base. >> you're assuming nancy pelosi is going to give money for a wall. >> well, that's called compromise. >> i agree with you. >> what i'm saying is he is going to have to move. and if he doesn't move. >> so does she. >> yeah, i agree with that. they all think they can win on that, david. >> let me say what -- the way i would rephrase what we were just talking about is there's a what i would call -- sherrod brown talks about a phony where you appeal to the working people and say your situation is awful. you know who i'm going to blame? i'm not going to blame big pharma. i'm not going to blame big corporations, i'm going to blame these brown people stealing your job. yes, that can work, but it divides the country. at the end of the day, it's not a true story. the reason that the working class people in this country are struggling and our wages are chloe lowe, you have sectors in whole parts of the country where you have almost no immigration and people still can't way their bills and they're working two or three jobs. so, yes, somebody could sell some phony populism on this

thing but i hope the democrats figure out some way to unite. >> just a couple of things. one, back to the stacey abrams speech. that's a very difficult job. that's the best response democrat or republican i can remember in some years. it's a very difficult job. it's a thankless job. also, you learn about the differences between the two parties. she talked about voting rights. she talked about climate change and she talked about guns. well did not hear any of those subjects from the president of the united states. democrats believe that animates their coalition. they believe it helps them, and they believe especially on the issue of climate change, especially on the issue of voting right, it helps them to talk about things the president won't talk about. you can shrug all you want. >> the republicans don't support any of those things. why would you talk about them? >> well, all americans should want our president, whatever the disagreements are, just look at his own national security review. every leader, whatever his party should be talking about climate change. the president of the united states at this moment in the world did not mention climate change in even a sentence is frankly a disgrace. any president, democrat or

republican. but back to the president and what the governor was just saying, look, the president has to make a choice. this town, sadly, you have some experience over here from when it with australia little different, this town sadly has proven in the last 20 years it can only do one thing at a time. sometimes it can't even do one thing at a time. so the president has to make a choice. if we stay in this immigration debate, that's all we are going to do. we'll have another potential government shutdown in two weeks or he'll assign something to keep the government open but then declare the national emergency. it will end up in court. and any goodwill that was built tonight, any potential opening that was built tonight will be gone. does he want to? david can remember this in the early days of the obama administration. they went with the stimulus plan and then health care. the town just went like that. so will the president cut a deal, accept a compromise? you're right, he would have to get speaker pelosi to put something on the table to get it, and then say let's do infrastructure or let's do prescription drugs, let's do something where we can actually work together, or are we going to stay in this all or nothing

conversation for another two weeks, three weeks, four weeks, because if we do, forget any of this other stuff getting done. >> john, you know the conference committee, the people working on this whole immigration thing, they're going down apparently to camp david to kind of talk this all through with the chief of staff. they're definitely going to put something in. >> totally. >> to mollify him. is he willing to take it? >> yes. >> is it enough or is he just going to say -- no. >> no disrespect to mick mulvaney, but we work in a town where even the republicans aren't sure that the chief of staff speaks for the president of the united states. they're not sure his son-in-law jared kushner speaks for the president of the united states. they're not sure the vice president speaks for the president of the united states on these issues. they need to hear from him. >> god invented the fig leaf so politicians could have something to hide behind so they can declare victory. and i'm thinking he is going to look for a fig leaf. maybe not. i don't know. gloria, you don't think so? >> i don't know. every time i think donald trump is going to do something and compromise, it doesn't happen. it didn't happen. >> he should do that, because

this is a loser for him. >> yeah, i agree. >> but he hasn't always been willing to do that because he's worried about getting hectored. >> he's already saying the wall is being built. >> right. >> if you are listening to what he is saying, he is saying we are building a new wall. we have new contracts going out. we are spending money on it. the wall is being built. and it just, you know -- >> and why shout shut down the government. >> but why not accept some sort of compromise if you're already saying it's being built? >> i think it's easy to get money. nobody really should object to barriers where barriers are needed. and i don't think any democrats do. so i think it's easy to come to a point of agreement if the president, whose rejected these kinds of things before, is willing to do a deal, his base will allow him to do that. >> if the president can then say look, new wall. >> i think what happens is democrats will say what i just said, which is barriers are

needed in places where barriers are needed. we're not going build unnecessary walls as a symbol, but we all agree there is a range of things we need to do on border security and barriers are a piece of that. >> want to keep democrats the punching back. >> this weakness that president trump showed by what he didn't talk about. he did not talk about the shutdown. he did not talk about the furloughed workers. he did not talk about mass shootings. so there is -- there are some things that he has done, sticking with the nra, shutting the government down, he is obviously not proud of or he knows they're political losers because he didn't talk about them, didn't defend them, didn't brag on them at all. it's not just what he says. it's what he doesn't say you got to watch. >> thanks, anderson. one of the moments that got a lot of grimacing and other negative reactions from democrats was when president trump referred to the partisan investigations. in fact, i think the quote was ridiculous partisan investigations. we have with us congressman adam

schiff, the chairman of the house intelligence committee who is conducting an investigation. i know you would say it's neither partisan nor ridiculous. i want you to take a listen to what president trump exactly said. >> an economic miracle is taking place in the united states, and the only thing that can stop it are foolish wars, politics, or ridiculous partisan investigations. >> now the president is being investigated, and he and his family and his associates and his campaign and his inaugural committee are being investigated by various different organizations. the mueller group, the southern district of new york, the manhattan district attorney, the senate intelligence committee, the house judiciary committee, and your committee. i don't know which one he was referring to, maybe all, what was your reaction? >> well, when he started that sentence by the only thing that can get in the way of the economy is ridiculous, i thought he would have said ridiculous

government shutdowns, because that had the most demonstrable negative impact on the economy. look, this is a president whose had two years of getting used to no oversight whatsoever by the congress. a congress that was essentially not even a rubber stamp, but no stamp at all. just absent. and so he is bridling under the fact that with a democratic majority, we're going to do our job. we're not going to a quo equal branch of government. we're not going to turn the other way when we see corruption or malfeasance. we're going get to the bottom of what russia has done. we're going to get to the bottom whether the russians still possess financial leverage over the president. we would be negligent in not doing so. >> so you're working with the bipartisan members on your committee? >> it started out bipartisan and the republicans decided to shut it down. well will invite them to rejoin the investigation. it's my hope that they will. we'll find out in short order. >> dana has a question. >> i want to drill down on something jake was talking

about. the southern district of new york, cnn reported -- i'm sure you saw it today -- that the prosecutors up there in new york has requested interviews with executives at the trump organization. what do you make of that? >> well, a couple of things. first, we in our committee has shared the concern that there may have been foreign money put into the inauguration through the inauguration committee through straw purchasers. we know that happened in part. we don't know the extent that may have happened. but it's part of a broader phenomenon that we have seen of people very close to the president, maybe the president's own family, trying to capitalize, trying to make money on his position on the office and here the head of the inauguration committee, if this memo can be believed, if it's accurate, was also trying to exploit for financial benefit his work on the inauguration. so we're looking into this. other offices obviously of the southern district are booking into this as well. it may also be a result of the fact that there is clearly an effort to shut down the mueller

investigation, and by these other offices taking this up, we can make sure that those who are responsible for breaking the law are brought to justice. >> an effort to shut down the mueller investigation different from what we've seen before? is there something new you've referred to? >> well, no. we've seen pressure from the white house all along to shut down mueller. we saw recently matt whitaker, this hand-picked acting attorney general, talked about how he could privately cripple the mueller investigation, saying publicly that it was coming to an end now. he shouldn't be speaking for the mueller investigation. that may be his way of trying to pressure mueller to wind things up. >> congressman schiff, you heard the president say specifically tonight he wants a border wall. he said that walls work. walls save lives. but he also said he wants a compromise. are democrats willing to compromise and provide at least some funds for what he calls barriers? forget about the word walls, barriers along at least part of the border with mexico. >> we are certainly ready to

find common ground on border security. and i hope this group of members that are working together will be able to do that. indeed, before he shut down the government, we already had. we had agreed on bipartisan funding for border security. but the problem here is we're not negotiating amongst ourselves in congress. we're really negotiating where the ultimate client is apparently a rush limbaugh or ann coulter. and what the president says or his people say don't necessarily buy in their position if he gets too much blowback. so whether we can reach a deal that's going to be acceptable to these conservative pundits, i doubt. but we are ready to work in a bipartisan way, and indeed we've already done that in the past. >> let's see what happens over the next few days. congressman schiff, thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> anderson, back to you. >> wolf, thanks so much. dana, what was the quote you said earlier? this was a psychotically incoherent speech that mixed eg

poop with cookies. >> that's what it is. i can't tell you how hurt people feel. i know immigration is an issue. this is good for the base or this policy thing or somebody made a vote. you have people living in real fear on a daily basis in this country, and they feel the president of the united states is licensing a kind of hatred against them. everybody's algorithm shows them something different in their feed. i'm always showing the videos of people going into walmart and people yelling at them in front of their children and abusing them because they feel they've been licensed now to do that. for me, i want to talk about criminal justice reform, because we work so hard. and i saw a different trump when he was talking than, and i watched donald trump personally move on that issue over a six-month period of time. i saw the impact on donald trump of seeing miss alice johnson come home. he talks about that video of her run across the street and hugging her children. every time i talk to him. i know that side of him.

and for him to go directly from that to again attacking the immigrants, for me it was just heartbreaking. and it causes real pain for real people. and i don't want us to treat this outside of the humanity of other parts of this speech. don't tell me people coming home from prison are good people. people coming home from prison, i can give you a second chance. i see your humanity, and then turn right around and snatch babies from mamas at the border and not say a mumbling word. and snatch paychecks from furloughed workers and not say a mumbling word. that part, that's what i was trying to put, these two things that don't go together were together in that speech. and i think it was unfortunate. >> any immigration compromise here should extend the right of daca, either to resolve daca and extend tps. that has to be a part of this. >> there is one other thing. everybody keeps talking about the wall. the problem that we're facing with many of these things are

located in these countries that are our neighbors, and we're not doing enough to help them to solve their problems, whether it's economic aid or security aid, but i believe that the daca folks, that that should be done, and it should be part of this deal. tps, i don't know how you figure all that out. but we don't want these people living under fear every day that they're going have to leave. >> senator santorum on daca? >> thing is a compromise that will include some element of daca, some element of these tpa folks. >> the thrill in your voice, though. >> look, it's a compromise. i don't know about too many people that get thrilled when you compromise, but you do it. and that's the whole idea. you need to do it, and i think the president will do it. van, to suggest that when the president and republicans and conservatives care about the security of our border, care about people coming into this country and committing crimes, as we saw pointed out by the three women in the audience

whose grandparents were killed, those are real issues too. that's real pain too. that's real fear too. there are people who are afraid and have a reason to be afraid because their neighborhoods aren't safe, because there are people here doing things that are harmful. so the idea that you throw a few videos that some people are afraid because you have an idiot in walmart yelling at somebody, and i would agree. >> not just one. >> it be a hundred. it's wrong. i can condemn it. the president can condemn it. >> you think the president would not condemn someone? >> it's happening across the country. people with maga hats on unfortunately doing. this you talk about it differently. listen you, have you a similar politics of the head with donald trump, but a different politics of the heart. i don't hear you saying the kinds of things about people that he does. i disagree with you on policy, but i can understand where you're coming from. the way the president talks about it causes people to feel that people who are here

undocumented are less than, and that's wrong. and i think your faith and my faith prohibits that. >> all i would say is i would agree with you that the president's rhetoric at times is incendiary, and at times can give a bad impression of what the president's policies are, and john goes crazy when he does it. i go crazy when he does it. but the reality is what the president has put out there on immigration is a reasonable proposal, and i'm hopeful. >> you mean tonight? you're talking about tonight? >> what he talked about. >> let me ask a question. this story has surfaced in the last few days about the fact this the president himself has as a policy and a business hired undocumented workers in all of his -- in many of his properties, and so -- >> that goes become to the building of trump tower. >> he obviously doesn't feel like he is subjecting his guests to the threat of violence. he hires them for probably because he thinks they're good workers.

so how do you square all of that? and isn't that a political problem for him? >> i would agree that it's a political problem. it goes to the point i was making earlier, which is republicans don't mind illegal immigration, because it provides a supply of workforce that may be a lot cheaper than you would get otherwise. and that's why we have e-verify. i know the trump organization is not going use e-verify, but they should have been using it from the beginning. they should have set an example. i think it's a black eye for the president. >> have i another question, can i ask you guys. >> of course. >> can you understand, i think you probably can, but i'm not sure if you can. can you understand -- >> back to the same relationship. >> you guys were doing so well. >> i know. >> one time i agree with her, she turns on me. >> maybe you'll agree with me, but can you understand how people, democrats and people who are supporting the immigrant community who hear what the president says about a wall and about border security, but when he -- when the whole purpose is

security, and democrats are saying we are willing to give you border security, and we're willing to do it in the smartest way you have el chapo in prison right now and drugs were being smuggled in a tunnel. a wall is not going to stop that. democrats want to be able to give a smart deal, not a deal that's just a wall which seems to us like a campaign promise that was for the purpose of alien -- that was for the purpose of his brace and alienates brown people. alienates all people, at least on my side. can you understand why, though, can you understand why democrats hate the wall and are willing to give border security, and we don't understand why republicans don't see that. just say yes. >> yes. >> hold on, no, no, no, no. yes, i understand it, but that's not what the president's proposing. what the president has proposed and has been proposing is much more than just a wall. so the idea that the president is only proposing a wall, he has

never just proposed a wall. he says as part of a bigger package of border security, i need components of a wall because i think that is critical. you may not agree with that. >> no, no. i'm just -- he is insisting on a wall because that was a promise he made in the campaign. >> you were governor. when you ran on something and you made a central point. >> border security was my promise. >> i feel like i'm back in the debates. >> getting left out. >> what about a bigger issue. like comprehensive immigration reform. what about a guest worker program? what about things that make sense in addition to border security? >> hello. >> one other thing i think is really important, we cannot have family separation at the border where these children are being taken from their -- >> then change the law. change the law. >> the fact is you don't want to have a policy that says well, if we have that, maybe people won't come. the law needs to be changed.

comprehensive immigration reform. >> the law doesn't require it. >> have some security at the border, but we can all agree what is happening now to these children is terrible. they are separated. well don't know where they are. >> like mexicans coming over to be returned to the country. right now they can't be returned. so that's the problem. and in the law. >> let's go fix it. >> you can make this case in the republican primary, there is one available coming up. no, i don't ask the question to be a jerk in the sense does anybody at the table believe, i know from time to time he has said it, but given the history of the last two years that this president of the united states would sign legislation -- you say comprehensive immigration reform, to democrats, because they control the house now. when they're in the minority that. >> might have taken a different deal. they control the house now. to them, that means citizenship for the dreamers. do you believe this president, who as the senator rightly says ran on this issue would sign that legislation heading into his 2020 reelection? is there anything on the table? >> no.

>> hope always springs eternal, right? maybe i would see that happening. but look, here's what's happening in the country. the democrats are concerned about being primaried from the left and the republicans are concerned about being primaried from the right. and all they're doing is trying to protect their stake and protect their reelection. at some-point leaders will emerge who will come with the program that will be comprehensive, that will bring out -- >> these conversations about these big, huge comprehensive that people are having now, it's a waste of oxygen. it's not going happen. >> but, look, it's like homeowner. you just can't do it. you can do it little piecemeal, but it has to be thought of in a bigger way. and then what is the time that it takes to get there? but if you don't start the legitimate debate, then the time doesn't get run through the clock. >> but they're having the debate. i mean, they are having a debate. >> put some bills in that are comprehensive. >> some people like lindsey graham, as you know, wanted to

years ago, and the senate passed it. and then it died. >> i think it's brought to the floor now unless it's cooked. >> right. i don't believe the president would sign comprehensive immigration reform. >> it would be wrong. >> and to me underlying everything tonight is what can you belief that the president said tonight? what can you believe that he's really going to do? i mean, there was -- that he's proposed all these things. >> proposed very many things. >> well, you know, prescription drug benefits. >> eliminating hiv. >> eliminating hiv/aids by 2030. and he also said which sort of struck me that you have to reject the politics of revenge, resistance, and retribution. well, donald trump, what about that? >> right. >> nancy pelosi. >> exactly. but what about that? can i -- can i believe that donald trump, who talks about getting his enemies, who has always talked about that will give up retribution the way he

behaved after the 2018 election? for example, talking about mia love? can i believe that? should i believe that? >> right. we're 24 hours previously he had said -- >> show me. >> exactly. >> show me and just don't tell me. we'll see. we're talking about it all night. >> your speeches are tell me, but the world starts tomorrow, and you got to show me. absolutely right. >> that's right. one thing about the stacey abrams speech that was interesting, and i agree, john, that is a horrible job. you should get an unlisted number if you think you're going to be asked to give the response to the state of the union, because it almost always is a failure. >> but not this time. >> i think she did very well. but a lot of the themes that she struck were themes that were common to those democratic candidates who won in 2018 and, you know, so i think that she was hitting a lot of resonant themes. >> can i say something? >> yeah. >> it's something of a miracle that happened in that she still has a political career.

usually that is the beginning of a very bad couple years of the you. and the fact that you have stacey abrams stand up there, nobody is making fun of her. nobody is saying anything bad about her. she is not a meme. and the stuff that she talked about i think actually resonated. as you look out into that chamber in the senate and the house, and again, there is 300 people there and 400 people running for office, as you look out there, i hope they were taking notes tonight, not on donald trump, but on stacey abrams. i do think there is way to talk about the working class. by the way, undocumented workers are a part of the immigrant class. women are a part of the working class. there is a way to talk about the working class in a way that brings people together. i think stacey abrams did a great job of that tonight. >> i would say as i agree with the governor that she delivered a very good speech. she delivered the substance of the speech is one that is mainstream left-wing progressive just craziness, okay.

but she delivered it well. okay? >> that didn't seem like a compliment to me. >> she -- she has great stories. she wove them in. she is very, very good, and she is a great communicator for the democratic side. the substance of it, i don't buy at all. but what she said -- >> just as a matter of pure politics, a lot of the positions, whether it's on, you know, student loans or health care or so on, the things she talked about were things that were on which democrats have a majority view in this country. i mean, this position that the president has taken on the wall is not a majority view. that's not something she geared in on. you know, the positions he took on health care during the last few years were not majority positions. and there are a series of things that he did that caused -- some of them were behavioral, as you mentioned before, but caused the

republican party to suffer great setbacks in the fall of 2018. and she was keying into some of those things in a way that i think suggests -- >> those ideas are not just popular anymore with left wing folks. you talked about craziness. listen, medicare for all incredibly popular. however we get there, hey. >> green new deal is popular. a lot of this stuff is incredibly popular. how you get there is an issue. >> the rhetoric is popular. the policies maybe not. >> 2020. >> in my opinion, one challenge and not just 2020, but beyond. are the republicans able to generate really good new exciting ideas? if you take the issue of the division between the growing gap between the rich and the poor, the economic divide, so they say they want to have a5% tax rate or whatever, what is the republican response? it can't be well, that's the dumbest idea. what are you going to say about it? it's real. you know, the problem when we had obama care was that the republicans never proposed anything on health care.

>> they still haven't, so we get very comfortable rather than creating new ideas, and we saw that. i must say in the '90s, middle of the '90s, we had a loft good, new exciting ideas. we haven't seen them for a long time. you've got to get in the game. >> it is true what van said is right that there will be a big debate within the democratic party, and they'll end up somewhere on the spectrum on these issues. but they do speak to real-life concerns that people have. >> yes. >> and there is concerns -- there are concerns about health care. there are concerns about the cost of higher education. there are concerns about the great aggregation of wealth. most people in this country have been peddaling faster and faste over the last decade or two while most of the growth has been captured by a very small group of people. that's not to say those are small people, but it is a problem for the country. and if you can address those things in a serious way, i think you run a very strong risk of

losing. >> but the democrats you notice here have been retreating from these hard positions of 70% tax rates or medicare for all. when you ask them about it, you see they're sort of going whoops, i've got to move a bit this way. you're seeing it from almost all of them. they realize if they get too far out there on the left and he's on the right, that opens up that big ocean for your favorite candidate. >> who is my favorite candidate? >> howard schultz. >> oh, my gosh. >> one of the issues the president brought that got bipartisan applause, i said this repeatedly, and i'm working with senator chris dodd. i'm trying to actually come up with some ideas that we can recommend to the congress on paid parental leave. and to me, this is an area where the president's for it. ivanka, it's her issue. you saw her jump to her feet and enthusiastic. i'm actually out there doing what you did on criminal justice, which is talking to conservative groups, trying to -- you know, and immediately

say oh, that's a terrible idea. and then you walk through it and they say oh. if you talk than, that sort of makes sense. but if the democrats come and say no, we want everything in the world and we want to spend $100 billion on it, we're not going get that bill. and so this is where -- if there is real leadership in the house, if nancy has real leadership in the house and come in and say look we can actually make some progress for american families here. well can actually do something strong. >> i was happy to do that. >> take the step like you just did. >> i was happy. ivanka trump was smiling and i was hope that see that because this should bring us together. you're talking about paid family leaf. the other economic stuff you were talking about i thought was more dicey. he was taking credit for the economy doing really well. >> no president -- >> listen, what i would say about that let's be clear that yes, the economy is doing well in a literal straight line from the obama economy, and i think it's important.

>> what? up. >> yes, it was up. >> no, no. it's a straight line. that's one thing. the other thing i want to say is this. i don't think that we've talked enough about some of the uses for lack of a better term. that tree of life shooting that was referenced. that was a right wing, white supremacist, anti-jewish murderer whose not alone. there is a threat in this country that is rising in terms of extreme violence and extremism, and it's not coming from immigrants. it's not coming from socialists. it's coming from this particular growing group of people. >> as you know, as you saw after this, there is as much anti-semitism on the left -- in fact, i would argue there is more anti-semitism on the left. >> here's what i know. >> go to college campuses. >> the bullets that are being fired and the people who are being killed are being killed too often now by right-wing

extremists in our country who sometimes feel encouraged by donald trump. it's not his fault maybe. maybe it's not. but the fact that we aren't each talking about, he doesn't talk about the broader context i think was a missed opportunity. >> you talk about anti-semitism in very strong terms. >> i think we all -- >> as we all should. >> i think he sees a political opportunity in this issue because he did talk about it. not that he shouldn't have talked about it. i'm glad that that he did. but, you know, this guess to the governor's point about how you behave when you're not giving the state of the union speech. so when neo-nazis march in charlottesville, you can't say there are good people on both sides. and therefore, you have a conflict when you spend so much of your time in the state of the union, and people have a right to ask, well, what does he actually believe. >> right. >> jim sciutto actually has the first of a couple of fact checks. let's go to him. jim? >> anderson, you know how

central the immigration debate is to not just the speech tonight, but also the coming possibility of an shutdown. so let's get to two of the key claims the president made tonight to justify his positions. let's start with immigrants and crime. have a listen to the president. >> year after year, capitalist americans are murdered by criminal illegal aliens. >> so you heard the president there. that's the claim. connecting crime to immigrants. what are the facts behind this? well, a 2018 study by the libertarian cato institute which reviewed criminal conviction data from the texas department of public safety found immigrants, legal or illegal are in fact less likely than native-born americans to be convicted of crime. more broadly, these are the texas data here, more broadly, there is also generally a decrease in the number of giant crimes across the country. again, according to the fbi here, other studies have found that murder rate robbery, aggravated assault, they have not increased alongside an

uptick in undocumented immigration since 1990. the undocumented immigrants do not contribute to an increase in drug overdoses and dui deaths, and that young undocumented immigrants engage actually in less crime than their american or legal immigrant peers. those are the national figures here. as you know, trump has repeatedly cited crimes committed by undocumented immigrants during both his presidential campaign and as justification for the desired wall. and this is the second time he's invited family members of victims of crime by undocumented immigrants to the state of the union address. but is that a key connection? is that key connection based on the facts? our verdict here, it is at best misleading. the data does not make that connection. so let's get to border barriers that very central to the president's wall. listen to the president tonight. >> the border city of el paso, texas used to have extremely high rates of violent crime, one

of the highest in the entire country, and considered one of our nation's most dangerous cities. now immediately upon its building, with a powerful barrier in place, el paso is one of the safest cities in our country. >> so that's the president's claim there, that the wall made the difference in el paso. that's why it's one of the safest cities in the country. does the data back that up? according to an analysis of fbi crimes data and city law enforcement data analyzed by the el paso times, violent crime in el paso actually peaked in 1993. it peaked way back here, and between 1993 and 2006, those violent crimes, they fell by some 34%. that border fence? that was authorized many years into this drop, way down here in

2006. construction didn't actually begin until 2008. wrapped up around then. and according to the el paso times, from 2006 to 2011, violent crime in el paso actually increased a little bit here. so when you look at that data, remember, big drop in crime. but the wall wasn't approved until here, and it wasn't built until here, and you actually see an uptick. this is an easy one for us. the verdict on that claim false. and this is an example the president, the white house is consistently cited as justification for a longer border wall along that border. anderson? >> all right, jim. we'll come back to you shortly. coming up, our cnn instant poll of speech watchers. what they thought of the president's address. stay with us. >> cnn's coverage of the state of the union address is brought to you by shrm. now here is a message from sherm president and crow. >> much of what you heard during

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quickly, i want to go to david. he has an instant poll. the country is reacting, the less those who watch. what have you got here? >> at least those who watched. this is our first look at a brand-new instant poll, but it is among speech watchers. so i just want to stress here for a state of the union address, the president's president's partisans, his supporters tend to turn out to watch the speech. this is true of a president of

either party. tonight we saw a heavily skewed republican audience turn out to watch the president's speech. but look at this. a very positive reaction from those who watched the speech tonight. 59% very positive. 17% somewhat positive. 23% negative. i want you to see that very positive number, how that compares to donald trump's performances in the last couple of years when he has given a speech to a joint session of congress like this. you'll see that he was again at 59%. he was down at 48% very positive a year ago. back when he first started the job and he addressed the congress, he was at 57%. so he is back up. this is a -- this is a speech-watching audience that was more receptive this year than last year what they saw. here's the rub. even this very favorable audience to donald trump does not believe his call for bipartisanship is going to meet with success. take a look. will donald trump increase bipartisan cooperation? a majority of speech watchers, again, a heavily republican audience, 53% say no.

39% say yes. so all that talk of bipartisanship seems to be being met by with the people who watch the speech by a healthy dose of skepticism, wolf. >> thank you very much, david, for that. jake, we've got a special guest. >> that's right. joining me now is tom perez, chairman of the democratic national committee. he was in the house chamber during tonight's speech as a guest of house speaker nancy pelosi. thank you so much for being here, mr. chairman. >> good to be with you. >> tonight we heard president trump say a lot of things. one of the things i know democrats really took issue with was the picture he painted with undocument. ed immigrants. take a look at a clip of that. >> we are removing these gang members by the thousands, but until we secure our border, they're going to keep streaming right back in. year after year, capitalist americans are murdered by criminal illegal aliens.

>> and you had some people in the chamber, in the house chamber who were victims, their families had been victimized by undocumented immigrants. what was your response? >> well, it was the same old distracting divisive donald trump. it was the run-up to the midterm elections. there was i think one sentence tonight about preexisting conditions, and how many minutes about the manufactured crisis at the boarder? you just did a fact check at the other panel about what he said about criminal aliens, what he said about el paso, texas. i think el paso got false. every member of congress from a border area opposes the wall. it was more of the distraction. and it just -- it is the divisive donald that the antithesis of what was represented in stacey abrams. when we put hope on the ballot, when we bring america together, that's when we're at our best. his first line of the night was

i come together as two parties, not as one nation. i think what he deliberately left out i he was going to say one nation, indivisible with justice and liberty for all. he kept that out because that hasn't been a part of what he has done. this is the same old, same old. i can't say i'm surprised by that because this is the playbook for donald trump. >> mr. chairman, i want to ask you about something else the president said tonight, about socialism, making clear his opposition to that. >> here in the united states, we are alarmed by the new calls to adopt socialism in our country. tonight we renew our resolve that america will never be a socialist country. >> not exactly subtle where he was going with that. socialism is a dirty word among republicans, but not so much among democratic primary voters.

>> this was dog whistle politics. the whole -- jake, your quest n question's about immigration. this question is about socialism. dog whistle politics. i just find it amazing that we -- i was there for i think it was an hour and 20 minutes. it felt like fife hours. jose andreas was next to me, the chef, and he during the immigration point, again, we all were just apoplectic, but respectful. and what we see here once again is the effort to divide. we should be talking about how we're going to come together around health care. we should be talking about -- he talked about a quote/unquote economic miracle. talk to the people who are working two and three jobs, struggling to make ends meet. they haven't gotten a real raise in years because real wage growth has been stagnant. people are working harder and falling behind. and so he uses dog whistle politics, socialism. he uses immigration, and the

border talk, the caravans are coming, to distract us from the culture of corruption that is there. and then he -- in a nixonian way says no investigations. that's the donald trump that we saw in the campaign. that's the donald trump we've seen for two years. and frankly, that's a preview of his closing argument in 2020. >> he also brought up some rather controversial comments by the governor of virginia on abortion, late-term abortion. listen to this. >> and then we had the case of the governor of virginia where he stated he would execute a baby after birth to defend the dignity of every person i am asking congress to pass legislation to prohibit the late-term abortion of children. who can feel pain in the mother's womb. >> what was your reaction to that? >> it's the 58 pinocchios. the bill they're talking about in virginia is about what

happens when a mother's life is in danger. that's that bill. but, again, misstate the facts, dog whistle politics. donald trump at his worst. but, again, you know, one sentence on preexisting conditions. >> very quickly, you think north republic governor, should stay as governor of virginia? >> i think he should step down. he's lost the confidence of the voters. when you lose the confidence of the voters, you've lost everything. >> chairman, thanks for joining us. tom perez, chairman of the dnc. just ahead, we're going to be fact checking more of the president's claims. our reality check on what the president said about the economy. one of the windiest places in america. and home to three bp wind farms. in the off-chance the wind ever stops blowing here... the lights can keep on shining. thanks to our natural gas. a smart partner to renewable energy. it's always ready when needed. or... not. at bp, we see possibilities everywhere.

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hey, tom, do you hear me? it's anderson. >> yes. >> you hear me? >> yes, i do, anderson. >> all right. let's go. i think you're on. i think he was talking to somebody else. >> the president is very proud of what has happened with the economy, and he wasted no time in talking about that tonight. listen. >> more people are working now than at any time in the history of our country, 157 million

people at work. all americans can be proud. that we have more women in the workforce than ever before. the unemployment rate has been very low throughout this process. but do bear in mind a few things. one, when you talk about more people being employed, men or women, that's been rising year after year. so, we've reached those benchmarks under many presidents. and as a percentage of the population, the number of people who are employed is still below pre-recession levels. and the number of women has been backsliding lately. but on the raw numbers, yeah, what he said was true. >> african-american,

hispanic-american, and asian-american unemployment have all reached their lowest levels ever recorded. >> have all reached, have all reached. that's a tricky statement. last year, in may, june, july, yeah. these were great, great numbers here. but they have slipped since then. and he has not mentioned that, didn't say anything about that. in the past tense, what he said was true. in the present tense, what he said was false. what about some of the industry driving those jobs? >> we have unleashed a revolution in american energy. the united states is now the number one producer of oil and natural gas anywhere in the world. >> look another tt the numbers. the united states has taken the lead. but again, context matters. that all started back here under barack obama, and has been

working its way steadily up. so, does trump get some of the credit? yes. but when he tries to claim all of it, it's true but misleading. and last of all, he talked about the people that he wants to fill certain jobs, and congress won't help him out. >> this new era of cooperation can start with finally confirming the more than 300 highly qualified nominees who are still stuck in the senate, in some cases, years and years waiting. not right. >> a lot of presidents have this complaint that congress doesn't move that fast on their nominees out there. but there are 144 positions for which the white house hasn't even named anybody for the job. for him to suggest this is all the fault of congress is flat-out misleading. you can find out a whole lot more about what our fact check team has been doing at cnn.com.

>> tom, thanks very much. just, what happens tomorrow. you have this looming. >> what a great question. you see it in the flash poll, the president helped himself somewhat out in the country tonight. the polls, people like to hear from their president. he helped himself. the question is, what does he make of it? if that's an opportunity, what does he make of it? he didn't help himself in the room, especially by raising the wall, calling the democrats socialists, criticizing their investigations. you can change that if you harness it. but the question is, until they figure out the immigration stuff and the spending plan, we're on a treadmill. what will happen? we don't know. >> and after he gets off of that, where does he want to spend his energy and passion? the most energy he had was about

immigration, you can tell, this is his signature issue. what's the issue after this? is there something that's akin to criminal justice reform, family leave, we'll have to see. the president hasn't followed through on anything but immigration. >> it's a shame he didn't follow up more on the infrastructure piece. only one line, which i was surprised at. i think there was a moment where you could get bipartisan support. i also say because i really do think this skewed republican, the audience did, as it would skew democrat. but even more so, because trump is so polarizing, many democrats can't bear, honestly, to watch him. >> a lot of people felt that way about obama. >> i'm not saying it's not true about others. but i'm not sure how many democrats or independents he persuaded tonight. >> it's not clear how unifying

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president trump and democrats. >> don't sit yet. yeah, i like this. at exactly one century after congress passed the constitutional amendment giving women the right to vote, we also have more women serving in congress than at any time before. >> that was obviously one moment. what did you make of that. >> what he didn't mention, they're democrats in the house and that's why there are more women. but that was the only huge applause that he got from both sides. and from nancy pelosi, who was more than enthusiastic about that one. >> then they started chanting, usa, usa. >> that was awesome. >> that brought the conservative

war cry together with the women, that was a great moment. >> it was a great moment. >> he'll get a bump off of this. we'll see how long. >> thank you all. great discussion tonight. a special edition of "cuomo primetime" starts right now. thank you, anderson. hello, everyone, i'm chris cuomo, welcome to a special super sized edition of "primetime." we have two hours tonight, president trump has delivered his state of the union to a deeply divided congress. they said it was about uniting tonight. did he succeed? did he change any minds? and what happens after tonight? he'll probably get a bump. that's not unusual. how long will it last? especially with the fact that we may be steamrolling towards another government shutdown. there are multiple probes