seems to show any sort of improvement. however, as we've stated, they believe that the congress is responsible for that, not president trump himself. >> these are truly extraordinary developments. ben pleitgen in moscow, thanks very much. to our viewers, thanks for watching. earn burnett "out front" right now. "out front" next, pelosi versus trump. the house speaker upping the anti. plus trump calls journalists saying russia has been falsely accused of election fraud from air force one. the draft beto o'rourke movement louder tonight. why is he talking about being in a funk, his word? his word. let's go "out front." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "out front" tonight, pelosi's big power play. the house speaker firing the latest shot against trump in their face-off on the wall.

pelosi telling trump to delay his state of the union address or submit it in writing. you don't get all of the cameras he wants. that is, if the government shutdown continues. >> this isn't -- there are hundreds of people working on the logistics of it. most of the people are furloughed or the victims of the president's shutdown, but that isn't the point. the point is security. >> all right. well, the president hasn't formally responded, but his secretary of homeland security kirsten nielsen tweeting the department of homeland security and the u.s. secret service are fully prepared to support and secure the state of the union. but the democratic senate leader, chuck schumer, the other half of chuck and nancy, says it's quite simple. if there is a shutdown, there is no speech for president trump. >> the secretary of homeland security says her agency, specifically the secret service, is prepared to handle the state

of the union. so do you think that it should go forward as planned? >> well, what is the state of the union? the government is closed because of president trump. if it continues to be closed on the 29th, i think it's a good idea to delay it until the government is open. >> as for the president, he's trying to counter strike. he tried to pick off democrats under pelosi's nose inviting them to the white house, seen as moderates. seven democrats on the list and they went to meet with the president. before they even got there they thumbed their nose at him slamming president trump, standing by their speaker releasing a statement saying the government must be reopened before any negotiations with trump can begin which as we all know has been their point of view. the democratic, nancy pelosi's point of view. trump has said i'm not reopening it before i get my 5.6 billion for my wall. to add insult to injury, some republicans seem to be turning on the president. republican senator susan collins

saying this. >> i am sympathetic to strengthening our security at the border, but shutting down government is not the way to achieve that goal. >> collins, along with fellow republican senator lindsey graham and rob portman are part of a bipartisan group writing a letter to the president to reopen the government. two sources telling cnn white house officials privately doing everything they can lobbying senators not to sign this letter and for his part the president is not budging trying to fund raise today off of the fact that he hasn't moved a millimeter citing cnn's reporting, in fact. republican senator john kennedy said he spoke to the president for two hours this week about the shutdown. his take is that the president is dug in. >> he's a carnivore and on this one i can tell you, he's -- he believes he's right. >> carnivore. well, carnivore's like blood,

the other guy's blood. as the president wrote in his book, art of the deal, the last thing you can do is seem desperate to make it that makes the other guy smell blood and then you're dead. for trump reopening the government is a desperate move. caitlyn collins is "out front." caitlyn, hours since pelosi made that statement and still no direct response from president trump. >> reporter: none. that's pretty unusual from this white house. we were told by sources that you referenced, that the president didn't even bring it up during that lunch either. but this letter from pelosi does put pressure on the white house because his white house speech writer has been working on what the president is going to say at the state of the union. they were even prepared to craft it around the government shutdown if it's going on. the president can give a speech that night if he wants to, but if nancy pelosi doesn't introduce this and it doesn't pass the house and senate, then

the president won't be addressing the body of congress. we're on day 26 of the shutdown. no process has been made in front of the cameras that would pay back the furloughed federal workers their back pay, when the government does reopen, erin, it's still pretty unclear when it will be. >> it doesn't seem like anybody has moved a millimeter. they're proudly ensconced in their quarters. it is uncharacteristic, his silence. makes you wonder what he's thinking. "out front," will heard in his district. great to have you back with me. i appreciate it. the bottom line, should the president agree to renegotiate or not? >> i think having a shutdown and negotiating on be the backs of almost 1 million employees who are working hard to keep this

government operating shouldn't happen, right? i think this is a conversation that did happen months ago. i think this solution can be done pretty quickly of having a solution on strong border security, address immigration, deal with root causes in central america and open up the government and make sure these employees get back pay. that can actually be done i think fairly quickly. it's going to require folks to get out of their in trench positions and remember there are second and third and fourth world effects. >> you've been very clear. you're against the wall. you have standing to have a point of view, unlike a lot of people. you have the longest stretch in the country in your district. why do you think the president

is so dmug on this? he proudly won't move it? >> well, i think he made it clear this was a campaign promise he made and he feels like he's following through on a campaign promise. ultimately building a wall from sea to shining sea is the least effective way. or the only way we're going to solve this -- we don't know the way everything is coming back and forth across the border. the only way we can do that is look at 2,000 miles of border. the only way to do that is through that. we're still operating within that. we can work within the confines of a u.s.a. act and streamline

it around daca and the ports of entry where most of the drugs in this country are coming from. >> you give such sound ideas here. when you mention one thing, congressman, you say technology. the president was asked about that recently. i want to play for you exactly what he says. >> you can have all the technology in the world. i'm he a professional in technology, but if you don't have a steel barrier or a wall of some kind, strong, powerful, you're going to have human trafficking, you're going to have drugs pouring across the border, you're going to have ms-13 and the gangs coming in. >> he also wants to make the drone motion over his head. he knows more about drones and the drone technology. >> well, the response is that you have to have people there to

apprehend, right? in some areas border patrol's response time is average. you need to make sure you have the technology to track and then be able to deploy the most important resource we have, the men and women in the boarder patrol to make sure they're able to stop the threat that's coming in. that's the complete picture that we need a among our border. every mile is different. >> why do you think he doesn't listen when you sit here and say these things and instead he said he knows more than enone else about the issue? >> you've got to ask him that question. ultimately i spend a lot of time down there that the border patrol has endorsed. senator mcsally, myself, the

president. i spent almost my entire adult life chasing bad guys. this is something that i've committed it and i see people living with every day. >> the house speaker, nancy pelosi. she said the president let her today. delay your stiet of the union or get that in writing instead. if the government shut down and she's sighting it. >> should the president plan on going there january 29th and delivering it. there's such a lack of trust between the people negotiating the deal and with this kind of lack of trust, you're not going to be able to negotiate and find a solution for the american people. we need to stop thinking about what is a republican solution, what is a democrat solution.

what is good for the recent problem is an example of that lack of trust. we should be talking -- we had a number of u.s. military killed last night from an isis attack. we have this impact that this shutdown is having on our economy. we only have 60 pers percent of people in dhs dealing with that with the threats happening all the time. these are the things we should be focusing on. >> i thank you very much, congressman hurd. >> always a pleasure. "the new york times" said trump called them up and wanted to protect vladimir putin from election meddling. did anyone tell the vice president before he said this this snorng. >> caliphate has crumbled and

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picks up the phone and calls "the new york times" which he ostensibly hates and he argues vladimir putin's case that putin was falsely charged. the times report comes as the man in charge of the senate's investigation says he is not asking for notes from interpreters who were in any of the five face-to-face trump/putin meetings we know of. chairman burr telling manu raju, no, he is not asking for the notes. will mueller have any of the notes including one where trump was literally the only american present. it was only putin, putin's interpreter and president trump. sarah murray is "out front." calls "new york times" and makes putin's case after meeting with

putin. >> it confirms people's worst suspicions. they cast doubt that russia medaled but the fact that he would parrot putin's line to a reporter is a totally different level of buy-in. that's one concern. the second is what exactly happened in these meetings? we don't have a clear indication of that. what i've learned from covering the mueller investigation. really no fraction of what mueller knows. it's possible that he knows more than the american public knows. i we have to remember what robert mueller was tasked with, which was to investigate russian interference in the 2016 election and whether there was any collusion between members of donald trump's orbit, member of his campaign at the time with russian officials. once we get those results, it kind of is in the hands of congress. if mueller comes back with something to suggest that there is a reason that now president trump is so sympathetic to vladimir putin, is so likely to buy into his version of events,

then it's really up to congress to decide what they want to do with that. that could certainly be a very uncomfortable position for his republican majority in the senate to be in and we'll see how democrats in congress handle that if we ever see the findings of this mueller report, erin. >> which is a big question now that likely incoming attorney general william barr that he doesn't know how much he'll put out there. it will be very consistent with the law. i want to go to the former assistant secretary, julia kayem. the threat matrix, garrett graff. on this issue of the notes, we do not know what mueller knows. one need only look at 189 pages yesterday in the manafort filing to see all the stuff in black that's redacted to see how little we know even in that slice of this, but you say you have virtually no doubt mueller

does know what happened in these trump/putin meetings. why? >> sarah sort of touched on this bleakly. bob mueller has an enormous amount of access to classified intelligence, not just from our own u.s. intelligence agencies but foreign intelligence partners through the five is, intelligence sharing, alliance, the five english speaking countries as well as presumably german and dutch intelligence which has been great partners throughout this entire russia probe as well. so, you know, mueller probably has some access to information from the russian side about what has transpired in some of these conversations. any time you have two heads of state talking together, that's a conversation that's going to be targeted by any number of foreign intelligence agencies. >> julia, i know you're saying you understand why the chairman of the intelligence committee

might not ask for it. he doesn't want to set a precedent, but it would be crucial, wouldn't it, for bob mueller to know what happened to the best of his knowledge, to know what the interpreter says occurred, you know, if the president is going to leave one of those meetings and call "the new york times", hey, putin is telling the truth, let me tell you why? >> right. burr -- senator burr is complicated. he's really tried to keep his head down from all of the politics going on. rereally do have to commend him on this. him and senator warren have had a united front. his statement was unfortunate. it's the best take on it. taking a step back, my sense is that the senator does not want to have a crisis over what the meaning of executive privilege is. he's probably happy to have mueller do that. there's a lane for the senate which they're doing.

mueller has a bigger mandate, counter intelligence and criminal mandate. so i wouldn't make too much of what burr said though i think it was unfortunate because he shouldn't be making those legal conclusions. >> obviously it is important someone know. in fact, to my point, we don't know what mueller knows. god knows the senate is not asking for it. we hope the senate has it. there's only two things left. in it you said either trump goes down in history as the world's, quote, most famous useful idiot or that he is, in fact, a russian agent? >> yeah. i said given what we know, it'll almost be more embarrassing for the president if it turns out that he's not a russian agent because simply then we're left with a situation where the president has so compromised our

alliances, to satiate his own personal insecurities and ego. >> julia, which do you -- do you agree with the analysis? >> oh, yeah. i've been of the school president trump knows exactly what he's doing at all times. i have never bought the bumbling fool presidency. and i think the proof is sort of in what sarah was reporting. look, it's not just that he called "the new york times" reporter with the russian talking points, what else is he doing on that flight? he is drafting the excuse for his son about the meeting on trump tower. now i am done in believing in coincidences at this stage. there are too many things around the first july 2017 meeting between putin and trump to have any other understanding than that the cover up becomes part of the conspiracy. in other words, they discuss what to say about that trump tower meeting, and if there is anyone who would have been -- i mean, i guess put it this way,

trump knows everyone believes that he's a russian asset so why are you throwing away notes? why are you not bringing others in? his lack of self-preservation makes it seem that there is something much bigger than -- that he's just a sort of bad politician. >> i mean, garrett, just to be clear, right, not only does he not want anyone to know what happens in those meetings, right? he had one without any american present, putin, trump, and the interpreter. he wanted his notes even from members of his own administration. he told "the new york times," he said put also told him, if we did, we wouldn't have gotten caught because we're professionals. the times write, mr. trump said, i thought that was a good point because they are some of the best in the world at hacking.

>> juliet understands this from her time in government. the reason that two heads of state have a conversation is to try to push forward policy goals, and the reason that you then report out to your own government what was said in that conversation is for the follow-up, to try to push forward the policy goals. what we have now is an incredibly bizarre scenario where the president is having these lengthy conversations with the leader of russia and there appears to be no purpose to them inside the u.s. government. there's no follow-up. there's no policy coming out of them. there's no further action taken by any other part of the u.s. government because no one knows what he's saying. that's just an incredibly ins e insane, incredibly strange decision at this point. >> just quickly, you have these memcoms, memorandums of

communications. you want to protect the integrity of the united states interests, period. that is why you're doing it because even your allies are going to have different than your own. if you think about it the purpose of having other people in the room to protect the integrity of our interests, donald trump failed to do that. so there's a lot of other reasons why you want people in the room. trump has ignored it in all five meetings with putin. >> thank you very much, both of you. next, isis claiming responsibility for a brutal attack in syria. four americans killed. does trump still believe that isis has been defeated? and rising star, beto o'rourke, to run for president. does he have the chops. >> why is he ready to be president? >> i'm not sure he is.

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this next video, i warn you, is graphic. it is the moment that we understand is the explosion. it's a busy market street. suddenly that blast. a massive fireball. you can see how crowded it was. that horrific scene. and yet more than three hours after that deadly attack happened the vice president, mike pence, said this. >> we are bringing our troops home. the caliphate has crumbled and isis has been defeated. >> pence made no mention of the attack in that speech. again, an attack that had happened more than three hours before, an attack that the coalition against isis which is run against the united states tweeted out to the public about an hour before saying u.s. service members were killed during an explosion while conducting a routine patrol in syria today. pence, of course, was focused on echoing the words of his boss. remember, president trump announced he was pulling u.s.

troops out of syria because of this. >> we have won against isis. we've beaten them and we've beaten them badly. >> jim sciutto is "out front." does this attack fly in the face of what the president and the vice president have both been saying in such direct word echos? >> reporter: absolutely, the president and white house creating their own reality. the starkest reality to that is four dead americans today. we already knew that based on the pentagon's own assessment. the pentagon said 20 to 30,000 isis fighters still present in syria and iraq. the pentagon said it would take years to defeat them, contradicting the president. this president doesn't have to look far back for previous presidents who made the same mistake and were proven wrong. george w. bush on the aircraft carrier.

it just flies in the face of reality and it's unbelievable to find the vice president repeating that. erin, it puts deployed u.s. forces in really an impossible position now. they're continuing this fight when their own allies on the ground can't trust them because they know they're leaving. when their adversaries smell blood and are already looking to take over the territory that the u.s. has fought for, it's an impossible position forthem to telegraph their departure. it puts them in a tougher position. >> the president said he would never telegraph but he has done so. >> thanks. "out front" now, senator tim kaine who sits on the foreign services committee. your colleague, senator graham, said this emboldened isis. the president of turkey said

it's related to turning. are they right? >> when the american troops are killed and i have a kid in the marine corps, my first thought isn't can i pin it on someone, my first thought is the family and the kid. what's horrible in this, any claim that isis has defeated is wrong. isis is not defeated. their space on the battlefield has sh ruchk and that's something that we have to keep at the front of the mind. how does it inform our decisions of the timing of things like withdrawal. >> senator, the vice president this morning very clearly said, isis has been defeated. the caliphate has crumbled and our troops are crumbling. zbli have no way of knowing what

he knew. i'll go to the content of the statement. when the president tweeted it out we knew at the moment he tweeted it out he was wrong. i'm on the military committee. i'm on the foreign relations committee we get briefings about the situation in syria. it's good that the isis ballotle field space has shrunk but to suggest that they're defeated, it's inaccurate. >> house speaker pelosi today says president trump should not come to the state of the union. she says that's because the secret service hasn't been funded for 26 days. is anyone's security in jeopardy? >> well, look, i think it would be very, very odd, very, very odd to be -- 800,000 plus people

aren't getting paid and millions of americans are without critical services. my goal, erin, on the shutdown is to get the government reopened. i hope we can get it reopened so on the state of the union day this will be our body. it doesn't seem like there's been anybody fundraising. fund raise off his position. you don't want the senate to recess? are we days away or could it be longer? >> yeah, i'm saying about her book, they acted and passed a bipartisan spending bill to the senate. now it's the senate. it's on the senate. i r the senate passed these. i objected to add journg for the

recess. i said, we shouldn't go away until these are voted on. that doesn't make me the most popular guy in the start time, with so many people hurting it infewer rates me that my colleagues can go on the memo. they should vote yes or no on the bills that they voted on earlier. >> "out front" next, voters pushing beto o'rourke. >> thank you. >> and major concerns about the impact of the shutdown on air safety. tsa agents calling out of work in droves. >> i would say it is less safe today than it is a month ago. absolutely. ♪

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>> reporter: if baeto o'rourke s running for president, he's not saying so. he's also not saying what he would do. that's hardly stopping a frenzy for an event whether he heeds the call of those three words is feeling one of the biggest questions of the 2020 country. today from kansas he posted, have been stuck lately. in and out of a fupg. he added the journey might clear my head, think my thought, break out of the loop i've been stuck in. he's trying to create his own video, one viral video at the time. if he jumps into the race a decision his friends say he'll be likely to run as he did this

time. >> we're going to take you to the rec center and show you where the border is. >> here in el paso he's selling his authenticity don't answer an essential question. he's blasted border trump that i have. >> when asked what he should do, he said, i don't know. steve o'rourke said his friend is flattered. >> why is he ready to be president? i think that's why he's still deciding what he wants to do. he's going to have to estimate who is the person. >> the draft beto movement feels more like a campaign in the

waiting. >> i think he has the charm. he has the talent. he has the ego. he has the appeal. beto is a four-letter word. resonates nicely. >> should he run, questions will be front and center who at the time was one year younger than o'rourke. they met privately. while he's not backing any candidate in the 2020 race, he said he admired losing to ted cruz. >> it didn't constantly felt pole tested. it felt as if he based his statements and his position on what he believed. >> the 46-year-old o'rourke made his appearance on the stage. >> thank you, beto. >> reporter: if he steps onto the presidential campaign, that

will let you know how far he can rise. tonight o'rourke is on the road but it's not entirely clear that he's even being talked about in this way but he'll only make the decision to run if he believes he's the strongest cab date to take on donald trump. if he does that, he must first do something else. primary voters, he's ready to be president. >> thank you very much, jeff. mark, look, the fervor is real. there are plenty of people who know he does. you heard what he said, in and out of a funk now. trying to decide what he can do. can he deliver? >> a couple of things, can he deliver and win the democratic nomination? i think he can. i do think if he does that, if he were to become the democratic nominee, then most certainly his

running way this is flipped. basically what i'm trying to solve is i do think he's somebody that young people aren't looking at. their believes for the next generation. >> jeff eluded to the similarities. age, green. he had a job when he was running. beto's point is he's out of a comparison? >> are people trying too hard? >> i think it's an easy kpir son. >> you had that came alive captured. i don't think that's fair to barack obama. >> thank you very much, mark preston. so much more to come on that. next, is the shutdown affecting america's security?

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tonight $5,000, that's how much "the new york times" is estimating the average furloughed worker has missed in pay since the shutdown began. and there's no end in sight tonight. >> reporter: the shutdown impact is spreading sparking protests from thousands of airport workers across the country who are going without pay. and there is also growing security concern for air travelers. the tsa is reporting skyrocketing absences. 6.1% yesterday compared with 3.7% the same day last year. >> right now i'm mostly concerned about security. after september 11th, the flight attendants cannot be expected to be the first point of security every day. >> reporter: the air traffic controllers union is worried about unpaid employees staffing control towers. >> i would say it is less safe today than a month ago. we do not have the professionals on the job.

>> reporter: the effects could be even more widespread. cnn has learned an estimated 2 million contractors could be losing their paychecks as well. and they would not be eligible for government back pay. this is unpaid time off for me. >> reporter: feeding some of the unpaid federal employees who are turning to charities for help. >> well, i don't have any money going almost two pays not having any money, so why not take advantage of getting a free meal? >> reporter: and then there's the coast guard, the first branch of the military to miss a paycheck during a shutdown. every american will feel the economic impact now projected by the white house to be worse than expected. some analysts estimate a $1.2 billion loss each of the first three weeks the government was closed. and if it continues, growth could slow to zero. as the shutdown stretches on, more people are being called back to work without pay. the irs is recalling over half

of its staff totaling 46,000 workers to process tax returns. even the fda is running low on funding, potentially delaying new drug manufacturing and, therefore, treatment for patients. public health and environmental cleanup is threatened as well. >> sites are not being cleaned up. inspections are not being conducted. permits are not being issued. we're not outreaching to the community. we're not processing grants for contracts. so it has a spillover effect. >> reporter: in the meantime, some workers say they're looking for new jobs in the private sector and hoping for some compromise. >> i don't understand why we as government workers are being penalized for a wall that we have nothing to do with. >> and, ed, the workers have already missed one paycheck, but you're talking about at least three full weeks of pay they didn't get. an entire paycheck and a half. what are they telling you is their biggest worry now?

>> reporter: well, now they say it is because of that lack of money and, quite frankly, the uncertainty of what is going to happen and how long they're going to be without a paycheck. they say that's one of the reasons you're seeing the high number of callouts, tsa agents, for example, not coming to work. they say those are financial reasons, some don't have money to put gas in their car to be able to get to work and those sorts of issues. it is the uncertainty for how long they have to prepare for all of this which they say is really starting to take a toll. they're not sure if they're going to miss one more paycheck or three or four, erin. >> ed, thank you. jeanne moos on how steve carell will be the first if fictional commander of president trump's space force. ndistinct conversat] [friend] i've never seen that before. ♪

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here's jeanne. >> reporter: you can tell president trump likes the ring of it. >> the space force, the space force. space force. >> reporter: his supporters like chanting it. >> space force. >> reporter: but even though the real space force -- >> ignition, liftoff. >> reporter: has barely gotten off the ground, already a comedy series is launching to make fun of it. as if president trump hasn't already been sufficiently mocked about the sixth branch of the armed forces, here comes steve carell. ♪ he and the developer of the u.s. version of "the office" are teaming up with netflix to tell the story of the men and women who have to figure out how to create space force. fans were stoked, though this sounds like a blast. carell's previous experience in space -- >> mother of god -- >> reporter: was as commander of the space station in an "snl"

skit, an air log blew in the biolog that housed the monkey experiment. >> she is cold. wave hello, everyone. >> reporter: sadly it sounds like the show space force will take place mostly on earth. you know what's really out of this world? steve carell's reported salary, likely to be over a million per episode of "space force" according to "the hollywood reporter. "carell has imitated trump in "the office" -- >> you're fired. you're fired. he just makes people sad and an office can't function that way. >> reporter: up on the space station things weren't functioning so well. >> look at that beautiful marvel. isn't that spectacular? >> reporter: real professionals will be building a space force at the same time that actors will parody building a space force. >> i'm sorry, kids. this is a bad day for kids. >> space force.

>> reporter: jeanne moose, cnn. >> she's breaking like a s saltine. you can watch "out front" anytime, anywhere. anderson is next. good evening. the president who says he's been tougher on russia than any president ever won a narrow vote in the senate to ease sanctions on those with close connections to the kremlin. some serious people in and out of government asking whether a u.s. president might be an unwitting russian asset. and today over the objection of quite a few republicans the senate fell short of the votes needed to block the easing of sanctions on companies tied him. >> he's hurting the russian people every day and is trying to hurt america. we have him down.