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he said he never asked for a pardon. his lawyers totally contradicted him. in addition he directly asked me for a pardon. i said no. he lied again. he also badly wanted to work in the white house. he lied. heads of the committees have gone stone cold crazy. they won't get anything done for our country. now just to be clear, some of those people the president called innocent include convicted or admitted felons. we want to look more now on the investigations already on tap and perhaps down the road. joining me is congresswoman katie hill of the oversight
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committee and appreciate you being with us. michael cohen is calling the president a liar. is it clear to you exactly who is telling the truth here? because the reality is both men have a very complicated relationship with the truth. >> the reality is that we have one man who lied to protect the president. we have a president who is calling him a liar over and over again because that's the only thing he has to destroy the credibility that exists, you know, what limited credibility exists but the reality is that we don't have any but we have the 15 checks that he brought that showed that trump himself made payments that could amount to fraud or campaign violations. and that's the physical evidence that we're looking for.
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does it really matter that he said that, you know, maybe he didn't, i don't know, before he started -- before he started cooperating with the special counsel and stopped trying to cover up for trump that he had tried to possibly let his lawyers investigate a potential pardon, i don't know. i just don't think this matters. we have to be looking at the bigger picture and that's what we have to stay focused on. >> i mean, president obama's former senior adviser tweeted earlier this week about the document request from your committee saying, quote, the wide ranging nature of it too easily plays into the witch hunt meme. do you think he has a point at all? would a more targeted request have been a better strategy here or are you good with the 81 contacts? >> no, look, we should be clear about this. during the obama administration, just as a contrast, republicans during the obama administration made requests for literally millions of documents. that's not an exaggeration. so this is the beginning of the
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judiciary committee investigation. give us what you have already given them. their lawyers have looked at them. they're probably on a thumb drive. just let us start with that so that we get caught up to speed. we had an over 500 page document detailing our efforts to persuade the republicans to do some oversight. they refuse to do it so we're doing this work and we have to begin by gathering these documents so we can make determinations as to how we proceed from here. the president keep saying all we're going to do is investigate. while we're doing these investigations, we passed the most comprehensive ethics reform bill today. we passed two common sense gun
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safety pieces of legislation. we have begun hearings to drive down the cost of prescription drugs so we can do both things. move forward on the agenda for the american people and hold this administration accountable. >> you said earlier today that there's whistleblowers as in more than one in touch with your committee. what kind of things that thare providing the committee? >> this is around the security clearances and the information requested by the committee and by the chairman to really clear up what that process looks like and why the president overruled to not issue security clearances to members of his own family. this got reported by whistleblowers. we have other things that were reported around the rangement with saudi arabia. the nuclear capabilities that will be transferred to saudi arabia. there's so many instances where we're getting information from
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whistleblowers and this is something that we have to investigate fully. >> sorry. are these whistleblowers alleging wrong doing? >> yeah, that's why they're whistleblowers. >> well, we just made our document request, as you know, this past week. the good news is the trump administration is learning that there are people within this administration that are very concerned about the misconduct and some of the decisions that have been made and the potential conflicts of interest or criminality. they're sharing information. this is about the security of our country. the president not only overruled the intelligence and law enforcement communities he lied about it. he said he had nothing to do with it. we now know that's not true.
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jared kushner, his family was financed in their company by the same company trying to sell nuclear materials to the saudis. ivanka trump got trademarks with the chinese so there's a lot of reasons to be concerned. they go to the heart of keep america safe and protect the national security of our country. we'll continue to see people that want to be sure that the american people know the truth and all of them will have to rely on that to the extent the white house continues to resist our efforts to get these documents and get this information. >> my colleague is absolutely right. this does come down to the safety of the american people. you don't have whistleblowers doing this to cause drama. it's because they fear for what our president is doing that jeopardizes american lives and our alliances and our position and our standing in the world. and that's what we don't know. we had a congress doing
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everything it can to protect this president and make sure that the information out there is not being made available to the public and what we're doing right now is trying to make sure that we're able to show that and to really get to the bottom of this and to expose the truth. we're not out to get anyone. we just want to make sure that the information is known and take that path where ever it leads us. >> congresswoman hill, appreciate it. thank you so much. i want to dig deeper into this question of michael cohen, and pardons and back in the southern district of new york. that happens from time to time. when you decide to arrest someone that's part of an organization or a group or organized crime family where both have committed crimes and
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crimes of deception including lying, you have your work cut out for you. you have to make sure that when you decide to sign someone up and rely on their testimony and more importantly ask someone else, namely a jury or finder or fact to rely on their testimony, you have to corroborate it and you want to make sure when that person goes and testifies in other context, like congress for example that he's not subject to a criticism that even after having pled guilty to lying that he's not still lying. is he had some troubles and that's not great for him. >> his attorney confirmed, in fact, that cohen had explored a pardon with the president's attorneys in the past but that the quote, new michael cohen wouldn't accept a pardon if the president offered it. the new michael cohen, i mean, it's a defense i never really heard before. have you?
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you'll have cooperating witnesses that will have hiccups along the way. sometimes, unlike in congress, they may testify for three or four days at a time if it's a complicated scheme or something along those lines. at the end of the day, the prosecutor asked the jury to consider the entirety of the testimony and the materiality and says with respect to these couple of things, in the hypothetical, he seemed to stumble a little bit but look at what the other testimony was. look at how he testified and spoke confidently and honestly about the payment to stormy daniels and the other woman and had the checks to show it and those checks clearly show donald trump's signature. so focus on that, ladies and gentlemen. don't focus on this semantic back and forth about whether or not he talked about a pardon, the timing of talking about a pardon, who asked for the pardon
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first. that's not important. that sometimes work and it sometimes doesn't. >> isn't the counter argument to that, well, if you're willing to lie in front of congress about things that aren't important about asking for a pardon or whether or not you wanted a job in the white house then what does that mean about the things that are really important? >> at the end of a trial, a judge says to the jury something like, you're allowed to consider the overall credibility of the witness based on particular untruths they may have told. and that's the job to make the argument. overall, the people that are watching and paying attention have to be persuaded on the points that were important, the truth was told. >> we still don't have a report from robert mueller but regardless, the reality is the
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president is still facing tremendous legal exposure from all of the other investigations. is it the one being run by the fdny that should concern him the most? >> i think so. there's lots of things swirling around but the one issue on which there has been clarity from someone that has decided to cooperate that has pled guilty, we're talking about michael cohen and his view has been enforced by my former office at the southern district of new york and the plea was approved by a sitting federal court judge is the assertion that donald trump committed a crime in directing him to make certain payments on the eve of the election. that's a flat statement by michael cohen. he said it multiple times. and now you have other evidence including the checks that were provided. including common sense. why would it be the case that
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payments would be made by the lawyer if it wasn't for the benefit of the client and the client knew about it. so i think if you didn't have that document that says a sitting president can't be prosecuted, if you're an ordinary person i'm coming closer and closer to the view that the president of the united states if he were an ordinary person implicated in this way with common sense evidence and witness testimony, he would probably be chargeable today. >> if he was a regular citizen he would be chargeable today? >> i'm getting close to believing that to be true. i don't know all the evidence. i don't know all the problems. i don't know all the comp trabl case law. it's one thing to accept a guilty plea when you're charging
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him with something else. there's some gap there but the more i hear and the more we learn and the more we hear about the lies that we were told about the payments, the closer i get to determining if the president were an ordinary citizen, he would be worried about getting arrested, yeah. >> appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, the storm over the congresswoman's use of antisemitic tropes and the anti-hate resolution passed in the house. also jussie smollett's legal problems just got a whole lot worse. we'll tell you why. ♪ pardon the interruption but this is big!
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allegiance to a foreign country. meaning israel. prior to that, responding to a tweet about defending israel he says that the cost of free people in this country, congresswoman omar replied with a tweet of her own, quote, it's all about the benjamins baby. he since apologized and also tried to change the subject saying at the same time i reaffirm the role of lob ybistsn our politics. it's gone on too long and we must be willing to address it. so that's the backdrop to the house measure that the president criticized earlier today. >> i thought that vote was a disgrace and so does everybody else if you get an honest answer. if you get an honest answer from politicians, they thought it was a disgrace. the democrats have become an anti-israel party and anti-jewish party. that's too bad. >> he has just written an op ed
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piece and also why i left the right. so max i enjoyed reading your piece. you say that democrats in congress missed an opportunity to show that they're more honorable and righteous than their republican colleagues. can you explain what you mean? >> what she said is really to my mind textbook anti-semitism because she was saying that people that support israel are pledging loyalty to a foreign country. this is not something that anybody says about advocates for the u.s.-british alliance or the u.s. alliance with poland or any other country around the world. this is only something that people say about supporters of israel basically reviving this old anti-semitic thing about dual loyalty. democrats know what she is saying but what you're seeing now is that while democrats are comfortable calling out president trump and the republicans for their risk schism and rightly so.
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i call them out for their racism too. it's disgraceful and despicable what president trump and the republicans are saying, unfortunately, democrats are being just as tribalistic as republicans and they're hesitating to call out one of their own. and giving president trump a chance to turn the tables and be the voice calling out antisemitism which is obviously i don't know if ironic isn't the right word but stands in stark contrast in what he said about there being good people on both sides talking about neo nazis. >> exactly. the democrats are giving donald trump an opportunity to posture as an enemy of bigotry. the marchers saying jews will not replace us, those are the people that donald trump is praising as fine people.
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donald trump built his whole career around racism. remember, he came to political prominens pushing the birther conspiracy against president obama. he has no credibility and yet because of this self-inflicted wound, democrats are giving him the opportunity to do just that. >> he wouldn't answer the question and he changed the subject. it is -- congress people on all sides don't necessarily attack people in their own party but does it surprise you that the democrats have taken this route? that what could have been just a condemnation of anti-semitism
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was morphed into this genetic condemnation of anything bad. >> it's a bad sign for the future of the democratic party. the house leadership did call her out last month but she keeps on saying this and this time around democrats are reluctant. and presidential candidates like bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. and they're saying there's an institutionalized anti-semitism that's faktaken root. we're a long way away from that. but you have to be as vigilant and it's uncomfortable to do so. i get that because this is one of your own but democrats need to show that they're better than
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>> police say it was all a work of fiction by the actor that is out on bail after a charge against him last month. i spoke with the defense attorney maintaining his innocence. >> isn't it weird that you get attacked by two people that you know that have been on empire that you actually worked out with and you don't recognize them? >> yes. but i don't know whether he made that statement or -- but what i do know is when he was told they have evidence against these two, he refused to sign the complaint because he couldn't believe it. he didn't believe it. if you're asking me what their motivation is, i suppose i could speculate but motivation of
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smolle jussie is not an element of the crime. i haven't seen one piece of evidence and they don't have one piece of evidence that links jussie to this. what they do have is a whale of a case. if you belief what the police chief is saying, they have a great case against the two brothers. >> let's start with the legal aspects. essentially this is just overkill by the prosecutors. they don't have the evidence and there's allegations that he wanted more money from empire and more attention that there's no evidence that anyone from the police department has spoken to anybody at the production so they have no way of even knowing. >> i know mark. he's a colleague, obviously of
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mine. i know him to be an outstanding lawyer and certainly a good person. having said that i see things completely different as it relates to this case. now backing up a bit and reminding the viewers that this is an indictment. that means there's reasonable cause to believe a crime were committed or crimes in this case were committed and that jussie smollett committed them. there's no judge in the grand jury. they don't get to vet the information. they died probable cause and then they'll indict. i completely disagree with my colleague for a variety of reasons. number one as it relates to your cross examination of him, doesn't the story have to make sense? it has to make sense. so when you talk about someone out at 2:00 in the morning in the cold in chicago going to a subway, not giving the police his phone records and then oh, by the way, redacting them and
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giving them to them and then telling him a story about he saw the whites of the eyes and that's how he knew they happened to be white and they turn out to be black. none of it makes sense and that's just the tip of the iceberg and then the actual issues are forgetting about the story, just the lies of which he told and the motivations. at the end of the day, the grand jury having indicted and a jury and panel then will hear the case, you don't have to decide what motivations are. the superintendent was out there talking about how he didn't get enough pay. he did not get enough pay. that's not the issue. the issue was did he lie or did he not? based upon that it's a very difficult case for the defense. >> does any of this make sense to you yet? we talked about this very early on. >> what part of it? >> i don't know, i don't understand it.
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he's saying there's evidence against the brother brothers but none against jussie smollett. i'm wondering how you see this. >> i was waiting for some defense because the evidence laid out by the police department seemed very compelling. they just told us about it. i didn't get to read transcripts of interviews or anything. so you just have to take their word for it and that's tricky with the chicago police department. let's just be honest about that. but it was compelling against him. so he kept maintaining that he was innocent. so i'm waiting to see what could you possibly say? it seems that he is saying i'm going to put my client up against the two brothers and the jury is going to have to see which of these two groups of people they believe and that you have actual evidence that they did something, you're going to have to give me proof positive
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that my client instructed them to do it and where is the proof of that. maybe that's the defense. i agree with joey. there's a lot of other things around that he said, he said, he said that are shaky. and i think we wouldn't even be talking about this were it not for the invocation of whiteness and of trump support. other than that, if it was just another black guy claiming -- either being assaulted or claiming to be assaulted because he was gay, we wouldn't and that's a tragedy in america in and of itself and i say to people who are white and feel like this is a group attack or people who are trump supporters and they feel like this is a group attack, actually understand that feeling, that tribal response to something and feeling like something that is targeted -- some people actually applies to the whole. but i want you to remember this feeling the next time that the president attacks a black man when he's kneeling for social
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justice and why everybody who is engaged in social justice takes that as a tribal attack and response. because they responded exactly the way that you feel today. every time he makes an attack on women and individual women and all women take that as a tribal attack. this is the feeling. i understand your feeling. keep that energy and remember that feeling when the shoe is on the other foot. >> just in terms of the legal, the time line, what happens next? >> well, what happens next is you go and on thursday, what will happen is he'll be presented to the judge. the judge will know and understand or ask him whether he knows and understands that he is facing an indictment. what the charges are in the indictment. once he has been read the indictment and i would assume his attorneys would wave a public reading. they'll just ask whether he understands what he is being accused of. he'll enter a plea of not guilty and at that point discovery which i heard mark said he
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hasn't had any or doesn't have adequate discovery which is the exchange of information, police reports, documents, et cetera. he'll get those and make any motions he wants. there's issues concerning leaks in the police department and internal investigations. that's going to mean nothing. it may mean nothing as it relates to charging police that are leaking things but doesn't mean anything for his client and his client will have his day in court where there will be a full blown trial. there's a lot to be said for a mea culpa here. you march yourself into the district attorney's office preindictment and you say, listen, we could resolve this by all accounts jussie smollett is an outstanding person. is a very beloved figure and if the evidence is as it purports to be and i haven't heard it defended yet. i've heard a lot of accusations about the police and people fired from the hospital for leaking information. that means nothing as it relates to whether he's guilty or not and it may be time to settle up and get this thing done and over. >> joey jackson, appreciate it. charles as well. you may have seen this on the
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>> already been doing the bidding of the company he represents. his office denies the claim. drew tried to get answers out of bernhardt in what was billed as a news conference in atlanta. >> can we have a few minutes of your time? we thought we would get a few questions to ask you. we're doing a story. >> go ahead and reach out. >> we did and the fact that more than a dozen of your former clients have been getting favors through the department of interiors since you joined. >> is that just a consequence. >> we'll be happy to visit with you at any time. right now is not the time but talk to my press folks and we'll set something up. >> just to be clear your press folks told us that you are inaccessible for the next several weeks. >> they haven't talked to me so i'll talk to them. >> turns out he's not just not seeing cnn.
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the house committee wants answers as well. on the public questions it raises questions about the attempt to hide or manipulate federal records. what is this about hiding or manipulating calendars? that's part of what lead to the resignation of scott pruett isn't it? >> it is. all of these external meetings or staff meetings of various schedules that offer no explanation of who he is meeting with. there are 100 hours of official government time unaccounted for according to the house committee and the committee is concerned about not just with whom he is meeting with but it appears that some of the meetings or at least names have been deliberately omitted. one involves a lobbying firm that worked for the trump organization but what is most shocking about all of this is
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bernhardt's response, he tells the chairman of the committee of natural resources that he has no legal obligation to personally maintain a calendar. he has not personally maintained a calendar for years and telling congress now, i have no intention of suddenly doing so now. let me show you why this matters. not just to congress but other watchdog groups. interior department visitors logs show the american petroleum institute ceo visited bernhardt but the only entry is this. meeting to discuss energy issues. it doesn't say anything about american petroleum institute or that the american petroleum institute represents energy companies that are two of his former clients. he did say his staffers would work to make various records available to the house committee but the spokesperson wouldn't respond to our questions on whether or when those records are going to be released,
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anderson. >> congress wants to find out who he is meeting with. he's now in a position to grant favors or influence policy that might benefit some of his old clients. that's the bottom line concern. >> that is the bottom line concern. the reason he wouldn't talk to us about this is since he joined the department of interior, the agency made 15 policy changes, decisions or proposals that would directly benefit his former clients. the house committee wants some oversight and he's just saying i don't keep a calendar. >> we'll see if he grants you an interview. keep working on it. >> new york times quotes joe biden as saying he's 95% committed to joining the presidential race. the question is will his
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>> if he does in fact run his decade's long history in politics could help or hurt. the washington post reported that back in the 1970s when he was a freshman senator biden was engulfed in a bitter battle over school busing. he spoke out against sending white kids to majority black schools and black kids to majority white schools. he said this about the idea of reparations. i don't feel responsible for the sins of my father and grandfather. i feel responsible for the sins of my own generation. i don't feel responsible to pay for what happened 100 years ago. he advocated legislation aimed at curving violent crime. >> we have predators on our streets that society has, in fact, in part because of its negligent created.
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it does not mean that we forgive them and we do not take them out of society to protect my family and yours from them. they are beyond the pale many of those people. and it's a sad commentary on society. we have no choice but to take them out of society. >> so with me now is david axelrod that was a key adviser of president obama and obviously knows joe biden very well. >> you know joe biden. you worked with him in the white house obviously. what does it say to you that he's still not 100% sure he wants to run. >> there's something holding him back although his aids have been pretty clear he was way down the road. 95% they say. mayor bloomberg announced he wasn't going to run this week. the senator of ohio. both of whom were considered in that lane of the kind of center
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left that biden holds. so that suggests to me that they believe he's running. but you know, i believe this is a difficult decision for his family in particular. and while the politics are good, there's barriers here. he has the benefit of 45 years of speernsd relationships that are all helpful but there's also the down side. >> it's so interesting what you say about his experience and the length of time. you can look at that as a huge bonus but you also have a huge record that could be picked apart. the clips, the interviews that surfaced over the past several days. those are certainly the kind of things that i don't know if that would convince him not to run. >> but he hasn't run for anything in awhile and this is a
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reminder that right now he is an exalted figure in the democratic party. widely regarded. the minute you become a candidate, you know, you are fair game and all of those things begin to be picked apart. in 45 years there are things there and there's particularly things that in the moment seemed less bothersome to people than in the contemporary age. the way anita hill was treated. some of the things that were just dug up about what he said about quotes used to speak to reparations today. so you can take quotes from the deep past and put them in a contemporary setting and they have a whole different context. >> especially where the democratic party is today and maybe moving toward in the
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future also the fact that biden is 76 years old. that's something that you have to take into consideration. >> there's no question about it. and he has to judge whether he has it in the tank to run the race and to be president for the next four years. he would serve four and then reassess, he would be 82 by the time his term ended and he more than anybody i know is aware of what the presidency requires and the energy that it takes. if you're doing it in a conventional way. if you're spending 6 hours a day watching television it may be less taxing. but if you do it the way most presidents do, its draining. that's why all of the guys hair
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turned grey. i watched my own boss, when i worked for president obama i watched his hair grey with the pressures of the job. biden knows that. he was there every step of the way. so that has to give him some pause. but ultimately if he runs, the campaign will be a test, and people will see whether he's vigorous enough for the job. he has to consider whether or not he wants to submit himself to that. >> appreciate it. thanks very much, david. >> all right, anderson. i wonder if that's why my hair turned gray. i don't think so. the senate is expected to vote next week on the president's emergency wall declaration. our gary tuchman spent the day with governor gavin newsom. that's next. the way they subscribe to movies. we don't follow the naysayers. ♪ ♪
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there's going to be a vote next week on the president's
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national emergency in the senate, and he may not be happy with the outcome. he could face an embarrassing political rebuke if enough members of his party vote against it. building a wall simply is not the real emergency on the southern border according to a number of his critics. one state is taking action to address an emergent crisis on its own. we have details now from our gary tuchman. >> the federal government cannot get its act together on comprehensive immigration reform. >> reporter: california governor gavin newsom has only been in office a couple of months, and he's angry. he's not wasting any time taking on what he sees as the border's most pressing issue. >> i got four kids, so this is -- these things hit you in a deeper way. >> reporter: so he's taken the controversial step of using california taxpayers' money, $25 million for services to asylum seekers, services that include this brand-new san diego shelter for migrants who are
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beginning asylum proceedings. >> the federal government should be doing this. it's the federal government's responsibility, immigration. these are people who came legally. i just want to pause and reflect on that. these are people that came through the process legally, seeking asylum legally. >> hello. what's your name? vita? that's a pretty name. nice to meet you. >> reporter: the state funding of this shelter follows some serious gubernatorial fuming. this from newsome's twitter feed. >> you said, instead of fighting the actual threats facing americans, the president has chosen to undermine our constitution and fan the flames of nativism and xenophobia. this is not a national emergency. it's a national disgrace. >> it is. >> do you think he's xenophobic? >> i think a lot of actions over the last two years by definition are textbook nativist, textbook
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xenophobic, textbook racist. >> are you at war with the trump administration? >> not just the trump administration. there's something going on. there's a lot of toxicity in our body politic right now and it's being flamed for purely partisan political purpose. >> you've made the decision to pull the national guard from the border, to end their border duty. there are some who say you shouldn't be doing that. the president thinks it's necessary. there's a national emergency and that you're not being patriotic. >> i can't even keep a straight face. this whole thing is comedic. >> you think it's funny. >> i think it's tragic. there's nothing funny about it. the comedy is the tragedy that is the comedy. it's political theater. every single person knows it. everybody knows it. >> they would deny that. >> they would deny it but they all laugh in private. they all know better. this is pure political -- >> you think the president's laughing? >> this is all shtick.
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>> are you concerned that if you anger president trump when there's a disaster here like a mudslide or wildfires, that he will be thrifty on the emergency funding? >> so the alternative is what? just to roll over, be complicit? >> governor newsom says the united states needs border security, and he would not tear down california's current border barriers. but he believes the president's future priorities and the emergency declaration are naive and wasteful and says he won't be shy about using the bully pulpit offered as the governor of the most populous state in america. >> i don't want to spar with the president of the united states. i want to work with the president of the united states. but i will take a back seat to no one to have the backs of the people of this remarkable place i call home, the state of california. and to the extent we will tfd ourselves, we will do it vig
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lusly, and we will do it from a position of strength. >> gary tuchman joins me now. i understand that san diego county is run mostly by republicans. how do they feel about the governor's actions? >> reporter: well, the legislative body here in san diego county, anderson, is the board of supervisors. there are four republicans, one democrat on the board, but they voted to approve the shelter in this county. the mayor of san diego is a republican, and he supports the shelter. so the governor, when he talked to me, he had nothing but good things to say about the republicans here in san diego county. anderson? >> interesting. gary, thanks very much. appreciate it. this is the fifth anniversary of a story that still sadly has no final chapter. i cannot believe it's been five years. a wide body jet disappeared five years ago and to this day, no one knows why or how or where it is. it's an extraordinary story that we began covering five years ago on this day, and, again, we still do not have answers. we have a cnn special report.
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it's called "vanished" the mystery of malaysia airlines flight 370. who can forget the day we learned that the flight had disappeared? answers, what we know, what we don't know. the special starts right now. >> announcer: the following is a cnn special report. malaysian 370. >> it's been five years since a state of the art aircraft disappeared. >> nobody expects a triple 7 to vanish. it just doesn't happen. >> where is malaysia airlines flight 370? >> hundreds of loved ones gone missing. years of searching. >> it's in exactly the most remote par