through or walk around. that's why i have doors in my house. i assume you do also. in other words, it's to protect people on the inside. i don't understand why it's so difficult to get. beyond what you all want to make a four-letter word wall when the president said to chuck schumer and since publicly call it what you want to call it. but let's secure our border. >> i never called it a wall. why did you call it a wall? who is calling it a wall? day ever say a wall? i didn't say a wall. i don't think i ever said a wall. time to say bye. or so long. or call it whatever you want. just keep talking. if you don't want to address the topic at hand, in other words, cuomo start nous. >> very well done, anderson. that did write itself. i am chris cuomo. now the president has create ed

a real crisis. a warning from five former homeland security chiefs including john kelly all tell ing the president and congress the nation cannot be kept safe if the shutdown continues. the warning gets worse. he can't even calculate the level of risk for travelers right now. and then instead of making a deal today, the president issued a dare to the speaker of the house saying cancel the state of the union address. she did. now what? we're going to talk to the cham of the caucus. and michael cohen, the former personal lawyer backed out of testifying before congress citing threats from president trump. was that the president's? let's get after it. tomorrow is supposed to be a big day. it's the first action in the senate since the president shut down the government over 33 days ago because of the wall.

there are going to be voting on two competing proposals. neither is expected to pass. and if not, that could mean big trouble. juunions for air traffic controllers, pilots, flight attendants put out a warning saying, quote, they can't even calculate the level at risk for the traveling public if this shutdown doesn't end. and president trump's own former chief of staff john kelly joined with four other dhs secretaries saying it's critical for national security that the homeland security department be funded. not to mention the damage this is doing to our economy. the president's own chief economist predicts the shutdown could wipe out all the growth that we have seen in the first quarter. meanwhile, the speaker of the house is still playing hardball. nancy pelosi is blocking the president from appearing before congress in the house to deliver the state of the union on tuesday. >> the state of the union speech

has been cancelled by nancy pelosi because she doesn't want to hear the truth. she doesn't want the american public to hear what's going on. and she's afraid of the truth. i think that's a great blotch on the incredible country that we all love. it's always good to be part of history, but this is a negative part of history. >> it's a negative part of history all right. this is the longest shutdown in history. while you can debate the tactic, the truth is she's saying end the shutdown and then you can come and talk for as long as you want. a source inside a meeting at the white house says the president did not signal how he will proceed if the dualing bills fail tomorrow, which is what's expected. he's not planning on caving any time soon. that's the word. so is there any way out of this mess? let's ask the chairman of the house democrat cannic caucus, good to have you on prime time. >> first question.

do you agree with the tactic of nancy pelosi, no state of the the union, at least not in the house to a joint session of congress until you end the shutdown? >> there's uniform support in the house democratic caucus for the position that speaker pelosi has taken, which is simple. open up the government and then we can return to some degree of normalcy, which will allow the president to deliver the state of the union address. but given the fact that you have coast guard folk who is are working without pay, you have border patrol agents working without pay, tsa agents working without pay, the fbi working without pay, more than 800,000 americans in total either f furloughed or working without pay. the economy increasingly being damaged adversely. now is not the time for the president to trot himself up to capitol hill and act like everything is normal. when americans are suffering as a result of the reckless trump shutdown.

>> let's flip the sscenario for second. what can you say to o guarantee the president that you guys would make a deal that includes substantial funding for physical barriers along the border. i'm not going to play the word game. i don't perpetuate it. he believes his only leverage is if he keeps the government shutdown. >> the one thing that's clear is the american people overwhelmingly agree with our position, which is that a shutdown is not a legitimate negotiating tactic when there's a public policy dispute between two separate and coequal branches of government. had said he would be proud to shut down the government. he's blaming everyone but himself. our position has been pretty simple. reopen the government and then we can have a mature discussion about border security and how to go about fixing a broken immigration system in a

bipartisan way. to reopen the government and tomorrow's case to fund the department of homeland security at current funding levels based on the amount allocated through february 28th, which will give us about a motto try to see if we can come to a bipartisan agreement about how to move forward. that seems to be a responsible position. >> so we hear that the white house has been doing research into how much pain through march. are democrats willing to let the government shutdown for that long? >> we're search iing for responsible partners. one of the developments that occurred is mitch mcconnell has finally exited the witness protection program and at least showing signs of life and allowing bills to hit the floor of the senate for a vote

tomorrow. i'm still cautiously optimistic that there may be an opportunity for the continuing resolution that will be presented tomorrow to find some bipartisan support, if not get to 60 votes. as the president and the white house have themselves signalled, it will be difficult for them to take this reckless approach down the road once the government is reopened. now anything is possible with this president because he masters in chaos, crisis and confusion. having got through a shutdown, we're overwhelmingly the american people said this is an irresponsible approach and as you know, increasingly he's losing support amongst evangelicals. he's losing support amongst noncollege educated white voters. he's losing support amongst the reagan democrats in michigan and other parts of the country that helped to contribute to his victory. it would be difficult once we

get the government back open. >> let me talk to you about you. you're a leader now with the democrats. you like a colorful turn of phrase. you have had one that's been ace chasting you around. let me play some sound for people. >> we have a hater in the white house. the birther in chief, the grand wizard of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> wolf blitzer in the past has asked me whether i believe the be the is a racist and i have consistently said no. i did use a colorful phrase, but i don't believe that the president is a card carrying member of the kkk. >> what were you going for by calling him the grand wizard? >> i do not believe that donald trump is a card carrying member of the kkk. however, he does have a long and inappropriate history of racially inflammatory behavior.

in the 1970s he presided over the trump organization that was sued by the nixon justice department for racial discrimination against thousands of black and latino housing applicants. in the 1980s he led the lynch mob that went after the central park five, young men, wrongfully accused and convicted, wrongfully imprisoned for a crime they did not commit for five years. donald trump perpetrated the racist lie that barack obama was not born in the united states of america to delegitimize the first black president in the united states of america and then became president. in the aftermath of charlottesville led by knneonaz and. white sup prel cysts indicated that there were fine people on both sides on and orphan and on. >> i have the list in realtime.

>> i'm saying away you laid out, why don't you own ait and say i said it. you know why i say it. i'm not backing off it. why back off at all? >> i have been clear that i have no regrets about making the analogy i made because i think we need to have a candid discussion about race at least on martin lieutenauther king da sometimes that discussion will be uncomfortable. but i also understand that many people throughout this country are of the view that we should give the president the benefit of the doubt, any president including this one and i believe in redemption. so i want to call it like i sigh it as it relates to cataloging the parade of horribles that i partially laid out.

in trying to bring about justice. >> can president trump's administration pass the first step act and him still be a bigot in your opinion? >> all i'll do is lay out some of the behavior we have seen, which is clearly irresponsible. we have to be able to grapple with that. it's painful for people in the american community and people of good will, americans of every race to have to deal with the president that at times appears to pedal and fan the flames of hatr hatred, including in connection with this issue that we're having right now related to the shutdown. that's a very painful thing for a lot of communities. by the same token in the magic of america and the ability of people to come together, which is why we just want as house

democrats to get beyond the shutdown fight we're in so we can focus on the types of things like protecting people with preexisting conditions or real bipartisan infrastructure, cleaning up the mess in washington. we're hopeful we'll find partners on the other side of the aisle, including with the administration. >> appreciate you catching us up on the state of play and explain whag you said and why. always appreciate it. thank you, sir. >> thank you, chris. what's the reality with the shutdown b? tired, overworked staff, no pay, the employees who are tasked with keeping us safe when we fly, the man b overseeing them says the system is in danger. this is not hype. this is reality. it's not just about numbers. it's about reality. we're going to talk to him, next, and hear why he said he needed to come on and speak to you. kick off the new year

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workers are sucking up no pay and no hope. tonight union reps for air traffic controllers warn it's about real danger, not just the money. paul roal day is the president of the air traffic controllers association. i know this is an urgent matter for you. welcome to prime time. my time is your time. what do you want people to know? >> thanks for having me on, chris. 33 days without your whole safety team at work introduces risk into our safety system. we're talking about our quality assurance, we're talking about our training people, our tactical support, we're talking about people that will fix the equipment as it has gone down, which it has. now it has gone from fix on fail to fix when we open the government. this inserts risk into a system that we shouldn't be inserting risk. we should be pulling it out of the system. >> let's deal on some pushback. we know it sucks working without pay. but it will be all paid back to

you so it's okay. is it just about money? is it about being short staffed? how do you quantify the problem? >> so it's about everything. air traffic controllers can only work ten hours a day, six days a week because it is a high stress occupation. >> they work ten hours a day, six days a week? >> that's the maximum they can work. and we are so short staffed and many of our busy facilities across the country that's what they are working. now you take it where they are not having their extra people there to do training, to do support, to do quality assurance. >> why don't they have them? >> because they are deemed nonessential. our reporting systems that are in place but over ten years now that have built this remarkable safety system is not being processed properly. we have a concern that if this continues on another pay period,

another month, we have heard months, we have heard years, this is a deep concern. now take in place of what we have with our staffing crisis. we're at a 30-year low of fully certified controllers. let's just take new york. new york, the busiest air space in the world. our one facility, our radar r m room, they are at 52% of their staffing of fully certified controllers of that 52% 40 are eligible to retire. if they it retire because they are sick of coming to work and not getting a paycheck and want to wait tables to put food on the table, we won't be able to run the volume of traffic we do in new york, which will be cascading delays throughout the entire system. this is a deep concern. the government needs to hoopen . the votes tomorrow are very important. give us the february 8th. we're not being greedy.

get these people back to work. get them paid. >> what do you say to the o politicians who say we can't. we'll never get the wall if we lose the leverage. >> listen, our national air space system is an economic engine for this country. $1.5 trillion in gross domestic product yearly. 11 million well-paying jobs. it moves packages and people from all over the world. we cannot allow this to be reduced to 50%. it's going to affect everybody from wall street to main treatmestreet. we're starting to see it. here in washington, d.c., your taxi drivers, coffee shops, sandwich shops, they are going a month now with not the income they are expecting to have buzz of the shutdown. it's absurd. >> have you ever seen anything like it? >> i have not. we jointly put that letter together not to put fear into anybody, but to say we are concerned. risk is getting into the system.

we cannot quantify it yet. but if i have controllers, and i have so many said heartbreaking stories i'm getting, that they can't choose to come to work because they can't put more money on their credit card for gas because they want to save it for food for family because thaw don't know how long this is going to last. >> when can you start making a determination that it's not safe to fly? that we have to reduce traffic. >> so first thing we're going to do is slow the traffic. if we don't have controllers, we'll see less volume of airplanes. air traffic controllers will do everything in the world to main than that high safety level. when you look at our equipment is not being fixed. equipment that we're relying on to make sure airplanes line up on the right surface they are supposed to land on opposed to a taxi way or different runway occupied by an airplane. this is critical equipment that has stopped being deployed and is not being fixed.

equipment like being able to relay to the pilot that the weather is ahead. radars have gone down. that's how we get our weather information from the radar systems. this is a deep concern. and it can't go on for months and the biggest toll i have right now is the human toll. the fatigue in my work environment right now where i'm seeing routine mistakes are happening because they are thinking about which credit cards can i consolidate. who is giving you a break on your phone bill. which company is helping you to skip your mortgage. these conversations are happening in the work environment because the stress is getting very high. >> this time is is your time. we're trying to bring these stories. frankly, none of them are on the

scale of what you're dealing with. we'll be in touch. thank you for the opportunity. i'll come on any time. >> so how does this end? if it's really just about the wall, and it's not about making a deal without the wall, what can the president do? here hearing he's looking into executive action, not declaring a national emergency, but. other statute to get the wall built if they can't reach a deal. can you do that? what's the legality? what's the practicality? that's next. nasty nightime heartburn? try alka-seltzer pm gummies. the only fast, powerful heartburn relief, plus melatonin so you can fall asleep quickly. oh, what a relief it is!

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of the air traffic controllers association tell you that he can't guarantee how long the skies will be safe if this shutdown continues. is that worth a wall? that's a starting point for our great debate. paul begala, steve cortez, hearing that guy, did that give you a different perspective on the urgency of ending this? >> i think there is an urgency to end it. and i agree. i think aviation that's probably the flash point. that's why i think it's time. speaker pelosi has shown us with her pettiness at not honoring the ritual of our democracy that we have done for a century, the state yoft union. she's shown us she's not willing to negotiate in good faith. i think the president has no alternative but to give the state of the union somewhere else, far away from washington, from the bureaucrats of the beltway.

give it in the heartland. it's time for him to declare a national -- it's time for him to declare a national emergency. he has to. >> here's the thing. >> he has to use executive power. he has to do it. we have a crisis at the border. and the only way to sofl that crisis is to give law enforcement the tools they need, one of which is a wall that they are desperately asking for. >> you're laying that out there. let me get paul in. take on that as you will. there was a lot there. >> well, first, president trump's first address to a joint session of congress, do you know when that was? february 28th. there's nothing magical about him doing january 28th. he could do it in february b. it's moshlly wrong to take the secret service agents, 5,000 of them not being paid. you don't want one of those people for one minute to be worried about anything other than protecting the life of our president and the other protect tees they are sworn to protect.

there's very good reasons to put this off. once again, nancy pelosi has shown she knows what the heck she's doing. the frustrating thing here is that just a few weeks ago, donald trump agreed to a bill that the senate passed every single republican voted for it that it funds the government and then we can go debate a wall or a barrier or fence in the regular order. then what changed? ann coulter and rush limbaugh started attacking him and he folded like a cheap suit. it's embarrassing. there's something about this guy. hillary clinton, ann coulter and nancy pelosi, he folds when women take him on, which i find very interesting. >> the idea of -- here's the problem. i get the idea of the president saying my only leverage is this shutdown. the problem is he's making pain a currency. if the democrats reward that, we see how that's gone in the past. if you declare a national emergency, you're setting a precedent that somebody will use against you. you know the mcconnell warning.

you'll regret this day that the president who is a democrat says, you don't want to give me this. i'm declaring it a national emergency. you want that? >> i agree. i'm a federalist and a constitutionalist and don't like that kind of executive power. i didn't like it when president obama did it. however, having said that, i was going to say i think it's necessary now. who cares what i think. listen to the people on the ground guarding the front door of america. people in arizona who tell us when he was asked is there a cry sets, he told "the new york times" there's been a crisis at the border for three decades. >> numbers are down. >> no, the numbers are not down in terms of minors coming, in terms of family units coming. there's chaos at the border. that's not my opinion. that's the opinion of the sheriffs on the ground. that's the opinion of customs and border protection.

it's also the sad reality of angel families all over america who have it live with the very real world consequences of terrible crimes. >> there are a hundred places to start before a border wall to make us safer. paul begala, get in here. >> if this is been a crisis for 33 years, two of those years with the republicans controlling the house. republicans controlling the senate and republicans controlling the white house. if trump was that certain about it on the merits, he would have passed it in his first two years when he had his party in complete control of the federal government. it's a political ploy to satisfy his base and to rev up that minority that 35% of americans who just love him, as he goes into the mueller crisis. that's the real crisis here. it's dropping every day. it's a terrible strategy. he's an awful strategist. nancy pelosi is running rings around him. it's all about politics. democrats had already offered him $25 million for his stupid

wall in may. by the time they drove down there, he flaked on it because the right wingers touted. he's playing politics. >> steve? >> i agree it's about politics. the politics are that nancy pelosi and democrats hate donald trump so much they will -- >> they hate the idea of a wall as a panacea for a complex set of problems chrmany of which th wall -- if you build the wall, crime will fall. >> it will fall. that doesn't mean crime will be eliminated, it will fall. here's the thing about illegal alien crime. you're right, we have a lot of crime in the united states. there's ways we can and should address that. but illegal alien crime is 100% preventable in every single case. we just had over the weekend the arrest of an illegal alien b who killed an elderly couple in nevada. this is very real world pain.

one of the tools to fight that kind of else legality and pain is a bored wall. >> you apply that rational to no other type of crime prevention in this country. the idea that something is 100% preventable is poverty. hunger in the richest country in the world. no urgency like that on those issues though. you get people jobs. you create programs and. bring the economy up the way you said you were going to. >> that's a great strategy there. you starve these countries. then you create environments on the ground where they can blow up. then you stand back and watch them burn. what are we going to do there now? come on, steve. >> blaming the united states for the problems of central america -- >> i'm not doing that. don't spin me on my own show. i'm saying cutting funding will make it worse. this debate is going to continue, unfortunately.

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nothing can be scarier than the truth. you just heard the head of the air traffic controllers on prime time say i can't even calculate the level of risk. if this keeps going on, it may not be safe to fly. my next guest is a former navy helicopter pilot and a new democratic representative from new jersey. congresswoman mikey sheryl joins me now. >> thank you for having me on the show. our air traffic controllers are just as worried as he is. >> it's got the crew here shaken us. we hadn't heard anything like that 52% capacity. they are not get.

ing their radar fixed. as a congresswoman, but also as somebody who understands the air traffic game as a pilot, what does that mean to you? >> well, it's really scary. as a pilot knowing how much you depend on air traffic controllers, knowing how much you understand the weather wrou going to be facing as you're flying, that's critically important. also as somebody who has operated in high stress environments like our air traffic controllers do. when i was in the navy, to have this added stress on our controllers not know whg their next paycheck is coming, how they are going to take care of their family. then you add in the layer of the air traffic controllers, we heard about 20% of them are eligible for retirement. and if they start retiring now, how that's going to create problems.

>> so that takes us to the shutdown. et we watched your race. you're hit with the status quo. are you on board with the democrats' strategy to this point about standing firm until the government is reopened? >> i do completely agree with the idea. we first got to get government open. as i mentioned, i was back in the district hearing the stories from people there about how much this is harming them and how much it's harming their families. we have seen today the coast guard talking to his men and women to see that and the suffering that our public servants are going through . to hear again and again about how this is harming our economy, our families, the public service, we have got to get the government open o. it's what we owe people in this country. it's the job of congress. that's what i came down here to do. so i'm very happy with that. but i do think we're hearing

that there is money that people want to spend on border security on both sides of the aisle. we're hearing it from leadership. >> you're not against physical barriers being built? >> we already have physical bare yers on our border. if we need more -- >> they said they need more. >> i have heard that. i also would like to discuss how we're spending our border security money in some of the larger ports of industry. so we have some of the larger ports of industry in entry in this country. that's a critical area. if we're talking about infrastructure project, i would like to be talking about what we're spending on the gateway tunnel. that's a critical infrastructure project in my area as well. >> another issue for you. michael cohen says i want to testify. i'm coming forward to testify. i us can't testify. the president is intimidating me. he's referring to comments like this. >> did he make a deal to keep his wife out of trouble?

>> he should give information on his father-in-law because that's the one that people want to look at. >> what is his father-in-law's name? >> i don't know, but you'll find out. >> so it's okay to go after the father-in-law? >> of course, it is. it's the father-in-law is a criminal, he may have ties to something called organized crime. >> do you agree with michael cohen's reasonable fear he's being intimidated by the president and his council? >> certainly in watching those clips, my old office would have been concerned for my witness and looking into whether our witness was being tampered with. i think there's some evidence there that you could make that case. so i think that bares further investigation. >> him saying i can't testify. it's too scary. the members of the committees that want to talk to him seemed fairly even on it. we get it. we don't like these tactics, but we don't to want to reward the tactic either. are they going to subpoena somebody who is afraid for his family? >> it means that they are going

to have to figure out a way to keep cohen and his family safe while at the psalm time getting his testimony. they are working with law enforcement agencies now on that very project. i think what we'd all really like to see here is mueller's investigation. i think we're all hoping that that is going to be coming out because we know he's had many investigations with mr. cohen. we know that cohen was want cooperating with mueller and his investigation. i think that could help us understand what is going on here and further areas that we might need to look into. >> we know the mueller probe is considering public statements made by the president and those around him as part of the matrix of obstruction of justice. so these will be looked at that way as well. congresswoman, you have so many former navy pilot, thank you for putting all those hats on for us. >> thank you for having me.

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i have never seen anything like this before. this no call on this pass inter. feerns play. between the saints and the rams. it was a close game. but you don't have to be a football fan or former player to know that guy doesn't just target him with his mheld met ad just blow through the guy with a catchable pass, that game very easily could have gone the other way. the saunts wound up losing in overtime. now furious saints fans are sue ing the nfl. some of it is tongue and cheek. the mental anguish surely isn't. loss of enjoyment of life. it's even inspiring bipartisan ship in d.c. look at this. louisville democratic congressman is calling for nfl commissioner roger goodell to answer for what happened here on capitol hill. republican steve scalise agreeing with the cause. let's bring in our resident expert d. lemon.

he's waving me away. >> this is show interference. i was so mad! the saints were robbed. >> biassed. >> the saints were robbed. wait a minute. the saints were robbed. >> i'm sorry. we'll stop it. >> listen, they were robbed. >> i have never seen anything like it. >> it was my hometown team. i couldn't go home and watch it. do we have picture of me? >> enough of the pictures. let's talk about the players. >> soifs excited. they let me on the field. i got a picture with the owner. so i love the saints. they were robbed. >> is that your nephew? >> i was going to say something, but that was really bad that would have o got me in trouble. but i can't. >> what do you make of d.c.? do you see unity in tragedy?

>> i see if it brings people together, yeah. >> take progress where you find it. might as well be something good. that was a terrible play. >> that's the whole reason. to be honest with you, i don't know stats or scores. if you and i are hanging out, i'll turn and say what's that guy's name again. ? oh shut up. but it's something seriously that brings people together. you sit there and root for the team, you cheer, you have a couple cocktails or wings. >> both. >> so here's the beauty of it. some things are just wrong. >> that's wrong. >> when you see them, you know it. and you strip away all these stupid agendas so even rams fans have to know that was a wrong play. >> they had to move the ref out of the hotel downtown. >> that's always taken it.

it was targeting with his head. he rammed right into him with his head. they are supposed to stop those plays. he never looked back at the quarterback, clearly he had decided this guy's going to catch this ball. i have to go for broke. and he was betting on a flag, and he shouldn't have gotten it. he didn't even turn around and say, no flag, no flag. >> you know what, chris? >> what? >> they can do a do-over. there's recourse. seriously. they actually could. >> they're not going to do a do-over. they may make it so you can review plays when there isn't a flag thrown. anyway, i wanted to try and get something positive out of it and mess with you a little, which is always a bonus. >> boy, i'm going to get you so good. i can't wait for it. >> don't be like that. >> hey, listen, people think they understand this whole shutdown thing. like how we got here. they really don't. the more i start quizzing people and i ask them what they know,

they don't really know about it. what we're going to do is we're going to break it down for you. tom foreman is going to do it. he's going to the virtual room to break it down for people in a simplistic way. >> beautiful. good for you, d. lemon. i'll see you in a second. >> see you both sides, cuomo. all right. so something has happened here. we got another indication of where the president's head is, another echo of it once again from his own family. his daughter-in-law is taking heat for her comments on the shutdown, deservedly so. you know me, i don't like to involve family in politics. but we're seeing something that is an echo of a reality. the argument is next. ♪ there goes our first big order. ♪ 44, 45, 46... how many of these did they order? ooh, that's hot. ♪ you know, we could sell these. nah.

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dynamic right now with this shutdown, and it is painfully real. >> it's not fair to you, and we all get that. but this is so much bigger than any one person. it is a little bit of pain, but it's going to be for the future of our country. >> that's donald trump's daughter-in-law. a little bit of pain? that's the disconnect of the haves and the have nots. our air traffic controllers are saying they can't assure flight safety. people who depend on every paycheck are two checks short. and for many, that money means health as much as wealth. cory millen beck, time reports he reports for the u.s. geological survey. his baby girl had to have open-heart surgery among other procedures. the bills are rolling in. he says he's now putting off doctors appointments. he says his hair is falling out from the stress. mallory lorge works for the u.s. fish and wildlife services. she's diabetic, rationing her insulin, going to bed, hoping she wakes up okay in the morning. this is yvette hicks, a security

officer at the national air and space museum. she says her kids can't get proper asthma treatment because she can't pay for it. this is not about one trump. it's about what the family seems to represent. don junior put out a message that you can enjoy a day at the zoo because walls work. the family is not the problem. they're just echos of the president. remember, he said this about the shutdown. >> i can relate, and i'm sure that the people that are on the receiving end will make adjustment. they always do, and they'll make adjustment. people understand exactly what's going on. but many of those people that won't be receiving a paycheck, many of those people agree 100% with what i'm doing. >> wrong. most do not agree with what you are doing. most agree the shutdown needs to end. here are the polls.

37%, that's all they say is building a wall necessary to secure. 37%. what does that tell you? 63% go the other way. 28% say that, sure, a wall for a shutdown, great thing. 28%. now, are the numbers higher with just republicans? yes, much higher. but the president represents all of the people, including those who are hurting. he always says he's the president for everyone. his policies just rarely show it. and this is the most painful example of that to date. a wall that he made up, that mexico would never pay for, that solves none of the problems that the president exaggerates in selling you this fugazi crisis. and then he thinks if he comes up with a catchy rhyme, you'll buy it. build a wall, and crime will fall. apparently his gift for wit is second only to his sense of empathy. how about, if you'd gotten mexico to pay, everything would be okay? or if you stop lying, your poll

numbers won't have you crying. bottom line, the shutdown is supposedly okay because we have a border crisis that demands a wall. that has never been true. the truth is potus doesn't have to invent crises anymore. he's made a real one, a shutdown he promised you on national tv, the longest we've ever had. people are suffering over something that only matters at the end of the day to trump. keeping a promise that started as a sales gimmick, and now he's willing to hurt so many just to say he delivered on that promise. if this doesn't end soon, a comparison to marie antoinette may be the best he can get. it rhymes, so it must be true. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" with d. lemon starts right now. >> you know it was a mnemonic device to keep him on message because, as reported, they were concern that he would veer and stray off message. so they came up with the build a wall thing because it was easy

for him to say. and then, you know, now he's stuck with it. >> sam nunberg and roger stone, the bright lights of the trump campaign. >> one of those guys was on tv tonight still defending birtherism. i think it was corsi. it's like, oh, my gosh. is this -- who are these people? >> they play to advantage. >> no. >> fear sells. >> no, no, no. i think some of those people believe it. i think it's idiocy. you don't think they believe it? >> look, i'm saying this universe of people we're talking about around trump, no. we know they don't believe it. even corsi loves a good conspiracy, but i think he loves them as a method of persuasion. i think he's too smart, too ed educated to buy that b.s. >> well, some people are still saying, hey, if you look at the original 1961 birth certificate -- come on. >> it's crap. >> it is crap. back to the shutdown