good evening. i'm van jones. we have a packed show for you tonight. we got 2020 presidential hopeful julian castro in the building. i know you're happy he's going to be here. amazing guy. also, it's been a while but i got back in my van. yes, van in van. this time i talked to handful of black voters in columbia, south carolina. tonight, you are going to get surprising insight sboos tinto

issues they care about and the issues they don't care about. first, let's talk. it's been another crazy week of head spinning, headlines from blackface to black hamaiblackma. you have jeff bezos saying the national enquirer is trying to blackmail and extort. he's probably the wrong guy to be messing with. you have the state of virginia in disarray because of blackface. we had a polarizing state of the union speech from our republican president and an equally proposal from our congressional democrats. you got a lot happening all at once. it's easy to get overwhelmed, get triggered and go to our

corners. i'm as guilty of this as anybody else most days. we got to remember a very important word from our school days. that word is knew answnuance. we have to learn stuff together. this word socialism, that immediately sends people running to that you are corners especially older voters who remember the cold war, the iron curtain, the soviet union. that's not what these younger voters are talking about. when they say socialism, they want to be able to go to college without being in debt for the rest of their lives or if they get sick, maybe see a doctor. most older voters went to college when it was much, much cheaper or even tuition free. they already have socialized medicine. it's called medicare. rather than let the socialism word drive us apart, many young voters are asking for things that their grandparents already have or once had. does that mean we're headed toward venezuela? i don't think so.

everything is not so black and white. even blackface is not black or white. white people painting their faces and acting out black ster ster stereotypes is racist and terrible. fine. all offenses are not equal. in virginia the attorney general is facing calls to resign because he came forward and admitted he painted his face like a rapper when he was 19. dumb, offensive. he was a teenager. teenagers do dumb stuff. as a fully grown man he came forward, admitted it and apologized. we all make mistakes. all you can ask the people is own their screw ups and learn and grow. that's totally different than the governor of virginia, he was a 25-year-old medical student, not a teenager and it wasn't just black face. somebody in the picture was wearing a klan hood. that's a terrorist organization. then he apologized but never explained whether he was the guy in the klan hoods or the black face. then he took the apology back

and said never mind. i wasn't that in that photo. got confused where i painted my face like michael jackson and his wife had to tell him not to moon walk at a press conference. that guy probably should not be the governor of a state. nuance. difference. i want to also argue that even president trump sometimes deserves a more nuance view. that's a tough assignment because of the awful stuff that he sometimes does and says. during the state of the union, i was furious with trump. i saw him undermining his humanitarian appeals on cancers by tossing out this anti-immigrant red meat. seems like he was trying to blame everything in the country on undocumented people. you cannot unite and divide at the same time. i just let trump have it.

trump did something important that night which i did not acknowledge. when he paid tribute to two formerliy incarcerated people i the gallery. in fact, trump set an example for everybody in the country when he looked up at matthew charles and he said this. >> thank you, matthew. welcome home. [ applause ] >> that may have been first time a u.s. president has ever done that for somebody coming home from prison. in those moment, honestly, i don't know how to both denounce the bad stuff he does while acknowledging and encouraging some of the good stuff. that may require even more nuance than i'm capable of. i want to keep trying to figure it out. we have to keep trying to figure it out. anybody who wants to be president next really has got to be good at nuance. let me see if any next guest has

any ideas for us. he's a former kid mayor of san antonio. he is a twin, like me. welcome to the van jones show, julian castro. look at this guy. look at this guy. >> i've never been called a kid mayor but i was young. good to be with you. >> not only were you a young mayor, you were a young cabinet official. you've been a leader your whole life. why do you want to get involved in this mess now. why woiuld you run for presiden in the middle of this insanity.

for me it's about the fact that i have been so blessed, like you have, like a lot of folks have who had great opportunity in this country. that didn't happen by accident. i want to make sure those same opportunities are there for families akros the united states. i have a strong vision for the future of the country. >> you saw the state of the union speech from trump. what did you make of what he's up to in that speech? >> here's the thing. every state of the union, it doesn't matter which president it is, they say nice words. you know going in that you'll get nice words. the difference with this president is we have seen time and again that his words don't match his actions.

he can't unite the country if he constantly uses the language of division. >> how would you resolve this issue of immigration? >> i'm hopeful because i think there are places we can compromise. the democrats have mentioned several times of investments in the budget that hi are willing to make in things like more personnel at the border. better technology and always securing the ports of entry. folks may have seen about a week and a half ago, we had one of our largest busts of fentanyl. that didn't come through the se se -- sdedesert. it came from the port of entry. >> what's your ideal vision?

what would work for america? you were mayor in san antonio. a lot closer to the border than washington, d.c. what do you think would work? >> the blueprint was in 2013 there was comprehensive immigration reform. republicans and democrats, if it had been put to a vote in the house, it would have passed but it wasn't. it would include an earned pathway to citizenship for the dreamers. i think it's false choice in order to have border security we have to be cruel the way this administration is insisting. >> you're being called the latino candidate and kamala is being called the black girl magic candidate, do you think this demographic pigeon holding

is destructive, something to embrace? how do you think about your role as maybe first latino nominee or president? >> that's one of the both opportunities and challenges of this particular cycle. i know there are a lot of parents who can tell their little boy and little girl, you can do it. he's doing it. i've always blooefd when ever you serve in office, you have to serve everybody. i think there will be special meaning in my candidacy. i'm aware i have to have policy proposals and a vision that includes everybody. >> do you think trump would like to run against a person of color? he was getting people angry about obama. obama wasn't even running. >> he was a birther. i can only imagine as a

mexican-american, the things they will come up with. >> how do you turn that -- he might think you're his dream opponent. how do you turn that into a nightmare for him? >> i'm going to win florida, texas and arizona. 78 electoral votes that will speak loudly. i believe i can go -- if i'm the nominee and get back places like michigan and wisconsin and pennsylvania and also go get florida, texas and arizona, which we have not been able to do. >> first you have to win the primary. right now your name recognition is not high. like 60% of people still don't know who you are. how does that make you feel? is that like bad for your sel self-esteem? >> i see that as opportunity. people who know who i am have a

favorable impression of me. if i keep doing interviews like this and knock on doors, i'll pick up a lot of momentum. >> you served with biden. what do you think about him? there seems to be a clamoring for him to get in. does that mean people in the party don't want the younger face. they want somebody more established. how do you read the biden fever? >> having been in the administration and seen up close his work, i have tremendous respect for him. i think he's had a fantastic legacy of public service. i get the sense out there that people want a new generation of leadership. i traveled a lot oaf the last few years and especially during the last two years supporting candidates in the 2018 cycle. i don't say that as anything personal against one person. the sense that i get is that people want a knew genernew gen

leadership. in this race, just speaking for myself, i believe that i'm going to bring a vision for the country that represents the future. >> do you think that biden should sit it out? >> i wouldn't say that. >> why not? >> he served add a vice president. so many people respect him. he would be a fantastic candidate. >> you mentioned vice president. you said you don't want to be the vice president. you had some sting to it. i we >> i went through the vice presidential process. you're supposed to pretend like you don't care.

that vp provecess you're counti on pone person. that's not my type of politics. i've kind of been there and done that. i'm running for president. >> do you think hillary clinton made a mistake not picking you? >> i wouldn't say that. it's hard to tell. >> i think he thinks that. we'll have a lot more to talk about when we come back with julian castro including what he thinks about the influence of socialism on the democratic party and something he and i have in common that's shaped both of our lives. we'll talk about that when we get back.

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tough topic. donald trump said the democrats are becoming a socialist party. i think a lot of people say that's just a bunch of rhetoric. in the latino community, you have a lot of people who have had real experience with real socialism whether it's venezu a venezuela, cuba. is this something he can make stick or a bunch of hype? >> i think it's another tactic to divide people. also what people are proposing is not socialism. socialism is where the state controls the means of production. generations pass had free tuition college. if you're in the military or older american, we get medicare,

tricare. we're not doing anything we haven't been doing for a long time. >> we give kids free education, kindergarten through 12th but if you give it in 13th grade it's the most interest of more folks going to college or apprenticeship program or training program are the people that believe in the private sector because we're going to get out compete bd by china and india that are producing tons of young people that are getting a higher education. if we don't keep up that, we'll fall to second or third place. >> i hear your passion on education. let's talk about medicare for all. that's another big topic that's come up. people think we will wipe out the insurance industry. when you say you're for medicare for all, what are you talking about? >> we should have a system where anybody who wants to be enrolled in medicare can get it. people have asking, well, can

somebody still have a supplemental plan or private health insurance. countries do this differently. i believe we can have a system where if somebody wants their own insurance plan that they can have it. here is what i don't believe. i don't believe your able to get health care when you need it should be determined by somebody's profit motive. everybody should have the access to health care and good health care when they need it. >> you and i have something in common in that we're both twins. when you have a roommate, that's one thing but when you have a womb mate, that's a whole different level. what's the impact of having this kind of shared journey with somebody as close to you as he is. >> as you know, there'sit. sounds corny but that's a bond unlike any other bond because you grow up in way where people see you as the same person a lot of times. where you're kind of fighting for your own identity but at the

same time you almost have somebody in life that god has given you that's perfectly made for you and understands you. i'm convinced i wouldn't be who i am and where i am if i hadn't grown up with him. >> did you have a fistfight to figure out who would run for president? >> i'm a minute older so i get first shot. >> i'm four minutes older. that's right. that's right. >> he knows his place. >> also, you're a dad. >> i am. >> you're father. you have two little kids. >> my wife and i have girl that's about to turn ten in about five weeks. we have a son who turned four on december 27th. >> that must have been tough. in the middle of their tender years put them through this wringer. what was that conversation like in your home? >> that was the hardest part of making a decision to run in the first place because to miss time with them when they are so young and these are the great memories

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welcome back to the van jones show. every democrat that's thinking about running in 2020 seems to be flocking to south carolina for good reason. it's an early primary. it's called the first in the south. it's got a reputation for making and breaking qua ining campaign. the black voters are a key constituency. south carolina had to deal with a number of high profile racial tragedies from the police killing of walter scott to the massacre of nine people at emmanuel ame church by a white supremacist. i wanted to go back and check in with the black voters in columbia, south carolina. i got in my van. yes, van in a van. i got some of their thoughts on

2020 and how we progressed. take a look. >> thanks, man. here we are in columbia, south carolina. big battleground state for the democrats. you already had so many candidates and could be candidates coming through here. why? because this is the first state in the whole primary process where the democrats look like the democratic party. big black vote. very diverse. whoever wins here will probably go on a run through the south. hey. >> hello, hello. >> welcome, welcome. good to see you. >> how you doing? get in this van. >> all right. >> for the democrats in the car,

anybody catch your eye yet? we have like 483 people running. >> right. >> anybody stand out? >> i think kamala harris is just black girl magic. hashtag black girl magic. she is amazing. i love elizabeth warren. >> you only name women. you didn't name one dude. >> i did. >> is that important to you? >> yes and no. i think that women have been long over due for our voices to be heard. i will not vote for someone just on the basis of their gender or their race. i want to hear how connected they are to the needs of people and if they are really talking about real reform, working across party lines. >> would you say that a beto or a bernie or a biden could not get your vote? >> i think i would definitely

support a person of color candidate. if the policy that the other person puts forward is significantly better and will impact people of color better then i would look at that. i would like to see people of color have a shot at making this thing happen. >> what about biden? >> if he gets to the democratic primary, he poses a series threat as far as electoral college goes. >> why? >> he's working class. i can see him pulling pennsylvania, michigan, ohio. the wisconsins of the world. >> i think we need someone who knows how to work across the aisle. you have a 35-day government shutdown somebody needs to figure out how to talk to someone. >> what's wrong with donald trump from the perspective of a

conservative black voter in south carolina? >> the divisiveness. the divisiveness. there are opportunities -- windows of opportunities, for instance in charlottesville where you didn't have to get some sterile response to what took place there. we went to world war fighting nazis. white supremacy needs to be dead and buried. their are vestages of the past. they will still haunt african-americans and haunt folks like me. we're not going to tolerate. we're not going to support someone that we have basically afraid of. there are a lot of people in the republican party who do not have those views. where we have fought is in being silent. >> you have to be outspoken on policy not just on issue of white supremacy. if you have policies that have racist impacts and you continue

to support those policies then you're not going to be able to eradicate what needs to be eradicated. >> if it comes down to trump versus a democrat, what you going to do? >> i have to clue. >> i guess that leaves the rest of us to do what we need to do. >> how do you, as a doctor, see this issue of medicare for all? >> i'm in support of something that will get my patients more health care, access and coverage. i had a 64-year-old who got her blood pressure under control, diabetes under control. everything is going well and then she had to retire but was not old enough to qualify for medicare which kicks in at 65. then she's going without health care coverage until her 65th birthday. we're seeing that a lot. we're seeing patients who

will -- who have to struggle with taking their blood pressure medication one month and taking their asthma medicine the next month. >> when ever my republican brothers and sisters talk about this, they say we can't afford to do this. we're already spending more money than everybody else and getting worse outcomes. why is that not a persuasive argument to try something different? >> we've got issues. medicare for all. you can't displace an entire industry in this country. you're talk about displacing 500,000 or a million people. now you're talk about the government being in the insurance business, although it already is, but it's being bloated. that can't happen. we can't afford that. >> i know you're in favor of not only medicare for all but in favor of free tuition. >> free college tuition. first of all, it's not going to happen. second of all it's not going to work. how will you pay nfor that?

>> taxpayers. >> jeff bezos. >> you can't penalize somebody for their success. >> why does it have to be looked at for their penalty? >> it is. >> we pay taxes. >> he did give it back. he built an empire. he built a company that employs people. it provides health care. he did give it back. >> what's the enticement for increasing wages? we have these billionaires and their workers are barely meeting the poverty line. >> there is going to be -- and there will always be in this country a situation where you have to pull yourself up by your own boot straps. that's not going to change. that's the nature of the beast as it relates to capitalism. >> i came to south carolina after mother emmanuel massacre.

tlp w there was a huge hope that the people would stay together. it does not seem that people have stayed together. what happened? >> people haven't just split apart. if you look at what government mass is doing right now, he's focused in on rural south carolina as it relates to education. that's predominantly black. part of what happened during that flag is a result of us now looking at more equity as it relates into the funding of education in south carolina. >> what does that flag mean to you when it was up and what does it mean coming down? >> it meant white supremacy and racism because it went up for that reason in 1960s. >> it meant american home grown terrorism. that's what it means. it means there are people who will continue to threaten your

existence. that you don't belong as a black person. that you're a second class citizen. >> once it came down and the legislature decided it was going to remain down, i think it was signal to say we're ready to keep moving forward. >> even though you guys may vote for different people in the primary, you do have unity as south carolinans that somebody beautiful did happen to bring the flag down and help people and that's going to keep going forward. [ applause ] >> coming up, the virginia democratic party is in complete meltdown mode because of these scandals and serious allegations going on. the state's governor and attorney general are admitting to dressing up in blackface in the past. how does this issue keep coming up in politics and pop culture and why is black face so offensive? we'll break it down when we get back.

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welcome back to the van jones show. the democrats are in complete disarray right now in virginia. for the moment i want to put aside the sexual assault allegations that are being made

against the lieutenant governor. he's denying those. that's an important conversation for another time. i want to focus on the controversy over blackface surrounding the governor and the attorney general. it's a bigger issue. a broader issue. whether it's young meghyn kelly or college fraternities getting busted. even gucci had to apologize for a sweater that people said looked like black face. we have the curator of music and performing arts national museum of african-american history and culture. we have raelynn barnes. she has a book coming out. give them a big round of applause for being here.

i think a lot of people are getting message that something is wrong with blackface but they don't understand why. why is wrong with people putting shoe polish on their face pretending to be black. >> it's all about knowing the history of black minstrel and it was white performers putting on a stage show darkening up their face and characituring black characters. they would portray african-americans as lazy, unintelligent, thieves. it was painful way of obje objectifying african-americans. >> this is a big part of the

culture of segregation is putting down african-americans. now you got people, i think dumpster diving trying to find folks yearbooks and stuff. this may be the tip of the iceberg. how deep is this history of blackface in. >> incredibly pervasive. i've been studying this for about 13 years. the relationship between political power and jim krou america and amateur black face ministstrel minstr minstrelcy. they were global celebrities in the 19th century black face performers. after the civil war in 1868 joined together with a group of politicians and publishers. the original name was the jolly corks which was a reference to performing in black face. why this is significant is the

elks club becauomes the largest fraternal order. >> i think what's important to point out aside from talking about the politicians and that long history is how popular blackface minstrelcy was a. it's really engrained in american psyche. the presence beyond politicians, people in schools and tell all countless kinds of stories of how people performing in black face where we have numerous instances of that. it's so engrained in american performance style it has such a harsh impact. >> when you see these images coming up to the present day, is it painful? >> of course. >> why? >> they are meant to african-americans. we're focusing a lot about race. they are often in drag.

it's meant to be humiliating for women, especially in power. i've been talking to women who in the 1950s and 1916 60s, african-american mothers had to start a new campaign to eradicate black face from school curriculum. they would finally get their child into an sbre graintegrate and be horrified their child had to be in black face performance or read sambo. these mothers said look at me. i'm a human being. i'm not this. look at my child who you are teaching and think about how this impacts us. >> do you feel the same way about the images when you see them? >> i have a visceral response. >> what is it? >> it's sadness. a sense of humiliation and

remine der remind reminders of past and the present. it's why these images are painful and why it's affected african-americans throughout this country. >> what do you think about people like megyn kelly? at what point is it okay for people who don't understand to ask the question. obviously they should have known better. >> it is important. megyn kelly was expressing confusion because she said i'm trying to do this is a form of appreciation. that's a really common question that i receive from people. i'm trying to honor somebody like beyonce or jay-z. we all love them but when you physically put on this makeup,

you're evoking this really long and upsetting and dark tradition and that's what i really want students, especially to be able to be exposed to and understand. >> the empathy and understanding is key. you raise the issue, you have to ask the question. you have to be open to hear the answer. >> we live in the united states of amnesia half the time. people are sometimes in their own little bubble of what they are doing. when your bubble runs over somebody else and somebody else's history that's a time for us to listen to each other. i cannot tell you how much i appreciate your expertise. give another big round of applause. great work. keep it up. coming up, alexandria ocasio-cortez just rolled out her plan for a green new deal.

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environmentalists. they're going further. they want a green new deal. what is that? >> think back to high school and the new deal you learned about when fdr rolled out in 1930s a program to boost the economy and provide jobs to people who were suffering under the great depression. supporters of the green new deal want to replicate that success with the added mission of easing climate change. they're getting some help from some congressional democrats. >> today is the day we choose to assert ourselves as a global leader in transitioning to 100% renewable energy. >> the preliminary plan is pretty bold. it calls for a major reduction in the use of fols fuels with the goal of switching to 100% renewable energy by 2030. that means making every home, business and factory energy efficient using green technology like wind or solar. another goal, working to eliminate greenhouse gas

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