ana, be to you. >> the dow dropping yet again to triple digit 116 now, minus 120. all right, we'll stay on top of this. thank you. thank you for joining me "inside politics" starts right now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm phil mattingly. president trump huddled with his cabinet ahead of a face-to-face gathering with lawmakers. a substantive meeting or political stunt? plus, tomorrow marks the first day of the 116th congress making capitol hill noticeably more diverse. and after firm publishing a scathing critique of president trump, a fellow freshman senator asks can't we all just get along. >> there's an acronym for the word "team" and it's something my mom used when we were growing

up. "together everyone achieves more." >>like every little league coach i ever had. president trump is meeting with his cabinet at this hour and we expect to hear from inside the room. we'll bring it as soon as we have it. the other big meeting is an attempt to get past a stalemate over government funding. tch house and senate will join the government for the first sit down. sources say the meeting will include a briefing for department of homeland security officials. democratic leaders are not optimistic saying it appears to be more of a white house stunt a than a serious attempt. president trump said border security and the wall thing and

shutdown is not where nancy pelosi wanted to start her tenure as speaker. let's make a deal?" >> keep talking about it. >> the last time, chuck, you shut it down. >> no, no, no, 20 times. >> i don't want to do what you did. >> 20 times you were called forly shut down the government if i don't get my wall. none of us have said -- you said it. you said it. >> i'll take it. you know what i'll say? yes if we don't get what we want, one way or the other, whether through you, the military, anything you want to call, i will shut down the government. >> fair enough. we disagree. >> kind of feels like six years ago. here's hoping today goes better than that, kaitlan collins joins me from the white house. kaitlan, everyone is waiting to hear what where the white house is on things. what are your expectations on what today's meeting will mean? >> they are realistic.

the problems that existed 12 days rag the problems they have now and they don't believe they'll get anywhere.ago are th have now and they don't believe they'll get anywhere. now the reason this is taking place the situation room which is reserved for national security meetings and not anywhere else in the white house that could accommodate the president and congressional leaders, the white house wants to send a message they believe this is such a grave crisis it is worth keeping the government closed until they can find a more amenable solution with democrats. now the next question moving forward is what does the president want and what is he willing to sign? and what sources are saying is the president isn't willing to sign something that has $1.3 billion allotted for border security. that's happening as democrats are showing signs they are not going to budge, either. that's why they don't think there will be progress in this meeting today. as far as the president's mind-set, you can see he tweeted about the wall saying the newly negotiated deal with mexico and

canada is going to pay for the waltham. hasn't even passed congress and the president said there is construction happening on the wall which is not true. no new construction has happened. aides are squabbling over what the wall will look like with john kelly, whose last day is technically today, saying a concrete wall has long passed and isn't happening. we'll see what happens in this meeting but they are not expecting progress here at the white house. >> at some point something has to give, we just don't know when. catal kaitlan, thank you very much. join me, ileana johnson, carl holzkcatherine lucey with the associate press. congressman hakeem jeffries said if you want to know how entrenched everybody is right now, listen to what a new incoming member of leadership had to say on cnn.

>> what we're unwilling to do is to pay a $5 billion ransom note for a medieval border wall that trump wants to put forward that he initially said as you know, john, that mexico would pay for. mexico hasn't paid for it. the great deal maker has failed. >> it's a message we've heard a lot but medieval, immoral is what nancy pelosi calls it. you're on the hill, you talk to democrats. where is the space for anything or it capitulation or bust? >> there's no sort of area for compromise at this point. i was asking a couple democratic aides what do you expect out of this meeting? and they're like it's not a meeting, it's a briefing. we expect to hear a lot of non-factual information from the stwrairgs so for some members of

the incoming house democratic caucus, even the 1.3 that schumer and pelosi have pitched goes to far. initial the 2013 shutdown over funding for obamacare there was kind of this fore seeing mechanism at the end of the shutdown because it was a debt limit deadline that forced everyone to make a deal. what is that foreseeing mechanism now? >> so you're saying we have to wait until august or september? you're super plugged at the white house. one of the issues we have heard a lot is they don't know what the president wants. he doesn't have a number. what's your sense of things? >> i think that republican leaders, mcconnell and republicans in the house are telling trump -- they told him before the shutdown happened and they're going to have to tell him now that he is going to have

to concede defeat on this. that's not what we'll hear him say publicly but you saw that today when he tweeted to pelosi let's make a deal and said mexico was funding the wall. that's a shift from what we heard him say five or six days ago when he said we need to build the wall. now he's saying portions of the wall have been built: you can see a shift in tone towards what he is going to say when he does fold on this if, in fact, he does which is we have large portions of the wall built. >> there are serious policy issues democrats have but there are politics, too. listen to what incoming republican congressman dan crenshaw had to say. he hits at a point a lot of republicans have been making. >> he made a campaign promise and they want to score points against him by destroying that campaign promise but it's at the expense of our security.

we saw this caravan coming in last night. you know what stopped them? a wall. and that wasn't even a very good wall. our border patrol can't handle that many people. you need a physical barrier in certain areas. >> so while republicans might be unsettled by where things are going, they also think -- they have to get something out of this. what is your sense of the dynamic? >> this is policy based but highly politically charged on both sides and we saw before christmas the president appeared to be heading towards a place holder deal to come back in the new year and faced such intense pushback from his bass, from commentators that he has felt he's had to dig in. and if there was a little more give on both sides it seems like it's an achievable thing to find common ground. some is semantics, some is dollars which you should be able to move.

the white house has come down but for both sides now this is a base issue. democrats know trying to block trump on a signature promise is pop you wlar their voters trump known being seen as backing a way from a wall is critical. >> what's your sense going into the new congress? >> it's appropriate the meeting is in the situation room because it's quite a situation. i think trump has respect for pelosi and i think he wants to deal with her -- they've been back and forth this week, who is a better foreign make a deal with, nancy pelosi or chuck schumer? i think they're making a mistake

in overestimating this idea that pelosi doesn't want this disturbance at the beginning of her rein. this is the thing she wants in a way. it's like this is our chance to start out, one, facing down the president, two, looking like they are the ones who want to govern. i think trump and the president and speaker can come up with an agreement. this is an unusual shutdown. democrats like the government. they're usually in a big hurry. remember how they backed down on their last shutdown they cause bud they're looking at this going why should we give? it's a new kind of democratic party now. >> one thing could play into this is that we've had a holiday lull. the public hasn't tuned in, the museums and parks have been open. now people aren't back to work. it's showtime now. that will put pressure on both sides. >> trump was the only politician in washington during that time and he missed an opportunity to

get in front of the cameras, he could have gone outside the white house and said i'm the only politician in this town. i'm ready to work, nancy pelosi is in hawaii, why aren't these people trying to find a solution with me? he did his normal thing on twitter, he wasn't in front of the cameras and that seems like a missed opportunity for the white house which is being faulted for not spending the past six months selling the american public on the wall. >> i think he'll try to rectify that. >> but he handcuffed himself so badly with the statements you showed earlier. that this was going to be his shutdown and it will continue to be shutdown. >> we'll wait and see. we can talk about this all hour. as we spoke about this, chuck schumer just tweeted president donald trump has dragged us into a trump shutdown week two without offering a flan can pass the house and senate. everything is fine. up next, mitt romney criticizes president trump before he's sworn in as utah's

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>> we had another discussion about affairs throughout the world and these discussions i've had with him have been enlightening and interesting and engaging. i've enjoyed them very, very much. he continues with a message of inclusion and bringing people together and his vision is something which obviously connected with the american people in a very powerful way. >> yes, so there are tapes. that was 2016 mitt romney. and this is now senator to be mitt romney just days before

he's officially sworn in. the 2012 presidential candidate took aim at president trump in a scathing "washington post" op-ed writing, quote, trump's conduct over the past two years, particularly his actions this month, is evidence that the president has not risen to the mantle of the office. with the nation so divided, resentful and angry, presidential leadership and qualities of character is indispensable and it's in this province where the incumbent's shortfall has been most glaring. as expected, the president fired back on twitter saying, quote, here we go with mitt romney. what's so fast, is he a flake? i hope no. i would prefer mid-focus on border security and so many other things where he can be helpful. i won big, he didn't. be a team player and win. >> i want to draw attention to something you tweeted last night which is true for all of us on capitol hill, we have been wondering what kind of posture is senator mccain going to

strike. -- senator mitt romney going to strike. we have a thousand word answer. >> i found it interesting because there's a time-honored tradition for high profile incoming senators to keep their head down once they're sworn in on capitol hill and be focused on their state issue. we remember al franken when he came into congress as well as elizabeth warren they wanted to be minnesota focused, massachusetts focused and romney ran his campaign dissociated from the national issues. he ran a utah-focused campaign and i imagined that while he would weigh in once in a while, that that's the kind of tack he would want to take for the first several months. i was wrong. he clear ly engaged with the national press right away showing he wanted to be this prominent voice in critiquing the president even though he said he didn't want to comment on every utterance or tweet. >> good luck. >> we will certainly be asking him in the senate hallways. but he's definitely going to

have a perch. republican officials have told me that romney is likely going to get a spot on the senate foreign relations committee which would give him an obvious platform to talk about issues of russia, north korea, and challenge the president on those issues and i'll be interested in seeing on which error he is does back away and decide not to engage. that will be the tug -- the seesaw we'll be seeing for some time. >> as you can expect, the president's allies were quickly out with their own thoughts. i want to play sound from david bossy, very close to the white house. this is what he had to say. >> this is a pathetic attempt by mitt romney for relevancy. this is a guy who comes to washington and instead of trying to help this president, instead of trying to help the republican party he wants to attack this president and try to undo and be the center of attention. because he has his own political machine, his own media operation and he's used to the national stage he comes to washington as somebody who looks like to me

the flake/mccain/corker all in one guy and he's going to be guy standing in the breach. >> all in one guy. you expect bossie, but what happened a relative? say the current rnc chair who also happens to have romney in her name who tweeted potus is attacked and obstruct bid the mainstream media and democrat 24/7. for an incoming republican senator to attack donald trump feeds into what the democrats and media want. >> that would be an awkward family reunion. >> it's an interesting point. this becomes the story. this becomes what everybody is talking about and mitt romney is making a point but one of the questions i heard repeatedly last night is what's the broader strategy here? what is he trying to accomplish with this. do you have any sense at all.

>> well, a lot of people were asking when senator mccain passed away, jeff flake retiring, bob corker retiring where there going to be dissenting -- high profile dissenting voices in the republican senate conference? because many republicans wh who we -- who were elected were far more pro-trump. i think mitt romney made clear he will be a high profile dissenting voice with this op-ed. he's 71 years old. maybe he'll spend the rest of his life in the senate but he doesn't have time to lose. he's not 40. he probably won't have another job after this and i think he made it clear he's going to use his time in the senate probably making a splash. and i would take -- i don't think david bossie is wrong except that i would take issue with perhaps not being pathetic but he clearly does want to focus attention around himself and use his new platform and

he's not just a freshman senator. he was formerly the putative leader of the republican party as its presidential nominee. >> i get the feeling we have to -- >> the question becomes what can he do with this? what you've seen over the last two years is it's trump's party and folks who have tried to push back have not had a ton of success. >> i think you're seeing that now with concern about whether trump will be challenged in a 2020 primary. and the next question becomes will there be a challenger to trump? will romney get behind that effort? and perhaps will mitt romney challenge trump? >> i think we'll have to do a column or nine from carl. you will see mitt romney live today on "the lead." he'll sit down with jake tapper today at 4:00 p.m. on cnn. up next, congress gets a ma makeover. the fresh faces and what's on the dems' agenda as they take

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the 116th congress will be sworn in tomorrow and democrats will take over the house. but it isn't the balance of power changing. i wanted to start a top line.

democrats have 135 seats to 199 seats. that's space for nancy pelosi work with on her agenda. in the senate, republicans picked up seats, mitch mcconnell remains majority leader. this is the most interesting, the diversity changes. you have 40 new women, 20 new veterans, 10 hispanic or latino members, 9 new african-american members, three new lgbtq members. you're talking about a place that has become more reflective of america to some degree. one of the key issues you want to go into is who are the new players? you look to leadership and you look at democratic leadership, two stand out. hakeem jeffries, a member a lot of people see. sherry bustos operates with

progressive members. liz cheney, obviously daughter of vice president dick cheney and somebody who has kept a low profile her first couple years in congress will be taking more of a jay jor role on the messaging side of things in the house [ the senate you have joni ernst who carved out more of a name for herself. todd young will be responsible for defending republican seats in 2020 and john thune bumping up to the number two slot. here are members you should keep an eye on. these are four i'm keeping an eye on. ben ray lujan, he was the recruitment guy in the dccc. he considers himself a liaison. keep an eye on him. richie neal, he isn't new. he will be running the very powerful ways and means committee. a lot of people are thinking about what that that means for president trump's taxes lindsey

graham has a new chairmanship. his views diverge sharply with from the president's. we'll have investigative authorit authority. the last is mark meadows. for months the interesting story has been when and if republicans lose majority the house, the freedom caucus is dead and gone because i hate to let you in on this secret but the minority in the house has no power and doesn't matter but if you want to see whether or not mark meadows has power, look at the shutdown we're in. a shutdown that mark meadows urged the president to maintain the fight on. med dose continues to talk to the president, meadows continues to have influence.adows continue president, meadows continues to have influence. he can make changes with his voice. listen to how he reads things.

>> i've had discussions with the president in his team directly. >> have you talked to him since saturday and if you have -- have you had a chance to speak with him since you met with him on saturday? >> i have. >> mr. president, we're going to back you up. if you veto this bill. >> there needs to be someone to support this president and making sure we make america great again. >> >> i think one of the wildest things is the death of the freedom caucus has been greatly exaggerated. >> but their influence will diminish because they are more powerful in the majority when they have the power to stop legislation and stop initiatives from the leadership to -- that they don't support but clearly mark meadows will continue to have that close relationship with trump. he was in the mix for the chief of staff position once upon a time and you can get what trump is thinking to reporters on capitol hill. but house democrats once they get in the majority tomorrow, it

could have a freedom caucus faction of their own. you see a progressive revolt happening over a simple rules package that house democratic leaders release last night and don't want to get too technical. the house can't operate without the rules package and you have alexandra ocasio cortes saysing this will hammer the agenda. >> one of the interesting things is there is a lot of heat and light. elle magazine had 36 new female members of the house reciting the preamble. take a listen. >> we the people --

>> we the people of the united states in order to form a more perfect union. >> establish justice. >> ensure domestic tranquility. >> provide for the common defense. >> promote the general welfare. >> and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. >> do ordain for the united states of america. >> we've got the -- that's a powerful video. you have democrats posing in "vanity fair" at this point in time, the "elle" treatment. i guess my biggest question is freshmen often come in with grand plans and enthusiasm and often recede to the reality -- >> it's hard to have influence as a new member but i think the look of the house democratic side of the room is going to be so different tomorrow with these new women and it will be a sharp contrast to the fewer women in the house republican conference.

>> there has been emphasis on the progressives but there's also a new element of the house caucus that are women that have national security grounding. abbail span burger w-- spanbergr won in a republican district in virginia and you get cred for that. she worked at the cia which became exposed during her campaign and she's representative of a group who is going to offer something of a counter to the push from the left that pelosi faces so the left is getting attention but you have to remember they got their majority by winning in republican and swing districts and you have to take care of that faction of the party. >> people are sleeping on the fact that a lot of these people are coming from trump-won districts and they may not have the best or comparable instagram

but they will have weight. >> and you mentioned sherry bustos who comes from my home state of illinois and she's emblematic of a new movement in the house of women coming up. >> carl, i want to stick with you for one second because this is an important moment. this is our nerd alert segment, which we invented. we were talking about the rules package. democrats have something in that rules package related to the gephardt rule. we won't talk about cut go and pay go but i'd like you to explain that. it could be significant. >> you mean about the debt -- >> yes. >> so the democrats pack in the day figured out a way to get the debt limit increased without having to really take a vote on it and of course that became a big problem when the republicans used that as leverage against the democrats and obama to cut spending, a thing they seem to have forgotten these days so do restore that takes away a weapon

that can be used against democrats to force spending reductions and she mentioned pay go and i hate to even say those words on tv but i think you'll see emphasis around this with the deficit and how you'll handle spending because i think you'll hear from republicans, especially in the house, we need cuts. so the democrats are trying to protect themselves with the gephardt rule named for dick gephardt, the former house majority leader lo these many years ago. >> and that has been your nerd alert. before we go to break, we gave you the murder alert. it was on this day in 1960 that john f. kennedy announced he was running for president. run that old timy newsreel. >> senator john kennedy of massachusetts, democrat, throws his hat in the presidential ring

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kelly's former office. joe biden getting a high-profile vote of confidence from new york governor andrew cuomo. he was asked to weigh in on the 2020 presidential race. he says biden has the "best case of all the names in the mix." he says biden know house to fly the plane. >> you don't hire an airline pilot who has never flown a plane. where is the credibility in your argument? joe biden can say i was there. >> and tomorrow nancy pelosi is set to begin the speaker of the house. nancy pelosi is no rookie. her daughter was blunt describing her style. >> she'll cut your head off and you won't know you're bleed. that's all you need to know about her.

no one ever won betting against nancy pelosi. she's persevered. you have to give her credit. no matter what you think of her you have to give her credit because she -- think about it, think about all those presidents she's endured. she was the bush, the bush, the clintons, she's been through it al all. >> i hope joe biden doesn't think he can really fly a plane. >> nancy pelosi is being tested out of the gate once again. >> i think she likes the test. >> i don't think she has any

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new details on the american citizen detains in russia on espionage allegations. russia says paul whelan has been granted consular access. this comes as secretary of state mike pompeo says the u.s. is pushing for whelan's release. >> we've made clear our expectations that we will learn more about the charges and what it is he's been accused of. if detention is not appropriate, we'll demand his immediate return. >> let's bring in michelle kosinski. there hasn't been a ton of

information right now. >> to have been hear the secretary of state say they hope to an understanding and learn more about what he's been charged with. he was detained on the 28th so it's been five days and we're hearing nothing from the state department. we expect to hear something from them soon but the secretary of state himself there doesn't know much detail. we don't know why the russians aren'ting them this information. we found out that he was accused of an act of espionage from the russians. we also found out from the russians, not from the united states that he was able to have some consular access today so someone from the u.s. side this afternoon was able to meet with paul whelan. he's 48 years old, the director of global security for an automotive supply company. he was in russia for a wedding. he got there on december 22. when he didn't show up for the

wedding, his friends were the ones who reported him missing so only now do we know he's been detained and accused of spying. why is the big question here. we know a little bit about his background, he's been going to russia for a while. he's made multiple trips there, he's a russofile. he's had a russian social media account for a decade. he has contacts in russia and friends he keeps up with and he was also a member of the military. he was in the marines. he was in the military for 14 years and was discharged in 2008 for bad conduct. what we're told by the military is there were several charges related to larceny so the big question is why the russians targeted him, accused him with spying and these details are what not only we but his family and the secretary of state all are trying to figure out right now. >> still so many more questions

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harry reid doesn't have long to live. that's the blunt takeaway from fwlooims. he was diagnosed with pancreatic

canc cancer. in his interview he's as opinionated as ever, particularly about president trump saying trump is an interesting person. he's not immoral but amoral, amoral is when you shoot someone in the heads and it doesn't make a difference. no conscience. he is without question the worst president we've ever had. we've had some bad ones and there's not even a close second to him. he'll lie, he'll cheat, you can't reason with him. i think he's a person who is oblivious to the real world. tell us how you really feel, senator reid. >> i don't think harry reid facing the end of his line will hold back. he's an outspoken person. he and trump had a relationship previous to trump running and they both like boxing and had that in common but reid had no patience for trump. reid also thinks that there was not enough coverage of the

russian meddling before the election and still remains upset about that so harry reid is going to deliver some punches at the end. >> i'm sure trump will be very gracious. >> i'm surprised -- he has a busy schedule today or we would have heard back. >> it also seemed as if he was wistful he couldn't be here himself for the fight. reid was sort of famed for his tactics and maybe would have liked to take this on himself. >> this would be a harry reid moment of bare knuckle brass knuckle let's rock and roll bleed each other out type fighting and he's not here but i think what i was interested in is that he doesn't just seem nostalgic.

>> even though there are democrats who ran against him as democratic leader, he commanded the loyalty from the rest of his caucus. he put them out front, got them what they needed for their own representative political interests. the most interesting part about that piece was how he talked about chuck schumer. is and in the next breath he says i love nancy pelosi, we call all the time and talk about the great days and they do have a lot of shared victories. i think pelosi and reid have a lot to talk about. but because of what's happening with the judiciary and the democrats and chuck schumer

backed away from that decision? 2013 two change the rules. that has been recognized. is. >> is this moment made for harry reid but he's not here? >> i think it is. who is the person who can take on trump? i think it's somebody like harry reid who appealed to the working class and can brawl with trump. you can see fear of joe biden and maybe of sherrod bruin but i think trump may have met his match in harry reid. >> i think you two have had many interactions with him that were rather humorous.

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