's plausible given that's what he's done throughout his presidency. the one thing he likes to control is what the news is talking about. that's been a skill of his, his ability to shift the conversation, but in this case i'm not sure it's going to work. again, evidence does have power in politics even though many people are skeptical. and i don't think all his announcements and all his tweets have really changed the basic story, certainly that house democrats are now keeping an eye on as they get ready for january. and let's remember, he is shedding himself of people who he needs to achieve the kind of protection and the kind of
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political response that he'll have to have as this unfolds come january. and he's on his own at this point. so i'm not sure these announcements are doing much, other than adding to the chaos. >> it is certainly a peculiar moment to be in such flux. stay with us. we have a lot to talk about. white house chief of staff john kelly has had a tenure that was at times combative and controversial. he called fredricka wilson an empty barrel after she criticized the president for comments he made aftin the phon call of the widow of a fallen soldier. when he was accused of abuse, john kelly called him a man of honor. he called the democrats lazy. he also got into a political fight with corwin lewandowski
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and recently got into a shouting match with john bolton over a surge of illegal border crossings. >> there is communication with the saudis. according to the president, son-in-law jared kushner offered advice on how to weather the storm. "new york times" reporter mark mazetti broke the story. >> since ckhashoggi's killing, there is advice he's given to the crown prince. he's been advising him to settle some of his problems in the region within the kingdom, avoid mistakes that clearly the killing of khashoggi was more than a mistake, but he sees mbs as someone who is the future,
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and i think an important ally to the united states. >> if this is true, messages between kushner and the crown prince would be a violation of white house protocol, which says that any communications with foreign officials requires a national security staff member to be present. a spokesperson for kushner says he has always followed protocol regarding the relationship with foreign officials. the saudis have continued to offer a number of contradictory accounts of how khashoggi was killed. last month the cia concluded khashoggi's murder was personally ordered by crown prince mohammad bin salman. new details about ex-fbi director's closed hearings on capitol hill, telling one house member of the judiciary committee who he is an admirer of and he's never hugged and kissed him. the life and death of
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we are learning new details this morning about fired fbi director james comey's closed door interview friday with house republicans. >> transcripts released saturday describe that interview as tense. comey told house republicans he does not believe firing robert mueller alone would derail that investigation. senior correspondent lauren jarrett has more. >> reporter: in over six hours of testimony, the former fbi director went over familiar territory about the beginnings of the fbi's investigation in russian influence in the 2016 election, saying he bet his life that robert mueller is handling it the right way, and adding that you would have to fire just
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about everyone in the justice department to derail the investigation at this point. but comey also fact-checked the president on claims he was almost best friends with robert mueller. i've never hugged or kissed the man. i admire the heck out of the man but i don't know his phone number, i've never been to his house or addressed his claims. in his firing last year, the testimony from another senior official at the fbi, former general counsel james baker, described how those at the highest level of the fbi were seriously concerned about comey's firing. and finally, comey was asked to weigh in on bill barr, president trump's pick for the next attorney general, and he said he thinks very highly of him, joking that, quote, i probably just damned him by saying he's a friend of mine. but i respect him and i think he's certainly fit to be attorney general. laura jarrett, cnn, washington. >> laura, thank you. back with me now are joey
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jackson and julian zelizer. thank you both for being here this morning. for more than six hours, lawmakers asked comey about a number of things, including hillary clinton, her e-mails, a lot of other topics that had been covered by congressional testimony for his book and news interviews. comey said the following. take a listen. >> after a full day of questioning, two things are clear to me. one, we could have done this in open setting. and two, when you read the transcript, you will see we're talking again about hillary clinton's e-mails, for heaven's sakes, so i'm not sure we need to do this at all, but i'm trying to respect the institution and to answer questions in a respectful way. >> julian, whaelt's the point o bringing comey back? he's also coming back december 17. >> look, the point for republicans is to try to discredit someone who is at the heart of this story and investigation. they've done it repeatedly. the president in public has tried to discredit comey, which
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is why he is saying the things that he does, and so it's really -- the reasons are really partisan at this juncture. for comey, it still does offer an opportunity to remind people of the truth, from small parts of the story that he's not friends with robert mueller, to bigger parts of the story which he said, that the steele dossier was not the origins of the investigation. so this is really a political process that's playing out over something at the heart of the investigation. >> and, joey, keeping in mind what julian is saying, that this is so partisan at this point, is there more fireworks than anything actually real happening here, or do you think they're getting real necessary information out of these interviews? >> jessica, good morning. i do not believe they're getting any real necessary information. i think, to julian's point, it's completely partisan and it's very unsettling. you know, one thing you do have
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to say about james comey, though, is that he really brings it to the heart of protecting the institutions. how? by reminding the american people, hey, you know, fire who you want, but it's deeper than one person. you would have to fire essentially, you know, everyone. there are a lot of tentacles to this investigation. that's important, by reminding the public, yeah, you can say peter strzok has no a fffinitie to trump but didn't he help draft the memo to congress saying we need to reopen the investigation? i don't think there was any basis to do it behind closed doors. i think we all should have seen it, heard it, been able to evaluate it ourself. there is a difference between reading the transcript and seeing how they relate to one another, et cetera. even when you speak about hillary clinton's e-mails, she's not the president of the united states. she's no longer secretary of state. and so why are we going there?
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we're going there to say, hey, maybe there is a disconnect between the way the fbi handled her, but look at what they're doing to this president. i think at the end of the day, jessica, it's purely political and i think it's the republicans attempting to smack for the very last time comey, perhaps to get him into other inconsistencies as he testifies further, but i think it really was without basis. >> joey, i know you kind of alluded to this, but do you agree with that assessment from comey that you would have to fire everybody in the fbi and the justice department to get that investigation off base? >> to some extent i do, and to the majority extent it perhaps is a bit of an overstatement, but the realities are that investigations take on a life of their own. it's not by one person, and one person, i don't think, can end it. i think there are a number of people committed to it, a number of people involved in it, and it's not going to go away by the unilateral firing of one particular person. >> julian, quickly before we go,
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we heard laura jarrett talking about that quote of comey saying i've never hugged or kissed robert mueller, i don't know his kids' names. historically we're at this point where you have to fight back against rumors and innuendo in a congressional interview. historically is that where we are on these types of things? >> sure. look, we've had many investigations where reporters of the president fire back by spreading all kinds of rumors and accusations that have no basis in fact. what we don't have until now is a president that does so inasseinse ces santly spreading these things on twitter. that's why this becomes more important than ever before in any presidential investigation. >> joey jackson and julian
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eric turump's bedside in trump tower. >> there's something in the closet. >> that's just steel that dad uses to grow his towers just blowing in the wind. look, buddy. nothing in the closet. >> mr. mueller, people say you're the worst thing to ever happen to my dad. >> no, eric, getting elected president was the worst thing that ever happened to your dad. >> we see there "saturday night live" shows robert mueller haunting the trump family, but the president says the latest mueller filing clears him. >> well, joining us now to talk more about what was revealed in the filing, cnn contributor robert schaub. he was the director of government ethics during the obama series.
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good morning, robert. >> good morning. >> i want to take a look at the tweet that you brought up. you said, how many presidents have called their secretaries of state dumb as a rock and lazy as hell? you were referring, of course, to rex tillerson and what the president said about him earlier. we were talking about, you know, just kind of the ethics surrounding this and just kind of the general unrest there in the white house. give us a sense of what you think is going on in that ethics office right now. >> it's certainly troubling language to see coming out of the a president regarding somebody that he nominated to one of the most important positions in government. i think it's a sign of flailing around. i mean, there is always a certain amount of chaos in the trump white house, and it's a mistake to read the tea leaves too closely. but in the wake of the filings from the special counsel and the southern district of new york on friday, i think we've seen a lot of efforts that could be described as potentially trying
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to distract us from the news, including his declaration that the filings exonerate him, which they certainly don't. >> so let's talk about the news, and specifically mueller's filing on manafort saying that he lied about communications with the administration, either in february or may of this year himself or directing someone to speak with the white house on his behalf. administration officials, at least one senior administration official. the legal element aside depending on what they spoke about, but from an ethics perspective, what's your view of someone in the white house having those communications with manafort? >> you know, i think one of the key things that we're seeing here is time after time you're having not only the president lie publicly, but now associates of his are being charged criminally for lying. and one of the fundamental concepts of government ethics is supposed to be that the
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government is accountable to the people, which includes transparency, and that's obviously the opposite of lying. it also begs the question, what are they lying for? we know some of what they're lying about, but if they feel the need to lie, and so many of them so consistently, it raises a concern and really makes the smoke a lot darker as the investigation seems to get closer and closer to the president all the time. >> and, walter, you kind of alluded to this, but you said that the president is not cleared, contrary to what he tweeted which, after those memos came out, he said that clears the president. help us kind of understand why, in your opinion, specifically related to the ethics and the law of this, he's not cleared. >> i think for me the most significant aspect of that is the first time now that we've seen the special prosecutor in the southern district of new york link president trump
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explicitly to the activities of michael cohen. they had previously recounted his claim that he had been working with the president. these new filings state that he had been directed by the president to engage in acts that ultimately led to his prosecution for violating campaign finance law. i think one of the things to keep in mind as well is that the president omitted from his june 2017 personal financial disclosure report, which he filed with my office and which i signed, assuming that the things in it were true. he omitted from that filing the debt that he owed to michael cohen. and the defense had always been, or at least the speculation of the public had been you could never actually prove that he knew of those payments to the women and, therefore, may not have known about his debt. well, this latest filing sets that aside and now we know that he no longer knew but directed
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those payments. it's a felony to admit information intentionally from a financial disclosure report that you file with the government. and i'd like to see more focus on that from the special counsel and from people who are analyzing this situation. >> so suggesting that in addition to the two campaign finance violations that were pretty clear in this filing that there may be more based on not disclosing that earlier. walter shaub, thank you so much for being with us. >> thanks. china's lunar mission is off the ground. a new rover will explore the far side of the moon while looking for evidence of water. a former astronaut joins us next. prilosec otc.bit with one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn.
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china aims to go where no one has gone before, to the far side of the moon. >> so the rocket carrying a lunar lander blasted off saturday to start this 26-day journey. the mission is to put a remotely controlled rover on the surface to do some deep space listening. that's a thing. and to look for evidence of water. i talked to a former astronaut about the mission and what we could learn. >> this is actually a very exciting mission. as you just said, this will be the first time that any nation or entity has tried to put a probe on the far side of the moon. we know a little bit about the far side of the moon. we believe the craters are smaller there and, you know, it's going to be the first time we put a probe there so it's going to do a lot of different measurements. there is certain technical complexities. for example, the chinese had to
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launch a relay satellite back in may so it could relay the motion back to earth. what this spacecraft will do is analyze the structure underground, using ground penetration radar, and it's going to do a little radio astrono astronomy. being shielded from the radio transmissions on the earth, it will do things that aren't normally possible. and it's going to see if it can grow some plants there in the reduced environment of the moon. >> let's talk about nassau. this was supposed to be a landmark year for the u.s. space program. let me take you back to 2005 when nasa then released a plan, in quotes, in 2018, humans will return to the moon. nasa astronauts will again explore the surface of the moon, and this time we're going to stay building out bs posts and paving the way for eventual jr.
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he's to mars and beyond. how far is nasa from doing what they said they were going to do in 2018? >> unfortunately, this is kind of a repeating pattern, so when i was selected as an astronaut back in 1990, that was a very exciting time, too. president bush 41 announced the exploration initiative to send humans to mars by 2019, and a great time to be joining nasa. unfortunately, none of that panned out. what you're seeing is grand ideas. the funding for one reason or another doesn't materialize, there were other problems. right now there is a pivot back to the moon, as you know, under the new administration, which i think is the right thing to do. >> the u.s. spends more on its space program than the russians, the chinese, the japanese, the europeans, far more. but it's the chinese who are going to the far side of the moon. when an astronaut wants to go to the international space station, they have to hitch a ride on a
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russian vessel. is the u.s. still dominating in space? is that disparity in spending reflective of u.s. dominance? >> first of all, you're right. we do spend more on space exploration than any other country. however, put that in context that right now the nasa budget is about at .4 percent of the total u.s. budget and at the peak of the apollo program it was closer to 5%. so the portion of money that nasa receives these days is a far cry from what it used to be. your question about whether china is going to take over, that's a real concern, because they are up and coming. the government, the chinese government, is committed to this long-term program. they're doing ambitious missions to the moon. they're also planning to send rovers to mars, and they've even announced, though not with a date, their intention to land their astronauts on the moon. and so they are definitely planning for the long haul whereas, frankly, our
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government -- and it's not nasa's fault. i would put that on to the white house and the congress. they need to decide what we, as a nation, want to do and if we want to continue to lead in space, which i think we absolutely should. >> all right. we will see what we learn from this robotic probe from china, and what's ahead next for nasa. leroy chiao, good to have you. a winter storm is bearing down on the southeast. more than 600,000 customers are already without power this morning. >> let's go to meteorologist alison chinchar joining us with details. alison, this is a lot for these communities. a lot. >> and some of these towns overachieved in what was expected. look at lubbock, texas, for example. they ended up with over 10 inches yesterday. south carolina already picking up more than a foot and it's still snowing there.
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tenness tennessee, virginia and georgia seeing the amount tick back up. north carolina, virginia, kentucky, georgia is where most of the moisture is. you can see heavy rain to the south, but take a look. say nashville, especially the northern suburbs, you're getting that wintry mix, freezing rain, where snow is more heavily focused on places like virginia as well as north carolina. but here's a tighter look at nashville. the city proper still right now looking at rain. off to the north, you're looking at areas coming down with heavy sleet or very thick rain in some places and that will make areas very slick. places like raleigh, greensboro looking at snow right now, and in some cases it's coming down heavily. charlotte, this all depends where you are. in the northern tier, you're getting that snow. in the downtown area it's kind of a mix. and in the southern area, guys, they're still looking mostly at rain.
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but we do expect changeovers in all three of those cities as we go through the day. >> alison chinchar, thank you so much. army-navy giving everything to the game. >> the tradition, the pageantry. it was an incorrigible desire to win. we'll have that coming up.
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>> correspoy wire is live in philadelphia. coy, it gave something we haven't seen in quite a while. >> yes, navy struggled for quite a while. the army was awesome. in this game, none of the odds matter, throw them all out the window because anything can happen. this one came down to the final minutes. check out the pageantry run, full display. flying american flags, fighter jets flying overhead were the black hawk helicopters. president trump was there initiating the coin toss. army took hold on vet first run. slicing through the defense like a knife in hot butter. 51 yards. hopkins punches it in. late in the fourth, a navy down hoping for a comeback, but he
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shuts it down. recovering it, army holds on strong. a 17-10 win, their third straight win in this series. it's the first time that's happened since the '90s. for fellow cadets, it's a tradition. >> we never want to quit. it's a great team and they played great. >> that one is for them, always. wearing these uniforms, representing the men and women who serve, every time we play, that's who we represent and we're really proud to do it. >> this is my last one. it just all kind of hit me. >> strike a pose, nothing to it. oklahoma's junior quarterback, your 2018 heisman trophy winner, the most coveted trophy in football. baker mayfield won it last year.
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another record set at mercedes-benz stadium in atlanta. 73,000-plus, the largest crowd for a standalone single game of any type in mls history. this is their first title since the braves in '95. the mls cup mvp to the city of atlanta, congratulations. united, you conquered. i haven't met everybody yet so come to the parade on monday. we're going. we're celebrating. >> jessica, coy. coy, jessica. now we've met. >> i can't wait to meet you. we're going to a parade with victor. >> coy buyer wire in philadelph thank you so much. it is the time where we honor the best humility has to
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