♪ this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. today on the show, confidence. britain's conservative party this week said it had confidence in prime minister theresa may. >> while i'm grateful for that support, a significant number of colleagues did cast a vote against me. >> but does anybody have confidence that her brexit deal will pass? we'll ask two of the smartest brits i know.

and anger in america. >> now, how dare you try to make that argument! >> it's reached new heights. what is behind it and what will end it? we talk about "the atlantic" cover story. and the massive mariott hotel hack. if you're worried about loan hackers using your credit cards, it's worse than you think. the "new york times" says the american government believes that china was behind it, and it is all about intelligence, a fascinating spy story from david sanger. but first, here's my take. for steve bannon, the way to create an enduring populist majority is to combine forces on the left and right. that's why he was in italy earlier this year, where parties representing those two sides

joined together in a governing alliance. that's why bannon hopes to wean some of bernie sanders' supporters away from the democratic party. but the next place where we might be watching the rise of a new left-right populism is france. thus far, the yellow vests protests in france have lacked a party structure and leadership, but lists of demands have been circulating. what is striking is that they combine traditional wish lists from the left and right. no wonder then the nearly 90% of the people who backed the major far left and far right parties support the movement compared to only 23% of people in macron's centrist coalition. the yellow vest uprising has also spread to belgium, where the fragile governing coalition has collapsed, largely over the issue of immigration. but there again, the protests have a feel of generalized discontent coming from left and right. just as in france, america and britain, it appears also to be a

rural backlash against urban elites. the fissure between relatively better educated urbanites and less educated rural populations appears to have become the new dividing line in western politics. everywhere, the outsiders feel ignored or looked down on. everywhere they feel deep resentment toward metropolitan elites. it's part class, part culture, but there is a large element of economics to it, as well. the brookings institution has shown that since the financial crisis of 2008, 72% of the gains in employment have accrued to the country's top 53 metropolitan areas. to understand the structural division this causes in america, keep in mind that all u.s. cities together contain 62.7% of the population, but occupy just 3.5% of the country's land. this urban rural chasm is true

across western countries. and it is likely to get worse. research by economist darren asimogo suggests the use of robots does, in fact, reduce employment by about six workers for one machine. further, in the u.s., robots have been largely deployed in the midwest and south, while metro areas usually have rich and growing creative and service industries, rural america is less likely to be home to centers of technology, entertainment, law and finance. people in these areas are often described as being irrational at the ballot box. in america, they vote for a party that promises tax cuts for the rich and benefit cuts for the working class. that is them. the "new york times" thomas edsel points out the 2017 republican tax law essentially subsidizes companies to automate. in europe, they adopt contradictory proposals from the left and right. but all this might simply

reflect a more generalized anxiety, a blind search for someone, somewhere, who promises these people a better future. in his new book, they put the ordinary person at the center, promising him or her a glorious future. but today we seem to need just a handful of brainiacs who will, with computers and robots, chart the course for the future. so in france, in britain, in the united states, the ordinary person who doesn't have a fancy degree, who doesn't attend ted talks, who doesn't have capital or connections, will reasonably wonder, where does that leave me? and to that question, no one has a good answer. for more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started.

♪ let's get right into a discussion about the brexit and mess that europe currently finds itself in. joining me in new york is david milliband, former foreign secretary of the united kingdom, now ceo and president of the international rescue committee. and zani mentenmeadows. what is happening? theresa may is going to survive this vote. you know, and i assume that means for a while. but the brexit deal doesn't seem likely to survive, and then what happens? >> it's chaos. but i think probably the most likely is that she soldiers on, brings her deal to the house of commons. it doesn't get through and then

the clock keeps ticking. and i imagine the most likely scenario is that in the end, and i'm sticking my neck out a bit here, but in the end, i think we will end up with a second referendum in this country, because parliament will be unable to make up its mind. no majority for anything. so eventually, the question of whether to stay in the european union or whether to go out on the deal that she has negotiated will be put back to the people. but that's obviously extremely, extremely divisive in a country that's completely divided. both parties are completely divided, whether you are a brexiter or a remainder. these are the phrases that get bandied around is the defining issue in britain today. >> and, of course, david, your mentor, tony blair, has been long calling for a second referendum. what does this do to british politics? does it sort of up end it completely in a way that it is now arrayed around this sort of

open/closed divide rather than the traditional left/right divide? >> this is a bigger issue. this is a generational decision. i think there is a fundamental question of analysis before we get to what's going to happen. are the problems simply the result of 40 negotiation? theresa may has clearly made some shocking and unforced errors in the way she's gone about these negotiations. premature triggering of article 50 to withdraw britain from the european union. but the truth is, at least to my mind, the problems you're seeing are integral to the whole brexit promise. the brexiteers said you can have frictionalist trade without being at market. they said you could have no border in ireland. >> in other words, the benefits of the european union membership without the cost. >> exactly. and what we're seeing on the irish issue and also more widely, is that the sums don't add up for brexit itself. the brexit that was promised is not available. and that's why british politics is in uncharted waters. that's why britain is in danger

of sailing into a kind of bermuda triangle, whether it's no majority for anything, and we end up crashing out of the european union on the 29th of march. >> but i have to get to politics, because, of course, again, if you have the labor party divided between the pro brexiteers and remainders, there is an argument that what we need is a new party that will gather together the pro european, pro internationalist, pro brexit -- and let me finish, because you know where i'm going. and lots of people say you should lead it. >> yeah. the interesting thing is that the tory party's tragedy has been to be obsessed with europe. labor's tragedy has been to be complacent about europe. a tory party led by a remain voting prime minister, a leave party. labor is a remaining party, actually not very divided, but it's got a skeptic, not to say lever-inclined leader in jeremy

corbin. so it's not that the parties are divided and that's why we're stuck. we've got strategy on the part of both main leaders. and the center party question or the new party question actually doesn't come into this. because the problem is a more fundamental one. and the divisions that zanny has referred to in british society are in part about the -- you refer to as the open/close question, which is sometimes reduced to an immigration question. but i think it's more fundamental than that. since the financial crisis, the industrialized economies have struggled to give a real offer to their middle classes. and that's at the heart of the issue that britain faces today. and i'm afraid europe is the anvil on it. >> zanny, put this in broader perspective for us in the european context. you look at europe now. britain is in this chaos that you've so well described. macron is crippled in france. italy remains on the verge of a -- you know, of a bank

failure, which could then trigger a eurozone exit. germany has a lame duck leader. it does feel as though europe is sort of falling apart. >> yes. i can see why you say that. although i have to say that politics on your side of the atlantic doesn't look so great either. and i think that there are actually big themes which are fueling frustration, anger -- actually, on both sides of the atlantic. and we have discussed them on your program before. large numbers of people feel left behind, feel that, you know -- are worried about their future. are not happy with the status quo. and i think that there are elements of that in the brexit debate. there are elements of that, the protests in france, which are driven by the fury of largely less well off people who feel they are being hammered by the system in france. as you say, italy is having some of the same. so there's -- that's going on.

it's going on across the west, i would say. in the european context, i think there is an added wrinkle, which is that the traditional big tent political parties of the center left and center right, in many european countries, are now no longer what -- people are so frustrated with them and frustrated at the status that they have. so the rise of the afd in germany is the rise of a sort of far right party born of the frustration of people who feel that the center right party no longer stands for what they do. you have something similar going on in italy. in the uk, the creation of new political parties is extremely difficult, because we have this electoral system which really makes it hard to start a new political force. so here the reason -- david is absolutely right. the two main political parties wa won a very high show. but nonetheless, they are risen over brexit, so we have a different manifestation of the same broad themes. and arguably, you have some of

that, actually, in the united states. where you have a completely different republican party today than you did a few years ago. >> all right. next time on the program, david will announce his new party. next on "gps", was beijing behind the hack of some 500 million guests all in an effort to get a leg up on intelligence? that is what is a report in the "new york times" suggests. i will talk to david sanger about why china wanted to know who was checking in and checking out of hotels.

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two weeks ago, the massive marriott hotel conglomerate announced one of its reservation systems had been hacked. the information of some 500 million guests was at risk, the company said. names, passport numbers, arrival and departure information and credit card numbers. but according to a fascinating story in the "new york times," these hackers likely weren't interested in going down to walmart and buying a tv with your credit card. their plot was much more sinister. my next guest, david sanger, has the lead by line of that story and is author of "the perfect weapon." a must-read. david, marriott has made this out in many ways to be a routine criminal operation. >> that's right, fareed. because we're now all so used to hacks. we're all so used to getting

that letter saying we're terribly sorry, we've lost your credit card information. we've lost your health care information. that there is a natural assumption that somebody is, as you say, taking it to walmart. that's actually not what state-on-state espionage is all about. what's going on here is that the hack occurred in 2014. we believe, from all of the forensic evidence we've seen, it was done by chinese intelligence. and it was done around the same time that they were getting into the database of the office of personnel management, the most boring bureaucracy in washington. but the one that held all of the security clearance information about everybody in the united states, 22 million people, who have applied for security clearances. they were also going into the anthem health care insurance system. what do you do with this? you put together a giant database of the most important government executives, industrial, scientists, and

you've got the security clearance data, their health care data, and with marriott, you have where they're traveling, with whom and when. it's really interesting. of all that information stolen from anthem, marriott and the office of personnel management, we've never once seen it being sold on the dark web. what's that tell you? they want to keep it for themselves. >> marriott's response is also -- i mean, explain what's going on here. because there is potentially a huge bill that comes out of this, because marriott has said, for example, if your passport information was compromised, we're going to -- we'll pay for the processing of a new passport. >> with a caveat. the caveat has been, if it's been compromised and we've seen it used in a fraud, we will buy your new passport. new passport in the united states, about $110. so you multiply that out by the 360 million passports stolen, many of which were nonamerican, you get to, as you say, billions and billions of dollars.

>> 30 to $40 billion. >> that's right. >> real money, be even for marriott. >> that's real money. but they haven't said they would pay for a new passport simply because it was stolen. so what's that tell you? there's a mind frame on this issue at marriott that says, this is about fraud and we'll protect you against fraud, the way your credit card company protects you if your credit card number is stolen. but supposing that what this is really about is tracking you, fareed, as you move around the world, doing the show. right? you may say, i don't want the chinese tracking me. i need a new passport so that it's harder for them to track me. and in that case, so far, at least, marriott isn't interested in paying for your passport or that of 360 million other people. >> and what is the u.s. government's response to this? >> the u.s. government's response is, don't worry. with a passport number alone, somebody can't engage in the fraud. so they're sort of taking the same position that marriott is. that's been consistent across

the obama administration and the trump administration. when the chinese went into the office of personnel management, you may remember that president obama did not call out the chinese on this. they also didn't call out the russians when they went into the state department, the white house and the joint chiefs of staff. now, that is changing. we're now seeing more countries deciding to call out the offenders here. but, you know, of all of the different complaints that you've heard the president make about china, tariffs, the huawei case, the arrest of an executive, you have not heard the president stand up and say, we're not going to tolerate intelligence operations against hotels. why not? because we do it too. we go into foreign hotel systems, american intelligence agencies, into foreign airlines, into all kinds of databases, foreign cell phones, to go track terrorists, other suspects. and so the u.s. doesn't really

want a rule that would prohibit this. >> it does seem like, from the chinese point of view, this is a smart asymmetrical, low-cost way to engage in a certain kind of cyber warfare. you know, if you compare it to building another aircraft carrier, america has, what, 11. china has one. and people keep saying the chinese are not centerintereste global role. what they're doing is this, which is much smarter. >> that's right. it's dirt cheap, by comparison to building big military systems. they're building their big military systems, too. it's not as if they have exactly been scrimping on that. but this is far more useful if you're trying to go winnow out those people you're interested in. you compare it with the 22 million people and you're down to 2 million people you're seriously interested in. and maybe 200,000 people in the u.s. government and private

industry who you're fascinated by. and what helps you do this? the big data computing systems that they're investing in a lot and that we are, as well. but you wouldn't know what to do with this data ten years ago. now you can correlate it and cyst sift, figure out who is a spy, executive, who do i have blackmail material on. >> this is fascinating stuff, david. this is the new cold war you've been writing about superbly. we will surely be coming back to you to get the next episode -- the next chapter in this story. thank you. >> great to be with you, fareed. next on "gps," you might remember earlier this year, i talked to the u.n.'s special repertoire on poverty after he issued a scathing report on america's treatment of its poor. he's done it again for another western country. the results are equally grim. find out what country is in his sights now when we come back. hey, jen, which tie says, "trustworthy but also fun"? gold down, oil up. oil down, gold up.

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now for our "what in the world" segment. >> does this house want to deliver brexit? >> all eyes have been on brexit these days. but there is another crisis

brewing in britain. one that might prove even more damaging. eight years ago, the united kingdom instituted an austerity policy, a series of deep cuts to public spending to respond to a large and growing budget deficit. the results were the subject of a report released reasonable by phillip austin, the u.n. special repertoire on extreme poverty. he exhaustively catalogs the toll these policies took and his numbers astound. homelessness shot up 60%. the number of rough sleepers, the people compelled to sleep outdoors has increased between 2010 and 2016 by 134%. and the majority of those in poverty in britain, nearly 60% of them belong to households in which at least one person works, so we're not just talking about the unemployed. not surprisingly, these policies will likely widen inequality. the bottom fifth of earners in

the uk will lose on average one tenth of their incomes by 2022, according to the equality and human rights commission. that's a far larger proportion than higher income earners, some of whom will benefit from changes in tax policy. the pruning to the local authorities has been most visible. facing their own budget cuts, local councils have slashed spending on services by 19% since 2010. in a press conference, austin excoriated the government for these developments. >> it's a totally mechanical economic analysis that ignores the damage that i think is being done to the fabric of british society. >> then there is the related phenomenon, the massive selloff of public land. it's notoriously difficult to calculate how much land, but the political economist, brett christophers, takes a stab at it in a new book. he estimates as much as half of the government's land holdings have now been sold. britain did have budgetary

problems, and the government is entitled to raise money from its assets, but there is always a price. in this case, the loss of parks, school yards and public housing. the future looks grim. theresa may has suggested that austerity will end once brexit is enacted, but the truth is that brexit will likely cost britain economically. austin says the poor stand to lose billions in poverty funds from the eu and 900,000 people could fall into poverty if welfare benefits don't adjust to post brexit inflation. then there's the blow to economic growth that brexit will almost undoubtedly entail since britain will lose preferential access. many are feeling left out and people without education are finding it hard to get good jobs. spending less on those very people is not likely to make britain great again. next on "gps," trump is angry, schumer is angry, america

is angry. and what is behind all of this anger? charles joins me about his "atlantic" cover story. don't forget, if you miss show a show, go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my itunes podcast.

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every road in the world is now an information superhighway. (phone ringing) and the car has become an accessory to the smartphone. ride hailing, car sharing, carpooling... mobility services are proliferating. and there's a new generation who don't seem to want to own cars in the first place. it all means massive disruption to the car industry, cities, businesses and investors. i'm martyn briggs for bank of america merrill lynch. why are we so angry? that is what the cover of the latest issue of "the atlantic" asks provocatively. and it is an important question,

one that people across america have been asking themselves, surely. the intrepid reporter who dug deep into the question was charles duhick. he says, indeed, anger seems to be the dominant emotion in america today and he joins me now. charles, we all have this sense, and partly it's the election of trump, who clearly kind of seemed angry and fed up and enraged in his rallies. but in a sense, the big question is, why does it work? why is it that it taps into something? is it your sense we are, in fact, more angry as a country than we have been? >> absolutely. absolutely. over the last decade in particular. and the important thing to realize, this is something trump took advantage. but he is the symptom and not the cause of what's going on. it's interesting, because in many ways we think of anger as a negative emotion. but a number of years ago in the late 1970s, a researcher at the

massachusetts amherst sent out a survey to ask people to talk about the last time they were angry. a woman said her husband had reasonable purchased a new car and had shown it to his mistress before bringing it home and showing it to her. and she was livid, absolutely furious. but what she found, when she expressed her anger to her husband, they had a productive conversation. they ended up coming up with a resolution, which is he could keep the mistress but he had to put his wife as first priority. and this is what the researcher found, is that anger is actually a very positive emotion. it tends to help resolve rather than exacerbate tensions. when we shout something in anger, it's the densest form of communication available to us. and it tends to force the other person to listen and to help us come up with a solution. so anger isn't a bad thing, it's a good thing. until it's in the hands of someone like trump. >> you talk about a case where debt collection, again, turns out to be a good idea if you have debts. >> that's exactly right.

although it can be used against you. and this is what we're seeing right now, is that this anger -- the good anger, the anger that helps us communicate with each other, can be easily manipulated. so you mentioned there's a researcher named bob sutton at stanford, a wonderful researcher. and at one point he asked a debt collection agency to let him take part in their training. and he actually called up debtors to try to get funds from them. what he found is when they were trained, they would tell them, if someone gets on the phone and owe you money and they're friendly or calm, get them angry. shout at them. get them all riled up. and then as soon as they're in a fit, that's when you say to them, look, i didn't mean to upset you. let's work this out. let's find some resolution. because if i can get you worked up, i know that your instinct is that you want some resolution. you want that good anger to lead to a catharsis, and i can take advantage of that. and that's exactly what's happening right now with, for instance, president trump or political consultants on both

sides of the aisle. when consultants and campaigns try and make us angry, it's no longer today to try and resolve problems. it's because they know this perpetual rage will propel us into the voting booths. it will propel us to donate money. but it won't necessarily make us happier. >> so what does research tell us about how you can end the cycle of uncontrolled anger? >> well, there's a really interesting series of studies that come out of israel. and israel is kind of an interesting place, because they have been living with anger for many years. and the conventional wisdom on how you resolve this was something known as the contact hypothesis, which basically said, if you take people who are angry at each other and you put them in a room together, and you allow them to speak civilly, they'll eventually figure out how to get along. they'll humanize each other. and the researchers in israel said, well, anyone who came up with that theory has never been to jerusalem before, right? there's a lot of evidence it doesn't necessarily work. so what they did is, went to a

suburb of tel aviv and started putting up ads. and these ads didn't say you should be less angry at the palestinians. they instead said you should be more angry. our anger is our strength. they would say things like, without war, we cannot have heroes. so we need more wars to create heroes. without battles, we can't prove that we're moral, so it's good to have battles to prove we're moral. things that were outrageous and extreme. but the citizens of that suburb, they didn't see them as extreme. what they saw them as, was these extremist, distasteful ads. what they found was that after putting up those ads in an advertising campaign for about six weeks, six months later, the most right wing members of that community actually were much more tolerant. it takes a recognition that this anger has become a burden. that it's leading us to a bad place. and if you think about the last two years in particular, if anything, the opposite has occurred.

there's been a celebration of anger. but what we need to recognize is that there is that line in the sand. there is moral outrage that leads to progress. and then there is the desire for retribution and vengeance. that is a downward spiral that hurts nations, hurts communities, hurts people. and if you point that out to folks and say, look, you know that it feels bad to enjoy schadenfreude. you know it feels bad to cheer for someone else's misfortune. listen to that instinct. that's how, as a nation, we return to a place of sanity. where we say embrace the good anger, but turn your back on the rage that's destructive. >> well, i think it's going to be a while before we have somebody in the white house who is going to listen to this. but it's a fascinating set of research you point to. >> thanks so much. next on "gps," are we on the verge of a recession? and if so, how will the united states fare? it is something my next guest is very worried about. he's someone you will want to listen to. ray dahl u, founder of the world's largest hedge fund, in a moment. rizing lotion

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stacked & intact™ the voluatility in stock markets has caused people to wonder, are we on the brink of another recession? many economists believe we are due for one. the u.s. economy growing for 114 months, making this nearly the longest period of expansion in american history. so will the u.s. be able to ride out the next recession? many of the measures that governments can take to weather these recessions are already in place. my next guest sees that as a big problem. especially when you throw into the mix the current political climate in america and around the world. ray dalu is the founder of bridgewater associates and author of "principles for navigating big debt crises." your concern is, we already have a lot of debt. and we are in economic good times. when the times get tougher,

usually what happens is you take on more debt. and you -- the central bank lowers interest rates. but we don't have that much room to maneuver. is that what you're saying? >> that's correct. at the same time as we have populism. we have more conflict internally, and we're having more conflict externally than we used to. the idea of populus is there is a disen franchised population. that wealth gap, which is very similar to the '30s, the top one tenth of 1% of the population's net worth is equal to the bottom 90% combined. that sense of disen franchisement causes populism. populism which we're seeing pervasive around the world is a strong individual to get control of that, and then you have more

nationalism. you have more militarism, you have those types of things. and then you have conflict externally. we have in the form of china a competitor, a rising competitor. and that creates also external tensions on the game of, you know, who is going to be the world power. >> let's talk about that, because i know you focus -- a lot of your thinking about this. what kind of competitor is china for the united states? how should we think about it? >> i think that china economically is about the same size as the united states right now. it's a larger percentage of world trade. it is a rival, a competitor, certainly, in technologies. and because their growth rate is faster than u.s. growth rate, it will be bigger than the united states. and then there are -- so there is competition. competition means conflict. we use the term "war."

my concern is that the war, whether you're talking about a trade war or we're talking about a capital war, or we're talking about a cold war, or a hot war, is an exchange of harms, one to another. in other words, it's a process -- >> we promise to harm them, they promise to harm us. >> yes. that back and forth of i will harm you until you give in and you go back and forth, is to me a dangerous path. >> but it seems to me what you're describing is you're concerned we really are at a kind of fundamental inflexion point, because you're describing a sirk whecircumstance where we lot of debt, may go into recession, means you have to take on more debt. the world might be deglobalizing, supply chains might be delinking. there might be conflict, not just trade conflict, and, of course, we're not in an atmosphere of great cooperation, either domestically or internationally. >> that's right.

we created a conflict gauge. various ways of measuring different conflicts. and the conflict gauge is the highest since the war years. because the internal -- >> since world war ii. >> yeah. because there is more polarity, more conflict internally of a sort -- it's not strikes. it's not demonstrations. it has to do with decision making and the nature of that decision making and the differences in values. those -- that kind of conflict -- >> the polarization. >> the polarization and the nature of things like likelihood of crossing party lines, likelihood of adding bipartisan. and that's not just for the united states. if you look at brazil, if you look in mexico and if you look in many countries right now worldwide, you see that there's more political extremism, less desire -- less compromise, and

that type of conflict. >> and all that translates negatively for the economy. >> it's a negative for the economy, and it's -- you know, innate. i would rather the word "negotiation" be used than the word "war" be used. >> pleasure to have you on. >> thank you for having me. and we will be back.

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the french philosopher said there is more power in rock music, videos and blue jeans than in the entire red army. and he wasn't the only one to see the strength of sartorial symbols. it brings me to my question. what item of clothing have egyptian authorities restricted sales of this week? skinny jeans, scarves, yellow safety vests or leather jackets? stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. my book of the week is "cultural evolution" by ronald engelhart. if you notice people seem to be voting more on the basis of their cultural identity than economic ones, this book explains that deep and powerful trend better than any other i have read. really brilliant work. and now for the last look. as we near the end of 2018, it's easy to reflect on events of the

year and worry that the world is in a state of constant chaos. >> gridlock, poverty, chaos. everything is going wrong. >> well, there is one surprising area where everything isn't going wrong. the global fight against terror. for the third consecutive year in a row, deaths from terrorism have fallen, according to a new report from the institute for economics and peace. the number of deaths from terrorism around the world in 2017 dropped 27% from the prior year to 18,814. to put this in perspective, that number was less than half the number of firearm deaths, including gun suicides, in just the united states that same year. according to the cdc. while isis remained the deadliest group in the world, the group's fatal attacks reached their lowest point in four years. but there is one surprising indicator that does seem to be rising. terror from extreme far right groups that global terrorism index found that between 2013

and 2017, deaths related to far right terrorists increased in north america and western europe. most of the attacks were carried out by, quote, lone actors with far right white nationalists or anti muslim beliefs. this is perhaps a reminder to celebrate those global improvements while continuing to remain vigilant. after all, the report stresses that new threats continue to emerge. of the 169 terrorist groups responsible for a death in 2017, 42 were new groups that had not caused deaths in prior years. the answer to my "gps" challenge is c, yellow safety vests, like the ones worn by france's protesters, have been subjected to sales restrictions in egypt as the government threats over potential copy cat protests leading up to the eighth anniversary of mubarak's overthrow during the arab spring. the bbc reports authorities have quietly instructed safety

equipment dealers to report customers who try to buy the garment and that dealers may only sell to verified companies with police approval. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. hey, i'm brian stelter and it's time for "reliable sources." our weekly look at the story behind the story of how the media really works. how the news gets made and how all of us can help make it better. this hour, the "national enquirer" exposed. it all started with the story in the "wall street journal,". and a question, to interview kellyanne or not to interview kellyanne. and "time" magazine's editor is here. we're going to talk about the impressive person of the year issue coming up. let's start with this. does the public understand just how much trouble the president