coming to you live from paris. today on the show the crisis in venezuela, who is running that country? after calling madura's reelection president trump recognized a different head of state. what's happening now? we'll tell you. and what can trumps tell us about warring humans? i was delighted to have a wide

ranging conversation with that great observer of both species, jane dogoodall. >> i know you're expecting my take. we have a whole show but before that i want to get to the breaking news which comes out of venezuela. right now the united states is recognizing a different head of state. the united states is trying to get countries like britain to stop any kind of financial activity with the government of venezuela. maduro said to step down from that. where do things stand with us?

as far as i can tell you have growing international pressure. you have one important military person. they have said maduro should step down but the rest of the army seems to be backing the regime. they have already said in eight da days they do not accept the need for free and fair elections. they recognize formally for u.s.

they will reck can ognize the h the assembly to lead a transition that takes it to those elections. at the same time the top brands of the military remains loyal to maduro. they have been able to get that kind of support. i have to say also that the military, even though they remain loyal, have not gone down the path that the government would have liked them to go. so it's a gridlock in many ways but one where i would say that the great surprise here is people marching, people in the streets really claiming and wanting the constitutional order to be restored.

>> we have seen many changes in regime. he is acting on behalf of the constitution and in response to what is claimed to be a fraudulent election. it buys 40% of the fuel which is the chief source of revenue. if britain does not allow it can this international pressure break the regime and force regime change? >> it is crumbling. i'm not surprised you have a military tash sha breaking from the regime in washington where it is safe to do so. you really don't want to be the first major general that comes out. you want to be late rather than

early on that front because life gets much more dangerous for you. publicly the russians, chinese, turks, iranians, north koreans are all still supporting maduro. the russians are trying to find a way and it is very different than syria where they department want any of that. it could determine outcomes. here they understand they are increasingly losing influence. so i do believe that for the first time in the trump administration where he is out in front and all of the american democratic allies have gotten in step behind him, all of them almost, the canadians and the rest, that pressure will lead to more economic pressure. it will lead to a lot of members of the military to start questioning is this for the long term? should they be sticking with

this government or are they going down a dangerous past? certainly the likely had of a peaceful transition ork straited by the americans with the russians is more likely today than it was a week ago. >> tell us about this man who is a young leader of the opposition which controls the legislature. what should we make of this power play? >> i think he is really a surprise for many. before he was appointed as head of the national assembly people had hardly heard about him. all of a sudden people are starting to talk about him almost on a daily basis not only through social networks but being able to mobilize people in different cities throughout the country. he is very young. he is a moderate within a party

that has been very up front about how to challenge the regime and set a strategy to lead the country towards a democratic transition. she being able to bring together people that a month ago were not talking to eacher. that each other. that's his biggest success. he needs to do more. he needs to keep talking to the key actors in the domestic arena that are the key actors in this whole process. he needs to make sure that a transition in venezuela will not be uncertain. there will be political guarantees for everyone. i think he is trying to put the country at a point where that transition becomes irreversible. the government is fighting back. as ian was saying russia remains

loyal. china, turkey has become a key ally. mexico playing an important role trying to also support a negotiated outcome that seems i think in the short term unlikely unless that, you know, maduro -- >> let me interrupt you because i want to get ian's perspective on the other big player that you didn't mention, the united states. it is fair to say while donald trump has had a disasterous week he and his administration have handled this pretty well in that they have made sure it doesn't turn into an america versus venezuela and trying to rally the international community. do you agree that so far it has been handled quite well? >> i think that's right. you saw at home in the united states the big cave was trump to

pelosi on the shutdown. internationally the big cave was maduro to trump. backing away from saying you have got to take all of your diplomats out of your embassy after the americans recognized the opposition as legitimate government. he is not prepared to accept new elections as has been demanded by the eu and others or else they flip but he is willing to engage in talks. he said he is willing to talk with president trump himself. this is not a guy with a lot of cards on the ground. his economy is in free fall. millions of refugees. the next step the americans should take, the democracies together is they need to take the lead on humanitarian aid. not a lot of people reaching in their pockets. there's a desperate need for food to be delivered to the

border but also to get across the border and put pressure on mad madur onchts th maduro. they should take the lead in getting them an opportunity not -- to get away from this economic depravation, 10 million inflation in one year. >> pleasure to have you on. we'll be following this story very closely. when we come back, my take on human rights and jane goodall on kp which i chimpanzees and humans.

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here ea's my take. it the painting was not very pretty. it was subdued, cautious, apprehensive. there wasn't much talk of a global slowdown but no one was confident about a growth story either. people spoke in worried tones about the state of democracy and the international order itself. the white house scrapped the official american delegation and outgrow president trump spat with congress providing a perfect metaphor for the broader outlook. america has with drawn from the world. europe is distracted, divided and disspondent.

britain's prime minister could not attend because of the turmoil over brexit. there was a gaping absence from the usual defenders of liberal democracy. it sent a respected states man with a message aiming to reassure the world that beijing seeks win-win solutions. i reflects the reality that economically china faces its own challenges at home with him try to go tighten his grip over china's vast society. it is perhaps a reflection that they do not celebrate strong

men. western democracies may be flagging putin hold a more weaker hand. they too stayed home. the one area of consistent optimism remains technology and the next great opportunity leveraging artificial intelligence to make companies far more efficient and productive. they were more openly pessimistic about trade. they worry that a u.s. trichina trade war could spill over. it seems the great expansion of globalization is over. for last 15 years there has been no significant forward movement on trade and many minor setbacks. it hasn't translated into large scale protectionism but there is a new stag nancy. >> if the west is divided so are other regions. almost no arab leaders showed up

rel vating to greater irrelevance than usual. lat latin america is split it is not an outright anti-american one. it is one which many yearned far presence. it remains reasonably stable. with no one actively shoring up the great question remains in a world without leaders. coming up much more. i talked to canada's foreign

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canada has been atop the news a lot lately. there's the trade deal that signed with the u.s. and mexico. it began after freeland sent out a tweet. that simple tweet caused a diplomatic fire storm. now there's canada's china problem which began the daughter of the founder was arrested in vancouver on aus extradition request.

amidst that backdrop i spoke with canada's foreign minister earlier this week. >> pleasure to have you on. >> great to be with you. >> you have take an lead in a foreign policy that might be described as value oriented. if donald trump is looking at thing you have emphasized values. let's talk about saudi arabia. you made statements that the saudis tried to retaliate against canada. do you feel as though you can get arms deals and do business with them in the way lots say they have to do because they are a rich country? >> let me start with the broader

point. >> i would disagree a little bit with the notion that a policy that is about speaking out for human rights is necessarily not a policy which will advance your core hard interests as a country. i think that speaking up for human rights in the long run is the only way to guarantee the interest of your country. >> and in the short term you took an economic hit? >> well, we are now finding -- and it's interesting you mentioned the china situation. we are now finding a very large number of countries, number of diplomats, academics, signed a letter. we have been working hard to get countries to come out in support

of the two canadians detained in china. what we are hearing from allies and diplomat scholars around the world is if you stand silent as say in this case a couple of canadians are detained you actually are not doing something prudent in your own self-of interest. you are jeopardizing your longer term interest because you could be next. and so i really think that that message, particularly today when as you have written often the rules based international order is under threat multi-lateral institutions are being threatened. canada is a vast country. we are the world's tenth largest economy but we are a little power and we know that too. we know the only kind of world in which canada will thrive and canadians will be safe and

secure is one where there are rule, where there are laws where they are followed. we really believe having support for human rights as a core part of our foreign policy is not only the principal thing to do ultimately it's the practical thing to do. >> the chinese ambassador accuses d accuses canada of white supreme si. the thing is you have arrested somebody essentially at the request of the united states. what's going on? >> so if i may it's a little bit -- if i can offer a little bit of a nuance. we share the world's longest militarized border. we are very close allies.

the u.s. made an extradition request and so in line with the treaty she was detained. there was a hearing and she has now been released on bail and is living in vancouver where she happens to own a home. so that's the sechuatiituation her. the extradition case has not yet gone through the canadian legal system and i will not prejudge what the decision of the court will be we are proud of our legal system, our impartial objective system. we have the best impartial judiciary in the world. that is where the case is being

handled. >> the wchinese government is reacting. i said the ambassador believing in white supremesi. what is going on there? >> well, that is a question that i hope you will put to the chinese authorities and certainly we have heard the chinese concerns. i have spoken with the ambassador to canada twice and we have had a lot of contact with the chinese authorities in china. what we are saying in these conversations is really two things. first of all that when it comes to her it is not a political decision dan h decision canada has taken. our government has made no case

against her. we are a rule of law country. we have an extradition. when asked we do. we honor our treaty commitments. as you point out to canadians they have been detained in china. we have looked into those detentions and we believe them to be arbitrary. a third canadian who had been convicted of a drug related crime in china has been sentenced to the death penalty canada has an entirely consistent policy. we think it is cruel and inhumane. we have made that case clear when it comes and ask for clemency for him. that's the situation.

what has really actually been encouraging for me, and i think is something relevant for us here in the conversations that people are having is we have found in these cases our international allies really rallying and coming out in support speaking out in support of the rules based international order. >> pleasure to have you on as always. >> great to be with you. next, almost 60 years ago jane began her work that changed how we all think about animals. suddenly the animal kingdom was more human and we perhaps were more animalistic. i was lucky enough to talk to her and she is teaching us about animals and ourselves. come back for this fascinating conversation in a moment.

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dr. doolittle may have talked to the characters but. jane goodall is real. she begins many talks by offering a greeting in the native tongue. >> almost 16 years ago she traveled and ended up living among the species which is the closest relative to us humans. what she learned would change

our perception of animals and ourselves. i had the great honor this week. i started asking her how her amazing career began. >> i was ten years old when i met tarzan of the apes and married the wrong jane. so it was ten years old when i had a dream. i will grow up, go to africa, live with wild animals and write books about them. we didn't have any money. africa was far away. i was just a girl. my mother said if you want something you have to work really hard but don't give up. i have taken that message to young people to deprived communities. i wish mom was alive to come up

to me and say thank you. because you did it i can do it too. the opportunity came when i had a boring job in london. i was 23. we were very naive after the war. i was invited to stay with a friend. he is the one that gave me the chance to live with the chimpanz chimpanz chimpanzee. >> how did you living with them happen? >> i watched animals all my life. there was knnobody out there dog anything. i thought i have to get them to trust me the chimps were very

shy. we took one look and ran away. you know, weeks became months. i became increasingly nervous because i knew if i didn't see something exciting that would be the end and i would have let them down and been the end of my dream. i was beginning to learn about aspects of their behavior. one which i am chimpanzee. he is the one i saw using tools to fish for termites. it is that that allowed and they agreed to fund the research but they sent out a film maker. it was his early footage that took the story of jane and the chimps around the world. >> and why was that so important? suddenly seeing the connection.

if they were able to make tools they had some kind of intelligence. >> well, the point was they believed humans and only humans used and made tools. i was showing that wasn't true. >> what did it take when you think about it to get those chimps to trust you? this is something that translates well beyond -- simply about chimps. how do we as human beings make others trust us and how do we trust other humans? >> i think the important thing for me was not to push too fast. you simply must have patience. i was born loving animals. >> and did you feel as though

there was a point at which something changed? was there a moment or was it just a slow extending of their trust for you? >> there was a moment for me that was a very seminole moment. i was following david through the forest. i thought i lost him. i came through this tangle of agitation. he was sitting. he was looking back. i don't know. maybe he was. there was a bright red oil palm nut. i held it out to him on my palm he turned his face away. he looked directly in my eyes. he reached out. he took the nut and dropped it. it must have been something wrong. i don't know but gently squeezed my fingers.

so in that moment we communicated with each other perfectly that must have predated human words. that was the moment i thought this is what i have to do. i just have to carry on. >> the thing that i was most struck by was in the first phase you're experience is, you you know, very benign and then you see what happens when another tribe as it were comes in. this savage war that takes place between the two groups, what did you learn from that? >> well, it was a big shock. you know, i had already learned how like us they are in so many ways like kissing, embracing, begging for food, the close

bonds between mothers and family members, the competition for males with top rank. reminding me a lot of male politics today, no names. >> they were killing individuals they had groomed with and played with and fed with just like a civil war. it took me a long time to make terms with it. just as we too have this brutal side we have a compassionate loving side and so do they. >> and when you look at the way in which human beings go to war now, you know, exactly as you said, they will some times go to war and kill the people they live next door to, neighbors, relatives. do you think all of that is at some level very primal and this is a reflection of our ape-like

tendencies. >> do we have some type of aggressive tendencies? you can't look around the world and say no. we do. you know, we developed this intellect. i think what we can do and so we actually are capable of monitoring our own behavior. if you look around at the ordinary general population you may hear oh, i could kill him. we don't mean it. the trouble is that war today is not the kind of simple territory y'all behavior that it was with early ancestors. it is economic development and money and things like that. it is completely different in a way. when we come back, more with jane. she is 84 years old and is on the road for more than three

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a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! welcome back to the special edition of gps from here in davos, switzerland. more now with my interview with the great pragmatologist. >> do you believe we are not connected with nature and the animal kingdom in general? you talk about our spirit. are we losing it? >> we are losing a lot. we have a program which began in tanzania with 12 high school

students in 1991, and it's now in nearly 80 countries. i was meeting so many young people who didn't seem to have hope. and mostly they were just apathetic, didn't seem to care. but some were very depressed and some were very angry. and i began talking to them and they basically said the same thing. you've compromised our future and there's nothing we can do about it. so this saying, we haven't inherited the planet from our parents, we borrowed it from our children, but we haven't, have we? we've stolen, and we're still stealing, the future of our children as we go on destroying the environment. we depend on the environment. but when they said there is nothing we can do about it, i thought, no, we have a window of time. we have time to start healing the harm that we've inflicted. so the main message is every single individual -- that's you, me and everybody in the audience of everybody who is listening --

each one of us make an impact on the planet every single day and we can choose what sort of impact we want to make. >> one final question. what is this prop doing between you and me? >> okay. well, he's called mostage. he was given to me 20 years ago by a man named jerry horn. jerry horn was blinded in the u.s. marines. he decided to become a magician. everybody said, how can you become a magician if you're blind? he said, i can try. he does shows for kids. they don't know he's blind. in the end he says, something may go wrong in your life, and if it does, don't give up. he does scuba diving, skydiving. he taught himself to paint blind. never painted before. anyway, he thought he was giving me a stuffed chimpanzee for my

birthday, and i made him hold the tail. chimpanzees have tails, jerry. so he is my symbol for the indomitable human spirit, the people i meet who tackle the impossible and won't give up. there are icons, nelson mandela, who emerged from 17 years of hard physical labor and had the amazing ability to forgive so that he could end the evil regime of apartheid. but all around us, there are people tackling personal, environmental or whatever, big ones or small ones, and i have succeeding in inspiring people to join in the battle. and i think the most important thing every single one of us, as every single one of this

audience, every single person who is listening, we all have that indomitable spirit. but we don't always recognize it, we don't always feed it, we don't always let it out in the world to do good, to inspire, to take action. >> one final thought on the indomitable human spirit. >> the inspiration rubs off. you better hold him. >> i will. i will hold him. you also have -- i don't know whether ilts spirit's spirit, w it's mind, whether it's temperament or genetic, but you're 84 years old. you travel 300 days a year. what's the secret of not getting jet lag? >> it doesn't exist. i go by the sun. the sunris rises, it's morning. the sun sets, it's night. >> there you have it, the indomitable spirit. such an honor.

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it leads to my question. which country did iran use as an intermediary this week to officially protest the arrest of a journalist? sweden, switzerland, france or germany? and now to "the death of truth" by michiko kakutani. she literally explains the political and cultural forces that brought us to our current sorry condition. a must-read. the answer to my gps challenge this week is b. iran asked the swiss ambassador to the islamic public to protest the journalist's arrest which it had called highly political. since formal diplomatic ties were broken between the u.s. and

islam in 1980, the two countries are diplomatic to one another. thanks to all of you for being part of my davos program this week. i'll see you next week. hello, everyone, and thank you so much for joining me this sunday. i'm fredricka whitfield. the u.s. government is open for business for now, but the clock is ticking. democrats and republicans have just 19 days to agree on a bill to fund the government past february 15th. if they cannot, the president has threatened to use executive action to fund his border wall. while the government has reopened, the damage is already done. that historic shutdown cost the u.s. economy at least $6 billion, according to a new report by s&p global ratings. that is more expensive than the