learn more about why you should choose an aarp medicare supplement plan. call today for a free guide. this is cnn breaking news. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. the big breaking news this hour, you see it on your screen. judge amy berman jackson about to sentence paul manafort the former trump campaign chairman. manafort for the first time saying in court he is sorry for what he has done, but the top lawyer for the counsel saying manafort's continued lawbreaking indicates little remorse. how manafort spent a decade, telling lies, keeping secrets and concealing who he worked for and hiding millions of dollars from the government. pamela brown and shimon prokupecz outside the courthouse in washington, d.c. as we wait, pat and shimon,

listening to paul manafort, i'm pretty nervous right now. >> the judge has had very strong words for paul manafort. she is still speaking and we're about to learn his sentence. we are on the cusp of it, but here's one of the lines she said to paul manafort today. she said saying i'm sorry i got caught is not an inspiring plea for leniency because earlier today in the courtroom for the first time paul manafort did say i'm sorry for what i did. he took full responsibility, but the judge just speaking moments ago is basically saying that she doesn't buy his apology. he committed these crimes knowingly, willfully, he knew exactly what he was doing and now essentially he is only saying "i'm sorry" because he got caught. she believes he's playing two games. at one point, were you trying to get a better deal? you're right, john, if you're

paul manafort you're very nervous right now because it appears that the judge really isn't expressing much sympathy toward paul manafort and we'll have to wait and see, any moment now about what she does and what his fate will be. >> she's handing down the sentencing now. she's going through it and we'll have that for you momentarily, but certainly this judge through this process, john, has not really been that sympathetic towards paul manafort. she felt he's been calculated in his response, what he's done with court filings and what he's done publicly and she's raised the issue of solitary confinement and the fact that he's in a private wing of a jail and not out in general population. somehow he's trying to use that for sympathy purposes and she's addressed the fact that while he came in here and said he's sorry may have been a little too late. he did plead guilty and then he lied to the special counsel's office. he lied to the grand jurors.

she was taking all of that into account, and going through piece by piece of his character and of his conduct since he pleaded guilty in the investigation and quite frankly not very pleased with him. >> not very pleased with him or his attorneys. she brought up that in one of the filings to the court that the attorneys made the case that there was no russian collusion, and she brought up, look, that's a non sequitur, why would you put that in court filings? it has nothing to do with robert mueller's main mission at looking at russian collusion and the crimes before her today has nothing to do with that and that's what she was focused on and has nothing to do with manafort or his attorneys. any moment now we will be learning exactly what his sentence -- >> yeah. we're going through. she's handing it down. she's essentially going over the

numbers and we're going over that now. obviously, there is a question of whether or not he is going to serve his time simultaneously or will she be adding time to the nearly four years he has received out of the virginia case last week. so that is what's going on. >> yeah. normally in these cases the sentencing is concurrent, meaning that they would serve it simultaneously. there is always the possibility that she could stack on extra years on top of the four years he's been sentenced too. that's what we'll be looking for really any moment now. >> and to the point -- >> that's what we're waiting for now. >> to the point you're making, this is a legal proceeding, obviously. paul manafort's second sentencing and the charges before her which is to conspiracy which she also seems acutely aware of the political environment of which this is playing out where manafort's lawyers have repeatedly come out of court said no russian collusion, no russian collusion, which has been seen very

publicly as a clear plate for the president and b for the possibility of a pardon or commutation. tell us and explain to our viewers more about this particular judge and how she has handled the politics of this big legal case. >> so, i think she's been very good at keeping a lot of that out of the courtroom. she said that it still matters in the courtroom and that's what's important. she said that a lot of what paul manafort, what his attorneys were doing were for some kind of public sympathy. there was always this talk that is paul manafort talking to an audience of one? are his attorneys trying to talk to the president? the audience of one. that's what we've seen a lot throughout this case. she was not happy with the attorneys bringing up russian collusion and the fact that this case has nothing to do with it. she essentially said it is a non

sequitur and not something for me to even consider, and i don't know why you brought this up. we know why he brought it up. >> it's political points. >> the whole issue of solitary confinement as a way to try and seek public sympathy. she didn't feel that was a fair representation of what his conditions are like in jail. she's very cognizant of it. look, she knows more about this case than probably any judge in this country and probably anybody. she knows as much about this case, probably as the special counsel's office. she's seen a lot of the documents and a lot of files under seal and she's overseeing the roger stone case and she has eyes into a lot of that, but she has made a point. she's very thorough. she has stuck to the evidence. she has stuck to what has occurred court and keeping everything that has happened outside of court just out of her judgment, sort of not even considering what's been going on outside of court.

>> yeah. she made the point today that we heard from the judge in virginia last week that collusion isn't being considered today because that is not what is before her. she is not saying, unlike what the president tweeted last week after judgel ellis, that that i not resolved in today's sentencing hearing, that is not before the court and then again, just emphasizing she was none too pleased because it's not before the court that the attorneys would bring that up that there is no collusion. of course, as we said, the subtext of that is a political point speaking to an audience of one and that would be the president. i think we can all agree that manafort and his teams want to see a pardon for president trump and so that is why they bring up this idea that there is no russian collusion. >> and also the president given credit to paul manafort for not cooperating and we heard this president use these words certainly towards michael cohen and recently even the president

just last week after paul manafort was sentenced in virginia, shown sympathy for what he's been through and is unfair. look, they clearly know what they're doing here. we'll probably hear from paul manafort's attorneys once they walk out here momentarily. >> yeah. now that the sentences are handed down and so we'll see what they have to say. what do they say toward that audience of one? >> there is a lot happening inside right now and we're waiting to get the final update on what we can tell you what exactly the sentencing is for paul manafort. again, high stakes for both paul manafort and the special counsel's team. think about it here, john. this is the most high-profile investigation under the special counsel robert mueller. it's an investigation that's been nearly two years. the first charges filed, i should say, in this case was against paul manafort and here we are today. this is the dramatic culmination of all of that in this final

sentencing. this is a dramatic downfall of the man who used to be the chairman of donald trump's campaign, and so we are just awaiting any moment now to report to you what exactly the sentencing is. >> we are waiting on those numbers from our folks inside the court, john. >> as we wait, paul manafort, 69 years old. he was sentenced to just shy of four years on the first set of charges in virginia. a lot of people thought it was a lenient sentence, but still he's 69 years old and just shy of four years in prison and could get additional time here which is why i found it so interesting that this person today, just today and the judge clearly said too little too late standing up in court saying my previous elocution, i was a changed of my conduct and apparently it was not clear what was in my heart. i am sorry for what i've done and towafor the activities that me here today. it's his conduct that has them and they're not a witch hunt and not a hoax, his conduct has him in court today, but the judge

was not terribly impressed, it seems. >> yeah. the judge basically said that she doesn't buy his apology fully. he did start off today saying, look, i'm sorry for what i've done. i accept responsibility. he knew that he made a mistake last week when he didn't say i'm sorry and the judge called him out for that saying he didn't show remorse even though he had it in his heart that that wasn't fully apparent and he tried to convey that today and change his tune. >> she didn't like the fact that he waited until today to say i'm sorry. she wasn't buying it. she brought up the fact that he never wrote a letter to her. the fact that he waited until today to say i'm sorry and it weighed heavily on her the conduct after he pleaded guilty. that seemed to have weighed heavily on her and what he did, and i think the way he performed, the way he's acted throughout this investigation, the witness tampering charges, very significant charges and just how he behaved.

she kept bringing up, i think she has felt that he's very calculated in his approach in all of this. >> guy, i'm sorrying from ohear producers in the courtroom that the judge has imposed an additional 43 months in prison. an additional 43 months. if you add nearly four years put in place by this judge in virginia, now an additional 43 months here. three-plus years there. what does that tell you about judge jackson and how she decided to weigh and let paul manafort serve these consecutively or concurrently? >> well, we're just looking at the update now, john, and it says he was sentenced in total to 73 months, 30 of those months will be served concurrently along with the virginia sentence. so basically what that means is it will happen simultaneously, but then there's the additional 43 months that he will serve consecutively. so after he serves the nearly

four years in prison under the virginia sentence, he then will serve 43 months in prison. >> so it's seven and a half years total for his time for paul manafort. >> yeah. >> an additional three and a half years or so to the virginia case, john. >> essentially, she gave him a six-year prison, but decided some of it would be served concurrently with the virginia charges. the rest of it continue to add in. as you guys continue to go through your notes i want to bring into the conversation, michael zellvin, former assistant at the justice department, assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. let me start with you as pam and shimon go through their notes from the producers inside the courtroom. take that balance. essentially six years, but 43 months of it to be served after the virginia term. so paul manafort is 69 years old and likely to spend the rest of his life in prison. >> maybe, john. let me break down the numbers. he had 47 months from the

sentence on virginia. the judge effectively added 43 months on top of that and i'm doing math here, doing my best, 90 months total. in the federal system there's no parole where prisoners can get 15% off for good time, good conduct in prison. if you take that away, that will put him at 77 months and manafort has been in jail for nine months. he gets credit for that so that brings us down to 68 months and again, if i'm doing the math and the calendar correct that means he would get out in november of 2024. >> november of 2024. michael zeldin is that what you would have expected? you have two different cases and two judges handling similar set of facts, but additional charges. is that the way you would have predicted it to come out? >> yes, in this way, john, what we saw in count 1 of this indictment. there were two counts here that he pleaded guilty to. count one had a substantial overlap with some of the facts in the virginia case.

the failure to file foreign registration and the tax fraud and count two principally was obstruction of justice. what she did was to give him the concurrent credit for that which overlapped in virginia and gave him consecutive time for the wholly different crime of lying to the doj which is the end of crime one and obstruction of justice in count two. we also have to remember that she signed a forfeiture order and an $11 million forfeiture order and they'll divest him of $11 million worth of property for real property and three bank accounts and the life insurance and the brokerage account. so when he gets out in 68 months' time, he is going to be a much poorer man and my experience in white-collar crime, oftentimes the jail time is more acceptable than the loss of all of your life's income even though it was derived from crime in large measure. i think what the forfeiture and

the consecutive time that this is a substantial penalty for his bad behavior. >> and inside the courtroom as all of this played out was our cnn's cara skinel. take us inside what had to be a dramatic few hours. >> yes. it certainly was, john. manafort's legal team had put forward the same argument that but for there being the special counsel's office, paul manafort would never have been in trouble. he would have a regulatory filing and the judge decidedly shut that down. that had no merit. he's offered this up repeatedly and she even was quoting from various sentencing memorandum and knocking it down saying it had zero merit. judge ellis said last week that this case was not about collusion. her judgment today had nothing to do with the questions of either of culpability of anyone or the existence of the special counsel. she said it was not an endorsement of them. she was sentencing paul manafort

on the merits of the case and in this case that was the conspiracy to defraud the u.s. of the foreign lobbying and also the witness tampering and she made a lot of point there on the witness tampering. she said that this was a serious crime, that this was something that he needed to be held to account for and when she came back, she took about a 20 minute, 30-minute break and came back against manafort saying that while she knows that his tone had changed from his sentencing of last week, she said she heard no acceptance of responsibility. there was no evidence of his acceptance of responsibility in both his statements in court and of would he just have run through the motions as he described it and what he was feeling sorry for and he was admitting that he did commit these crimes, but she didn't really seem to buy that argument from him. you know, she did acknowledge paul manafort when he spoke. he addressed the court in ten minutes and he did say that --

i'm just going to look for my notes here because there were some good ones for manafort and he said that he was sorry for what he's done and he acknowledged that last week in the hearing and after that hearing that judge ellis said that he wasn't sure that manafort had accepted responsibility and manafort said let me be clear and i accept responsibility for the actions that caused me to be here. he wanted to apologize. he apologized several times and he really emphasized the impact that this would have on his wife. she is his sole supporter. she she is 66. they would have nothing left after this. they took my properties, my cash, my insurance and the trust funds for his kids and grandkids and please let my wife and i be together and asks no more than the 47 months, but the judge thought differently. she, as i explained, went through the various points and disagreed with the defense argument. she also said that paul manafort was not public enemy number one

as the prosecution she suggested made it out to be. she tried to find the right balance here. she thought his crimes were serious crimes and he was deceitful continuing throughout the process before the court where she found that not only did he engage in witness tampering while under court supervision and he also lied to the grand jury and the fbi. so she weighed out her rationale for this sentence and, you know, finding that she would find 30 months of this, 60 months she was giving him for count one would run concurrent with the sentence he received in virginia and tacked on 13 months for the witness tampering that runs consecutively. that gives us to seven and a half years, john. >> a humbling day for the former trump campaign chairman. kara, continue the reporting. we're waiting to see if the attorneys in the case come out to speak and with me in the studio to share their insights, kathy lucy with the associated press, cnn's phil mattingly, and

cnn's sara murray. a huge fall from grace if that's the right word for paul manafort. i met paul 30 years ago when i came to washington, if you remember him from the 2016 convention and big man, swagger, and now humbled today by a federal judge who is senting him to prison for quite some time. to be clear, none of the charges have anything to do with the president of the united states and that is the argument the trump legal team have to make. you can flip the coin and if you judge a man by the company he keeps, and michael flynn convicted and michael cohen going to prison, you can look at it that way. >> we went from hire to all of the best people and now all of the people i hired are on their way to jail cells. i think today is, you know, it's a mixed bag. paul manafort, obviously, he's 69 years old and he's going to be going to jail for a long time for that age. he has taken a huge hit. so obviously, his wealth, how he's lost his trust fund for his

children. he's lost all of this because he was defrauding banks and not paying taxes. this is not punishment and this is restitution to the institutions he's defrauded including the u.s. government, but for the prosecution who is potentially giving manafort 25 years in virginia and a maximum ten years in d.c., this is a very small sentence compared to what they could have gotten. you will see everyone who is a defender of the president saying the prosecution didn't get nearly everything they wanted and by the way, was there still no evidence of collusion. thanks not what manafort was on trial to, and that's a reasonable talking point for them to be out there trotting today. >> we look to the legal impacts of this and the judge making the port to paul manafort, stop, this is only because of the special counsel investigation and let's remember, some of the investigations come before the special counsel was appointed and they decided the justice department made sense for you to take this on with paul manafort's conduct. the manafort argument is weak. if you are the special counsel, or if you're the trump legal team. one of the burdens on you now

that we're at this moment where you have manafort going to prison and the other cases winding down and the special counsel can make the case and my job is to find crime, and if you're on team trump, make the case, and i thought it was about russian collusion. where's your evidence? >> the reality is this isn't the end and it is the most high profill capr profile case and it's ad nauseam and things moving through the courtroom. i think what's interesting. you made a point that sticks out to me. regardless of the fact that this didn't have anything to do with russian collusion, per se, which the judge made very clear was a quote, unquote, non sequitur through the points of this case is the idea of having a campaign chairman who we dealt with a lot during the campaign and dealt with in cleveland during the convention, and he was convicted to more than seven and a half years in prison. each side has their talking

points here, but the reality remains one of the most high-profile people in the campaign is now going to jail along with a number of others and two, this investigation is ongoing and will only be, i think, added to by what's going to happen on capitol hill, as well. >> the trump folks have tried to make two arguments throughout this. one, this is a political witch hunt. this is persecution. nothing to see here. the other one, though, they've come back again and again, they haven't proven collusion and you saw the president make that point again last week, and i think we've seen this back and forth with trump and manafort team which i think is also the next thing to look for, which s you know, is there going to be talk of a partner which is not clear, but the fact that the president last week says he was a good man and he felt sorry for him and suggests that he has sympathy for him. >> the fact that the president is saying he's a good man is interesting. it makes sense from a political argument, to the trump base, no collusion, no collusion, no collusion, and you're talking to

the people there. how do you say good man that the court has sent to prison for swampy crimes. yes, his kids will suffer. his kids will suffer not because of two federal judges and the special counsel. the kids will suffer because of the conduct of their father. >> this is something that the president has consistently said about paul manafort. he's distanced himself several times, saying he didn't work for me that long, but regardless, he is a good man and the question is it will come into such sharper perspective now with the second sentence and katherine's point, and what sara sanders said at the briefing this morning, that the president will make his decision on the manafort pardon, quote, when he is ready which seems to suggest that there is a little bit more of an opening of the door there. >> that is a fascinating statement in the sense that maybe she just was trying to fill the time which sometimes she has to do given the boss she works for who pulls out the rug

many timeses. read that quote. there's been a discussion and it's an open question and an active issue as opposed to we don't talk about that. >> especially after the president has said recently, i'm not talking about the pardon. it's only you guys in the media talking about a pardon. >> the great irony of this is that donald trump didn't particularly like paul manafort when he had paul manafort on his payroll. he did like michael cohen, but now he hates michael cohen and because paul manafort is out there essentially not cooperating and insisting there's no clauollusion, all of sudden he does like manafort and it could have been word for word out of donald trump's mouth. the idea that manafort was only being prosecuted because flfs a special counsel investigation and because he did this work on the campaign. that is something that donald trump has said publicly and also something he's said privately about paul manafort because donald trump the president, this is just a political prosecution. they were just out to get anyone who helped him get elected. >> michael zeldin, as someone

who has worked with robert mueller, forgive me, but i'll ask you to climb into his thinking a little bit. this is the high-profile prosecution and you have paul manafort sent to prison for a considerable period of time. as you're gearing up for the roger stone case and you're winding down with the michael flynn case and you're winding down with the rick gates case and you're preparing a final report. what is robert mueller thinking right now? is he thinking about the politics of this and paul manafort is going to prison and it has nothing to do with me. what is the political pressure robert mueller as he prepares the report? >> i don't believe that mueller really feels a lot of political pressure here. >> is that humanly possible? >> i understand. -- remember when he was u.s. attorney in boston? he was fbi director and in a position of great strength with the people after 9/11, i get, a vietnam hero, but feels no political pressure. is he that good? >> i'm not saying no political pressure. i say the pressure mueller has

to feel is what were the contents of his report look like? that is the regulations under which he is operating can allow him to write a very skeletal report and a doj memo saying i decline to prosecute people or a more wholesome report to say what this case was really about. i think the big pressure point for bob is what is he going say in that report? i think the sentence he got from manafort is adequate. the forfeiture is telling. i think we'll hear on thursday what his intentions are with flynn and with gates. so i think -- i think he has to be satisfied with the way the case is moving along in respective indictments and guilty pleas and sentences. it's just a question of this report and what does he say and what sort of blowback does he get if he isn't really fully wholesome with the american people as soon as we see the report about what he found. that's the pressure point more

than anything else, john. >> ali, come back into the conversation. paul manafort has been sentenced twice and he is done and he'll go off to prison and serve his time and if you're team trump you'll say this was the highest profile prosecution and they've proved no collusion. as a former prosecutor, it's not just the conduct of people he hired and his conduct before federal investigators? >> think we're just opening up a next chapter with the southern district of new york, having worked there for eight years. you can see what's coming. you can see they've subpoenaed the trump organization and they've subpoenaed the inauguration and they're digging in and digging in deep and i expect more to come out in the next few years and it's interesting to see what judge jackson did today in going out of her way to stress this case had nothing to do with collusion because i think she did not want to have her words twisted in the way the president twisted judge

ellis' words. there is a big difference between this case has nothing to do with collusion and this whas nothing to do with collusion and she didn't want to have her words twisted. >> i want to read from the correspondents and producers in the courthouse. very little emotion from manafort and his family. the first part of the hearing, where his criminal conspiracy, manafort was not watching the prosecutor. he spoke for 20 to 30 minutes and manafort had his back to the podium for most of the time. not wanting to hear? >> yeah, i think that he had got a pretty strong dressing down from the judge. i think that this is -- this is even if you are paul manafort and even if you've spent a very long time getting away with these kind of crimes, this is now someone who has been sitting in a jail cell for months and has had time to think about what

he's done and the position he's put himself in and the position he's put his family in, and i think even if you are a criminal which he now is, you can't escape the magnitude of that moment of knowing that you don't know what's going to happen and essentially for the next ten years of your life, you don't know where you're leaving your wife and you don't know where you're leaving your children and the gravity of the situation. >> the sentencing is over and paul manafort will be processed again in this court and he has been in prison and he'll stay in prison and we do expect his attorneys to come out and as they have in the past, they have spoken to the cameras and as we discussed earlier, when they have done so they are clearly speaking to the cameras, and the president of the united states by making the case here. shimon and pam are at the courthouse. in that sense, given this moment do we look to these attorneys for their comments to be any different, perhaps more remorseful or will we get some of that defiance as we've heard in the past? >> i really wouldn't be

surprised if there was more defiance now that this is all over and he's been sentenced to seven and a half years in prison between these two cases. i look to for more of the same from them. they even said in court today that but for the 2016 election they didn't believe that manafort would have been here today. as you'll recall, last week, after shortly the sentencing in virginia, they said once again this shows there is no russian collusion speaking to an audience of one, as you point the out, john, to the president of the united states to give paul manafort a pardon. as we've heard, trump has been sympathetic to his former campaign chairman and that is who manafort and his legal team is speaking to at this point. >> a gag order is no longer in effect. so the attorney for paul manafort is free to speak now and certainly, we haven't heard much from him. every time we've tried to talk to him and says i can't speak

because of the gag order and that is now lifted and let's see what he has to say and does he talk to this audience of one. paul manafort is now looking at seven years of his life. >> he's 77. >> we'll show you -- >> that is paul manafort's family leaving the courthouse walking down the sidewalk of the federal courthouse and the cameraman catching that. shimon, sorry for that. continue. >> no, he's going to be in there for at least another six years or so unless the president pardons him. that is what many expect in the end, that the president will do that. obviously that won't happen until mueller is done. that could happen very soon, as well. the other thing that i think it's important to know, just what this means in terms of this investigation and pam and i were talking about this earlier, you know, this is really the last -- perhaps the last big moment of this investigation is key figure

in this entire investigation, the case is now over. paul manafort was one of the key figures in all of this. he's now done. there is nothing more to do for the special counsel with his case and that is now over, and i think that weighed heavily on the prosecutors who spoke today in court at times. there was -- you saw little emotion from them. they were hugging or shaking hands afterwards, after the prosecutor finished speaking and publicly, they've taken a lot of heat certainly from the president and other folks. that has weighed heavily on them and it was their opportunity to really get in there and tell the judge what they feel about paul manafort? >> yeah, i mean, look, this is an investigation they spent two years on and what they were trying to do today makes the case and this has not been a witch hunt that lasted two years that paul manafort committed serious crimes and he committed

crimes even after pleading guilty, but on the other hand as you've been pointing out, john, critics of the special counsel including the president will likely pounce on this saying he's spending seven and a half years behind bars and he was sentenced to that and for no charges related to russian collusion. that is something that i think critics of the probe will also seize on. john? >> that's just one chapter. one chapter and you saw a couple of shots there and paul manafort's family. they have a lot to consider as they go home today. their days in court are over and we'll work in a quick break and we're waiting to see manafort's attorneys to emerge in the courthouse. any comment from the special counsel's office. quick break and we'll be back with the breaking news. if you have moderate to severe psoriasis,

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back to our breaking news. a combined seven and a half year sentence for paul manafort, former compa former trump campaign chairman. outside of that courthouse pamela brown and shimon prokupecz. give us some more details here of a, what we anticipate, and b, some of the drama inside this court hearing that went on for hours. manafort saying he's sorry and making his case for leniency and the special counsel's office laying out the details of these crimes and the judge being quite skeptical that the remorse she was hearing today was genuine. >> yeah. i mean, that's right. the judge was -- she really didn't mince words here. she was saying that manafort -- she said that essentially his career was about gaming the system. she said that, you know, all of this argument is all spin he's been giving her and this played out in court and it played out during the whole process of him engaging in witness tampering when he was out on bail. she said that he had lied about

the ways he was going to post bail. he could use the mortgage and that they were entitled to the property that was backed by the mortgage. she went into how he was arguing about his kosolitary confinemen being so terrible and that he had a private room with a shower, a computer, e-mail, television and she was knocking down from the simplest levels to the fraud that he committed saying that everything was about deceit. everything was about spin and lies and so she was not buying his argument that he got caught up in the system and that he would only had been prosecuted but for the special counsel investigation and she hammered him on that and even in his statement today which she said she appreciated she didn't find at all that he was accepting responsibility and it was interesting. she also noted that of all of the defendants that she's seen over the years, english is not their first language they would often write a letter to the

court expressing their remorse and sorrow and it stuck out to her today that she received no letter from manafort and just the brief words that he gave in court today. >> you and i were talking during the break just about the atmosphere in the court just how quiet it was and still. >> it was really remarkable, with the weight of this during when the prosecutor was speaking and he was laying out the facts of the charges they brought and what they brought in today. he's in a wheelchair and wearing a suit and tie unlike the prison jump suit he was last week and he turned his back to the prosecutors and at times he looked like he was staring off into space and he was writing a letter to his lawyer and when his lawyers were speaking he just sat very quietly as they were arguing and defending for him, and when the judge was giving up her sentence, again, this time he was turned and he was facing her and he was completely motionless during the entire process. he did not see any reaction by the prosecutors today and i think the big shocker last week

when there was a big number and the big potential jail time and we just didn't see any reaction today, and also because the judge, while she said that manafort was not public enemy number one, she said he's not a victim either and he had the sentence reflect that and so that's when we see a longer sentence here and not the maximum that it could have been and very interesting to see not much of a reaction to anyone and manafort himself who was very still and his wife also and she was sitting second row behind him and she was also pretty emotionless the entire time. >> she was trying to strike a balance here, and it is true, two and a half years concurrent and that he'll serve simultaneously. she could have piled it all on top of four years. no doubt about it, she gave paul manafort and his attorneys a dressing down today in court for his actions. she remri pprimanded his attorn for bringing up there was no russia collusion saying it was a

non sequitur and that has nothing to do with what is before me. she was none too pleased with his attorneys bringing that up and with paul manafort himself and she basically said he was playing games and were you laying out the facts then to get a better deal and she could see through what he was doing through his calculating actions today, john? >> you guys stand by at the courthouse. we're waiting to see if manafort's attorneys come out to speak to reporters. the canadian transport minister calling out american regulators as canada joins a list of grounding all 737 max jets. specifically from the chihuahua people. the level of details it gives you it's, it's incredible. 20 million members have connected to a deeper family story. order your kit at ancestry.com. ♪

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such -- >> liar! >> that is totally unnecessary. >> you guys are liars, man! you're not lawyers! you're liars! >> a brief statement there, a brief statement with kevin downing, paul manafort's lead attorney saying it was somewhat predictable, it's not what the judge said. judge jackson saying today there was no russian collusion. that has been a trademark play for paul manafort's lawyer outside of court when he leaves these hearings and you see him walking down the streets with the inevitable cluster of cameramen chasing him and passersby out there and people in the courtroom wanting to make a political statement heckling, and we talked about this a bit earlier. you might have thought there would be an additional comment at the end of this federal chapter, and there could be another chapter for paul manafort ahead. no russian collusion. speaking to the cameras, but really speaking to the president of the united states.

>> i'm struck how not subtle that was and to your point. we should have expected it. we've seen it in the filings and the statement in the past and list of literally nothing else he had to say and he's a well-respected lawyer in town, but yeah -- it's -- i've been trying over the last couple of weeks to try and figure out, okay, what is the other angle and it can't all just be about a pardon or it can't all be just about speaking to the president. to the extension of this, over the course of the last 20 minutes or so, i've received repeated texts from republicans on capitol hill basically saying he's totally going to pardon him, isn't he? out of sheer terror of what that would mean politically for them in the month ahead. >> republicans on capitol hill think a bad political move for the president heading into an election year, pardoning someone who has been convicted twice now of swampy conduct and let's connect the dots and go out to kara scannell outside the out

house. the president would deliver a pardon, new york authorities today delivering their answer to that question. >> the manhattan district attorney's office filed a 16-count indictment against paul manafort, making allegations that he violated residential mortgage fraud, attempting to commit residential fraud, conspiracy and falsifying business records. many of the charges in this case are exactly the same ones that he committed in virginia. it has to do with the same loans that manafort has taken out from banks and that he lied to the banks in order to get those loans. this raises two questions. on the one hand this say move by the state prosecutors to say that this is a way to pardon-proof the case in case the president does pardon donald trump -- in case president trump pardons paul manafort on the federal crimes he was sentenced to today, but now the state charges are in a different level and this is new, fresh liability that paul manafort faces and

will raise the question of double jeopardy because there are some overlapping crimes that were committed here and that is what we will see manafort's team argue in court, and by the move today the district attorney's office bringing this indictment saying they can move through the double jeopardy and they're confident they can bring this case. >> these are relating to charges out of new york. just to let everyone know, the manhattan d.a.'s office has been investigating this probably since charges were brought against paul manafort since he was investigated by the mueller team. they've been working on this for quite some time. one of the reasons they didn't move sooner is they didn't want to interfere in the mueller probe. they have been keeping secrets in private and making sure they don't interfere in that investigation and now that it's very apparent that mueller is done with paul manafort and as kara said, this is a way to pardon-proof this so that if the president does pardon paul manafort he's still facing a substantial amount of prison

time. this time it will be on state charges out of new york. so -- >> that can't be pardoned. >> maybe paul manafort feeling some relief here today, there may be some, but he's certainly not out of the woods yet. he's in a lot of trouble now in new york. >> and that is for a looming question after the final sentencing, what is donald trump going to do? will he pardon paul manafort in you just heard kevin downing, his attorney, sort of make that plea, it seems to donald trump directly saying there was no russian collusion. once again, reiterating what he said last week even though this case had nothing to do with russian collusion. that wasn't the charges before the court today, but clearly they went to echo what the president has said. there was no russian collusion, and so the idea of whether -- the question of whether the president will pardon paul manafort is still very much up in the air. the president hasn't closed the door on it and he's been

sympathetic toward paul manafort and this argument that kara reported shows that even there could be state charges he faces that he couldn't be pardoned from. >> stay with us in case there are new developments there. ali, i want to bring you into the conversation because this is yet another reminder that this legal case so often intertwines with politics in the sense that when i covered this business i covered the courts a lot. you have state prosecutors and federal prosecutors and they have the same case and go into the room saying who has the best sentencing guidelines and who has the best sense to handle this to get justice? in this case you have state officials saying we're heared that this guy might get a pardon so we'll have a political fire wall, if you will. i get it, and i'm not questioning the merits of the case brought by mr. vance, but is this a good way to have a justice system where we can't trust the president, therefore we have to have state charges to back up federal charges? >> no, john, i don't like it

from a prosecutor's perspective. everyone is playing the pardon game and no better intersection of politics and criminal justice than a pardon. first we saw downing the lawyer for manafort basically going to the microphone and unleashed this mercenary begging for a pardon, totally misleading statement about oh, two judges have said no collusion, not at all what the judge said. the timing of the d.a. in manhattan announcing these judges minutes after the sentence really smacks of a political move by the manhattan d.a. and you're exactly right. in any normal case you get in the room, the feds, the state and the county level people and you do what we call deconflict. who has the best case? let's all sort of share evidence and get behind the one prosecution. this idea of serial prosecution one after the other i don't like is a former prosecutor and kara's right. this is not necessarily going to pardon proof anything because manafort will have a real double

jeopardy argument. he will go into manhattan court and say i've been pardoned for this, and this is double jeopardy and i am entitled to not be prosecuted again for it. >> i guarantee there is nothing else and there are sadly, in some cases politics involved as well. a quick break. when we come back, canada grounds boeing jets. the question now is will the united states join much of the world and follow suit or not? alice loves the smell of gain so much, she wished it came in a fabric softener too. [throat clears] say hello to your fairy godmother, alice. oh and look they got gain scent beads and dryer sheets too! i felt i couldn't be at my best wifor my family. c, in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured and left those doubts behind. i faced reminders of my hep c every day. but in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. even hanging with friends i worried about my hep c.

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canada choosing today to ground boeing 737 max jets, both the max 8 and the max 9 which is a larger version of the plane in question. the canadian transportation minister saying they made that decision based on new data adding the united states will have to make its own decisions. the faa here in the states still standing firm in its choice to keep the plane in the air saying in a statement, quote, the faa continues to review extensively all available data and aggregate safety performance from operators and pilots of the 737 max. thus far, our review shows no systematic performance issues and provides no basis to order grounding the aircraft. canada now joining much of the word essentially leaving the united states alone. number one, just from a common sense standpoint, why not ground them for a few days and check them out. the faa says that's not how it works and we have an acting administrator of the agency and there should be someone permanent and pro in charge and

on capitol hill, richard blumenthal, the democrat of connecticut a short time ago saying why isn't the faa acting? >> they should have grounded the plane voluntarily and the government shutdown absolutely aggravated and exacerbated the failure of the faa. they had the new software. they knew of the problem and the airline should be held accountable and the faa has the responsibility to act right away. >> there will be a hearing this week in congress, but this administration so far seems to say we don't have the data. no. >> the 40-plus or more countries that have decided to ground them, and the bottom has fallen out of boeing's support on capitol hill and boeing is a lobbying powerhouse and more importantly than that, it has so many plants and so many manufacturing bases in so many states because it's jobs in their state and a lot of those members were calling for planes to be grounded.

we're not holding their fire a little bit and usually, led by them yesterday, and we might have been talking about it in the hallway. i thought something will have to give soon and you don't see bipartisan dropping out and this being the state of play and it hasn't. i'm struck by that. i'm very intrigued to see what's going on behind the scenes. >> the faa is a leader internationally in terms of these decisions and it's unusual for them to be on their own. you know that president trump spoke with the boeing ceo yesterday and we don't know what that conversation entailed and there are things going on behind the scenes here. >> and part of that, the nod and the plane does know a lot about planes and he's close to his former pilot and with the technology on planes is par for the course in this administration, but we have not seen the administration does not usually bow to pressure from capitol hill. is this a case where there must be enough pressure for secretary chao to say we'll take a pause here? she seems steadfast so far.

>> secretary chao that's certainly what lawmakers will be asking. >> we'll keep an eye on this. a big story outside of washington, your safety. thanks for joining us for "inside politics." brianna keilar starts right now. have a great afternoon. this is cnn breaking news. john, thank you. i'm brianna keilar live from cnn's washington headquarters and breaking right now, a one-two punch for paul manafort moments after being sentenced in federal court. he was hit with state charges out of new york. a week after receiving a surprisingly light 47-month sentence in another courtroom, manafort was given a much stiffer sentence closer to the maximum. the judge adding another 43 months on top of those 47 that he's already going to serve, then moments after that sentence was handed down the manhattan attorney general announced that manafort is being charged with several state crimes. our