good evening. i'm van jones. we have two incredible guests for you fighting for the rights of working people. megan mccain will be here. they represent real authenticity. i love principal partisan who is are not hyper partisan. that's a rare thing these days. that's really what we need. my head is spinning from what we witnessed in washington, d.c. this week. i'm not even talking about the spectacle that is roger stone.

the government is back in business, at least for a little bit. president trump surrendered. cave into nancy pelosi. reopened the government without any border funding. hundreds of thousands of americans will be getting their paychecks again. trump is ending this unnecessary crisis that he created and we're exactly where we were back in december before any of the mess even started. that's terrible. reasonable people might say this could have been avoided. the temporary ground stops in delays of the busiest airports. it all could have been skipped. now what happens. i think there's some lessons we have to take away. if you ever needed a reminder that elections are important, this was it.

imagine how different things would have played out if the democrats would not have taken back the house. nan scy pelosi proved she can stand up to donald trump. congress is a full co-equal branch of government. when so many of my progressives were saying pelosi is washed up. i bet they were glad he had a tried and true warrior. second, as painful as this whole thing was it was a good reminder about what america's government does. they are keeping parks clean, our skies safe, our airports running smoothly. our food inspected. things that impact all of our lives in big ways and little

ways. that's the true spirit of this country. the messy truth is we might need that spirit again. we also learned the fight is far from over. trump ended the shutdown with no humility or compromise. he did it by threatening democrats and ensuring supporters this is in no way a concession. he intends to get his powall ha though poll after poll shows most americans don't want the wall especially at the expense of shutting down america's government. based on that speech he's clearly prepared to continue a fact free, racist, fear mongering case to try to get his way. don't you see the damage you've already done. this whole thing has hurt our country and is it really worth it to win back approval points

from ann koucoulter to do this h damage. luckily, tonight you'll hear from a true populist with real connections to american working families. i spoke with democratic senator from ohio sherrod brown about this battle for border security and if a 2020 run is in his future. take a look. >> good to see you. thank you. >> i am super glad to have you here especially given all the non-sense that's going on in d.c. you're probably one of the most common sense leaders we have. what is this really about? is it just that the wall itself is a symbol in your mind of race echl a

ism and you can't bring yourself to vote for it. the the wall like a symbol? >> it's a symbol to -- it's something the president always uses to create chaos and distract from his betrayal of american workers. we probably lost of a plant closing in youngstown. 5,000 workers in a community of 400,000 will lose their jobs over the next few months. i'd ask the president to interve intervene. he hasn't even though he got a lot of votes from those workers. i've asked him. i've begged him to come in. he did nothing. i told him about it. i said we need you here and he said i'll think about it. i asked him to go to congress with a bill that we had written, he said he liked the idea and then he pulled back. >> i think here is where people get frustrated. the wall has become the issue. is it, in your view, is it a symbol of racism?

is that issue? >> for me it's not. the president is engaged in all kinds of racist talk about immigrants and about trade policy and about the wall. >> one of the reasons i think people like you so much is you've won your election in a state that trump won by eight points. you won your election by six points as a strong progressive democrat. that's unheard of. i think the people look at you as somebody who really can reach out to and appeal to all kiebndf people. what do you think about the way if democratic field is beginning to shape up? >> i like it. i like the diversity. i like the energy. too many think we either speak to the progressive base or you speak to workers. when in fact, it's not on a either or. you have to do both. you don't win my part of the

country. you fight for the people who make it work. i would lo ve to see this. they struggle with child care, health insurance and inadequate wage and especially women and especially people of color. those are people so often invisible and left out. i hope that every democratic candidate regardless of whether they are in the spectrum talks to the dignity of work and what it means. >> you have so much passion for this cause and you always have. what would prevent you from running for president. given the amount of distress and concern among working families. why wouldn't you step forward and be a champion?

what's in the way you have saying yeah? >> i've not thought of doing this. a guy said the only cure for the presidential virus in the u.s. senate is embalming fluid. i've not dreamed about this all my life. it's been a more recent thing since the november election this year. it's an earthquake to a family. it affects her career and her life. we're going to go on a listening tour about the dignity of work before early states, new hampshire, south carolina, iowa and nevada and listen to people and talk to people and figure out what we'll do in a couple of months. >> what do you need to hear out there? >> i don't know.

i want to talk to be teem wthe o are working hard. >> you've been talking to those people your whole life. do you think you could beat trump in ohio? >> i will beat trump in ohio where they know me best and i'll beat him in my home state and i'll beat him in new york, his home state where they know him best. i've been working on that one. >> that's awesome. how are you able to find that kind of common ground? >> first of all, i put the mine workers first. i don't much care about the owners of the coal company. i put the mine workers first and their community first.

twice a month a mine worker and his wife, usually a male mine worker where they get to go a couple times a month. i grew up in one of them in mansfield, ohio. it's been hurt badly by globalization. they don't think wall street invest in their town. they don't think the government cares in their community. they're not wrong about that. we need the fight for them. >> i'm glad you do it and i'm glad you have. those of us who know you, love you. those of us who know you are not a lot of people. your name id is not hot. >> i've not been out running for anything other than in ohio. >> how do you over come that? you have 840 people running for president.

how does sherrod brown stand out? >> i think so much of politics is empathy. something this president is unfamiliar with. empathizing with others more than any human being i've ever met, literally. if you tell people stories and talk about the single parent or the married couple that puts off having children because they don't think they can afford child care. i think a candidate that argues for them and advocates for them and talks about work as the motivating force in our society wins elections. that's what i've done in ohio. >> that's a positive case what somebody should do. what would be a mistake for this party? would it be bad to go a coastal voice? bad to go with a woman of color. how do you think about things to be very cautious about. >> if i don't run, i'll continue to make this case on the dignity of work and that work should be

the organizing theme for any democratic candidate for president. i would be one of the few that voted against the iraq war and support marriage equality for 20 years and have a lifetime for the nra. in the mistake we make talking only about trump's karcharacter. everybody knows trump's character. they know who he is. his making fun of disabled people and attacking veterans and immigrants and his racism. we know all that. that's sort of self-evident. we've got to contrast. this president has betrayed workers, period. he's betrayed single parents.

he betrayed auto workers. this white house has betrayed consumers, workers. as they issue supreme court, they put their thumb on the scale of justice on behalf of companies, corporations over workers and on behalf of wall street over consumers. that's just wrong. you make that contrast and we win. the public is overwhelmingly on our side. >> he's just getting started. we'll talk about a political movement that we both believe has a lot of momentum but has been corrupted by president trump. we'll tell you about it when we come back.

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welcome back to the van jones show. i'm here with sherrod brown who has been working for working families, fighting for working families for decades. a lot of people feel the trump economy is looking pretty good. i want to do a reality check. they can this out. president trump is constantly touting his strong economy. >> i have created such an incredible economy. i have created so many jobs. >> we are finally seeing rising wages. >> why does so many americans still feel so broke? both things can be true at the same time. the president is right. unemployment is down and wages

have gone up by a pretty big amount. hourly pay went up by 3.2% last year. that's the biggest jump since 207 2009. even though wages are higher on paper. a new report suggests that real wages fell last year by 1.3%. what are real wages? that's the money you can actually spend after you account for inflation. even though your paycheck may be bigger, if the cost of living is higher, you may feel worse off. this is causing more and more americans to say, they're feeling increased economic anxiety. especially millennials, women and people of color. we've been seeing protests and strikes across the country with workers demanding higher salaries. >> we don't want the millions like they're making. we just want to be able to pay our rent. >> 20 states raised the minimum wage this year. that's good news for about 5 million workers. some states and the federal

government have not increased the minimum wage in over a decade. the federal minimum wage is still only $7.25 an hour. wealth inequality has grown to 50-year high with the richest 1% of americans owning the biggest piece of the pie. the top 20% of americans own 90% of the wealth. the bottom 40% are left with an empty plate having a net worth of negative $8900. this is sure to become a rallying cry for many of the democrats heading into 2020. >> today a minimum wage job in america will not keep a mama and a baby out of poverty. [ applause ] >> what kind of policy can be

put into place? >> you start with looking this way. corporate profits are up. executive compensation has exploded. productivity is up. worker wages are pretty much flat. real dollars. then you pass a tax cut bill, the president did, that 71% of the benefits went to the wealthiewealth wealthiest 1%. the corporate tax cuts as part of that bill, the companies as gm did, instead of using the money to invest in workers, they used the money to move jobs offshore but they used the money for stock buy backs. s >> what would you do to fix? >> increased minimum wage. enforcing the over time rule. if you make $30,000 a year and

say you're running fast food restaurant, night shift. you make $30,000 salary, 35,000, even 40,000. the company declares you as management. they can work you 50, 60 hours with no over time. >> you think you've got ideas that can make a difference for working folks. this idea of a populist campaign on behalf of working people. that's exactly what donald trump just did a couple years ago. >> contrast the phony populism of donald trump with the real populism of van jones. it doesn't divide people. look at the way trump talks about any of this stuff. it's always to deivide.

it's also racist. a progressive trade policy it doesn't play off mexican workers against american workers. >> at the same time you have given trump some credit for his moves on trade. how do you explain that and could that hurt you in the primary? >> maybe if it does s, it does. it's helped to hollow out in too many factors and communities. then trump did his tariffs. to do tariffs right you work with your allies and you focus on those countries that are cheating. he didn't do that at all. we don't work with our allies on much of anything. tariffs can work.

you don't choose winners and losers. you don't choose farmers over steel workers. that's what the president has done with his tariffs. >> you said something a couple of times now about the president using racist language, racist this, racist that. i think for a long time democrats were very reluctant to raise questions of race and racial equity. they didn't want to offend the white male working class folks who you represent. why are you doing that and how will that not hurt this party in the next election ma? >> it's so self-evident the president is racist just like it's self-evident that the president lies a lot. remember at the beginning of his administration, and still some, there's a caution from the media to say don't call the president or this was a liar or he didn't tell the truth. then they would say if he's not aware he's lying then he's not lying. he's president of the united states. the fact checkers find he lies x numbers of times every day.

it's kind of been his whole career. it's not out of character. if he's a racist, you call him that. [ applause ] >> a relatively small number of people in this country are racist. trump voters, sure, there was something that some people that david dukes of the world sport d -- supported trump because of his dog whistles. most people looked at their lives and saw their kids. >> let me get to another one of your big policy ideas before we get out of here. bernie sanders says i want medicare for all. then you come and say i want medicare for some more. it just doesn't seem as sellable when you're talking about people at 55 years old being able to

get in there. explain your health care policy and why you think it's better than medicare for all. >> i think it's more attainable. medicare buy in at 55. a 58-year-old loses her job. a 62-year-old sees his factory close. they can go and medicare and afford the pay for it. i think we can pass that in this congress. i don't know how we pass medicare for all in this congress. i want to see progress. i want to see people's lives change.

>> you have mentioned your wife more than almost anybody i interviewed. >> nobody has connie shultz as a wife. >> you have such an extraordinary wife. >> she doesn't tell me how to vote. when we started going out almost 20 years ago, we would compare hate mail from the same people. she grew up as a working class kid. she spent a week in the cleveland clinic. that informs the way she thinks. my mom was a small town georgia kid. my dad went off to war and they met in washington.

i'm informed by that. she's a great writer. >> give a round of applause. thank you for being here. good luck to you and your tour and upcoming decision. next up we have meghan mccain in the house. to be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing it's best to make you everybody else... ♪ ♪ means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. does this sound dismal? it isn't. ♪ ♪ it's the most wonderful life on earth. ♪ ♪

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nc nc nc ncht. my next guest is one of my first and favorite guests. please give a round of applause for megan mccain. [ applause ] >> how are you? hi. thank you. i love the set of your show because it's like a thunder dome. >> exactly.

>> i love this show. >> last time you were here your dad was sick and my mom was sick. now your dad and my mom have gone to a better place. i've not talked about it publicly. i can't do it. you've done a better job of sharing your experience. what have you learned about grieving and what have you le learned since your father passed? >> the first thing i have to say is that i'm surrounded with support. i try not to feel bad for myself. i just don't -- i think he would be terribly pissed if i walked

around that way. i learned that grief is a taboo subject. it makes people uncomfortable. almost five months out since he passed. i'm sad every single day. i don't think there's anything wrong with sharing that. i have moments where i think that i just can't do anything anymore without him. it's a weird place to be in in so many different ways. as a daughter i'm grieving and sad. as an american. i hate this country without him in it. i know that sounds awful. i don't hate america but i hate it without his leadership. i'm very -- i'm sad all the time. i'm struggling with that sadness. i miss him in ways that i've never could have fathomed. i try to say what would my dad say and hooee'd say we a mccain. we don't feel sorry for ourselves. we're blessed so get up and keep fighting. >> you're not the only person

missing john mccain. this vacuum is so pronounced. now because of this wall, the shutdown. i'm hearing you're saying you're not calling yourself a republican anymore. >> i call myself conservative. i'm still a member of the republican party and i still vote on the republican ticket. republicanism is so tied up with being for trump. trump didn't melt my brain. i can still see the forest for the trees. i understand why trump supporters voted for him. i understand why people thinks he's tearing the country apart. there was a blood red moon is a symbol of the end of the world and i was like seems about right now. i'm just trying to survive in a lot of different ways and politically as well right now. i'm not a liberal.

i think it could be dishonest for me to start espousing beliefs that i didn't believe in. something will come out of this one way or the other but i don't know if it will be the traditional republican party. trump changed it. its character seems to be gone which when i grew up conservativism and character wads -- my father was really militant about character. now it seems like lying, it's okay. stealing, it's a little nebulous. i don't think those are american characteristics. it scares me a lot. >> this fight to keep our parties, good parties got a history in the republican party back in the 50s and 60s. they had to ban together and push out. i love this clip.

>> if there's anyone that's mistakenly attached themselves to our party. let me remind you. tonight this hall belongs to the party of lincoln and the exits are marked for you to walk out of as i stand this ground without compromise. >> so good. >> that's okay. >> is it harder for you now or why? >> we're so out numbered. i think trumpism is over 80% support president trump. maybe they are doing it because they don't have another option. i think the populist trump brand has taken over. it's up with of my first political memories. i gave my first interview when i

was 11. i don't see a lot of leadership with people in office. there's some politicians that i thought would be really be amazing at helping fight this fight and they terribly disappointed me. >> this particular sticky widget around the wall is something i want to get your thoughts about. it gets very tense. i watch you guys on view. i feel like trump took a tough conservative principle, which is border security. i can respect conservative who wants that. he put it in the blender with a bunch of racist crazy stuff and steve king and he poured it out. now you have to drink the whole thing or spit it out. democrats say the wall is racist. you hear that as we're saying all republicans are racist.

how do you make sense of our pain and frustration ? you really are in this tough situation. >> i completely understand the other side. i live in manhattan. i have to leave my apartment and i'm inundated with republicans are nazis. they are the worst and everything is awful and ruining this country. every moment of my life when i'm in this city, i feel it. when i hear anyone who supports the wall is racist. it's a trigger for me because i know people who are not racist who support the wall. i feel like when we're living in a time when you have one or the other, people get tribal. i include my friends on the left would see my side a little bit. just a little bit. see what it's like for somebody in arizona who has seen the impact of maybe illegal immigration or sees a liberal talk about how great sanctuary cities are and thinks that

crazy. >> i come from, i think people may be getting it's not -- i don't know the experience of a minority. i'm not privileged woman that had a senator for father. my older sister is adopted. there's a famous political moment in 200 wh 2000 when my f was running for president that my father had an ill legitimate black child bridgette. why would that be a bad thing? i'm not saying any way this means i have experience. >> i think it's important for people to understand that. >> you have a sister and certain type of experiences.

you've seen an impact of racism in your own life. that charge hits you harder than it might hit somebody else in a casual conversation. >> it scares me too because i so -- i think it's the worst thing you can call anyone. i think it's thrown around too much. i think it's thrown out too often. all the things that have been said or accused is the most deeply hurtful. i have taken it home to me at night. i'm here to ask questions. i'm here to represent where i come from. i'm here to represent my party. i'm here to represent my family.

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welcome back to the van jones show. i'm back with megan mccain. you are one of the most admired and well known women in american politics. >> you should add controversial too. people hate me too. i'm well aware. >> that's a part of american life. women now seem to be making a big move politically. mainly on democratic party. we had four and counting women who have declared. before we talk about the republican party, do you like any of the democratic women? you have kamala harris. >> she came on the view, senator harris. i thought her answers were pitch perfect. i thought she was very smooth. i think she'll make a great vice president to joe biden some day. >> we're going to get to that.

>> i've been around politicians my entire life. i was expected to not like her. i liked her to the point it was like dangerous. i was like, she's very warm and seemed to really understand the anger on both sides of the country. that's important. >> does her gender matter to you as you think about -- >> i don't really -- i want the best person which is probably why i'm not a good female spokesperson in general. i think more women in power in all factions of life is better because i think women is smarter. no disrespect. we like to multi-task better. because you're a woman will not get my vote. she said give the american public more credit. give the americans more credit. that is a like a very inspiring message. give americans more credit than the place we're in now. i said to her, i love that.

thank you for saying something that doesn't make me feel like the apocalypse is coming. >> what does it mean for your party? >> conservative women are left out of conversations. we don't exist. like there's this whole portion of females that don't matter or opinions don't matter or it's not as interesting of a public figure as a pro-choice extremely liberal woman. in the republican party we have a woman problem like across the board. i think statistics show that too that voting blocks in college educated women, i believe, listen. i understand it. i think if you're someone who is not deeply into politics and like trying to do your job, raise your kids, make money and just live and the only thing you're seeing is grab them in blank and you see some politicians coming out sort of kowtowing around it and not just condemning it and saying this is

wrong. this is awful. we can't have this language. i can understand how you would be turned off. it's something i'm concerned about but i also believe that with the right messenger and the right politician, all things are possible. >> one of the things that happens is this conflict between you and joy. >> people are obsessed with it. >> literally like become a national obsession. do you guys get into fistfights afterwa afterward? how does this work? she went to your dad's funeral. >> she did. >> how does the relationship work? >> when we're not talking about politics we have a lot in common. she's really funny and this dirty sense of human. i like being around people that are raw and unsensored and like to drink and she's all those things. we are both true believers. she's a great sparring partner on air because she truly

believes in her liberal principals. she believes donald trump is satan come to take us down and ruin the planet. i'm trying to get her to see the other side. we don't fistfight backstage. we're getting drinks and hanging out. i really like her. we fight well too. >> why do you think that there's this national obsession with this conflict. you imagine two guys getting into it might not even register. is there something about it that social security li these two women going at it. >> when i grew up i used to watch cross fire. i love it. i don't know if anyone was obsessed with them when they were fighting. they were fighting about the same thing joy and i are doing. i think being women, they're automatically has to be reports of cat fighting, hysteria, tantrums. these are things only said about women on television. it's not said about men when they get into fights. it's exhausting for joy and i.

we're women paid dom in and debate politics. both of us get into it and we get into huge fights. both of us have short attention spans and are on to the next quickly. i wish people would allow women to be angry and fight. whatever any all right. so even more when we come back, there is one democrat that she might be able to get behind in 2020. we're going to talk about that when we come back.

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welcome back. i am back with my best megan mccain. joe bind, who you have some affection for is actually apologizing because he said something nice about republicans. i red thad that one of my probl is that i like republicans. bless me, father, for i have sinned. >> you retweeted that's why so many of us love you.

do you want him to run? >> the hard part about this is he was friends with my father for 30-something years and he is really my great blessing of my time right now. he has taken on somewhat of a father figure role for me. i can't talk bad about him and it would be too hard. >> would you vote for him? >> i'm still a conservative. again, my principals haven't run out the window. but trump will never get anything from me under any circumstances ever. i mean, make that quite clear. but it would be -- i think it would be a tough call for a lot of conservatives. but it depends on how he runs. if he goes full left socialist, it's not something i could get onboard with in any way. i'm not a liberal. but i miss calm in the country or more calm and i miss character and integrity and i miss respect for the other side. and that tweet thing, i like

republicans, that should be what we hope for right now, some people in the party might not someone who is more moderate. and that's the next battle, i think, is which side will take the more traditional or the more social liist and i'll be watchi >> we'll certainly be watching you on "the view." thank you for watching this show. i am van jones. peace and love for one another. (avo) life doesn't give you many second chances. but a subaru can. you guys ok? you alright? wow. (avo) eyesight with pre-collision braking. standard on the subaru ascent.

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you're live in the "cnn newsroom." thanks for staying with us. in the past 30 or so hours, americans have seen people celebrating, celebrating something that really wasn't a happy ending. president trump ended his stand off with house speaker nancy pelosi when they agreed to reopen the government just temporarily. the president claiming to be proud of this deal when it was a total concession on his part. he didn't get what he wanted. no wall money, no state of the union, at least not next week. he didn't get anything he wanted. and then this.