tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN January 21, 2019 10:00pm-11:00pm PST
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chris cuomo is off tonight. topping this hour late developments in the battle over the government shutdown. weeks of refusing to make a move on his own. mashlgty leader is preparing to introduce legislation to end the stand off over funding for the border wall. working his sources for us in the fast moving story.
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>> mitch mcconnell is likely going to introduce legislation to end the government shutdown tomorrow. >> it mirrors what the president announced saturday. $5.7 billion for a border wall. the trade off to lure democrats into a deal with. the daca dreamers and the protected status. what's interesting about this proposal is it goes broader than that. it's a full spending package. a number of elements that republicans want to try to use to pressure democrats here. the key issue is republicans control 53 seats in the senate. to move this bill forward they need 60 votes in naifr of it. democrats made clear they're opposed. as it stands even though the proposal will be introduced tomorrow and at least according to the white house a trade off. democrats are saying no. which means it is likely to
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fail. >> mcconnell said he wouldn't bring anything to a vote until the president and democrats agreed to a deal. what changed? >> it's a clear shift. there's a reason for it. this goes back to nancy pelosi decision last week to tell the president he needed to find a new date for the state of the union. that moment the majority leader recognized democrats weren't going to move. it wasn't the 28 days prior that gave them the indication. it was the letter. that started administration officials talked about their own proposal. the one jared kushner and min brought. the trade off you heard the president talk about. mcconnell added items as well. a full spending package. negotiated by house and gnat republicans. $12 billion in disaster aid. he's trying to do he recognizes the votes won't be in his favor.
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he'll try to ramp up pressure on the democrats. this proposal might not be the one that solves the issue, the hope for mcconnell is this gets democrats to the table or forces members it's time to negotiate. >> the democrats over the weekend rejected the plan before he announced it. when was the last time they put a deal on the table? >> two things here that are important. house democrats will tell you we have been putting proposal after proposal to reopen the government nor several weeks. but democrats made clear their baseline is they will need to reopen the government before they have any discussion or negotiation about border security. once the government is reopened they are happy to have the discussion. the reason why it's been explained to me is it's a long game. they recognize if they give in on policy right now. if the president gets something out of the shut down. he's likely to use the strategy in the future.
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what they're trying to do is dissuade him from the notion to ever do this again. they're not willing to have the policy discussion. the question now is how tenable this is. as this continues. keep in mind 800,000 workers will miss the second paycheck on friday. while republicans are being blamed for this. the president in particular. democrats have citizens that are federal workers. they're feeling this they're feeling the bite. is it a sustainable position. democrats say yes. they think republicans will break. it will be interesting to see smeeshl now that republicans have a proposal and will be voting later this weekend. >> let's get added perspective on this. joining us now. former pennsylvania republican congressman. and republican strategist. congressman, the fact mitch mcconnell is planning to introduce the proposal as a
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broader package is that a step in the right direction? >> well, i would say the he laid down a marker. everybody knows this proposal will not pass the senate. he's laying down a marker. what i think will happen if i'm the democrats i will throw $2 billion on the table right now. and get a permanent solution to daca as a counter measure. i understand the thinking. the shut downs end the same way. with a cleep funding bill. this exercise would have been pointless. there's posturing. i don't the democrats will make many concessions on policy. as long as the government is shut down. >> even if this doesn't pass. does it put pressure on democrats to come up with a counter offer? >> as was out lined in the roar. democrats have passed several bills they have sent to mitch mcconnell he refused to bring to the floor. their argument is let's get the government open. we have workers not getting
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paychecks. we're seeing the impact on tsa. and let's have a discussion. democrats have an incentive to have a discussion. they're not against border security. they have different views on how to fund it and approached. they want to help dreamers. there's incentive to do that. they want to open the government first. i lived through shut downs myself. they end in a clean bill and take the issues forward. the pressure is going to be on a lot of the republicans colluding mitch mcconnell. largely absent from the debate. to have a clean vote and move forward to the negotiation after. whether or not president trump allows that, that's a big question. >> do you think sweechb the great teal maker? that the president believes himself to be. >> he's offering a good deal. i think it's getting some traction. one of the things that senator
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mcconnell said is he would put something opt floor that the president would sign. we have an opportunity. beyond that, he's a good negotiator. the problem with what jen said and the congressman said the following is i think the would enter into good faith negotiations. the speaker saying she's not going to appropriate one dollar for the wall. i think that's the non-starter. not just saying this is a talking point or republican point of view. you have someone who has said she isn't going to appropriate one dollar. not sit down and have a negotiation over the wall. if the government is open. but not appropriate one dollar. this is more than a marker. it will be the beginning of a negotiation in the senate. mitch mcconnell is a savvy leader. he's been around a long time. four decades in washington. what will happen is he'll allow a number of things and talk
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about border security that includes wall funding without calling it a wall. possibly even setting up a commission. for example. of advisers that can appropriate $10 billion to be decided. on how the border security funding should be allocated including and partially a wall funding. i think there's movement. the president has advanced lt agenda. >> go ahead. >> the problem with what you're saying if we were in a normal circumstance, which we're not. there is a republican president. and there was a republican and democrats negotiating. there's a back and forth. the issue if you're speaker pelosi or minority leader schumer this is not on the level. the president shut down government to satisfy a campaign pledge. they know that. also it was in the reporting they know they don't want to give in to the bad behavior.
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they know he'll repeat it. there can be a negotiation on a lot of the issues. border security is something everybody wants to do. not under these circumstances. it's just not business as usual here. that's the issue. >> i have to say very quickly. i respect you. but i think there's a political equation. the show is dedicated to democratic candidates running for president. the democratic tune has changed from full border wall funding even a year ago. to now nothing for the wall. because they want to use it to deny the president a center piece. not just a campaign promise. a center piece of the presidential campaign in 2016. so the democratic politics of 2020. this isn't donald trump. he wants to do what is right for the country in my opinion. the democrats are looking tort presidential election. >> do you agree with that? democrats don't want to give him
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any wall because it is such a central part of the campaign? >> that's true of some. perhaps many democrats. we have to be honest. about what's going on here. one of the challenges in negotiating with trump he doesn't have fixed policy positions and they shift. mitch mcconnell has been burned once in december. he put a funding bill which passed the senate. to have his legs taken out from under him by the president. nobody has empowered to negotiate on behalf of the president. the president wants $5 billion. we know that. want question is what is he willing to give up? for that. nobody is sure. he put the temporary -- a little bit on there. for daca. it will require much more than that. to get $5 billion. >> when has the president retreated from his stabs we needed a border wall?
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>> the point is that he flips around the position and there's nobody to negotiate on his behalf. sending vice president pence and jared kushner to the hill is meaningless. >> he's the guy that stayed in washington through december. through january. i'm sure the press would have been criticizing him if he was in florida or on vacation. saying i'm ready to sit down and talk at any time. there were no offers forthcoming. >> i think the issue is that fupding for the wall $5 billion is a lot of money. there's an irony the members of the party who were opposed to spending are for it now. president trump is somebody who wants to get this done so he can have a big placard as campaign rallies. >> is it a will the of money? >> doint have it in my pocket.
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nobody does. >> what does he want to do with $5 billion? that's the question. i was a cosponsor of the secure fence act. how many border agents does he want? how many access roads. i can quantify those. he hasn't laid out a coherent plan. for operational control other than saying i want a wall. from sea to shining sea. >> i have to jump in. thank you very much. much more on the shut down and what it's doing to hundreds of thousands of people. one intent a screener called in. three times the normal percentage. many are saying they can't fwo on working without pay. on friday randi kaye sat down with five federal workers. one from the epa, tsa and air traffic controller. four are working without pay. one is furloughed.
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two are democrats. one republican. and two are independent. hee he's the report. >> how many of you are running out of money? all of you. >> reporter: her son needs medication. >> i don't know how i'll pay the $250 a month. for his medication. my husband and i put ourselves on a grilled cheese sandwich diet. therefore the kids can eat. >> reporter: todd is picking up extra cash playing guitar at the coffee shop. that may not be enough to afford regular mris for ms. >> out of pocket cost is $500. that's with insurance. >> a divorced dad may have to skip the 300 mile drive every other week to see his daughter. >> i wouldn't have the gas money. >> reporter: as of today. kyle is broke. >> today.
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i ran out of money. i have $20 left in the bank account. i called my parents and they'll put in $300 for me. so. >> when you have zero income. but no end in sight. that's what becomes the problem. >> reporter: when a top economic adviser in the trump administration suggested this is paid vacation. this furloughed worker was furious. >> that boiled my blood. you have to understand the psychological impact of this. being at home we feel under valued. we're unappreciated. and that results in low moral. >> reporter: do you think president trump can relate to the situation? >> can we relate to a guy living paycheck to paycheck. i don't think so. i don't think anybody in congress can relate. >> as a trump voter you don't agree with what he's doing. >> i don't believe in holding anybody's paycheck hostage.
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democrat, republican. i don't care who you are. >> what about speaker pelosi? can she relate to the position you're in? >> no. honestly i don't think she cares. every interview she's got in smirk on her face like she's winning. she's not. >> who do you blame for the position you're in? >> congress. as a whole. i would love to really point my finger to mitch mcconnell. who refuses to allow a vote. in the senate. >> i blame the entire leadership. as a leader you don't get a chance to shift blame. you have to take responsibility. >> you voted for donald trump. do you feel betrayed? >> i feel betrayed by him. he talked about supporting law enforcement. i'm a federal law enforcement officer. not receiving pay. how is that supporting law enforcement? you know. so, i blame him. i blame the republican party. i blame the democratic party. >> one of the hard parts is none
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of us are asking for hand outs. we're asking for a paycheck. we'll keep telling the stories of people like this as long as the shut down continues. rudy giuliani weighs in on the president, russia and once again what she's saying is confusing people. he's saying he wasn't really saying what we all heard him say. is that clear? we'll try to clear it up. later the story the chances are you have been talking about. video of the kid in a trump hat and a native american elder. insight on what may have actually happened.
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lawyer. things over the weekend that are making people do a double take. a while back he let it slip president trump had in fact paid off stormy daniels. and his campaign may have colluded with russia. just not the president himself. he spoke with the "new york times." about business dealings with russians during the campaign. quote the trump tower discussions were quote going on from the day i announced the day i run. quoting trump saying during an interview with the "new york times." that's what he told the times. a direct quote from the president. the same day he told cnn his client quote wasn't talking to people in russia about anything. he didn't talk to people in russia at all. that was yesterday. today he tried to walk it back. it's hard sorting through all this. what did he say today and how many different answers has he given about this in the last 36 hours?
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>> a big flip-flop. he spoke to three news out lets sunday. and he tried to clarify today. yesterday. the take away throughout all the interviews yesterday it seemed to be the same. it was that it was possible that donald trump had discussions relating to trump tower moscow throughout 2016. during the campaign and up to the election itself. giuliani quoted the president when he gave the interview to the "new york times" saying discussions were going on from the day trump announced candidacy to the day he won. earlier today, the story clanging and e voling. he told us the president had no recollection discussions went through the election since there were no records. documenting any of the conversations. and of course it was later that rudy giuliani released that full more formal statement. it said his comments about the discussions, about trump tower moscow and trump were hypothetical and didn't
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represent the actual timing or circumstances. and of course in that same statement he went back to insisting that the proposal was always in the early stages. never advanced beyond that nine binding letter of intent. so finally trying to go back to square one. creating a will the of confusion in the process. >> do we know from the sources, is there any strategy behind the quickly shifting narratives? is it confusion or is there a method? >> i think it's fairs people will scratching their heads over whether there is a strategy. the changing statements could hurt the president's legal strategy when it comes to special counsel. the president answered questions about trump tower moscow in the written responses. submitted before thanksgiving. he eluded to the responses in previous interviews. now he's on the record first yesterday saying the conversations -- actually first
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saying lt conversations ended june or july 2016. then saying yesterday they may have gone all the way to the election. and today flipping back on that. saying that was a hypothetical. those flip-flops could really give mueller an opening to ask the president to answer even more questions or potentially demand an in person interview with the president. to get the whole time line issue squared away. this flip-flop could really open a can of worms. possibly in this mueller probe. >> fascinating. thank you. joining us now a member of the intelligence agency. james clapper. so i want to start by getting your take on what i asked. do you buy the theory rudy giuliani is out there intentionally floating trial balloons on the president's behalf to see if certain and confuse things with the public.
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or the former mayor is a one man gang that can't shoot straight? >> actually more and more i am falling in to the camp that says there's perhaps a method to the madness here. i think what giuliani is doing and he's a pr lawyer. as jessica eluded not a real lawyer. and i think he and the president think in the end this is all going to be decided in the court of public opinion. so when he makes these contradictory statements, i think what he actually is doing is marginalizing whatever issue he's trying to ob fis kate. in the case of contacts with russia. to the extent that he can confuse that he's actually serving the purpose of
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triviaizing whatever the relationships were. he's mindful the questions that were submitted in writing. which i would guess were written big enough to troodrive a truck through. to preserve ambiguity. for peerm who follow this stuff day-to-day it's confusing. for the great mass of the public that doesn't follow it, in detail day-to-day. it gets very confusing and ob fis kated. the purpose is to trivialize the concerns. >> put aside the question of whether or not giuliani is serving his client well with the shifting explanation. how much interest would it be from an intelligence perspective whether or not candidate trump
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was having the tower conversations or people representing him having the conversations throughout the 2016 campaign is this it has potentially great implications from a counter intelligence perspective. if there was in fact a financial interest or hope for it financial interest, that could potentially have serious counter intelligence and national security implications. certainly contempt rainously. in the last administration were not aware of the extent of what is now apparently emerging about just how extensive and how long this dialogue business dialogue went on with the russians. >> if the president or anyone in his circle has been untruthful publicly or privately about the extent of the project or the conversation about it, the
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russians would know that. and that would potentially be leverage they can use. >> well, exactly. that is i think under the rubic of counter intelligence implications. is exactly the point. this is standard operating procedure for the russians. is to seek and exert leverage if they can. i don't know the details here. this just from what is out there, this to me is something to be drn concerned about. >> always good to have you on. up next a 2016 kapd date take on the latest 2020 presidential hopeful. kamala harris. -ah, the old crew!
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us. as someone who went through a crowded presidential primary process, what do you make of the growing democratic field? with senator harris entering today. >> well, there's like 20 people talking about running again. and i understand that they're going to try to figure out way to have discussions or debates that will be different than the way we did it. which was crazy. i don't know how they'll do it. they'll have seating somehow. and discussions and we'll see how it works out. the interesting thing to follow is this, that where is the energy? a lot of people will tell you that the energy is on the left. and then you have other people that say if they go to somebody who is really on the left, significantly on the left, that won't work. they need to pick somebody moderate. it's going to be interesting discussion. because what we have to realize is the country is not left.
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the country is sort of center right. and that's going to be the big challenge for the democrats. where is the energy. if the energy is on the hard left, then i think it hurts their ability to win. but i think we have a long way to go for anything to be resolved. they'll talk about the message and raise the money. and be out there doing the events. it's early. some are getting out early. out into the race. >> not yet. one of the things that i guess another open question is does any candidate at this point does anyone know how to run against president trump? you have incredibly talented field of republicans last time around. yourself included. and people tried to take the high road. rubio tried to go toe to toe with trump. nothing seemed to work. do you think it's clear at this point how to campaign against
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president trump? >> well i think the first thing they'll think about is how they win the nomination. and that will include how they can get elected. how can they beat donald trump will be the issue, but the other issue is you have all the people running against. it becomes almost like a beauty pageant. you go out to iowa and test your message. they're all announcing in different venues trying to capture attention. get lightning in a bottle. i would say right now with the initially are thinking about is who am i competing against. who is my lane? who the are the people i have to beat? when i was a candidate i knew who was in my lane and what i needed to do. was never thinking about the general. in this case i think they'll think about the test is who can
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beat trump. do you go to the left or somebody moderate? it will be interesting. >> the household names some declare some not. warren, harris, biden. sanders. is now is there do you have anybody in your mind that on the democratic side might have the best chance of beating trump? in a general? >> the joe biden is an interesting candidate. the is issue is his age. even if he's older does he have something he's going to say or an idea to make him look fresh. age changed in politics and business and television and everything. you can be older. the question is can he look fresh. you never know who can catch fire. you have to keep your eye on all of them. what i don't want to do is take somebody we don't know yet is dismiss them. that's not fair.
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>> there's a long way to go. finally, we're approaching the 32nd day of the shut down. and martin luther king, jr. day. pence compared trumps push for a border wall to kings push for equality. is that appropriate? >> there's no connection. but two things, first of all the president created space. what he is proposed will not be acceptable. that's where negotiation begins. we'll see if the democrats who will be casting votes on a bolder plan, what i'm hoping they will sit down and quiet. that's what i did with the clinton administration for the long time. to negotiate in quiet and come out with something. it will ultimately everybody interest to be able to get the government open. >> appreciate you and your time. thank you. >> thank you. the government shutdown shut down continues there's a stand off in washington. that has americans divided.
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it was a confrontation that caused a fire storm across social media. involving different age groups and races outside the lincoln memorial last friday. we're learning more about it. was there a rush to judgment as to who was in the wrong? sarah side ner has the update. >> >> reporter: we're hearing from the chaperon of the catholic students who came face to face with native american elder. the chaperons are defending the actions of the students and putting the blame on this group of black men. hurling insults at the boys. >> in the middle of a native rally. where their dirty hat on. >> i can't believe they stayed and listened to the hatred that was being shouted at them. as a mother, it was horrible. horrible. >> our boys did nothing. no violence. they didn't attack the
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gentlemen. they stood there waiting for bus. >> a small group of black men who identify as he brew israel did say hateful things to everybody around them. the priests. and the students. they watched but do not engage. more and more gather and the taunting gets worse. >> incest babies. >> nick the student at the center of the viral video, says the rhetoric was startling. because we were being loudly attacked and taunted in public. a student asked one of the teachers for permission to begin school spirit chants to counter the hateful things being shouted at the group. at one point a student removes his shirt. riling up the crowd. two minutes later you hear a drum beat. that is where nay thon phillips the tribe elder and activist comings in. he's no stranger to conflict.
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he protested with thousands at standing rock against the pipeline. he had just attended the march and said he thought things were getting out of hand. he tried to use his native american music to quell the tension. >> there was a young group of young students that came there. and were offended by their speech. and it escalated into a ugly situation. that i found myself in the middle of. >> the kids dance and begin chanting. some do a tom hawk chop. something the native american community finds offensive. he move ts around the group. and comes face to face. i believe by remaining motionless and calm, i was helping to diffuse the situation. i realize everyone had cameras and that perhaps a group of adults was trying to provoke a
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group of teenagers into a large conflict. both have every opportunity to separate. neither do. the hue brew israel continue to taunt the kids. someone says you stole our land. and a catholic student from a different school responds. >> it's how it works. >> it seems like there's a will the of side in the story. is there consensus between the students and native americans as to what happened? >> the native americans and students see thinkings very differently. one thing they do agree on is the source of the tension that created this situation is fully put on the black men standing there who call themselves the he brew israel it.
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taunting and screaming. an hour before you see them come face to face. we have gotten new information. we have seen a letter that was sent to parents of the catholic school. of the students. basically they sent a letter saying we have started an independent third party investigation. into what happened. there in washington d.c. on this school sanctioned trip. they talk about the fact they involved the police and local authorities to make sure the students are safe. at least one of the students has said that he has been threatened and his family threatened. and concerned for his safety. we are getting that just now. information that there has been a letter sent it parents there is a third party investigation. however they didn't retract the statement that's been on the web site. since saturday. saying they do condemn the students behavior. toward the native americans in particular.
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tonight a cnn exclusive. when an allegation of criminal misconduct is made against an uber driver, including claims of sexual assault, there's a special unit at the ride-sharing company expected to investigate each claim. we've obtained an internal memo that raises a lot of concerns. our senior investigative correspondent drew griffin has been reporting on the dangers faced by uber passengers for more than a year. here's his new report. >> reporter: this internal report obtained exclusively by cnn says uber's siu or special investigations unit, manages nearly 1,200 cases per week. sources familiar with this unit say those cases include fights, serious traffic accidents, and deaths, but many of them involved sexual assaults, sexual misconduct, and rape by uber drivers. uber has responded to cnn saying the number in its own internal memo is not an accurate reflection of serious safety
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incidents that occur on the uber platform because it includes reports that, following investigation, are found to be unrelated to uber, withdrawn, and/or fraudulent, and adds we are working with experts to audit our safety incident data so that it can be responsibly released this year. cnn has been requesting the number of alleged rapes reported to uber for more than a year. a cnn investigation of public records, lawsuits, and police files last year exposed more than 100 documented cases where drivers were accused of sexually assaulting or abusing passengers. sources continue to tell cnn the true number of reported rapes to uber is much higher. a second cnn report detailed thousands of convicted criminals, even sexual offenders
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and felons, were approved to drive for uber. >> we're putting safety at the heart of everything we do. >> reporter: the company has launched several changes aimed at improving safety. >> with just a single tap, let loved ones know you're on your way. >> reporter: but former uber employees cnn spoke with say it's not enough, and the problem is much larger than uber is willing to publicly admit. uber's internal report completed in may, after cnn's expose, warns of the consequences should the full scope of the problem emerge. we know from the underreporting of incidents by cnn, the report concludes, the cost to the brand and reputation of uber by a single case can cost the company millions of dollars in lost revenue from riders who hold a lasting impression that we are unsafe and not worthy of their trust. the report was conducted to analyze workloads and stress levels of the 60 uber investigators and shows how the company struggled to handle the
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nearly 1,200 serious allegations of inappropriate or illegal conduct per week. one worker quoted in the report said the number of cases in a week is crazy. according to the document, the siu staff are mostly in their 20s and 30s, underpaid, overworked. some have little relevant experience according to a half dozen former uber employees cnn spoke with. one uber investigator went from being a starbucks shift manager to handling calls from victims. another was a kitchen manager at chipotle according to a review of online résumes though the report cites many have law enforcement investigations and military backgrounds. it says most love working for uber but also details the serious level of stress and anxiety. the staff directly interact with perpetrators and victims, discuss deeply disturbing sexual and other assaults. the report documents untreated depression and profound stress, requiring clinical care in at least six of its workers and warns of the potential for suicide. in the month since the report was done, uber tells cnn all key recommendations in the report
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have been acted upon or are in the process of being acted on, including counseling, better work schedules and conditions, improved training and hiring, more experienced investigators. uber says its transparency report detailing sexual assault and misconduct cases by uber drivers will be released this year once the audit process is over. but sources tell cnn uber could tell most of the story right now. one former manager telling cnn it's a technology company built on data. the numbers are known. >> drew griffin joins me now. since you started asking uber about their rape cases, they've made extensive safety changes. are your sources saying more could be done? >> yes. and you're right, anderson. uber has strengthened its background checks of u.s. drivers. it's launched some new safety features on its app. it says it's committed to safety. but former employees and managers say the company has the ability to do more, starting with a better acknowledgement of the sheer numbers and warning
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potential victims, women, about this issue. the company says that's all coming when it releases this transparency report sometime later this year. anderson. >> all right. drew griffin, thanks very much. we'll be right back. on tour, every second counts. i need great without the wait. new elvive rapid reviver deep conditioners. l'oréal's patented conditioners work fast with no leave-in time. enriched with damage-repairing serum. 2x easier detangling 2x less breakage than with a leading conditioner. works deep. repairs damage fast. hair's transformed instantly. new rapid reviver deep conditioners. elvive revives damaged hair. we're worth it. that strip mall sushi, well,t i'm a bit unpredictable. let's redecorate. whatsyamatter tanya, i thought you loved being spontaneous? i do. and if you've got the wrong home insurance coverage, i might break the bank too.
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the news continues. i want to turn things over to don lemon and "cnn tonight." hello, everyone. happy king day. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. thank you for joining us. we want to talk about where we are right now, two years into this trump presidency. so let's talk about where we stand on the shutdown, on the russia investigation, and this administration's wrong-headed comments on race ahead of this martin luther king jr. day, okay? we're going to begin with the shutdown. tonight is day 31. 800,000 federal workers on the verge of missing another paycheck. workers who, just like the rest of us, they have to feed their families. they have to pay their rent. airports especially hard hit right now with 10% of tsa screeners calling in sick and air traffic controllers warning
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