chance to win the nomflation for president. >> we will see you back here in one hour for cnn requested newsroom." off to "smerconish." here you go. i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. let me tell you about steven from new york. he called my sirius xm radio program yesterday in its second hour. er with reacting in real time to the news of the horrific execution of 49 in new zealand mosques. now, before a caller gets on my air, a producer puts a blurb on my computer telling me what the caller said while being screened. in steven's case, it said he wanted to talk about an australian politician who just said something controversial. it turns out senator frazer annone blamed it on immigration

policies, it has since been removed from his social media. it said this -- presumably. that's what led to this incident of the senator then being egged while defending his words. but steven, my caller, called the politician's words courageous. >> quite honestly, and in no way shape or formal i justifying or approving of this attack, but this is what happens when you push a population to the breaking point. >> in my response, i said he was defending the conduct of likely someone mentally ill. he disagreed. >> he is absolutely not mentally ill. he made a conscious decision to

say i am not going to allow my nation to be taken over by these muslim invaders. . >> the call immediately alarmed me. i program is not a clearinghouse for hatred, nor do i censor. i rode what we called the dump button as he spoke. i let him continue. all told, the conversation lasted nearly three minutes. i told him i found his phone call frightening. he said this. >> people are going to take the law into their own hands because they're not going to be replaced. now in no way, shape or form, am i one of these guys. i don't want the fbi out on me. this is my opinion. white men are not going to take it any more. >> thank you, steven, maybe to my detriment, i allowed you to express it. i keep thinking about that calm. i just keep rung it through in my mind. i don't regret taking it. those feelings are out there. they need to be exposed. they have given rise to populism around the globe. don't take my word for it.

take hillary clinton's. in an interview with the g "guardian" last year, she sa. she said this -- she's not alone in recognizing how the rise of populism, mostly right leaning, is the most important european political development of the 21st century. wonderful gallston, a very fellow at brookings institution and "wall street journal" columnist wrote last year, quote, left unaddressed, the rise of anti-immigrant, anti-internationalist sentiment,

which has solicited the political balance within europe, could have grave consequences for liberal democracy, itself. it's hard to have this conversation, especially after such bloodshed, some will hear justification. nothing could be further from the truth. only a hate-filled lunatic would do who just occurred in new zealand. we need to recognize the white nationalism that drove this killer also exists among others, like my caller stephen, who says he has no murderous intention, but he has political will. a desire to maintain the status quo. sentiments like those that fuel both brexit and the rise of donald trump, the same president trump who yesterday said he doesn't see white nationalism as a rising threat. but fear is driving the rise of white ring populism around the globe. not all populism is white nationalism. white nationalism is a subset of populism. it's a movement that will continue to spread until world leaders address the sorts of

policy concerns hillary clinton was referencing to the requested guardian." migration, immigration, national identity. ironically, those conversations were made all the more difficult by the white nationalist gunman in new zealand. go to my website smerconish.com, answer this question. does white nationalism pose a threat to liberal democracy? joining me now to discuss is kaz irka kazir con, he is the farm of the captain killed in 24 and made a speech at the democratic national convention waving the constitution at president trump and subsequently wrote the book, an american family, a memoir of hope and sacrifice, mr. khan, thank you so much for coming back to the program. what should i have said about this caller who wanted to speak about populism and tie it to his immigration concerns?

>> well, fear of immigrants. let me add to that. at this moment, there are reportedly 70 million people in the pipeline of immigration from east to west. i would have asked him what is causing this immigration. wars. destablevation. where west has its hands in those countries, causing this immigration. climate change is causing the immigration. this half-baked thinking about the immigration is nothing but hatred towards immigrants, hatred towards others. it's the same hate that caused the attack on mother emanuel church in south carolina, killed black americans.

then tree of life attack, then, of course, new zealand attack and other attacks burning people's places of worship, our condolences to all of the victims of this violence. violence is no solution. i, after i spoke at the convention, i received and continue to receive thousands of letters of encouragement, one letter stands out that i must mention, a small paragraph from that. that has the answer to your question that should raise you could have raised and it's written by a retired army nurse. she served in combrurp aeurope last assignment was if germany. she writes to us, saying, mr. con, continmr. khan, continue to speak against this hatred of immigrants and

others and faith communities. it was exactly the same circumstances, same rhetoric that caused the second world war. the atrocities that were committed by these nazis and neo-nazis against the humanity. you a decent people of america must continue to speak, all decent people of the world continue to speak against this hatred. we do not look deeper into what is causing this immigration. you ask the immigrants in the process, will you rather be? they will tell you that they would rather be at home with their families, where they were born, where they would like to live, but it is the distabilization caused by the west throughout the world. it is that, that is causing this immigration and this hatred. this white supremacy. this evil of our time is

exploiting that this immigration and that issue to their advantage to dispute hate and to create division. i would go this far at this time around those who do not wish america well, those who are against the unity of the united states, they have their hands in destabilizing american democracy, western democracy. it's their hand that is stroking this hatred, they are stroking this chaos in the western world, in the democratic world against democracies. this is too deep and one warning to the communities of the faith is that, please protect yourself. this menace is not going away, up until it is defeated, up until it is put to rest, we must protect ourselves, our places of

worship, our places of gathering. there is nothing wrong with that. and the finally i would say this, that this menace in the west, in united states, must be defeated at the ballot box. in united states, it rolls its ugly head in 2016 by the election of this most bigoted candidate then and now as the president. it must be defeated at the ballot box and forever so it never rises again. this is not first time it has happened in the mccarthy era. >> mr. khan. >> yes. >> i said in my comment airplane that not all populism is white nationalism but white nationalism is a subset of populism. politicians around globe are doing quite well riding on a

wave of populism. how do we distinguish between the two? >> well, look, populism is, as you said, is a part of this nationalism. it is a sentiment. it is a sentiment of the people that express that i don't agree we that. i respectfully disagree we that. it is what is causing the populism is the sentiment against other and against what we are not familiar with, with others, with other faiths, with other creeds, with other nationalities. so we are using this moment this conversation to further our own

agend agenda. >> mr. kahn, thank you for coming back to the program. >> thank you. >> i will read some responses throughout the course of the program. smerconish, your caller steven shouldn't surprise you, america's well-kept secret is getting eyes and ear itself on it. hey, palm, i want to expose the sentiments of stevens out there. steven might not be acting on a murderous rage. i would imply he was, i am saying the same sentiments that are running through his mind are the types that were acted on by that gunman in new zealand and politically speaking, we need to assess the political dynamics that's giving rise to politicians all around the globe based on those sentiments. i want to know what you think, go to my smerconish.com. does white nationalism pose a threat to liberal democracy? up ahead, while donald trump

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hope there had been a primary challenge to the president. 41% do not. not exactly a promising sign for an incumbent. it means there can be an opening for strength. one notable combatant has stretched into the breach and formed an exploratory committee. the later u.s. assistant attorney for the doj's criminal division and ran as gary johnson's vice president in the libertarian party ticket. there is something else timely about bill weld's bid, he was once robert mueller's boss. hey, governor, welcome back. what was it like to be mueller's boss? >> it was terrifying. he is so well informed and thorough you just hesitated to even make any editorial comment. let me ask you something, michael. i think i heard it said on the show a few moments ago, that president trump yesterday expressed the thought. what itself so terrible about this idea of white nationalism

or white supremacy? i think he has expressed similar thoughts in the past. it lies in my mind that a few weeks ago, a republican congressman from iowa was stripped of his committee assignments for saying exactly the same thing. if that's true, what's going on here? >> i got the clip, i think. if so, katherine, can we run what the government is referencing and let everybody else see it? maybe not. >> white nationalism is a rising threat around the world? >> i don't think really. it's a small group of people that have very, very serious problems. i guess if you look at what happened in new zealand, perhaps that's a case. i don't know enough about it yet. they're just learning about the person and the people involved. but it's certainly a terrible thing. a terrible thing. >> what is it governor that we should do as a result of -- go ahead. >> i think the president's early

connections with charlottesville, same point. >> what is this all about? is the intention to win or politically speaking to beat him up so he can get knocked a tough general election? >> no, no, the intention is to win. there is no point doing something about what i am about to do unless you intend to go all the way and win. i thought candidly for the last ten or 15 years i could start monday in that job at 1,600 pennsylvania, have a mix of domestic and international experience would fit me for the job. which is more than i can say for the current numbered, who specializes in buzz words and platitudes, he flings about for all their worth. foreigners cause the trouble. the future of the energy industry in the united states is comb. that's where we got to go. climate change is a hoax.

these are just buzz words. there is nothing behind them. i don't think the president is knowledgeable on any of these issues. he simply repeats his buzz words. now it's not entirely his fault. before he was elected president of the united states, he was a new york city and paump socilm social out exploiting the television industry, that's no reason for being the president of the united states. i'm not saying it's his fault. i'm saying she a fish out of water. i think as the campaign goes on, that idea is going to take root. >> haven't all the bill weld republicans, people like me, already left the party? >> well, you talk about leaving the party, i have never left the party of lincoln. when i started in republican politics back in the '60s people

listen to each other. policy was made by hammering thing outs and comprising. a lot got done. lions walked the earth. if people were giving a speech. the gamries were forced to listen. no one wants to give a speech, it's at 3:00 a.m. in a dark chamber with the cspan camera not allowed to leave the face of the speaker. >> my point is, his standing is like 90% among republicans. it's because there has been an exodus of we moderate republicans. >> well, you know, the trump party, if i may trumpism is a the natural error of the know-nothing party of the 19th century, which like the trumpism was founded on anti-immigrant fervor. they hated in that case catholics. the catholics coming in from germany and italy. they had violent rallies, just like trumpism. they believe in conspiracy

theories, like trumpism. and that party disappeared into the mist. i think same thing is going to happen with trumpism. i think this is you are right a flash. a real flash in the pan. i think it will wind up being that. when the sober second thought of the community kicks in. >> governor, are you formally in? can we make some news today or are we still going through the dance? . >> i think month o april, michael. but it does pay to get your ducks in a row before you formal ly announce and my sense is by some point in the month of april the stars will be in alignment. >> governor weld, thanks for coming back. great, michael. always a pleasure. >> let under the circumstances see what you are saying on our smerconish and twitter and facebook pages what do we have? governor weld is doing what true republicans should be doing, trying to save the conservative party. you know, i think the strategy

here, if i had more time, i'd have gotten into it with him. he's in an ad joining state where he was a two-term governor. a republican governor of a very liberal democratic state, massachusetts. he's well known in new hampshire. and i think that probably his strategy is that if he runs well in the new hampshire primary, maybe wins that state, lfrls itup sets the apple cart and the invincibility around the president and his nomination is cast into doubt. my hunch is that is what governor weld is hoping for. still to come, this new ad touting apple phone's privacy is the latest reminder our data is these days. what if i i told you there is another way we are revealing crucial information? and the fraudulent scandal got a ton of publicity, because it involved a up the him tv stars, it reveals a deeper systemic problem with the admissions process. here's what bill mamr said last

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cut throat competition for a few night number of slots. the only thing for sure is that currently nobody is happy. asian americans think they're being limited by quotas. other minorities think it's a game of white privilege. those who are white and privileged think the minorities and the athletes are reducing slots for their kids. according to prosecutors, william singer, the college admission consultant offered two services, fraudulently boosting entrance exams and falsely identifying students as stellar athletes. the latter allegedly involved candidates for the stanford sailing program and the georgetown tennis team among others. now everybody is seeing in this story what reenforces their beliefs. i guess that includes me. my sirius xm radio listeners know my bias against the s.a.t., that it can be gained is evident from this case. studying for it has created a cottage industry catering to the wealthy.

it receivers undue influence in the admissions process. i think it's an unfair predictor of performance. admittedly it's because i did poorly in the s.a.t. in the day. i see the s.a.t. as a part of a vicious cycle. consider this. last year, stanford had 47,451 apply can't and accepted 2 o 071. it was the 4.3% rate, the lowest ever. george town has 22,897 and accepted 3,327, a rate of 14.5%, also their lowlowest. why would nearly twice as many apply to stanford as george town? you may say ranking or climate? true, according to u.s. news and world reports stanford is number 7 in the nation and georgetown is tied at number 22 and the weather in palo alto is more predictably nice than

washington, d.c. agreed. but i think there is an additional explanation. stanford accepts the common application as do many other schools. georgetown does not so if you are a far easier to apply to georgetown as long as you want to pay the $90 fee. you want to fill out the application for that school including numerous high ro essays, georgetown recommends taking three s.a.t. 2 exams which is more than other schools. stanford emission needs to sort through enough applicants to literally fill a football stadium. >> that puts particular emphasis on the numbers, the saturday saturday in particular. the reality is probably the bulk of the stanford applicant versus no shot to get in. they figure, hay, hell, maybe lightning will strike? here's good news, more schools are discounting the s.a.t.

s.a.t. exams, according to fair test, the national center for fair and open testing. as of today 1, 023 bachelor degree granting colleges and universities will make decisions about all or many of their applicants without regard to the s.a.t. s.a.t. scores. the test optional list now includes more than half of the nation's top ranked liberal arts colleges and a rapidly growing number of selective universities? the university of chicago, wake forest? brandice, american, wooster polly technic institute and george washington university. i'm hoping this will continue. grades earned over years should be a primary import, not performance on a single saturday morning. >> that it will take the edge off competition and put families of all economic background on equal footing is a plus. again, there is no excuse for those parents who allegedly did something reprehensible.

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against people who lack the instability. massachusetts, the only state with a law that requires businesses to accept cash. but when a few law goes into effect in july in philadelphia, it will become the first u.s. city to require most retail stores to accept cash. new york city. and new jersey are now looking at similar measures. will cash make a comeback or is this a losing battle? joining me now is a harvard economics professor and former chief economist at the international monetary fund. he is also the author of the curse of cash. professor, should businesses be able to determine what form they'll accept? >> i think it's good this issue is getting looked at. we don't have sufficient financial inclusion here. i don't think we're ready to have a cashless society any time soon. on the other hand, the question who, if you are a liquor store that's been violently robbed three times at night, should you be having to have cash? should cash be required for big

ticket items? i think is a question of where to draw the line, grocery stores, certainly pharmacies, i think a lot of things, i think this is something good to look at. most of them do accept cash. but it's an important issue. >> to a certain extent, many vendors already exercise control. we all walked into the deli that has a sign that says we don't xep e accept 50s or 100s. never found it clearly currency is appropriate or lawful. >> well, i this city federal law is incredibly broad. i think in principle, the store could say we only accept euros in currency. nobody does that. they are looking for their own costs. if you are a heavy cash insurance business, there is problems with theft, violence. there the a lot of tax evasion, let's understand what goes on

with particularly stores that accept only cash. there is a lot of money laundering that goes on the cash. this is not a simple issue that just has to do with financial inclusion. $500 billion a year roughly are not paid in federal taxes alone and maybe half of that has to do with cash intensive businesses. and drug smuggling, human trafficking. bribes, corruption, arms dealing. buying expensive apartments in trump tower, cash is a fraud issue. but we're not ready to go cashless any time soon. >> the mayor in philadelphia, jim kenny, says 26% of his residents are below the poverty lean. i've read that 7.5% of america is unbanked, to use that expression, data that may surprise some of our viewers. the bottom line is there are a lot of viewers out there who do not have a card in their wallet and cannot participate in this stage in a cashless society.

so what do we need to do for them? >> well, i think we have to do a lot more to promote financial inclusion. if india can afford to give people free debit accounts, the scandinavian accounts are looking at it, we should do it too. a good place to start is people who receive transfers from the government can be given basic debit accounts, the government pays for, puts the money there. >> that would save the government a lot of money that would partly pay for the debit card accounts. eventually, i think we should be giving people free smartphones. >> professor, thanks so much for being here. >> thank you. up next, security breaches and data mining have made us painfully aware of how exposed our private information s. but a law professor used an experiment to prove how we are all revealing secret information every day. i'll explain. here's a hint embedded in this

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wove all been made hyperaware recently how exposed we are online, whether it's security breaches or the selling of our data. are you aware of how much private information you same ply reveal in public and how much someone who overhears it can do with that information? my next guest, a professor recently assigned her students an exercise. the results were shocking.

an assistant professor of law and author of this essay, a creepy assignment, pay attention to what strangers reveal in public. what was the experiment? what did they do? >> yeah, this was an assignment i gave to my students to do over spring break, in part because a lot of them had expressed concerns that people didn't need to worry about their privacy. if hay had no problem if people knew things about them. i want to make them aware of how much pieces people give off if they're not aware of. the assignment was simple. if you are in a private place over break, take a few moments. if you can hear someone loudly have a conversation on a phone call or any identifying information on their clothing or bags or things like that you weren't to eavesdrop or privately listen in, it's

express it to see see what people use google and deannan mize them. -- de-annonemize a person over the course of break and to varying degrees find other types of information about them. >> so i'm sitting in a starbucks or an airport lounge or on mass transit. i'm not going to eavesdrop, i'm going to pay close attention, there is always a loud talker. i will try and figure out who is that person. you are saying with a pretty high degree of reliability, you can do it? >> yeah. i think that the point of that was really just to show not that we don't have privacy army, the nature is changing and how we have to protect it is changing as well.

so with a high degree of certainty, you can find information, there is loud talkers. the study, the little exercise split into two camps, some students heard really private medications people were on, t l telephone numbers, credit card numbers. others were able to -- they would be sitting on a train, someone wouldn't be talking at all, just have a jersey on from high school and they would be able to figure out who that person was. remarkably quickly. >> okay. that's pretty scarey, especially for the person who doesn't say anything and can be outed, according to their identity. what's the lesson for all of us? >> just that you have less privacy and security than you think you do in public places and that basically a lot of

these privacy protections rely on norms that are pretty thin protections. the idea we're not walking around, googling everyone on smart phones everywhere we go. right now, it is up to us to respect each other's privacy, to enforce those things as a society and then to also do our own job protecting our own information a little better. >> give me your favorite anecdote from students or reaction to your "times" he ies >> one of my favorites was the point of the experiment, it wasn't as scary as others, it was clean, there was a student sitting on a subway car and he heard the first name, just a first name of a person, and they were wearing a college sweatshirt, and he googled the first name and the college sweatshirt and the person had a fairly unique first name and he was able to find the person, the

year that they were graduating, their major, and interestingly, student id picture which was the same outfit the person was wearing that day on the train. >> change up the wardrobe is something else we should all do. thanks. very interesting. >> thanks for having me. still to come, your best and worst tweets and facebook comments and the result of today's survey question. have you voted yet? here it is. does white nationalism pose a threat to liberal democracy? go to smerconish.com and vote right away. r clients cookie cutter portfolios. fisher investments tailors portfolios to your goals and needs. some only call when they have something to sell. fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. and while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that's why most of our clients come from other money managers.

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responded to the survey question at smerconish.com. does white nationalism pose a threat to liberal democracy. 11,869 say yes, it does. 84%. yes, it does. 16% say no. continue to vote. i'll leave the poll question up the remainder of the day. here's what else came in during the course of the program. smerconish, you really are a shill for the left pretending to be impartial. that's so ridiculous. i don't even have a cogent response. you may be pissed from one end of the spectrum, somebody else will respond. watch the show. you'll see it is loaded with balance. give me another one. smerconish, so you let it slip, you're a moderate republican, as if we didn't know that already. no, philip kramer, what i said to bill weld is that my political cards are all on the

table, from 1980 when i registered at age 18 through 2010, i was a registered republican and then i left the party and became an independent. everybody knows that. what i said to bill weld was haven't all the more moderate republicans, people like me, left the party? we're not around to vote for him in primaries any more. that was the point, which you apparently missed, which is fine. next, what do we have? really disturbing dialogue with the caller. i don't agree with violence but they have a point sent meant is chilling. trying to find middle ground attempt with bigotry is just about as dangerous as those who commit these atrocities. a phone call i fielded on sirius xm yesterday, here's a snippet. >> he is absolutely not mentally ill. he made a conscious decision to say i'm not going to allow my nation to be taken over by these muslim invaders.

>> that was a self identified steven from new york who was saying look, he doesn't approve obviously of the violence of the gunman in new zealand but the underlying premise of migration and immigration issues were something he thought were deserving of voice. probably a weak summation. here's the point i was trying to make. i was saying the acts of the gunman, indefensible acts of a murderer don't draw support in terms of violence but that the logic of immigration needing to be addressed is what's driving a lot of populism around the globe. we would be mistaken not to acknowledge that. white nationalism is a subset of populism. not all populism is white nationalism, they're not synonymous. i'm saying there's an issue out there that needs to be addressed, not because of the lunatic that killed 49 people but because of people like steven that are motivated at the ballot box. join me for american life in

columns tour in chicago, sold out tomorrow. wilkes-barre on april 29 and nashville april 30. catch us with us on cnn go and on demand. see you next week. saturday march 16th. grateful for your company. i am christi paul. >> i am victor blackwell. we begin with an unprecedented move in new zealand history. out of abundance of caution, religious institutions are closing their doors tomorrow. synagogues in new zealand close for the first time ever. >> this comes after 49 people were murdered at two mosques in christchurch. overnight, the man accused of carrying out the terror attack was in court, seemingly unrepen tanlt.