welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. behind closed doors today and a public hearing tomorrow. long-time fixer michael cohen said the work went into his presidency. the president says he's lying. feeling the burn, take two. bernie sanders takes to the town hall and imagines a general election debate against president trump. >> well, we'll bring a lie detector along.

every time he lies, it goes beep. >> back tho that in a bit. we begin the hour on capitol hill with the prelude of today's production. tied behind-closed door session with the senate intelligence committee. cohen will play tour guide with donald trump's business dealings with russia and it will tell how involved or not the president was involved in a russia business deal. on camera the next day, cohen will say he broke the law and the president played a role in those crimes while in the white house. cnn will watch closely and take notes. they also expect the president to stay up past midnight in hanoi to watch cohen testify. he says, quote, unquote, cohen is is a convicted lawyer aiar and

criminal. >> will he tell the truth? >> your republican colleagues will look to poke holes in his testimony, say he's an unreliable witness. do you think he's a trustworthy witness for your testimony? >> raujraju manu, let's get sta. >> they're trying to see why he lied about the trump tower moscow project that the president and him and the trump organization were discussing back in 2015 and 2016. cohen pleaded guilty to lying about the extent of the conversations. he downplayed that when he testified before, even suggesting that it ended those

talks. and in january 2016, now he admits it occurred until june 2016 right when the russian interference campaign was beginning. republicans and democrats want to know why he lied, what documents he has to show the president's involvement and how much the president knew about what he was going to say before coming to this committee back in 2017. now, this hearing has been going on for about two and a half hours now. some members have been trickling in and out. we expect the questioning to go on for much of today to focus on the russia investigation. tomorrow, john, when he comes before the house oversight committee in a public setting, russia won't be the main focus. instead it will be all the other aspects that michael cohen was involved in, particularly those hush money payments that occurred to silence those alleged trump affairs, including with stormy daniels, the role the president played, the president being implicated in those crimes. other issues such as those expected to be a dominant focus

tomorrow. the question is will people view his testimony credibly? republicans already dismissing at the white house. cohen saying he just wanted to protect the president which is why he lied before. >> an interesting three days ahead. manu, i appreciate you become in the courthouse live. the question is to what end here? michael cohen is prepared to testify that yes, he, michael cohen, committed crimes but that the president was his partner in some of these crimes while he was residing at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. that would open up new potential windows. number one, would it feed democratic calls for impeachment? you can say it was a campaign thing, it was a long time ago, it was the business world. what is the significance of the next few days? >> i think it depends who you are, number one. number two, there is a lot we

don't know what michael cohen will bring to this testimony in terms of documentation to back up what he is going to say about potential criminal wrongdoing, which is what our reporting shows that he's planning on doing. if you're michael cohen, this is a chance to, i think, say, yes, i did these things but i did these things at the behest of my boss. we have seen michael cohen say repeatedly he does not want to go down as the villain in the trump story. if you're house democrats, you're looking for more evidence of things you can use if you're leaning toward impeachment or trying to bring an impeachment case for things that augment that. if you are the president's supporters or if you are in the white house, you are looking at a way to undercut michael cohen and you're going to think this testimony might provide an opportunity. i think the one aspect of all of this in terms of the president's allies and what the president says, and i was looking at what burr said before that he has a history of questionable doings, referring to michael cohen, so does the president.

there is a habit for people in the white house and the president himself of acting as if the office sort of shields him from all of that, but the historic power of the white house and the respect he usually gets shields him from that. the truth should come into play here. >> but he has a history of not telling the truth. mueller has said very nice things about michael cohen, the southern district of new york not so nice. their investigation is more complicated of michael cohen. here's one of the things mueller said in the memo. cohen provided relevant and useful information concerning his contacts and connections with the white house during the 2017-2018 time period. fourth, cohen described the circumstances of preparing and circulating his response to the congressional inquiries, while continuing to accept responsibility for the false statements contained within it. the hush money were campaign violations and the candidate

knew it. not just make this go away but for breaking the law and making it go away. number two, the question raised there is somebody in the white house, whether the president or someone else, did they knew cohen was going to lie to congress? >> it's interesting, because in the southern district of new york, criminal complaint and charges they brought against cohen, they adopt his view of those facts. it appears as though they have some information that supports what michael cohen is saying, and that is the basis for which cohen pled guilty, and they included it in their own court filings under their own name. they didn't just rely on cohen saying that. by contrast, the special counsel case, they make that statement about michael cohen and in michael cohen's own filing, he says he remained in close contact with legal counsel to client one. there is no charge or even a suggestion by michael cohen or by the special counsel's office that trump was one of those people. or who these people in the white house were or what they knew.

so that's really the open question. i don't know how much we'll get to that in a public hearing because this relates a bit more to the russia investigation, but it's possible that michael cohen is asked that question, i guarantee that. the question is does he answer it and what does he say about who in the white house knew and what the lawyers knew. we do know they were all communicating at that time, the lawyers, because michael cohen was then on donald trump's side. he was still the loyal fixer and they were preparing his testimony. there was a lot of information the trump organization had and they needed to fact check against. so to what end cohen can say someone was culpable in this, that he was being coached to lie. i think cohen has said to stick with the message, but how does he back that up and what does stick with the message mean? is that sort of like a pattern of an implicit direction by trump to tell him how to handle certain things, or was that michael cohen's interpretation of something and that's why we

haven't seen the special counsel weigh in in any way yet. >> and the democrats say they have a right to democratic oversight. there is also the timing. they have the right to oversight, but also in the early days of the 2020 campaign. you can't make that go away. listen to joakim jeffries here. he just came out of a meeting a while ago. listen to the value he thinks michael cohen will bring to congress. >> the american people deserve to know whether donald trump has been functioning as the president of the united states of america or as the equivalent of an organized crime boss. michael cohen can shed some light on that very important question. >> a trump ally will say that gives you the politics right there. a democrat will say, we want to lay this out. we want to see if he has the documents to back this up. i guess my question is how much of this is going to be show and how much will be tell? >> the public hearing will be all show. i think everything we know about

these kinds of moments, they become spectacles. i think one of the challenges for the democrats is not to overreach and to try to set the expectations or the bar so high that it falls short of that, that they have to have precise questioning and not simply antagonistic questioning or questioning that is so antagonistic toward the president that it doesn't produce real information or real evidence. you know, as everybody says, he has to go beyond his public statements. he will have to bring additional information to that hearing, and i think that will be the real test of his performance, but the question for the democrats is how much they overinterpret what he puts on the table and what it all adds up to once we see the mueller report and other investigations. >> this is not a court of law we're about to step into tomorrow, but at the same time there is a need here for democrats to be very disciplined in how they deal with michael cohen. a lot of the reporters in this

room have dealt with michael cohen. he is often a kind of slippery figure. he's often not the most organized in terms of how he presents information. this is not a james comey type of testimony or you have someone who is familiar with how to answer questions in order to accurately lay out everything that he has to say. so i think if democrats want to get concrete information that people are interpreting as trustworthy out of someone who, you know, the president's allies are right, is a convicted liar, they have to do it in a very disciplined way and they can't be creating a scene that might make michael cohen just seem like an opportunist in this particular environment. the president is not an objective narrator of the situation, but neither is michael cohen and democrats should be very cognizant of that, that he is a pragmatic figure to the public, not just to the president's office. >> and these clouds, investigative clouds, have traveled with the president every time he goes overseas. but think in this case,

understanding who michael cohen was, understanding how close they were when they say he was a two-bit lawyer who did minor legal stuff, they were close for a decade. he was a fixer, his lawyer, he was on the campaign. i imagine it will be after midnight in hanoi and donald trump will be following this testimony, no? >> it seems a likely guess. he sometimes has the history, the president, of a delayed response to these kinds of things, so he may watch it and we'll get a tweet storm several hours later. i do want to make one point, though. and this is abby playing the hand to democrats. on twitter they described that cohen was the most involved. that's not true. he worked for donald trump for ten years. there were others who were more involved. there is one that donald truhe

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president trump now 8300 miles away from all the drama on capitol hill. he landed in vietnam a few hours ago to set the big moment on the world stage. he made a promise at the first summit to work toward denuclearization. president trump declared the crisis over, but kim jong-un has done nothing to scale back his program. kaitlan collins live to hear about the big summit.

>> reporter: they're really going to kick off tomorrow. they're going to have something a little different than they had in singapore. that will be a dinner between the president, mick mulvaney, kim jong-un and a few officials in that small dinner before kicking off the summit the next day. after that meeting that they have, the president and kim jong-un will discuss will there be a signing ceremony and it will be anything meaningful? the president says there is success in that north korea stopped missile testing after that meeting in singapore, but officials say north korea is still a nuclear threat and they're unlikely, if ever, to denuclearize. so whether they can come to an agreement of what denuclearization looks like over the next few days is still a big question looming here, john, because white house officials have admitted to reporters they still haven't come to an agreement on that despite a slew

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the vote testing republicans' willingness to defend the president, especially since many of them have probably disagreed his choice of invoking this authority. the democrats are warning republicans they will regret following the president. >> i would ask you to follow your instincts and to put congress and the country above, really, their fear of losing a primary because they're out of favor with donald trump. it's important for the senators to realize they are opening a pandora's box for decades to come if they allow the president to get his way on this. he will come back for more, and future presidents, both republican and democrat, will come back for more. >> warrlaura lopez joins our conversation. so they have the votes in the house, most in the senate. nowhere near a veto-proof majority, right?

>> it will definitely pass the house. a number of gop defections are going to happen there. need one more in the senate. but scalise, the majority house whip, said this morning they will have enough numbers to sustain a veto, so that looks like that's where it will end up. >> that's where it will end up, so what's the importance of the statement? >> the statement is just one other example of the democrats saying we have power that we did not have before and we are going to continue to try to use it to show our opposition to the kinds of things you're doing. it is another way they can elevate issues that they didn't have the opportunity to do when they didn't have the house. >> i think it also is damaging to the president that he's going to have both chambers of congress repudiating him in this way and he'll have republicans siding with democrats on an issue that is to the core of what he's trying to do over this next year and a half.

you know, this is all going to end up being in litigation, and all that fof that is going to c against him. in many ways this is a question of whether the president has the right to usurp the power of the congress when congress has made it very clear where they stand on this particular issue. this is just going to be one more piece of evidence showing that not only has congress made it clear in the appropriations process, but after the president took this action, they told him that they believe that this was the wrong course of action, and they did it in a somewhat bipartisan way, somewhat bipartisan considering it's only going to be a few republicans. >> and you make the connection of what are the defections? this is a test of the shelf life of principle that isn't very long. it was overreach. to your concern about the house leadership, listen to scalise

say, we're with the president. >> there is a national emergency at the southern border the president will declare today that doesn't exist. >> to deny there is even a problem on the border is beyond me. >> we will stand by the president to make sure we can secure this border and confront this national crisis. >> the word president is key there in the sentence. yes, there are still tensions within the republican party about the trump takeover. but when it comes to votes, a vast majority will be with the president, because even though they don't like this, most of them don't like this, they look at the polling approval and it's 80%. >> at the end of the day, the majority of these voters support the president. not all, however, so you have some who will be defecting, but if it doesn't sync up with what the president wants to do, this will be what propels this

president going through 2020 and why you'll see him double down on his base over and over. >> to your point, maggie, the republicans who decide to vote with the democrats on this, would they do that if this were really at stake? >> that's a very good point. >> everything we've seen is when things are potentially costly for the president, the republicans are with him basically close to 100%. i think some of them have kind of a free vote on this, but it's another revealing moment of where the republican party is. >> if i could just say, there is a number of house republicans, republicans like will heard in texas, this is a tough vote. they'll likely side with democrats because they barely won reelection this last cycle. so there are a number of republicans who will be top targets for democrats hoping to further expand the majority. and it's votes like these where they could get hit by their constituents. >> we'll watch the senate vote, then we'll pass the house. look at a map.

are they from weak districts? what are they trying to say. we know susan collins, lisa murkowski and tillis say they're going to side with the democrats. tillis wrote this in the "washington post." as a u.s. senator, i cannot justify passing this by congress. as a conservative, i cannot endorse a precedent that i know future left wing presidents will exploit to advance radical policies that will erode economic and individual freedoms. >> and it's notable that some republicans who had questions about this when the president announced it haven't really said wh how they're going to vote this time around because many, to dan's point, are going to side with the president because of the hold he has on this party. and yet i think the argument is a real one. putting politics aside, there is a real argument here to be made about what this says about what congress' power is going to be

in the future, not just for a future democratic president whenever that happens, but for president trump going down the road. he's made it clear this is not the last time he'll be seeking money for this wall. what more is coming down the pike if this is how things have gone for $5.6 billion in wall funding? >> that's a good point. this is a president who we know will repeatedly test the limits of his power. it's all about pushing to see how much resistance there is, and generally speaking, if he touches a hot stove, he often doesn't do it again, but if he feels like he can keep pressing the boundaries, he's going to keep doing it. we'll see how this impacts. > >> good point. up next, pharmaceuticals being asked by democrats, why are drug prices to staggering? liberty mutual accident forgiveness

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topping our political radar, the house oversight committee voting today to subpoena top officials over migrant family separations at the mexican border. it's up to congress to protect children at the border. two joined democrats on that vote. the federal reserve chairman dodging questions about his communications with the white house. jerome powell testified today before the senate banking committee, the chairman struggling to commit to an answer during questioning by democratic senator brian schaaf. >> has anybody directly or indirectly communicated with you about race from the white house? >> that's kind of a broad question. >> it is a broad question.

>> i don't really talk about -- it's probably not appropriate to discuss our -- my private conversations with other government officials, any other government officials. >> it would be a non-answer. america's third largest city electing a new mayor today. there are 14 candidates competing to succeed mayor rahm emanuel in chicago. if no one gets at least 50% of the vote, it will be a runoff between the top two votes in april. kamala harris says the president is racist. she said she felt concern after the president's comments in 2017 in charlottesville. >> president trump a racist? >> look, when you talk about his statement on that. when you talk about him calling

african countries s-hole countries. when you talk about him referring to immigrants as rapists and murderers, i don't think you can reach any other conclusion. >> so you definitely think he's a racist? >> i do, yes. a half dozen drug company executives sharing the hot seat on capitol hill right now. the ceos of six pharmaceutical giants testify before the committee whose members want to know why their products are so unaffordable for many americans. christine roman looks at the reasons. >> reporter: john, americans spend more on prescription drugs than anyone else in the world. over $1200 a person on average, way more than canada or germany, and nearly two and a half times what british citizens spend. it's so expensive it's become a political issue. so why are drug prices so high? in the united states drug companies can pretty much charge whatever they want. when a new drug is patented,

it's protected from competition for 20 years. there are all kinds of exclusive marketing rights the fda grants as well. they are really good at making little tweaks to their products so they can keep extending the windows. that's why it takes so long for cheaper generic versions to get on the market. remember, though, it's expensive to develop new drugs, and the industry will tell you it takes about ten years on average with a price tag on average of $2.6 billion per medicine. take funding away and they wouldn't be able to put money toward research and development. it argues the pharmacy benefit managers who negotiate prices for health plans, they don't pass discounts on to consumers. then the insurance industry just points right back at big pharma for pricing drugs so high in the first place. you get the idea. they blame each other. in the meantime, spending on prescriptions keeps rising. it's forecast to grow 6% a year

through 2026. that's faster than anything else in health care. john? >> i don't pretend to be smart enough to figure this one out, but i can tell you from just a weekend in iowa, when voters stand up in these town halls and ask questions, the price of drugs is asked a lot. >> the pocketbook matters to people and past cycles for health care has been a big issue. we've moved sort of past obamacare in some ways, but the question on the democratic and republican side this cycle is, what are you going to do to make this system better, to make sure the issues like the price of prescription drugs don't continue to eat up people's paychecks, and even while the economy is strong, this still remains one of those issues that's front of mind for people because it's what is costing a lot of money a month and make them question whether or not they'll be able to continue taking care of themselves and their loved ones.

>> abby is right. any 2020 democrat who doesn't run on drug prices is missing the move of the electorate. in 2016, that's what democrats were hammering republicans on. they were keeping conversation on that and away from immigration which the president also tried to ramp up in the lead up to november. >> oddly enough, the discussion or attention to medicare for all obscures this issue, and i think those who are very attracted to the idea of medicare for all recognize that that's something that's well out into the future. it's going to take a long time to get there. prescription drug prices are everyday problems. >> the voters are ahead of the candidates on that point you just made about far out in the future. coming up, bernie sanders makes his 2020 pitch, but that 2016 bad blood between the party, well, still seems to be looming large.

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i want to thank you especially for your willingness to stay for a time to help me with this transition. i have to say it's been thoroughly -- >> if i am elected president, we will have a nation in which all people have health care as a right, whether trump likes it or not. we are going to make public colleges and universities tuition-free. we are going to raise the minimum wage to a living wage of at least $15 an hour. and whether trump likes it or not, when i talk about human rights, do you know what that also means? that means our kids and grandchildren have the human right to grow up in a planet that is healthy and habitable. >> after a little hiccup at the top, that was bernie sanders at the cnn town hall last night pushing a 2020 agenda that is quite familiar to those who

followed the vermont senator back in the 2016 campaign. the dimfference is the second time around is crowded, very crowded. many of his rivals this time around call embracing hillary clinton too expensive. there is still a lot of bad blood between the clinton and sanders camps. >> i will not talk to anybody about the dnc being heavy-handed. i think we've come a long way since then, and i fully expect to be treated quite as well as anybody else. we went to state after state. i think we had 35, 40 rallies in all of the battleground states. so i do not accept for one moment that i did not do everything that i could. and the people say, well, some of your supporters voted for trump. true, but some of hillary's

supporters in 2008 voted for mccain. that's a reality. more of those did that than voted for me. >> we always say we fight the last campaign. they're still fighting the last campaign. what is it? the bad blood there is real between -- the candidates probably have moved on, but the staff, you have these fights with the staff. clinton people this week putting out word that bernie sanders demanded a private jet. that's what he's responding to at the end there saying, i did everything i could for them. why can't they just let it go? >> well, infra-party battles, if you back to carter and kennedy in '88, that hangover lasted for many, many years, as we know. these things get very intense. >> we know. >> they get -- and particularly at the staff level. those resentments last for a long time. i think the challenge for sanders in this case is he's in a different position today than he was in 2016. he was the scrappy underdog. he is now near the top of the polls. he has the experience of it, he

has a network, he has an infrastructure. he has to think of himself in a different way and in a sense carry himself in a different way. if he allows himself to get kind of pulled down into that old 2016, you know, back and forth with the clintonites, it's not going to help him at all in his real goal. >> there is a particular feeling among clinton aides, and dan is absolutely right, there is nothing new here under the sun in terms of staff fighting about nothing in particular. the difference is there is the intensity of it, the degree around the wikileaks e-mail dumps, around the comey press conference, the e-mail investigation. there are a lot of scars that those folks still point to, and that they, i think, don't want to let people forget in part because i think they legitima legitimately are concerned about how 2020 will go, both in terms of outside influence and media coverage. i think all of that adds to

this. i think dan's point is the key one which is bernie sanders is in a very different position. he unquestionably has influenced this field. you have so many people running on ideas that he espoused first on a national level. but he is going to have to change how he relates to democrats in his field, and i don't know that he's there yet. >> the he's not a democrat part, that's fair, he is an independent. he traveled on the road saying he had an important role in a one-on-one race last time, and now -- you get that. >> i think it will be interesting to see how warren differentiates herself from sanders, right? sanders, as you said, started espousing these policies that clinton wasn't last time around, but warren has also always supported these policies. and so we're seeing just yesterday one of our reporters at politico talked about this new purity test that warren is

taking a lead on, rejecting big donors, rejecting big fundraisers and trying to really stake that claim for herself, and i think that could end up causing a bit of a rift between the 2020 democrats. >> there is also a risk here in clinton's allies and staff carrying out 2016 grievances in the 2020 campaign in a way that does the work of the trump campaign for them. i mean, in other words, that the chaos that is created about these somewhat silly stories about this private jet used to fly in the last weeks of the campaign, the campaign for hillary, these are the kind of stories that the trump campaign says, we're not even going to bother with this anymore, because you guys just did it for me. you have to ask, what purpose does it serve other than inserting hillary clinton back into this campaign in a way she's probably not really wanted in this democratic party which as we pointed out has moved well

beyond her in 2016 and has, i think, rejected her view of the party and say we're going to go this direction instead. >> i want to go back to your point about differentiation between the two. i talked to warren on friday before a big democratic dinner in new hampshire. they are long-time friends. they've known each other, as sanders said last night, 25 years. she pulls back from the idea of being a democratic socialist. that is a label she does not want put on her. she is a regulator. her view is, markets are good, and when they are well re regulated, it creates good things. but they have to be well regulated, and if they're not, it's theft. she wants to talk about a lot of things in terms of the structural changes. perhaps people say it's nuance because she believes in him on a number of big ticket items, but she has a different focus than he does. >> sanders is not going to get on the road this week.

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this is truecar. the new attorney general william barr is now in charge of the russian probe. they say they want to see special counsel's robert mueller's findings, no matter what those findings are. deputy general rod rosenstein says the justice department, caution and being careful is much more important. >> when our government makes an allegation of wrongdoing, we need to prove it. government officials may sincerely believe a defendant is guilty, but their belief is irrelevant. investigators and prosecutors in america do not get to decree which facts are true. >> and that is this source of the big fight to come in the sense that mueller has investigated for two years rgs

he d , he's got a lot of decisions, he can decide what he puts in his report. if you can't prove it, you file it away and bite your tongue. the democrats say, we want all your documents. let us look again. let us decide -- maybe you didn't take somebody to court, maybe we want to have congressional hearings. maybe we want to refer it to some regulatory body. >> this is ultimately where at the end of the day part of the southern district of new york in manhattan probe demonstrates a greater threat to president trump, is they are going to go ahead with legal cases. the mueller inquiry is poised to become, unless he does some kind of superseding indictment we're not aware of, it will become a political document and it will be twisted and turned into what the democrats don't want it to be. for house democrats there is a danger of overreach here. there is a whole contingency of

people in the country who is thinking the president is about to be frog-marched out of the oval office, and that's really unlikely to happen. so i think tempering the expectations of what could happen or might happen or what is provable. that's what the system is built on is what rod rosenstein is trying to say. >> i think the other aspect of this is to the degree they want to get as much as they possibly can, this just extends the time period before we actually get to real hearings, real testimony, real conclusions out of the congress. i mean, mueller may finish up, but we're in for another long session before we get to the real meat of it. >> the debate around whether or not to make the report public, democrats will be fighting with republicans over that. the mueller report isn't the end by any means as maggie and dan mentioned. also tomorrow with the cohen testimony, the thing i'm going to be keeping an eye on also is how these firebrand freshman

members ask him questions. i think that will be interesting. thanks for joining us on "inside politics." have a great afternoon. brianna keilar starts right now. i'm brianna keilar live from cnn's national headquarters underway right now. he once said he would take a bullet for the president. today michael cohen is taking a seat in front of congress to reveal all. we're worrying about the one-nighter the president will pull with kim jong-un. plus, as the vote comes for the senate in the emergency declaratio