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there were a lot of tears, a lot of prayers. you have most of us would like to think we're, you know, big macho guys, but when it comes to a three-year-old child, you know, that's somebody's baby. >> yes, it is. smerconish is next. i'm michael smerconish in friday. we welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. the government is back in business, well for three weeks at least, meanwhile, get me roger stone, said robert mueller and the unpaid fbi workers obliged. stone indicted for obstruction, false statements and witness tampering remains defiant. has mueller met his match in the dapper dirty trickster? and like many americans, one businessman was confounded by the outcome of the 2016 election. unlike most, this millionaire is spending money to find out what
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voters really want. will richard haik richard haig run for president plus. >> ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can for your country. >> jfk's inaugural address encouraged people to sign up for public service, will that survive today where we found servants not get paid for a month. a new series featuring the declutter expert marie kondo is trying to help us let go. first i went to an orgythere once. that was roger stone's answer. i think mine was not the only hotel he'd have said that i have known roger stone for decades. he has been here on cnn.
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okay, he now funds himself on the receiving end of a seven-count indictment from robert mueller for obstruction, false statement and witness tampering. notably, stone was not indicted for collusion or more accurately conspiracy. okay the feds can charge in succession so more charges may be forthcoming. the 24-page indictment i know does not put him in direct contact with wikileaks or russians. he has already signaled he will vigorously defend himself. i suggest yesterday was the best and worst day of roger stone's life. he is where he has always wanted to be, in the thick of political controversy. that's who he is. he was a sometime of donald sagretti in the 1962 nixon campaign. roger stone wears his badge of honor he was called before the watergate grand jury at age 19. no wonder then on his back he has a large tattoo of richard nixon or that he flashed a
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nixonian v for victory. he has been open as a practitioner of the dark arts of politics. his legend is the stuff of celluloid fame. there is a documentary about him. he's been at it a half century. for much of that time, he has been the friend of the now pvt.. how close? the men attended one and another's weddings. stone hasn't shied away from microphones, knowing his conduct was under scrutiny. he has openly taunted robert mueller and arguably exposed himself to legal jeopardy answering questions from journalists like me. last november 3rd, i asked roger stone if he expected to be indicted. >> what i have done here is perfectly legal. i took a solid tip and entirely public information that can be gleaned from the wikileaks twitter feed and sending a
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google news alert on julian assange and reading every interview to hype and punk and promote and pasture and pluf bl the democrats. that's politics. >> i'm happy to hear the full explanation, what's the answer to my question, do you think are you about to get indicted? >> the decision is made on the basis of everyday and facts and truth the answer would be no if this is a political vendetta, anything is probable. >> of course, it's one thing to engage in hyping, punking, promoting and bluffing and speaking to the media, another is to do it under oath. that's the essence of these charges that stone lied when he said he did not have particular e-mails or documents or texts, he testified falsely or engaged in witness tampering. unlike paul manafort, there is no allegation here that stone lined his pockets or avoided paying taxes, no allegation of
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any direct contact with russian hackers or july dwran assange, nor any claim in the indictment of direct contact with the president as it relates to these charges, although, there is an intriguing reference to a senior trump campaign official having been directed to contact stone. i'm not dismissing the significant of a federal indictment. but these are process crimes and don't go to the underlying question of possible collusion between the trump campaign and russians. and stone could arguably have avoided some of his current legal peril when asked specific questions by saying, he didn't recall. instead, for example, stone gave an emphatic no when asked whether he'd texted an intermediary to wikileaks. the special counsel claims, there were actually frequent written communications. maybe stone lied. maybe he forgot. or maybe he wanted this fight? the only thing worse for roger
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stone than being indicted is fought being indicted. that's who he is. >> i'm an act provocateur. >> political strategist. >> controversial as you can get. >> an incredible capacity for treachery. >> win at all cost mentality. >> when people think washington corruption, they think of roger stone. >> those who say i have no soul, those who say i have no principles are losers, those are bitter losers. >> that was some of the terrific documentary get me roger stone, co-directed by my next guest, dylan bank. here is roger describing one of dylan's colleagues. >> this gentleman is doing a documentary. he's one of those dangerous, liberal left wing "new york times" comees. >> dylan, you spent five.5 years on this documentary. what did you learn about roger stone that would surprise people who are watching us now? >> i think a lot of people would
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be surprised to learn how much roger considers it to be professional wrestling, that one of the ways that he is able to let himself be so vicious and so outlandish is because he's emotionally detached from it a little bit. so you are hanging out with him or when you are with his family, he's a up many more normal personal person than you might expect from his online and public persona. >> well, there is a lot of reference being made today to creditco's dog and what roger was saying or not saying about the dog or the franky frantangeli line from the "godfather," that sort of meets the m-o you are describing. >> that's very ironic. that's one thing roger stone publicly accused him of doing, killing another person's pet. there we finds in the indictment he has supposedly done the very same thing. >> you saw that clip, roger says
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i'm a bser, that's what i do. i can understand him mournting that for the defense for the things he was saying publicly. what it begs for me as a lawyer is the question of why go under oath when called before a congressional committee or the grand jury for mueller, why say something that's clearly at odds with the paper trail? what insight do you have on that? >> that's what's so surprising to me about this whole thing is that roger was so uncareful about his threats and his alleged lies. even in the nixon days, everybody knew you had to meet in a dark alley and weren't recorded. if these allegations were true, roger wrote some things that would obviously backfire on him and hit send. for someone so savvy, this is the part that's so shocking to me. >> are you going as far as to say i insinuated in my commentary that maybe roger has been angling for exactly this
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kind of a showdown with mueller? >>. >> i haven't found that kind of level off machiavellian level. he bumps into things and says that was his master plan. he has seven going, six bomb. people make fun of him for. one turns into the president of the united states. he claims it was his plan all along. in this case for trump he actually was. >> i heard a number of comparisons made to michael cohen's predicament. i think there are a number of differences between the two. here's one i want to hear you react to do you believe that roger stone knows where the trump bodies are buried or unlike michael cohen, tuning he's someone who was a professional and friendly acquaintance of the president but always at arm's length? >> well, i don't know of anyone who had quite the dirt on somebody more than their personal lawyer and their fixer. but roger has a to quote, get me
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roger stone. roger and trump have gotten married and divorced more times you can counted. roger and donald feuded many teams in public. what roger discuss when he feuds is open six research. he knew people like roy cohen, donald trump's lawyer at the time and he has other insider information. so it's possible roger has some oop six research on donald trump. that's something we can speculate through roger's general m-o. >> a friend of mine said that roger stone yesterday said he would never flip on donald trump and this friend was saying to me, doesn't that imply he's got something on which he could be flipping? and i pointed out that what roger actually said was he would not pare false witness against donald trump. i think there is a distinction there. but address, if you would the issue of whether he ever turn
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the table on donald trump? >> it seems even when he got fired/quit from the campaign right after the first republican debate. he still endlessly filled donald trump. he became the bulldog in the alley screaming lock her up. it was ironically turned lock him up. roger couldn't help but laugh at the irony. >> dylan, one other subject, if i may, this is maybe me paying too much attention to his books, stone rules. you know the debate about the way in which he was taken into custody and the fact that cnn had footage of it i think because of some pretty smart veckive journalists. i found it ironic that some of the critics of cnn would say, aha, mueller must have given
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them a tip. i don't know about you, but knowing roger the way i think i do. my first reaction was that the person who wanted that footage shot was roger. because he's now got the image, i'm sure we are about to hear a description of quote/unquote jack booted thugs coming with arms drawn to make an apprehension of someone that didn't even have a passport. did that thought occur to you? >> this will be a tough one for roger to spin in his favor. >> that doesn't mean he will try. he has had plenty of time to prepare for this. so it wasn't such a great scoop for cnn to rush out there. they didn't need to have some massive tip. as he said, he needed good reporting. as roger said was going to happen to him. because roger has had so much time to plan for it. i'm sure he has planned for the worst case scenario, how can i spin that into a great segment on info wars?
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>> this is going to be a very interesting showdown, mueller and stone. dylan, thank you. i really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. let's see what you got in terms of social media reaction. stone loves being the ringmaster in the largest circus on earth. rick, that's my point. that's why i said yesterday was probably the worst day the guy's ever had and kind of the best. what else do we have? overkill with roger stone arrest. could have just had him self surrender like manafort. you know, radio listeners said that to me, steve, yesterday. you look at at that footage and say at worst, he's a white collar criminal, what threat can he pose? they were there to execute a search warrant as well so i certainly understand the law enforcement perspective, which is one of, you are going into a man's castle. you don't know what the hell you will find. nor how he or someone else who might be under that roof is
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going to react. i think that's the responds. once more, do we have a tweet? smerconish, after the indictment of roger stone, what did the president know and when did he know it? >> yeah, there is that intriguing paragraph about stone having been directed or someone having been directed to go to roger stone. you got to say this? 24 pages, i got the indictment right here. there is not a direct link as many would like there to be one. up ahead, i'll ask a member on the topic, should public service be required of young americans? i want to know what you think. will you please go to my website, smerconish.com. should public service be a requirement of young americans? i'll give you the results at the end of the program and as the field of democrats running for president gets more and more crowded, the potential 2020 contender you never heard of,
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in the crowded 2020 democratic field, that includes the ceo of starbucks and the mayor of south bend, indiana, there could be another wildcard waiting to be dealt amount millionaire that claims he personally knows what the middle class wants. meet richard vague, a 52-year-old philadelphia businessman who made millions in natural gas and banking, now mansion a venture capital company. he spent the past year personally conducting two focus groups with middle class voters in six battleground states, trying to get past partisan politics. richard, what did you find in your focus groups? >> what we found, and, thanks, michael for having me. but what we found was the single
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most important thing to voters, to middle class voters, was their existing health care insurance plan, where there deductibles and premiums and co-pays go up seemingly every year, this was true whether they were republicans or democrats or independents. it was a standout issue, much more than important than aca, by the way, which touches really a small minority of these folks. another thing we learned is that folks have jobs. in some cases they have two or three jobs. but they're not jobs where they see real opportunity for advancement over time. the kind of where they will economically. if you have rising health care costs, a job that's not going anywhere financially, you are in a vice. that was the experience of most of the folks that we saw. you know, and another thing that came out prominently was the opioid crisis. it seemed to touch almost
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everyone and every one of these groups, whether somebody in their family or a co-worker. it's the biggest addiction crisis in u.s. history. >> so you were sitting there on election night, watching the returns come in, 2016, dumb founded by the outcome, many were caught unaware of how that thing was going to turn out, in your case, you decide, i'm out of touch, i need to go out there, i'm willing to spend money and figure out what really drove that result. to what end? what are you seeking to do in a bigger picture? >> well, just as you said, i knew what the media was telling me voters wanted, but i wanted a first-hand knowledge of that. and as i have gone through this process, it's increasingly clear that we feed to be focused in a laser-like way on the middle class and it's really the kitchen table issues of the middle class that matter most. job training to get better jobs. you know, health care, a plan
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that makes health care more affordable, real relief from the opioid crisis, things that touch them in their daily lives. as i went through that, i saw that the field isn't really that focused on that, and if i don't see a candidate emerging that is going to do that, that's something that i will consider myself. >> in other words, you are willing to write a check and get involved as a candidate, run for president, if you don't believe someone else is willing to quote/unquote apply a laser focus to the middle class? >> the middle class needs our attention and our support and our health. america, america is the kind of place where we do big things. we can step out. we can be bold on the health care side. we can be bold on the job training side. i think we need to be training a million people a year. there's that kind of need out there in the united states. i think we need to do bold
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things on the addiction side. if someone is out there that's willing to step out in that manner, that would be great. if not, it's something i really will consider seriously. because it's needed. it's where our priority ought to be. >> final question. so, 22 focus groups that you paid for in six different states, are there regional difference surface are there demographic differences? i'm really asking, is there good news? are there common denominators out there that don't get enough of a spotlight? >> you know, it's a great question. i expected differences and found very little. you know, the folks i met with, republicans, independents, democrats, are terrific folks. folks you want to hang out with. they have pretty much the same issues. the health care insurance issues is just as prominent on the republican side. i'll tell you something else, you know, these are good folks and they're concerned, frankly,
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about the way the parties are treating each other. so one other thing we need to bring is a graciousness of spirit, a humanity. we need to stop criticizing each other and start getting things done. >> that's actually what i'm going to discuss in the next segment, so, thank you, richard vague. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. still to come, when jfk said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country, he motivated a generation. in an america where public servants can go unpaid for a month. is it even possible to revive that spirit? >> to my website smerconish.com, answer that question, should publish service be required of young americans? yep. we match all the cash back new cardmembers earn at the end of their first year, automatically. whoo! i got my money! hard to contain yourself, isn't it? uh huh! let it go! whoo! get a dollar-for-dollar match at the end of your first year. only from discover.
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get more americans to perform public service. maybe not the best timing considering that 8 h.,000 public servants were working without way. the idea is a worthy one, encourage youth to make public service a part of their adult lives. it raises the question whether that should be mandatory or optional, the national and public service defines service as quote, a personal commitment of time, energy and talent to a mission 2that contributes to th nation and its citizens, strengthening communities or promoting the social welfare. in jfk's inaugural address, ask not what you can do for your country. you know what i'm trying to say, can that be revived 60 years later? joining me now a national committee public service janine davidson, she is also a former under secretary of the navy. dr. davidson, i think when we speak of service to one's
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country, many of us immediately think of military service. there was something in your report that i found absolutely stunning that i'm going to put up on the screen and it's this, under current standard, 71% of americans ages 17 to 24 do not meet the qualifications for military service. why not? what do you most usually find? >> well, that's right. and thank you michael for having me. that's a pretty stark finding. one of the main reasons is physical fitness standards. also, there are other things that we are looking at that maybe could be changed a little bit. in recent years, they've changed the standards for tattoos, for instance. so we do need to look at that but it is a stark find tag we really need to uncover. it says something else, too, though, that -- go ahead. >> when you speak of service, you know, there are a number of ways we can do it. your report uses the verbiage, universe am access, hey, let's give everybody an opportunity. universal expectation or
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universal obligation. is there a consensus from all the research you folks have been doing as to which of those three americans would like to see? >> well, we haven't gotten a scientific consensus yet, which is one of the reasons we have the interim report out to raise awareness, i would say on our tour around the country. it's been pretty starve. when you ask people about a mandatory obligation, especially young people, they're usually like, i don't think so. but when you talk about having an expectation and an opportunity and whether or not lots more people should be serving at various levels across the country, people are really excited about that. they understand how important it is for our civil society and our democracy and there is a lot of enthusiasm about that. >> of course, it becks the question of, how can we make it affordable for someone who gets out of high school and wants to spend a year in service to their
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country. >> we want to find fabulous companies, americore and the stipends for those and the fundings for those have really don't support people. so it becomes sort of a luxury. we really would like to change that. we'll have to do the research on the bug. it's an important thing to give those people those opportunities and how important it is for the country as well. >> i know from reading the interim report that there is a feeling there needs to be more of a return to i guess i should say sivgs education. somehow we lost that since the era in which i went to school. >> that's really true. we have noticed the decline in civics education around the country. there are pockets where there are some interesting things being done. you know, it's one of the things we are zeroing in on. we know by research, students that have those opportunities or learn more about civics education, they're much more
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likely to vote, much more likely not to drop out of school and four times more likely to stay engaged in their communities as adults. so it's super, tuneer important. >> dr. davidson, there is a corresponding issue that you have been looking at. we haven't had a draft since 1973, before 2013, there were no women in combat. women now are serving in a whole variety of roles in the military, it begs the question, like men, they should be registering for selective service. explain that to us. >> that's right, that's an original impetus for setting up the commission. all of 2016, no restrictions anymore on women serving in the military. which, we know women have been serving admirably in all kind of combat zones already. it's not an issue whether they're capable. but it became legal issue, they're not only required to register for this selective service, they're not even allowed to register for the selective service.
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so that's one of the areas that we are looking at and talking to people about. whether or not we should even have the selective service in the draft and, if so, whether women should be required or allowed to register. >> my survey final question of the day today, i do one every saturday on the time i'm on air. i'm asking, should it be required? should young americans be required to be public servants? i'm thinking for a year time period post-high school. speak to that issue before you leave me. >> sure, we are looking at those issues, when you ask high school kids about that, they say mandatory, ah, you go to high school until grade 12, what it was like the last semester of your grade 12 or grade 13 and you got paid? and then they start to change their opinions a little bit. so we're in the intimreport came out this week. we have another year of research to do. so i really thank you for putting that survey out. i really would like to see what
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other americans think about that issue. >> we're going to find out in about a half hour's time. thank you, dr. davidson, i appreciate it. >> fan taft tick. my pleasure. can i try to rehabilitate ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. did i get it, adam? did it get that right this time? boy i will be so dam embarrassed from the tape of my intro of this segment. as i mentioned, go after the survey question at smerconish.com. should public service be required of young americans? i'll give you the result tend of this hour. what's going on in social media? what do we have? isn't compulsory service just involuntary servitude by another name? >> well, i think we should be paying for that service. would that change your analysis? look, i don't know we ever get to a point in a ma'an non-war
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scenario like israel, we say, this is something you must do. but one of the options this commission is looking at is creating the aura of an expectation. you know, this is what you are expected to do to be a good citizen. not necessarily military service. service can take a variety of forms. i personally want you and expect you to be a giver. one more if i got time for it. wealthy will buy their kids out of it? charlotte, let's say this, there can be no buyout. it's all or nothing, like all of us are in. again, we're not saying we're sending your son or daughter to afghanistan. military service is not for everybody, but there is something here at home. maybe it's infrastructure. maybe it's your community. maybe it's volunteerism through your church. there is something here to suit everybody. that's the point. all right, i am looking forward to this. how marie kondo mania is
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version. what does it mean to go con marie. >> it's an extensive methods, you go through your books and papers and kimonos, which is sentimental objects. you not only clear your home but clear your life. >> and categories matter, not location, right? it's not like, oh, i'll do the bedroom, then the garage, then the attic? >> that's right. things are scattered all over our home. so when we gather them altogether, we get to see exactly how much we have. it becomes that much easier to make decisions. >> i happen to have the book with me. so i'll use it as my prop, if this were one of the many books in my home, hmm, marie kondo's book, does this give me joy and decide whether i'm keeping or discarding? >> handling the object, is important, holding it up to your heart, taking that moment of silence. we receive so many messages from
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advertisers and social media about what's important and that this is a process of interspecs, of taking that moment and asking yourself, what do i care about? what matters to me? >> jenny the books will be among many problems for you in going foul con pary, i know from reading your piece in the independent. >> marie said people have a typed limit. for a woman who wants us to cut down on the number of books we keep, she is writing a number of her own, i don't know how many kondo books we can keep. i've written four novels. i'm not throwing those away. i'm very opened to the process. i have gone semi kondo in my house. one door which now closes. i think with many of us who have gone a bit kondo, you get distracted by what you find on the way. for a serious point first, i think that one of the reasons why this has swept around the
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world, this is phenomenon. you got it. we got it. we're all catching it off each other. it's an epidemic. i think we are all in chaos. in particular britain we have this awful brexite nom none, no one knows where we stand, everyone is anxious, i think of taking charge of the nicker drawer, we call it, it can help you have some sense of order in the rest of your life so i have approved some of the kondo things. my daughter was kondo'ing. she had all the stuff she was discarding. i thought, i bought you that. what do you mean you are throwing that away? i bought you that last birthday. the danger in that, not many of us can go kwul "kofdo." i was a little sentimental. when i went through my kondo moment, i found a box i had
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hidden from myself when i was 15, it showed a dangerous side of not having some kondo in your life. i had done this awful hoarding of my, the year i was 15, down to a lock of my own hair. some false beersd i had worn in a school production. if everybody lived by the kinds of things that i had stored in that box, we would all be the subject of one of the most distressing documentaries about hoarders. >> i have faith in you. >> it sounds like a great time capsule and patty morrisey, by the way, adam, run some of the images that have come in while i am on air. oh, boy, look at that closet, holy smokes. patty the hardest category is the me memento category. what am i supposed to do.
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we have four kids, all the art projects are in our attic. am i supposed to throw those out? >> you have to build up to it. the fact that she stumbled on her box of mementos the first day. gratitude is the key in letting things go. so by the time you get up there, you know what you want. my daughter and i immediately thank the piece of paper for helping her practice her math problems. we thank the strokes for practicing her technique. we keep a few pieces worth keeping. we will at the time rest go with a lot of gratitude. >> jenny, you have a sugar could ub from the cafe where you used to go and meet boys. >> yes. >> i guess we have to con marie that sugar cube and thank it. >> never, that sugar cube will go to my gra irve. >> jenny, what i recommend you
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do you store it with a place that has a place of honor. if they're important, put them in a place not locked up and hidden away. i worked with a client, she saved something from her mother who had passed away. she says, that's embarrassing. maybe i should tuck it away. i said, no, let's hon hor it. we put it out on a tray and put it in a prominent place in her home. >> make is shrine or a rhyme, through my 15-year-old nars sichlt. there are things that you mentioned somebodies who mother had died, in this book, my teenage stuff, is a detention slip, that's signed by my father. i got in trouble at school for not wearing a hat. i decided his signature, i couldn't throw that away i think. i'm not there yet. >> i agree. totally. >> that brings you joy. you would pick up that detention slip and say, this brings me joy. this is a keeper.
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ladies, thank you. i love this conversation. >> a pleasure. . >> thank you. still to come, your best and worst tweets and facebook comments and it's your last chance to vote on today's survey question. should public service be required of young americans? go vote! .
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konmari. time to see how you respond to the survey question of the day at smerconish.com. should public service be required of young americans? 71% say yes to requirement.
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71% say go the way of israel by way of example and say this is what is expected of you, what is required of you one year out of high school. very interesting. i'll leave the question up the rest of the day. what else came in during the course of the program via social media. smerconish, is it really public service if it is required? well, ray is old, love your handle. the alternatives are to say here are options. we want to be sure there is ample opportunity. a second option is say we're going to create an expectation. neither of those would be subject to your criticism. it is the third that says it is going to be required. my favorite is option two. hit me with something else. watching her show was too stressful. lin is referring to marie kondo's show on netflix. it is more than just getting rid of personal, i hope we brought
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this out. it is an organization system for life, not just what's in your clothing closet. another one if we have time. does roger stone spark joy? yes. if you're president trump, i suspect he is a keeper. for trump critics, i suspect he goes in the goodwill basket if there's such a thing. i tell you this, he sparks joy in the media because this is going to be a donny brook. i fully expect stone will do what he has said which is to fully engage, not back down, not flip, keep doing media interviews. he was with chris cuomo last night on cnn, and it will be a battle for the ages, and he won't stop talking. when all is said and done, however, you've got those statements he gave under oath
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