government responded so quickly with tear gas and live ammunition. thank you to all of you for being part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. aye brian stelter. time for "reliable sources." a look at the story behind the story. how the news gets made, and how all of us can help make it better. a lot ahead this hour. looking a the post mueller media landscape. right wing outlets are warning and the border. left wing outlets are worried about health care. we'll talk about that coming up. plus, a fresh face on the campaign trail with mayor pete

buttigieg. president trump right now celebrating robert mueller's no collusion conclusion. he's celebrating by condemning the press. he's repeating a fox news talking point. you can see it here. faith, he says. but the papers were actually honored for covering russia's real 2016 attack against the u.s. election and for covering trump world's connections to russia. all that was real news. but there's also been an enormous amount of speculation in the past two and a half years about collusion and even worse. there has been a reckoning in the past week about the media's coverage of these issues. yeah, we're still kind of in the dark. remember that headline there. the mueller report is more than 300 pages long, so far we've only seen 101 words. so there's a lot to dissect. i want to do it with four insiders from all points of view about the news coverage.

thank you all for coming on today. alana, let me start with you. you've been reporting on the president's media criticisms and his attacks in the past week. there have been a lot of calls from right wing media for accountability, for apologies. do you think anyone is going to step up and apologize for their coverage of the mueller probe? >> i don't think apologies are necessary. i do think that would look a bit silly. i think reporters, at this point, if they don't recognize a tonal shift is in order after what many, i think, rightfully perceive to be a pretty big mess up in their coverage of mueller's investigation, you know, i think that's an issue. so i think rather than having the media get in an defensive crouch, they should look at the fact that a lot of journalists

when barr's summary came out seemed disappoint. i think that's the tonal shift that will cause america's trust in the media to crater. >> disappointed. jane, do you agree there was disappoint when the summary from barr came out? >> i think somewhat. i think that as journalists, this was an interesting story to cover. you know, it had a foreign policy element, it had kind of the spy craft element that lot intrigued by. you did get the sense that people were weirdly being disappointed they finding out that the president of the united states, as far as we know, had been colluding with the foreign power. >> i think others were relieved not disappointed. relieved there wasn't evidence of a wide ranging conspiracy. yet aren't we seeing, especially from the left, calls to wait for the real full report. i'm worried right now new conspiracy theories are festering in the darkness because we haven't seen the full report. is that something you've seen?

>> i think initially we did see people come out of the gates saying this is good news. this is a reward for america or good news for america and its president that our president and his presidential campaign was not colluding with the russian government. initially, that's what we're seeing. i hope, and i've been saying this from day one, let's not prejudge what robert mueller is doing. let's wait until we get the full report. we have a summary from bill barr, i think we need to wait until we can get the full report out to make a more accurate conclusion as to what happened. initially, yes, i was pleased to see a lot of those in the media the main stream media, conservative and liberal, saying this is good news for the president. we need to continue to focus on that. in terms of anticipating what the full details of the mueller report, i think we still need to, again, wait until we see that. >> and the years before you became a strategies, you were a journalist works in television. i wonder if the television

strategy about the president has been put out his version of the story, put out the trump administration's version of the story, and then in a few weeks we'll see the mueller report. by then his framing will be baked in. >> it will with his base. all along you can travel around this country. his base never bought into the collusion story. they never believed he was involved. they believed exactly what the president said. no collusion with russia. and that is an important for many people to keep in mind. as the barr summary came out, they recognized the fact that, look, there has been no evidence that there was this campaign conspired with russia. they did not coordinate with them. while some of the actions they did might not have been very well thought out. in my view, sometimes it was based on not being very educated on campaigns and things most campaigns wouldn't do. it did not result in anything that should result in criminal

charges. i think that's what many people need to take away from this. >> and to that point, alice, you wrote a column this week that set out to be among the thousands of columns written. the headline says "collusion was a selective delusion." what is your argument here? >> yeah, i mean, i think for many liberals and many in the establishment, you know, especially in the democratic establishment, collusion offered this kind of undue button. this convenient undo button. the pblt that maybe donald trump wasn't i elected, you know, fairly and legitimately and maybe we didn't have to examine some of the problems that happened in the 2016 election. i mean, i think the real problem here in kind of investing everything in the mueller investigation was we took our eye off the real problems in 2016. you know, voter suppression, you know, the fact we had another presidential election where the winner of the popular vote

didn't become president. the huge mistakes that the hillary clinton campaign made, and the mig -- mistakes of the media itself. we in the media focussed on hillary clinton's e-mails to a degree that was unnecessary and, you know, for everyone involved, the mueller investigation was a convenient pivot to say, you know, maybe putin did it and if putin did it, we wouldn't have to focus on the deeper and more challenging problems that we have in america in, you know, in democracy and voting for presidents. >> your message going forward is what? >> i mean, i think it's important to wait for the mueller report, but i still -- i think we should just completely down play, you know, how much we invest in what happens with mueller. i mean, the real problems in america can be solved in the next, you know, we'll look at it in the next two years of campaigning for the 2020 election, and i think, you know, the democrats who are running for president are smart to be

pivoting away from mueller. i mean, many of them didn't invest a lot in talking about mueller because it was, you know, it was this kind of vague and background noise. i think with a lot of americans, you know, don't care. weren't that interested. it's important that russia interfered in our election and for a national security implications and other things, people should focus on that. i don't think it's the big story for the next year and a half and i hope that the media and, you know, politicians kind of pivot away from mueller and all that is in that report. >> and here is the new narrative we're hearing from hosts on fox news. let me play this montage from this week. >> you have been lied to by other networks and the news media on a spectacular level for years and years. >> when will the liberal media apologize? >> completely terrified the population. they should be punished. >> not sure what he means by

punished. not sure what the punishment would be in a free press and open society. is this a kind of preview with the strategy will be for the next 18 months all the way through 2020? >> as i reported this week, you know, the pro trump super pac america first and the republican national committee, there are conversations underway right now about the ways in which that operatives there can use past clips, past tweets, past statements from reporters who spoke about collusion as though it were a given and there were, you know, it was no room for error there. ways in which they can use that if a reporter to say something negative about trump blasting that immediately. and actually, brian, i'm told you're one of the primary targets for that. you might want to look out. i guess what i mean to say is by conflating the media with the elite, trump gets to play into the us versus them mentality that allowed him to coast to

victory in 2016, and i think it's incumbent upon reporters not to take the bait, like i said, get in that defensive crouch and instead do their jobs, report the news, and not let this campaign bait them into one versus the other. >> yeah. look, i know i'm a convenient hate object for a right wing media. i recognize that. and i usually just blow it off. but i think there's something important throughout this conversation that i want to emphasize. something you said sometimes the biggest stories involving the president and the administration they're happening in plain sight. >> right. >> it requires a two yearlong investigation. >> exactly. you know, we could talk about trump's pick for the fed as being, you know, called radically under qualified by both conservatives and liberals. we could talk about what is taking place in puerto rico and how trump has played into puerto rico not receiving the aid it needs. these are things that are happening now. it doesn't require, like, an hbo

series on spy craft or any sort of collusion or a federal investigation to understand that the trump administration is under serving a whole number of americans, including many of the americans who voted for this administration. we should be talking about agricultural subsidizes and the issues farmers are having. we should be talking about the environment. there are a lot of issues we can be talking about that i think are less convenient both for this administration and the media. i think occasionally it turns into a weird tennis match between the media and the trump administration that everyone actually kind of enjoys while there are a lot of issues we aren't talking about that matter to americans who vote. and those who don't. >> yeah. alice, let's take one moment to have a journalism class here. what is the lesson? what is the take away that you would be teaching in this class? >> my take away from this is we can all take a step back from the last two years. whether you're part of politics or you're in the media. let's take this as an opportunity to learn. let's make sure that as a

journalist, having been one before, i subscribe to the contractor rule of measure twice, cut once. as journalist, double check or triple source check your facts before you go to print. oftentimes, and i experience this often in campaigns, a journalist in the rush to beat their competitors, and in a rush to get their story out there online, they put something out there and realize it's not factually accurate and full back. by then it's taken on a life of its own. it's all over the twitter sphere and online and it's stories have been picked up. i think as journalists, this is an opportunity to learn, let's make sure we have our facts accurate and correct on the front end and focus on the things that this administrationmeadministration wants to push. there are positive things to talk about with the jobs and the economy. what happened to infrastructure? >> yeah. >> let me say there's an opioid crisis and things we're doing

for criminal justice reform. i can't remember how many times those were big stories of success this administration was working on and there was justed a nauz m coverage of the mueller report we didn't know the facts on. i think from both sides we can learn. and from the administration side -- >> we say it all the time. less speculating and more reporting. it's hard to put into practice but less speculating and more reporting is a good thing. there were mistakes made but there were tremendous investigative reports out there. there was a lot to investigate. i don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. >> look, both sides. i don't think this president is doing anyone any favors by referring to all the news media as fake news and saying the media is the enemy of the people. that doesn't help the situation. and if they want to talk about the positive aspects of this administration, which there are so many to talk about, then there doesn't need to be tweets about witch hunts and fake news media. so if there is on both sides a little more restraint on one

side with regard to pointing the fingers at the media and, in my view, a little bit fact checking on the part of the media, i think that we'll have learned a big lesson. >> to our panel, thank you so much, everybody, for being here. the only network that apologized is fox news. i'll show you in a moment. i wanna keep doing what i love, that's the retirement plan. with my annuity, i know there is a guarantee. it's for my family, its for my self, its for my future. annuities can provide protected income for life. learn more at retire your risk dot org.

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but in the end, they put their phones down, and watched as nick finally felt part of the team. welcome back. if president trump was watching lou dobbs the other night, he married th -- may have heard that foreigners may kill millions of americans. >> just literally put out welcome wagons. pile them high because, you know, we're going to consign tens of thousands, perhaps millions of americans to their deaths. >> terrifying, right? that's the whole point. it's nonsense but it's scary. you know, the president praised

his fox friends several times this week. he even got on the phone with sean hannity and chatted for 45 minutes and hoped pirro would be back soon. >> you stood witness to the biggest scandal in american history barr none. the attempted coupe of the united states government. this is bound to happen again unless we stop them. the only way to stop them is with justice. true justice. and that's behind the barr's justice. i don't know what to say. if the president was watching "fox & friends" he saw the banner. trump cuts u.s. aid to three mexican countries. the reference, of course, to central american countries.

the network apologized several hours later and said the banner never should have appeared. obviously, that's the case. but i don't know what is going on over there. look, let's talk about what it means for the president to be watching this kind of programming, what it means for him to be getting this information, and what it means for him to have one heck of a week. let me bring in susan glasser. the author of trump's washington column for the new yorker. i think 20 times in the last two years we've heard something about trump's worst week ever. i think it's probably fair to say this was his best week ever, yeah? >> well, there's no question starting with that late sunday afternoon release of the barr letter. he doesn't want us to call it a summary. announcing that mueller had found no -- had not established any reason to proceed on any collusion or conspiracy between trump and russia. trump has been telling us and defining the stakes in this

investigation for nearly two years as no collusion. on sunday, his attorney general said there was no collusion. so, you know, that should have been his greatest week. i think you and i and many other people were struck by the fact that donald trump is still donald trump. win or lose, he's the same public persona, angry, vindictive, and, also, clearly what relieved this week. >> not only does the barr summary come out, barr letter come out, michael navtavenatti arrested. there's a culture war story the president waded into about jussie smollett. all the stories to stoke fires and the president is still angry. he seems really angry >>well, that's right. i called it our president of the perpetual grievance in my new yorker column. and i think it's key to understanding his public persona and his private persona. people who have spent a long time studying the president's biography, his personal history,

have incredible number of stories going all the way back in his career, long predating his entry into politics in which winning was never enough for trump. he often had a habit of over reaching when he went either other mischaractering the nature of his victory, which is something he did right away on sunday when he said he was completely and totally exonerated, which literally the language in the letter said he was not exonerated on obstruction of justice. but, also, just he really -- he takes it personally those who oppose him. and he seeks to want to defeat them. you see him now attacking those who have called for the investigation demeaning the house of the intelligence committee with kninicknames. things that would have been unthinkable in any other presidency. >> we have to remind folks that. that's unthinkable. the president's number of lies this week is shocking by any

standard. and yet he keeps telling the same story over and over again. he was doing it about mueller, he's doing it about the border, as well. i've noticed the divide in the news coverage now. one side is really focussed on the border situation. the other side focussed on trump trying to take away obamacare. these are probably two narratives that will continue in the weeks to come. the existence of fox as a repeter of his narrative, i think those clip i was playing in the intro underscore how powerful it is for him. he has the megaphone. >> that's right. my colleague has done incredible reporting helping to understand this feedback between trump and fox in an almost seamless way it operates. if you listen to the president's grand rapids rally the other night, to me, it's amazing when he starts to call out -- he attacks the fake news media, as you know, quote, unquote repeatedly, he did so in a direct way the other day. blamed them for the greatest political hoax in american

history. but at the same time, he also calls out the fox hosts as if he was actually a part of the fox line up. and i'm always amused by that. he's on a first-name basis with them. he says, well, of course sean and tucker and goes on and on about the fox line up in a way as if he was a paid promoter of the network in his public appearances. >> he fills in as a fox news pr person. he credited the network's ratings which have been high since the barr letter came out. we can put the "washington post" about that. tv ratings being one barometer for trump's success. do you think with these anti-media, anti-journalism messages coming out of fox's prime time line up every day to 3 to 5 million people, is it doing damage to the press's credibility? >> no question. if you just -- it's graphic. you look at the numbers over the press's institutional credibility it has gone down.

this is what predates donald trump as with many of the ongoing political disruptions in our national life. trump is an amplifier and accelerator of those trends rather than an originator. i think that's true for the attacks on the media. and, by the way, trump likes to find things that work for him. he said something revealing the other day along those lines. he said, you know, they like it when you attack the press. and so, you know, is he doing it because it works for him politically? or because it's something he believes. who knows. but, you know, we do know that donald trump is somebody who likes and needs an enemy and from the beginning of his administration, that's been a tactic. there was nobody, right, who was surprised that his response to the mueller findings as reported by barr this week that he was going to attack the media. it means they're conflating, you know, lots of terrific reporting out there by the "washington

post" with every statement and characterization and speculation surrounding the investigation, as well. that's very bad news, i think, for the media. >> right. it's ridiculous but effective. >> it's tactic of right and left. i think you saw some left commentary, as well, beating up on legitimate journalism and conflating it in irresponsible ways. and people, by the way, so eager to over correct. these are complicated subject which is is why i have been awaiting the mueller report for the last couple of years. and i hope that, you know, we're journalists. we vote for as much to be released as possible. thing this case, it's particularly important because the credibility of the conclusions are at stake in this incredibly defied and political atmosphere. there are many disturbing data

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welcome back to "reliable sources." here is a funny headline from the front page of the "new york times." the person, of course, is pete buttigieg. people say buttigieg. he said he doesn't care what you call him. here is what he cares about, though, buttigieg is rising in the polls. they said he's the hottest candidate out there now. and buttigieg has been making the tv rounds. you might have seen him on "real time" or "the view," or

"colbert." how did someone virtually unknown a few months ago get to this point? let's talk media strategy. liz smith is with me. you've been working with mayor pete, as he likes to be called, for a couple of years now. >> yeah. two years right before he announced for dnc chair. >> he's exploring a presidential run. what have you done to raise his profile? >> we started this race and he started this race as a virtual unknown. you know, he's a 37-year-old mayor from the industrial midwest, and those aren't the people that will be on the front page of the "new york times" or featured wall to wall on cnn. but throughout his career, he was open and assessable, transparent leader and it was important for us to be soap, assessable, and transparent with the media and get him everywhere. one problem i see in politics i worked on a lot of campaigns and, you know, you've covered them, certainly, is that there

was a polarization in the media atmosphere and, you know, you see the trend of democrats going to talk on msnbc, republicans going to talk on fox, and maybe cross pollination on cnn. what is important to us is to go and talk to people everywhere. talk to them where they are. he was the first candidate to go on fox news. >> the first democrat. >> yeah, first democrat. >> why the choice? >> we need to be talking to everyone. even if we don't agree with folks on everything. i think it's important to go out and get your message out there and treat people with differing opinions with respect. does he feel it was a mistake? >> i can only speak to our strategy and our strategy is to get him out there everywhere. even with people he disagrees with. >> what are the under appreciated media venues or outlets. i know "the view" matters.

what do you think are important to the demes in the primary? >> pod casts are hot now and i think under appreciated. there's a wiet range. we got him hon the intercept. we got him on "the breakfast club." these things all have very unique different audiences. >> yeah. >> and it speaking to his range and ability he's willing to do it. and i think people give you points for being willing to be creative. we had him on the west wing weekly show. it's not exactly a normal stop for a 2020 potential candidate. >> it reminds me about president trump being available. he's not these days. he used to call into shows. >> yeah. i think if you're someone who is comfortable in who you are. comfortable in your own skin, and that's something that mayor pete is, it makes sense to get out there. people are sick of the bluster in politics. we have the carnival barker in

the white house and on the other side you have people who rely on the tightly scripted poll tested lines. and people are, you know, can read through it. they can see it. and i think what they like about him, he's someone who listens and engages. and he's not running or, you know, not potentially running just to possibly run. he's running because he has a mission and vision. >> there's been a lot of headlines about him rising in the polls. what do you do about peaking too early. do you worry about the press perception he has nowhere to go anymore >>well, i think that's what we like to call champagne problems. peaking too early is better than not peaking at all. what is better is sustaining the momentum.

sure, people in the political bubble have gotten to know mayor pete, but it needs to trickle down to everyone. i really do believe that the more people see him, the more they will like him. >> how do you pronounce his last name? >> buttigieg. >> okay. >> i think journalists are trying to get the hang of it. >> korea. mo -- yeah. most people are not familiar with maltese last names. i think it creates buzz and makes it interesting. he said you have to -- you don't have to pronounce it. pick him out of a line up on a ballot. go >> good to see you. a quick break here and a lack of press briefings.

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example. expected to be name the department spokesperson. she would be placing another fox news personality. ortagus is out at fox. stephen moore is out at cnn, as you know, because he's up for a fed seat. also, former fox news reporter is joining the state department in a key role, and mark shore who was at the white house and joined cnn and now back to the white house. just four examples of the revolving door. even though it does spin around and around, there hasn't been much openness, we've seen. and that's not just at the white house. of course, it has been 20 days since the last white house on camera press briefing. remember these used to be held daily and now they're monthly, if we're lucky. it's not the only place with a lack of briefings. at the pentagon it's been 304 days without an on-camera briefing. why is that? what it going on over there? let's ask barbara star.

barr barbara, i didn't know there was a black out for so long. >> reporter: more than 300 days. the last on-camera briefing by a pentagon spokesperson was last may. last year. and so what has happened here is they have shifted of their own free will in this administration to off camera briefings. we have people who come down and conduct single subject briefings, off camera briefings. the secretary, secretary mattis and now acting secretary will do it when they travel but it's quick. the problem is always the same. there's no spokesman that goes on a podium and subjects themselves to rigorous questioning from a press corps.. any and all questions, it is not happening. and, really, i think what is suffering greatly is the flow of

public information and that's what this is all about. >> yeah. the wars continue but the access there does seem to be restricted. and, by the way, we've seen this at the white house where sean spicer and sara sanders were worried what the president would think of the briefings and they would wear a certain kind of tie. is there something similar at the pentagon? >> yeah. totally. first, you have no civilian political appointee spokesperson because they're afraid of upsetting the president. what happened here, when is the last time you saw a four-star general admiral get on a podium in front of a camera and take questions from the press corps. about what their troops are doing, how capable the u.s. military is. you see them testify about it before congress, but not in front of the press corps.. and, you know, rip the band aid off. it's 100%. we know this. they're concerned about getting cross wise with the president,

and because every day when they come into work, and these are the most senior commanders, they don't know what the president is going to say. you know, a lot of times, off camera, in the hall ways here at the pentagon, you get a sort of shrugging shoulders. what has he done now? literal words that you hear? they don't know what the president is going to say so they're nervous, full of anxiety about going out there and speaking publicly and getting cross wise with him. if they get cross wise with him, they may lose their influence in the decision-making in the national security process so everybody is nervous. everybody is full of anxiety. it's the american public that is not getting information. >> yes. stressful times. and i hope the on camera brief conclusion make a return. barbara, thank you. >> sure. up next here mark zuckerberg in a brand new op-ed saying internet needs new rules. what will they be? is facebook doing enough to stem online radicalization? we'll get into that in a moment. ? how about a car for people who don't play golf?

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online radicalization we saw it again in new zealand earlier this month. every day there's more and more pressure on big tech to account for the consequences of their creations. this week mark zuckerberg is out with an op-ed what he thinks government regulators should do. there have been a lot of elements in the past week about this. about facebook and other tech companies saying they are stepping up to the plate. a staff writer of "the atlantic" is here. she has a new piece about instagram, facebook's instagram being a new home for hate. first, taylor, the news that was announced a couple of days ago, facebook said it's going to ban white nationalism. how do you ban a racist idea? >> they've had a lot of problems with this before. white supremacy was recently banned, too. this is something they promised

to crack down repeatedly on over the past few years. it's hard to moderate this type of content and right now they rely on a huge force of, you know, contract workers to go through a lot of stuff. they say that ai will be able to detect it, but, you know, there's a lot of new nauns in regulating this type of speech and it's ever >> they say they'll ban support for white nationalism, we'll see if they are able to. but you point out there's a lot of nastiness on instagram that's under appreciated. >> there's a big misconception that it's this friendly, nice place. i'm sure you and i you use it to stay in touch with your friends and family. much like facebook, you go to connect with people, and young people go to find their identity, find news information, sufficient like that. but it's growing by the day.

>> when i search the term vaccine, i see anti-vaccine misinformation on instagram. >> you can follow an account that's served to you and instagr instagram's algorithm will try to push more of that content on you. so it's revamping and working it into the recognition algorithm. >> that's what this is about. for folks at home, what does it mean the algorithm radicalizes people? >> essentially what all these platforms do is search more information you're interested in. it's not so much people sear searching out stuff but they're fed ex treemists. >> down the so-called rabbit hole on youtube, instagram or

facebook. it's huge on youtube right now. do you think any of the companies are addressing it. >> i don't think they understand the breadth of the problem. i don't think they realize what they created. this is not the first time people are pointing out these issues. we saw a lot of criticism two years ago, the 2016 election. they've had years to figure it out and need to take it more serious than they are now. >> you can read taylor's piece at atlantic.com. thanks for being here. >> thanks. taking a break and then the news business, hear about a new investment trying to turn the tide right after this. so why act from your allergy pills? most pills don't finish the job flonase relieves sneezing, itchy, watery eyes because they don

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so much, so often on this program and elsewhere have you heard about the troubles of local news. but so much investment is going to the knight foundation has put in $300 million for startups. let's get to it with alberto, he's joining me in new york. what's the goal of this $300 million commitment to try to reshape news? >> there's two goals. one is to reimagine local news in a way that's stainable as a business, a nonprofit. we're experimenting with lots of different things.

but in a bigger way we're trying to figure out how we regain trust. this is the big crisis in democracy in america today, a fundamental lack of trust in institutions. where can you best find trust? in the people you know, the people you're closest to that write the stories that you know -- i'm from miami, so if someone writes about hialeah and homestead, i know they don't know what they're talking about, that news is verifiable in an instinct way. we want to get to the middle, agree on the facts and left the right can interpret it. >> we can say facebook committing $300 million, google $300 million, apple announcing a new service this week. a lot of people blame them for

the problem. you can look at the digital ad dollars, isn't that part of the problem? >> i think they're absolutely part of the problem and they're part of the solution. who knows more, who invests more in technology than these companies do? our investments at the m.i.t. media lab are significant for us, but puny for any company you just mentioned. look at zuckerberg's op-ed talking about what kind of regulation is necessary. google is working at what business practices might work. we're trying to do a little bit of both of those and we're funding the journalism and the legal support for those journalists that will kill a story. >> and it's also essential. how can people find out what you're doing. >> go to kf.org/news.

quick reminder, cnn's siree tricky dig was pre-empted last week, but it continues tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern time on cnn. thanks for joining us and we eel see you right back here this time next week for ""reliable source sources". on offense. a humanitarian nightmare at the u.s./mexico border has president trump threatening to shut the border down. >> i'll just close the border. >> and his administration again takes on obamacare. >> it will soon be known as the party of health care. you watch. >> but what's the republican plan? the president's acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney, responds in moments. and digging in. the attorney general plans to release the mueller report in weeks as democrats defend their criticism of the president. >> i do not think that conduct, criminal or not, is okay. >> but with trump claiming victory --