good evening. the president of the united states, who is a billionaire, says the 800,000 people who aren't getting paid because of the government shutdown are okay with that. just ask them, he says. he also says he thinks their landlords will be okay with them not paying the rent. those are a couple of takeaways from his press conference on the shutdown. that and some other things he said today deserve a closer look because of what they say about a chief executive who is asking others to make sacrifices for him to go without pay, perhaps, he says for months. he also says this all may be over soon. how long long he is asking people to go without. when presidents traditionally do that, it means they are taking responsibility for the outcome. it's the least they can do. it often goes without saying. to his credit, president trump

took responsibility on camera for the shutdown. >> i am proud to shut down the border security. the people of this country don't want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. i will take the mantle. i will be the one to shut it down. i'm not going to blame you for it. the last time you shut it down, it didn't work. i will take the mantle of shutting down. >> his mantle, his shutdown, his responsibility for the consequences. he said that three weeks ago before the shutdown. turns out, it was easier to say before the fact, before the consequences, before tsa screeners who have been working without pagy began calling in sick today. some in protest, some so they can find other jobs to feed their family or pay their rent. that buck stops with me moment from the president that we showed you, the moment he wanted you to see, that's what it was. he wanted you to see it because he called the cameras into the white house. now, maybe not so much anymore. >> are you still proud to own

the shutdown? >> well, you know, i appreciate the way you say that. i'm very proud of doing what i'm doing. i don't call it a shutdown. i call it doing what you have to do for the benefit and for the safety of our country. you can call it whatever you want. you can call it the schumer or the pelosi or the trump shutdown. doesn't make any difference. just words. >> who is responsible? makes no difference. it's just words. like saying that construction on the wall is well underway. >> we have been working very, very hard. the wall is -- we have done a lot of miles of wall already. we're not just starting off fresh. >> keep in mind, the president remean means repair. what he said is not true. he has claimed much of the world is built. that's not true. look, just words. maybe these are just words, too.

here is the president talking about who pays for the wall. the answer used to be easy, mexico. that's what he promised. now he says a trade agreement will pay which doesn't have the same ring. listen, it makes no difference. it's just words. >> earlier this week, you repeated your claim that through the usmca, mexico will pay for the wall. >> that's right. >> can you describe the specific mechanisms that will -- >> you will see it very soon. we made a new trade deal. nafta has been one of the great dista disasters of all time. now we have a deal that's great for our country. by the way, good for mexico, good for canada also, as you know. we will be taking in billions and billions of dollars more money for the united states, including jobs, including companies that won't be leaving us anymore and going to mexico and in some cases canada to a lesser extent. >> the question was, can you

give us specifics. it's hard to know what the president is actually saying there. if you think that's because we have chosen the one clip where he gives a confusing and rambling answer, here is what he said when another reporter asked the same question. >> very nice question. beautifully asked, even though i just answered it. >> you didn't. >> excuse me. are you ready? i just told you that we just made a trade deal. we will take in billions and billions of dollars. far more than the cost of the wall. the wall is peanuts compared to what the value of this trade deal is to the united states. >> just to be clear, the wall may be peanuts, as the president said, the notion of a trade agreement somehow paying for one, it's apples and oranges. the treaty hasn't even been ratified yet. it's not in effect. even when it takes affect, the gains will be going to the businesses that import and export goods and services. to the extent that more tax

revenue from them offsets the expense of a wall, it offsets the expense of a new post office in montana or a highway in duluth. the president has never explained how it adds up to mexico paying for the wall. his press secretary hasn't been able to do that either. only words or perhaps in this case word salad. >> the deficit ballooning to over $1 trillion under this president, where are the monies for this wall going to come from? why is he asking the taxpayers for them when he promised mexico was going to pay for it. >> we're not asking taxpayers for that. we are looking at existing funds through other agencies that we can draw on to do that immediately. the president has been clear that the usmca deal would provide additional revenue through that deal that would show that mexico is paying for the wall. >> that's the treasury. the trade benefits, if there are any, don't go to the treasury.

>> he is saying the revenue provided and the money saved through the usmca deal we can pay for wall four times over. by doing that new trade deal, we have the opportunity to pay for the wall. >> trade benefits go to private citizens. they don't go to the treasury. >> he is talking about the general revenue that comes from that. >> you will tax -- >> we're not taxing. we're talking about revenue that wouldn't have existed without the president getting a new deal. >> did you listen to that? it does not make sense. that would be not a tax to fund a not yet wall that the president has said is either well underway or almost fully built. it's not. this will come not from mexico but from a trade deal with mexico and canada which means canada will pay for the wall. it's just words, like the president says. makes no difference. except he is asking a lot of people not in mexico but right here to pay for the wall and pay up front for the shutshutdown.

then again, he has the answer. >> does have a higher purpose than next week's pay. the people that won't get next week's pay or the following week's pay, i think if you ever looked at those people, i think they would say, mr. president, keep going. this is far more important. >> if you ever really looked at those people. later in the program, you will meet some people who are not getting paid right now. they have bills to pay, credit cards, groceries as well. health insurance, mortgage payments, the rent. the president has words for them, too. words for that, let them eat wall. >> what is a safety net for federal workers? you say months and possibly a year for the shutdown. do you have in mind a safety net for those who need checks, ssi, medicaid? >> the safety net is having a strong border. we will be safe.

i'm not talking about economically but ultimately economically. >> so that's the safety net, the wall. to those words, you can add these words, the president suggesting creditors are also happy to sacrifice for the wall. >> you are a landlord. for people worried about paying their rent checks, employees worried about bill collectors, would you ask the landlords to go easy -- >> i think they will. >> would you -- >> that happens. you know, i've been a landlord for a long time. when you see there are problems out there, difficulties out there, the people are all good for the money, they work with people. >> they work with the people. the landlord looking out for his tenants who can't pay. as you heard, mr. trump was a landlord. you must have been that kind of a landlord, right? he talked with "the washington

post" about his early experience as a landlord with his dad in brooklyn. part of what he said is here. quote, you know, he says, when you collect rent and you may have heard this, but you never stand in front of the door and you always knock this way, because you get bad things coming through that door. does that sound like he was offering a few more weeks or months to pay? he did not announce any plans or orders or propose legislation to provide relief to tenants or to landlords. when asked whether he would tell his senior staff to refuse the $10,000 pay raises that they are due to get tomorrow, the president said he might consider it but made no commitment. then moved on. just words. more on the shutdown and the standoff. go to kaitlan collins at the white house. still an impasse. the president is threatening to declare a national emergency to somehow build the wall. how does that work? >> reporter: that was really the conflicting stances you saw from the president in that press conference in the rose garden.

at some points he would say that he felt he had a productive meeting with democrats and he felt the shutdown could be over in days. then he would switch to saying, yes, he did tell chuck schumer and nancy pelosi that the shutdown could go on for years and he might have to use emergency powers to get this promised border wall built. the president has been saying the situation at the border is a national emergency since back in october. he hasn't declared it one since then. of course, that still is something he could do. hasn't done so yet. judging from what we heard from sources in the white house, that has not been a topic of discussion. the president did leave it on the table today. >> you pressed the president on his campaign promise of the wall being made of concrete. he said he never said that. that is not the case. want to play this for our viewers. >> a wall. i build buildings that are 94 stories tall. that's tough stuff. this is so easy.

think of it. some of you are in the construction business. think of garages. the concrete plank that goes 60, 70, 80, 90 feet, right, concrete plank, for garage floors. it's precast. you put a foundation, you put a rut, you put up -- you make it beautiful. put a design in the concrete. >> it's made of hardened concrete. when you build buildings, believe me, walls are easy. w no windows, precast concrete, going very high. you have to be kidding. concrete plank. you have to be kidding. precast. precast. precast, boom. done. keep going. >> precast concrete. a lot about concrete in there. >> reporter: that was something he promised repeatedly on the campaign trail to people who voted for him. a large swath of people that voted for him because mexico will pay for the wall and it was

going to be built of concrete. if the president changed his mind, it's one thing. when his outgoing chief of staff john kelly said in an interview the days of a concrete wall being built were long gone, someone who previously served as the dhs secretary, the president shot back and said a concrete wall had not been abandabandone. he said today it would be built of steel and it could produce manufacturing jobs if he did decide to construct it of steel. i talked to several people close to the president asking him what is he going to built it of and what is the reason for changing the logic. they said it has to do with the president wanting to make sure he doesn't seem like he is back-pedaling that he is going to build a wall and it's going to be made of concrete. >> okay. remains to be seen. thanks very much. breaking news right now. a report in the "wall street journal," michael bender is on the biline.

a few lines in your piece, i'm hoping you can expand. the president, quote, opened friday's meeting with lawmakers with a 15-minute profanityprofad land about impeachment. what more do you know about that? >> this from what we understand is the president upset about quotes last night from inside the democratic congress. the explicit quotes from some of the new members saying that they were there to impeach trump. he is hot about that last night. he was hot about it today and came into the meeting hot. wanting to complain about that. we saw a little bit of that during the news conference. remember that trump said that pelosi told him, they weren't considering impeachment. well, it's not quite the case from what we understand from

both house and white house officials. what pelosi told trump inside the room when trump was complaining about some of her members was she said that they were there to talk about the shutdown. they were not there to talk about impeachment. when she said she wasn't considering impeachment, from our understanding is what that meant was in the moment, in the meeting about a shutdown, she wasn't talking about -- she didn't want to talk about removing the president from office. >> according to your article, the president said -- the preside president, told lawmakers he didn't like shutdown and preferred strike. do you know if anyone interpreted that to make sense? a strike is obviously when people refuse to go to work out of protest. it's the opposite of what's happening here. >> right. which would -- the only thing we could piece together on that was the context you were talking about earlier about all these

federal workers, the president is talking about, who want him to keep holding their paychecks until he gets funding for the wall. that was the only way we could make sense of what that meant. you did hear him say during the news conference, he didn't use strike there, but did say that he doesn't like calling it a shutdown. >> which is obviously at odds with three weeks ago. >> yeah. >> you more detail on what pelosi calls a sometimes contentious meeting. you write the speaker told homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen, quote, i reject your facts. the secretary replies, these aren't my facts. these are the facts. obviously, it's an administration that said there was alternative facts. >> from what i understand, this has happened a couple times now.

when lawmakers were over wednesday, there was a similar exchange. nielsen tried to go through a presentation. schumer and pelosi shut it down to move on to a negotiation with trump. this has frustrated the white house. say what you want about trump's performance, how articulate he is about this. they believe they can win this argument on the policy. we saw trump do that today. he ran through a laundry list of issues from illegal immigration to federal workers getting paid that he believes can be solved with a wall. they bring in nielsen to run through the facts. wednesday and today, senate and house democrats stopped it. they know those numbers.

what they are telling us, they are there to find a negotiation. there's real frustration inside the white house right now. there is about -- you saw it with trump. you mentioned him, whether he wants to own the shutdown or more. there's a feeling they are getting outmaneuvered by democrats on this. there's no sense that democrats are closer to making a deal. the white house thinks they are a week away from making a deal. a week away, then we start talking about the longest shutdown since the 21-day shutdown in 1995, this will not help them in messaging. >> it's fascinating. i appreciate your reporting. thank you. the article is from "the wall street journal." joining us now is a

congressman, one of the republican house members who chose to fund the government but not the wall. thanks for being with us. can you just kind of walk us through your thinking on why you chose to break ranks with fellow republicans, which only a few others did, and vote to reopen the government and not give the president funding for the wall, at least for now? >> well, last week i voted for -- a couple weeks ago i voted for a continuing resolution that included funding for the wall. i want to keep the government open. i think it's a fundamental responsibility of anybody in congress to keep the government running. i made a promise to my con city edge con still ent-- constituents i vote for a shut down. i believe we need to secure our border.

we are battling over semantics here. i saw a congressman talking about the fact that democrats want border security. the president wants a wall. you can't have border security without barriers. that's why we have 700 miles of barriers. what we are talking about here is enhancing those barriers to make the border more secure. why can't both sides sit down and just hash out the terminology and get it done? we can all win on that. >> i wonder what you make of the new reporting that we got that in today's meeting the president told lawmakers he didn't want to call this a shutdown, would like to call it a strike. is that -- >> whatever way -- the way i look at it, to me, it doesn't matter. what matters is that there's people in ohio and in my district and all over this country tonight that are planning funerals for their children who would die from heroin overdoses because the border is not as secure as it

should be. they don't care about semantics. they care about getting a deal done and make the border secure and keeping the government open. if the leaders on both parties would think along those terms more than worrying about semantics of what the terminology is, i think we would be better off and we would get more done. >> the president said today that the shutdown could last months or years. obviously, that's not good for anybody and the hundreds of thousands of federal workers or federal employees not getting paid while bills pile up. he expects landlords a s and creditors to go easy on those people. can you foresee something like this lasting that long? >> i don't foresee it lasting too much longer. the longer the shutdown goes, it's more incumbent upon both to sit down and give a little. when you draw lines in the sand and you have this extreme position on both sides where we

won't give a dime for funding border security or the wall or the other side saying we want a wall, you gotta bend. like i said, border security is about securing the border. it's about providing barriers that keep the border safe in high traffic areas. i know this because i was a federal organized crime prosecutor in texas for years. i saw firsthand how much of a sieve the border is. even in california, if you took down the barriers right now, california would be very concerned about that. the fact of the matter is, we need security. the people could sit down and dispense with rhetoric and dispense with the heated back and forth, i think we would be better off as a country. america doesn't want to see people just throwing bombs at each other. they want to see people sitting down and getting things done and working and compromising. ronald reagan did it all the time with tip o'neill. they were politically on different ends of the spectrum.

they got big things done. that's what you gotta do. >> i appreciate your time and talking with you. thank you very much. >> thanks so much. >> take care. just ahead, maggie joins us. we will dig into the president's next steps. what is she hearing about inside the white house and what the president's state of mind is, how he is looking at things. the human cost of the sh shutdown. we will talk to the wife of a coast guard serviceman who has been working without pay and get into how they are making ends meet. onmillionth order.r. ♪ there goes our first big order. ♪ 44, 45, 46... how many of these did they order? ooh, that's hot. ♪ you know, we could sell these. nah. ♪ we don't bake. ♪

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world shutdown but prefers strike. not sure that makes much sense, given strikes are voluntary and 800,000 workers who are not getting paid didn't sign up for this. they're not on strike. at the least, it's an indication of how divorced from reality the situation is quickly becoming. perspective on what the president may do next, joining us "new york times" white house correspondent, maggie haverman. knowing the way the president operates, is there any scenario under which you see him accepting a deal that doesn't give him full funding? where does this go? >> i think there is a scenario where he would accept a lesser amount if he was able to claim it as a win. we are a ways away from that. the president is dug in. the president feels very good about this. i don't think the entire white house feels good about it. the white house is conflicted about this. his new chief of staff is in

favor of this shutdown, has been supportive of it. i think that has helped propel the president forward each day. a lot of people don't know what the end game is. that's because the president doesn't seem clear on what the end game is. they will have staff meetings this weekend with congressional aides. there will be a meeting tuesday as we understand it. the president has had his son-in-law jared kushner, because he recently helped push through this criminal justice reform bill with democratic help on the hill, had him involved making phone calls yesterday. my understanding of those conversations is that jared kushner was having loose conversations saying the president is dug in on this. you are going to need to give him funding and maybe you could get something in exchange like daca, which is part of how this notion of a daca for the wall compromise idea got floated in the first place in the last 24 hours. that's not something the democrats are interested in.

pelosi made clear the government has to get reopened. that's to make sure the president can't say what he has been saying which this isn't a shutdown or my shutdown or we're all here. we're going to do this for a while. >> were you surprised today when the president owned up to saying during that leadership meeting that the shutdown could last for months or years? he also said people can call it the schumer shutdown, pelosi shutdown or trump shutdown, he doesn't care. is there a strategy behind that? before in that meeting, three weeks ago, he was saying he proudly takes the mantle of it being a trump shutdown. >> as you know, he tends to get carried away in the moment at the showy moments such as the oval office meeting or the press conference. he confirmed it without thinking through what would matter, what implications would be, as he often does with these things. he does feel proud. he is proud of showing his supporters his hard line

supporters, look, i'm sticking to this. i'm not caving. i'm going ahead with it. he is aware that the word shutdown is a problem tore him. they are becoming more aware that the number of services that are being impacted is vast. this has seemed to him like a game. this is starting to have real world impact. he is aware that that is problematic. certainly his aides are aware. he is trying to suggest that this is -- we're in this together. his supporters do feel that way. his supporters feel like democrats are bargaining. it's again really important to remember, there had been a bill to keep the government funded that had been agreed upon and passed through the senate. then the president suddenly backed out of that compromise deal. democrats don't feel like there's any percentage in going first in trying to give him a deal because they think he can't be trusted. >> the president is toying with

the idea of using emergency powers. building the wall with military funding. how likely is that? >> it's not likely. he is doing more than just talking about it. our reporting is that this actually has been talked about inside the white house. the counsel's office explored what can be done. that got looked at a couple of months ago when he first started talking about this in the fall. more recently, with the shutdown, they started looking at what can be done again because the president has been opining that this is something he would like to do or have an option open to him. almost everyone i talked to thinks it's almost certainly an illegal move. i don't think that he can realistically go ahead with it. the language itself from a u.s. president, however, is significant and it's a r ratcheting up of what we have heard from him. >> thanks very much. one member of a coast guard

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as we reported at the top of the broadcast, cnn learns that tsa officers at four major airports have called in sick. 170 a day at kennedy airport. sick calls up 200% at dallas-ft. worth. some of the workers can no longer tolerate working without pay or can no longer afford to. here is what the president had to say when asked about it. >> you are saying months and possibly a year for the shutdown. do you have in mind a safety net

for those who need their checks? >> the safety net is having a strong border. we will be safe. many of the people you are discussing i really believe that they agree with what we're doing. >> the president offered no examples beyond the border at union officials he had at the white house. we thought we would ask one of the hundreds of thousands of people affected what they think. kayla is married to a coast guard serviceman. she doesn't want us to use her last name. she joins us tonight. you and your family, you are among hundreds of thousands of people affected by this shutdown. financially, how are things right now? >> financially, it's a bit chaotic. my family personally is going through a lot of stress. it's a little panicky. we have called a lot of our creditors and talked about pushing bills back. some of them were gracious. others were not. we are doing things like keeping my son out of day care until

it's necessary. pinching every penny. grocery shopping with coupons and gift cards we got for christmas. >> if this shutdown goes on for months, even years as the president said it might, what would that mean for your family? >> that would mean budgeting a lot tighter than what we are right now. probably going back to my family for help. my family has been very understanding and supportive in this process. they have offered to help us. with gift cards that we use to buy food for our dog, with a little bit of money as an extra christmas gift. it would mean for us tightening our belt more. it's hard for me, because i am a full-time student. i'm an education major. once the semester starts back up, i have to start working in the middle school here. my son will have to go to day care. that's a bill that i can't really avoid. >> it's also important to point

out that you are a coast guard family. your husband is doing something which protects americans and which is a national service and that we are all thankful for. it's not as if this is just some job that somebody in an office has somewhere that doesn't have a direct impact on the national security. this actually does impact national security. >> absolutely it does. regardless of getting paid or not getting paid, i'm still proud to be a coast guard wife. my husband is proud to serve. i know that it's a little bit of salt in the wound, i guess, to have some of the politicians or some of the news articles around christmastime that were saying we appreciate the service of our troops. i don't feel like people are counting the coast guard in that. our coast guard is amazing and very supportive of our country. yet i feel like as a spouse, seeing it from the outside, i

feel forgotten during this. >> if you could say something to the president, if you could talk to him, talk to members of congress tonight who may be listening about the shutdown, about the situation, what do you want them to know? >> i think the first thing i would want them to know is that regardless of what side you play for, regardless if you are agree or disagree with the president, the republicans, the democrats, this is not an issue of border security at this point. i think it's an issue of funding one of our military branchs. there are a lot of service members and spouses who work really hard. for me personally, my holidays were very stressful. i thought about running my son's christmas gifts because of this. >> really? >> i would like them to think about us. even if the shutdown doesn't have a resolution in sight any time soon, if they could task something that would at least fund the coast guard. if one of the people in charge could at least recognize, this is a part of our military not

getting paid and they depend on these checks, i would be very appreciative of that. >> i thank you for talking with us tonight. i hope the message gets through. i wish you and your family the best. >> thank you so much. thank you for giving me this opportunity. i want to dig deeper with former virginia attorney general ken kuchinelli and van jones. van, you heard how she describes what her family is going through. do you think the president has a sense of what the shutdown actually means for the federal workers and their families? >> he apparently doesn't if you heard his comments which were shocking and appalling. tone deaf and just disconnected. it's not just the coast guard. you have the federal workers who are not getting paid. they are having to make phone calls. they are begging, don't cut off my heat. the federal contractors, they are not -- you might get back

pay. you are a federal contractcontr you don't work, you don't eat. they will never recover. you have private companies that contract with the government. they may have to lay off people. the cascade affect on ordinary people on this is extraordinary. i want to say this. we call it the government. the government. this is america's government. we are not talking about the government on the moon or some other country. he won't keep america's government functioning. i don't know how you say you make america great again and you won't keep america's government open for business. >> ken, you hear according to "the wall street journal" the president doesn't like the use the word shutdown. likes to use the word strike. does that make sense to you? >> well, it's a private sector version of this. this is an impasse. i think that -- i appreciate van's perspective. the president is the only one in this negotiation who signalled a

willingness to pcompromise. nancy pelosi is being asked, will you give one penny? not one penny. the president has not taken that tack. he said other things, some of which van referred to. he has gone to bat for coast guard in particular. there are real people involved here. i live in northern virginia. of course, the ring counties around washington, d.c. get attention because of the ties and reliance on the federal government and the employment there and the federal contractors that van noted are in a different situation. i agree with him that are different from federal employees who can expect, if history is guide, back pay. around here, traffic is lighter. people have curtailed plans. people are staying home who aren't going to work. they're doing other things. frankly, when you hear the two sides negotiating about this, talking in the long-term ways

they are, at least if you are a younger or -- you are a government employee with less years in, you might start looking around for another job. because this -- i could see how this could get old. the reality is, the president and not nancy pelosi -- i single those two out to the exclusion of schumer at the moment. only the president has signalled a willingness to compromise. >> van, is that the case, the president is willing to compromise? >> he is not willing to compromi compromise. we had a compromise. the senate voted 100-0 to keep the government open. the president got scared and went running into a corner and here we are. the idea that it's nancy pelosi's job to pull the president back to where he was by giving up stuff we should be doing in the normal course of business i don't think is fair. certainly not fair to the country for us to go through this. by the way, we're not the only

people watching tv here. america's enemies watch television. this might be a very scary time if you think about the vulnerabilities we might have throughout the federal family when you know people are calling in sick, they're not coming into work, they are disspirited, demoralized. you are weakening america's defenses from the airport to the border to the coast. again, we are saying we are making america great. this doesn't seem great. i don't think at the end of the day it makes sense for -- donald trump said himself he wants responsibility. he should take responsibility and reopen the government. >> ken, the president today saying that he might consider asking his cabinet and top administrators to forego their raises. should he do more than consider that given so many people are going without pay? >> i think that's the direction he is going in. you see congressmen, women on both sides of the aisle who for years the numbers have picked up that if we don't have a budget,

we shouldn't be paid. you may see that this year. again on a bipartisan basis. i think it shouldn't just be during shutshutdowns. once they get past september 30 without a budget, congress shouldn't be paid and the president. this president wouldn't care. i think that should be in place every year. this is a long-term failure. we should have these fights months before this point on the calendar. >> i agree with that. >> the senate and house under both democrats and republicans have failed to pass budgets in a responsible, timely fashion. both parties have owned that, especially the leetdership. >> i gotta wrap. >> i agree. >> van, we will end on agreement. thank you. up next, a new house democrat coming under fire for her remark about impeaching president trump. did she cross a line or was it

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something else. >> and when your son looks at you and says mom, you're right, bullies don't win. >> and i say that's right, you don't, we're going to go in there and impeach the mother [ bleep ]. >> that language has created headaches for her party but the congresswoman isn't sorry for it. she's stand big it. here's what she told cnn affiliate wdiv late today. >> i think no one expects me to be anything but myself, the girl from southwest detroit, the little sass and attitude. i think president trump met his match. i've talked to a number of my colleagues in creating congresswoman maxine waters who were very smiling and inteling me we love your spirit, we welcome it, we -- come to us if you need any help or advice and they agree we need to impeach the president of the united states. look, it's probably exactly how

my grandmother if she was alive would say it. i am a member of congress and things i say is elevated on a national level and i understand that very clearly. >> here was the president's reaction earlier. >> i thought her comments were disgraceful. using language like that in front of her son and whoever else was there, i thought that was a great dishonor to her and her family. i thought it was highly disrespectful to the united states of america. >> he amgs salso said you can't impeach somebody doing a great job. speaker pelosi said she would haven't used congresswoman tlaib's language but it ee's nothing worse than what the president of the united states has said. i i want to bring in jennifer granholm and kirsten, do you think it's the word, the message or the person saying it that's upsetting people here? >> look, this was a private event, it's not like she did it

on the floor of the house. the president himself, the idea he's sitting here and criticizing this language is ridiculous if for no other reason there's a clip of him during the campaign rally using the exact same word. she's using it at a private event, he's using it at a public event yet it's disgraceful when she does it. i think that, of course, it's probably better for a member of congress not to talk like that but it's not the crime of the century that it's being made out to be and she's being held to a much higher standard, frankly, than any trump supporter holds the president to who has -- uses vulgarities all the time and is completely unapologetic about it. >> governor granholm, how do you see it? >> when he uses words like it was a disgrace the language she used and this guy has used the "p" word, the "c" word the "f"

word, you name it, i retreated a montage of some of the profanities he has used. what's really pro fine, kristen has it right, she's hold a double standard and no one is clutching their pearls about what he has done and said but what he's done is pro fine. what he's done is obscene, meaning separating children from their parents at the borders or putting kids in cages at the border. that is what's obscene. rashida tlaib is reflecting the anger of her constituents. i totally understand that. but i would love to see the president held to the same pearl-clutching standards she's being held to. >> kirsten, does it help democrats to have somebody who's just started in congress and with all the concerns about impeachment, whether or not it's good for democrats, bad for

democrats,ing this they will or won't pursue saying that? granted, it was a small event but in any event everything is videotaped now. >> until this happened, most people had no idea even who this person is and now everyone's acting like she's the leader of the democratic party and everything she says becomes law. she's one member of congress, she has an opinion. there are other members of congress who hold this opinion and that's legitimate. but she's not in the leadership of the democratic party and what's happening is the right wing outrage machine has started and they're trying to put this attention on it and claims this the plan for the democrats when at this point it's not. i'm not saying it never will be, but at this point it's not the plan for the democratic party and jennifer is right. what's so problematic is the

things that outrage people the people who aren't offended by children being tear gassed at the border are offended by this so people need to take a step back and say what is offensive here? and the president's potty mouth is the least of my concerns about him. i wouldn't make my top 100 list of complaints about him. my clients are about his policies and even the "p" word incident that we had, my issue isn't the use of the word, my issue is him talking about grabbing women so it's not about being -- clutching the pearls and being upset about potty language. >> anderson, can -- yes, go ahead, governor. >> i wanted to say one quick work about the impeachment question because the swearing is one and the impeachment is another. i don't want to set up an expectation that what the house can do to bring impeachment charges is going to lead to the president's outer. i worry that the call for

impeachment suggests that he's going to be removed from office by the house. that's not going to happen. you need the senate and you need a supermajority of two-thirds. democrats need to wait for mueller. that's all i'm saying. >> governor granholm, appreciate it. kirsten powers as well. ahead, a lot more. if congress won't give him money for the wall, the president is threatening to declare a national emergency to get it built. would he do that? could he? is the shutdown posing a threat to our safety? hundreds of tsa workers are calling out sick. we'll get the latest on that and the standoff in washington next. ♪

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