we have run out of time. chris cuomo is on the border. cuomo "primetime" starts now, chris. >> thank you, anderson. welcome to "primetime" live from hidalgo, texas. this is the rio grande valley. this is the place you need to see. you're going to witness the systemic failure and tragic potential for our immediate future. this is called the crisis but that word is overused and doesn't do the situation justice. we're going to show you what's happening here. it's not easy to see but the only thing harder to realize is what's not happening. shameful inaction. there's a reason for that as well and you're going to find out. the time to see the reality and call for action is now. let's shine a light on what is obvious.

what do you say? let's get after it. >> all right the numbers tell you the story. there's believed to be more crossings in the last month here than in any month in over a decade. as i said, here in the rio grande valley this is the hot spot. right behind us is mexico. it's this weird area where it's north of texas. the authorities say they have never faced the combinations of threats, challenges and federal inaction that they're facing right now. the president's fix is wall them off. cut funds to the countries involved. shut the border. he's threatening to do the last one this week. fencing matters. put that to the side. it's not immoral to build barriers where they are needed. what's immoral is doing nothing but thinking about whether or not to have senses.

-- fences. doing nothing is what is immoral and that's the situation here by our highest leaders. the main threat here is not the people. there are bad guys in the mix. all varieties but the brown menace that the president depicts is a gross exaggeration. well over half the crossers are kids and the people that love them. the real monster here is the system and everyone involved is begging for help. the question is where is it? homeland security is speeding up to help manage the flow but manpower is one aspect of a multilevel lapse. take a look for yourself. here is what happens every day all day here. >> this border is so complicated. it isn't just about whether you feel strongly one way or another about the fence and the system that goes along with it. what your politics are.

no matter what, the people that are caught in the middle are certainly the migrants that are coming because they're getting, you know, manipulated by the smugglers, by the cartels, all the way from, you know, point of origin to destination and then ice agents and border patrol. getting villainized for doing that job. that's a tough one. >> how do you deal with knowing that the people in power could be doing stuff they're not doing? >> we keep reminding our work force that what we protect is not just the border. we're protecting the nation. i tell people all the time. you have a humanitarian crisis that creates a border crisis for

us. this is all being driven by a policy crisis and until we fix the policy crisis, we're going to continue to do that. >> i'm saying the men and women in the job of knowing the reality, do you think that they get what they're sleeping on here? >> yes. yeah there is certainly political jockeying that's going on and they're sleeping on it and ignoring it to some extent and it's sad that we have a work force that's stretched thin. we have to give them relief. having dod resources come in and other agencies support us is helpful but it's not the same as replacing them with a border patrol agent or ice officer or customs office. they're not interchangeable. >> these guys set up so far as guys looking here for opportunity. they were coming through for work.

>> economic migrants. most of these folks that we experienced here along the southwest border are economic migrants. >> if these are women or children whoever they were, you believe if you changed the rules you would change the flow? >> there has to be an adjustment to the policy. you have to be able to retain people longer than 20 days so their case can be heard by an immigration judge or asylum officer so they can make a determination as to whether they should receive relief. >> you guys get hit with the stick all the time. i'll tell you why you want to keep them more than 20 days. to send a message of harshness and let people know to be afraid that they're going to catch you and keep you hate where you are. you're telling me a different story. >> we're not in the detention business. we're security e perts. we apprehend and process.

we have the process and turn them over to the other agencies that are out there. >> it's a domino effect. you can only keep them 20 days. you don't have resources to keep this many people anyways. you have to get rid of them. that's weakness. now catch and release again. that feeds the chance that we should come and it just keeps going. >> it's a cycle. it's played out in 2014. it's playing out again here in 2019 and until we fix the system this is going to continue to be a problem. >> another problem that i don't hear that often is you're worried about them. being able to take care of them and being able to take care of the kids. deal with them when they're sick. being able to give them the things that they need because that means you can't give the care you want to give. you don't have any other choice. >> double the capacity. >> i don't have enough medics or enough to make sure that these folks are getting processed in the 48 hours.

we're keeping people in custody longer. our agents are getting assaulted. potentially could be a liability. even one of the individuals in custody could be assaulted and detention facilities that are overcrowded. these folks just crossed the river. the river is about half a mile. maybe a quarter of a mile south of us. >> obviously they know we're here. >> they turn themselves in. they're looking for border patrol agent to turn themselves in right now so you have this group and another group behind them. and another group. these are unaccompanied children and family. they are not trying to evade. >> i know you have to shut off part of yourself when you do the job. you have a job to do and you have to be professional. i know this breaks your heart. seeing people that have nothing and have come here with nothing. most of them are desperate and all carrying these babies.

how do you handle this? >> i'm a father. i'm a grandfather. somebody needs to do something about this. this goes on each and every day. our officers are dealing with this each and every day and until folks address the situation at the border, it's a not just a humanitarian crisis. it's border security crisis. it's being driven by a policy crisis. it certainly pulls at our heart strings. i'm proud of the work we're doing down here. they're very vigilant and dedicated to the mission. this is tough. >> >> you care about these people. >> most definitely. most definitely. >> you're not a cop looking at perpetrators. >> these folks have done nothing other than cross the border illegally. most are economic migrants. looking for a better way of life.

understanding all of that but they shouldn't have to do it this way. they should be able to apply for some sort of immigration relief in their home country without having to travel you know, 3 or 4,000 miles. i keep hearing that you make a point to go up to kids and say you'll be all right. why is that so important? >> for once, in their journey. this is the first time that they're not going to be exploited. they're not going to be manipulated by a smuggler. they're not going to be forced to pay a bribe. at some point during the route officers are going to make sure that they have clean clothes and they're looked at by a doctor. if they have medical ailments. so we're doing everything that we can in our power to ensure that they're safe. that's all. we want to let them know that they're safe now. >> look, this is just one aspect of the problem. but i hope you take away a coup of things. one, don't demonize cbp.

can police officers make mistakes? people in control. can they abuse the force in those are possible. in the main. they are heart first in the mission. i have seen it 20 years. i have never seen them under durdurress like this. a chief take an opportunity to speak to people in power asking them to do more. that man has been doing this job for 30 years and i watched him with those people and them looking at them. the situation is deplorable. how these people are being kept it's horrible. you'll hear more about it later from rosa flores but it's not about having bad cops on the border. it's not about these people being some brown menace. they are mostly women and kids. we are not a sense away from this being fixed. this is a system that the men and women in congress and in this administration, they know the problems and they're ignoring them. why? they're going to have to answer for that starting tonight.

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it's hard to move past but things may not get better here any time soon and the president's threat to close the border could make it even worse. we have that part from el paso, texas. thank you. >> well the news of the threat is already having ramifications up and down the border where wait times are starting to slow down as they are being moved and relocated to help out border patrol agents in those areas between the ports of entry. we spoke with he is a former border patrol sector chief down in the rio grande valley and in el paso. a former democratic congressman from the area. he spent nearly 30 years as a border patrol agent and he says sounding the alarm that custom and border protections have been doing for the last two weeks is

overblown. he says back in his day that they had far fewer border patrol agents, far less money in the budget. far less resources and were able to process many more undocumented immigrants coming to the u.s. southern border. the peak between 1.4 and 1.8 million undocumented immigrants every year. so he questions why all of this talk of system wide failure and why border patrol agents and immigration officials say they're so overwhelmed by what is happening at the border. he says they should be able to handle it. >> we were able to manage it at the increased influx in the mid 80s. it can be good now for the president of the united states to be threatening and talking about shutting down the border is nuts. that effects people on both sides.

and it would be catastrophic economically. >> there's no question that they have seen big flow today. what we understand is that they have never seen this many categories of need. there's a material difference which is that back then it was mostly mexico. so you had very easy repatriation. it was putting them on a bus and back over the border. now you have so many countries that are a flight away it's not so easy. it slows everything down because of the requirements that are in place to keep people safe. so there's that practicality but we'll let that be argued out. what might happen next, the idea of the impact of a border shutdown, what do you think the economic impact is? the societal impact. >> it's hard to overstate how often and how much these ports of entries and bridges between communities on the u.s. side and mexico side are dependent upon.

they're a lifeline for many border communities. thousands of people go back and forth to go to schools, to go to doctors and their jobs and to see family and friends. the economic impact is staggering. this area by itself. $77 million in trade. in 2018. responsible for 128,000 jobs in the area as well. contributed $18 billion to the gross domestic product. staggering numbers. go town river, that is a huge -- one of the biggest inland ports in the united states. more than 4 million trucks go with goods from shoes, clothes. whatever you can think of. agricultural. through the ports of entry. there are students here that live on the other side. many people here reporting time

spending time on the bridges and trying to get back and forth because of the threat here this week. >> the president wants to show strength, he should take it to congress and start making them work on this. they should be debating what to do here and taking action and justifying why they're not. thank you for the perspective and what could still come to pass. if the border is hit shut down. thank you. i'm telling you we haven't seen people on the border, cbp, dhs, asking for help like they are now. they have been doing it for months. the question is not just what is congress going to do but why are they doing nothing? we're going to get after that question. it's time to speak truth to power, next. i have a vision correction number,

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>> in the commercial break i check social media and twitter. i see how you guys are having your eyes opened by this. you didn't know cbp are the ones asking for help.

that's a taste of the reality they deal with every day. here's the real problem. it's new to you but it's not new to our leadership. the administration knows. congress knows. why isn't anything being done? we have a special guest tonight. democratic congressman. he is a former undocumented immigrant himself. he is an american success story. forget about your left, right or reasonable partisan strife. for someone to come where he was and be where he is now. he's what this country is about at its best and the promise of opportunity. it's always a pleasure to see you. i'm not misstating the facts here. you guys know what is going on and what they have been asking for for months. pair point fair point? >> that's correct. we were there the day before in el salvador to speak to the leadership there. the law enforcement agents

working there. this is a humanitarian crisis. and this is a crisis that for far too long cried out for help. but the children and women crossing the border that need an answer and congress has been silent and complacent about this. >> the reason i asked you to come on is you're not the problem here. obviously this is close to your heart. this is your past. and present. and the future. but your party and the other side have done nothing. i looked at the schedule for hearing this week. all kinds of hearings. not one on the situation here. why? why is nothing even being discussed, let alone done? >> we should have full hearings about this. we have to find out root cause of this migration crisis. we were down, as i said earlier in el salvador.

spoke to the president. 38 year-old president. we have seen a drop in homicide. we met with law enforcement. u.s. law enforcement agents. everybody is upset about the potential that the funding will be cut. they made some progress. a good number of the folks are no longer have el salvador. less than 12% are from mexico. so we have to see the route of these problems and we have to bring resources for these border patrol agents and all the folks there. >> yeah but it's not happening. you have new members of the left filled with passion. and up against trump. that are up against the wall. they fight and they shout but now the real need, judges, more resources, thinking about these rules that allow people to jump the line when they claim asylum even if they enter illegally without demonstrating cause and

there's nothing. there's silence. even separating the kids. in 2014. at least you came. i know you guys came. i'm not blaming you for this. but where is everybody? there's opportunity for your party in this. they know there's inaction on the right. they know that party won't move without the president. where is everybody? >> you're right, chris. we went down there when she lost her life there. she was ill. the border patrol were not equipped to handle that health crisis. when we went yesterday to el paso we saw that there's now some evidence that there's medical services being provided there. it shouldn't take someone crossing the border months and months and months to establish critical fear for going back to his or her country. i think that the resources need to be put right there in place to ensure that that happens rapidly in a relatively fast period of time. that's not happening right now and that's why the crisis, if

the boarder is closed, if the funding is cut it's going to go on. this is a crisis that we have not yet seen the magnitude of it if this happens. if the boarder is shutdown and funding is cut. if the resources don't get to the border as quickly as possible, it will go on steroids. >> listen, my question to you is, how do you shake up your own party? how do you get some people to start arguing about what should happen? debating the rules that little girl losing her life is horrible. i don't know how we don't see more of it. god forbid i hope i'm wrong. but i don't know how you don't see more. they're stretched so thin. there's so many people coming in. it's overwhelmed. nothing is happening. not even a single hearing this week. i don't get it. what can you do? >> we should have hearings immediately about the conditions on the border. full blown hearings with all the ramifications.

listening from law enforcement. listening to advocates for immigrants and people on the ground that have to face this on a daily basis. when the budget process begins we have to consider funding to make sure that people don't have to wait months and months and months. to establish a critical fear goichk back to their country. that people that get sick are attended by physicians. this is the kind of efforts that we have to bring forward. we have to do it rapidly and we have to do it now. >> i want you take on something. please feel free. tell me if you think i'm off. we have known each other a long time. i have a suspicion. i think the democrats are quite because you think -- not you so much. i don't see you as a bad guy. you have been fighting for this your whole life. but your party, i think they think trump owns this and they want to be quite and watch it fester and they want to say this is on him.

a fence didn't get it done. look at all these kids. he owns this because that's why they're so quite. otherwise it doesn't make sense. you have young women and men that just got elected, mostly women, into the congress. they want to fight about everything. they want to fight the big fight. full of passion. but not this. on this they're quite. do you want to call the wall immorale fine. nancy pelosi did that. doing nothing about this is immoral. i don't understand why the party is quite. -- quiet. help me understand. if it's not the cynical explanation that i have? >> there's trepidation on both sides. the white house and republicans they want to fan the flames of fear and on the other hand, our side of the political spectrum may think that perhaps this is something that doesn't poll well. it's a crisis. we're a government. we should address it. we need comprehensive immigration reform. nobody is talking about that. the dreamers and tps recipients -- >> because you can't get it done.

>> we have to get it done. otherwise it will continue. >> you have the men and women keeping us safe screaming out to you guys help us, help us, help us. the cbp guy, they go up there and they say help us, help us, help us and nothing happens. now you're going to do comprehensive reform? i don't see how if you can't address something so obvious how you're going to attack something so complex and subtle. >> we need to do the little things first. you're right. we met with the fbi and law enforcement in el salvador. they are doing great things there. they don't want the funding cut. we have to make sure that the border patrol gets the resources they need to treat these folks humanely. not under a bridge. where some were housed for several days. we saw that location. we need to do fundamental things. we need to get to the root cause.

ultimately we need immigration reform. >> there's no worse message than if people start getting hurt and abused. on our watch this way. because we failed to act. he's been living this problem and advocating for it. i have no problem going after people about this but i brought you on not to blame you but to beg you to talk to your party about seeing this situation for what it is. i'll say the same thing to the other side. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> i appreciate your ear. >> thank you for shedding light on this at the border. you have to go down there to see what's going on and i think that your reporting will shed some light that many people are not aware of what's going on down there. >> that's the job. thank you. we'll follow up with you. part of the mystery here. i don't get it. you heard my suspicion about why the democrats watch this. you have to fix this.

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she is overwhelmed. too many people. too many kids. now with the government turning kids and families free.

they have to. they're overcapacity and they have nowhere to put them. 2,000 were released in this area already. so now the shelter is bursting. i want you to hear what she thinks about this and what is going on and i want you to hear from the people inside that shelter. here it is. >> why do you think more are coming now? first of all, do you believe that more are coming? do you believe the big caravans being organized and all the kids we're seeing now, do you believe it? there's more kids in bigger groups than you have seen? >> there's a lot of people arriving every single day today. i see them. why, i don't understand why all of a sudden. a couple weeks. they almost all started coming. it's never happened before. >> did they tell you why now. >> they only say they're here because of their country.

situations are difficult. it's almost they were encouraged to come. >> is he here to work or asylum. >> he wants to work but if he gets asylum he's willing to ask for asylum. >> why did he take his kid if it's just to work? [ speaking foreign language ] >> it's what we were talking about. if he comes here with his son he thinks he's allowed to stay. >> he thinks he's allowed to stay. who told him that? [ speaking foreign language ] >> so this is word of mouth? >> the smugglers are telling them you bring your kid you can get in.

>> the kids is the hardest part. they don't understand the situation that they're in. they don't understand. what they mean so some people on one side. and the other side. they're just kids. >> they're just kids and they're suffering. they have gone through so much. we must bring that smile back to their smile and to their hearts. so they can have a right to be safe. >> like any other kid. >> sofia. hola sofia. >> 2 years? >> wow. 6 and 2. boy oh boy. mine were that size like yesterday. now have you been having trouble in here? rival gang factions that want to fight? >> not at all. >> people hurting? >> we have been here for five years and of the 150,000 plus,

200,000 people that have come to our doors, not once have we called the cops to say we can't handle it or there's something going on. never. >> nuns are so tough. as a catholic boy myself. i always feared the nuns. never the police. are you worried that the government is overwhelmed and they don't have what they need to deal with the flow. thank god for you but there's not enough. if he closes the border and the president says we have to stop it right now, there's too much, we can't handle this, are you worried about what that would mean? >> of course. we are a community right here next to mexico. we live together. if you close the border so many things stop and it effects everybody. it doesn't make sense. we have families on both sides

of the border. people are saying what do you mean we're not going to be able to go back and forth. it's our society and how we live here. >> they want their mother. >> how long have they been here? >> yesterday. [ speaking foreign language ] >> he'll be here until tomorrow. >> >> one of the things here is you enter illegally but you are not an illegal thing. that's one of the things that we're struggling with. >> that's important to know that. >> many people do not agree with what i just said. >> but it's true. a human person cannot be illegal. you enter because you obviously want to be able to have opportunity to find protection so you're asking to enter through the points of entry and they don't seem to allow you to

enter the point of entry so you want to ask for an opportunity to be saved and so that's what most of these families are here for. >> what is your hope for all of these people? >> that they are safe and that people treat them with respect in the process of determining why they're here and whether they should be here or not. >> you know what the argument is. you heard it all of your years doing this is that you want to come, come the legal way. come the right way. you did this. you put yourself in this situation. you put yourself in this situation. what do you say? >> well, if we want them to come the legal way -- >> they just won texas tech. >> we must build capacity at the points of entry so people can actually come in. if you go to the border you'll see many families waiting to try to cross over and ask for asylum the legal way and they wait for weeks if not months already. so we're not really providing them that option.

>> you know it's interesting -- she's not saying that everybody has to come in. there's law and there has to be a right way or a wrong way. the system is broken right now. you saw that man. i can't tell you how many people say i want to work but if i can't i want asylum. that allows you to jump the line. you can enter illegally. you ask for asylum and you wind up ahead of the people waiting that have gone the legal process. it doesn't make sense. congress knows this. they're doing nothing. you saw somebody that was instrumental. in helping us understand what's going on. you saw rosa flores there. she knows the area. she grew up near here. her family understands the connection to mexico and we got to see something together that you won't get to see. a place nicknamed the icebox. and rosa is going to tell you what it's like in there for the people that are detained and the people that have to watch them. you have never seen anything like it. stay with us. menew infallible full weards concealer by l'oreal.

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they let us in. no cameras because of privacy concern. but it is a place that it's probably better that people don't see it. it would be tough to accept it as a reality. >> it would be. we've seen photos of this because of the surge of migrants in 2013. >> they look like kennels you people being held in kennels. can see women and children with bloodshot eyes. tears rolling down their faces. a lot of them we noticed were closer to the heater because it's one heater because it's very cold in there. there's men holding young infants wrapped in blankets and you could see the pain in not only the migrants but also the border patrolmen and one of the things that you and i have been talking about because in this

case it's not just the migrants that are suffering but it's the border patrol agents. they have been asking for help. >> they have been villainized. they want to keep them like this they want to demoralize them. and then you listen to the rhetoric of the president and it starts to fit together. treat them harshly. disrespect them. they won't come back but they don't want to keep people like this. >> they don't. it hurts them. >> many people have a similar experience. you're born in mexico and your family knows both realities. you look at the people and understand them. other than the name and face. they're begging for help. i'm talking about the authorities. >> the people are begging for help of course. what's so frustrating and you know this because you have been covering this for so long we see the politicians get the photo ones. -- ops. put up the photo op of every

politician that's come here. we get the stats from the federal government and these officers have been asking the federal government to do something. these officers have been asking the federal government. what did he tell us today? we need first of all resources so that we can deal with the issue now and then a change in policy to make sure that this isn't going to happen again. >> who gets in and how they get in. i'll tell you what, i've never seen anything like it. i've seen much worse than this thank god but where this is headed. i've never seen the people in charge, an extension of our government, looking backward their leadership and saying, you have to help us out. where are they? where are the people on the left that want to be loud and proud and fight the fight against trump? this is your opportunity. and where are the people on the

right that say they care about this. we saw today my fear is it will not like that for long. kids are going to be kick. people are going to be angry and they'll turn on the people that are keeping them there. >> it's not just the immigrants but the u.s. citizens, the hard working men and women of dhs working day in and day out. >> six days a week. >> some of them getting teary eyed talking about working and trying to help migrants. >> 100%. thank you for helping me. i literally would not have understood what was going on. thank you. so there is no argument here.

there should be no sides. as dora the explorer taught us, she has to work together in a situation like this. it's not happening. i'm going to layout what should now be painfully obvious to all of you. then the disturbing part, everything that we told you tonight, the administration has known it for months and have seen it all. so what i hope is our collective closing for those in power. next. billions of mouths. billions of problems.

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i thought it was an april fool's joke when i first looked at the schedule for hearings in congress today, there's nothing listed for the entire week that deals with what's happening here. what you have seen for yourself. all week. why is there no urgency? 2014, obama administration, they had the unaccompanied minors. we remember those pictures. people panicked. overcrowded. p politicians flocked. no lessons were learned.

the stories haunted us. rightly so. people in power said no more. what about now? this is worse. more people, more challenges, more danger, more distress and yet this isn't flooded with media. this isn't flooded with politicians pumping their fist demanding to do something. where are they? they care right? compassionate conservatives. the new left that rail against this president. where are you now? a nun, a border chief, a mother and a child all have the same message for you. do something. if it's about more fencing, loud voices. debate. forced action. an emergency declaration. the president is on scene. the same men and women who were with him then are literally begging for action, begging for

attention now. they're not asking for like bigger guns. they're asking for help to treat these poor people with care and compassion so they can have a decent place to keep them and give them medical care. don't think for a second that the people protecting us on the border like to abuse migrants. i've never seen anyone get an ounce of joy out of doing the job they're forced to do right now. that's not the main threat. it's kids and families. these men and women have to do both. they can't do their job. they're begging you for help. it makes no sense. for the democrats there's opportunity here. if you want to oppose trump and

show you have a better way to deal with this then do it and do it now. you want to call building walls immoral. what about doing nothing in a situation like this? what do you call that? for people on the right, i get it. once you stop talking about fencing you don't want to talk about anything with this. what can people that see situations like this and see that you do nothing, what can they do to you in the primary? think about that. they say i love my brothers and sisters and i took an oath. didn't all of you in congress take an oath? didn't the president, those in the white house, aren't you supposed to serve our interest? didn't you take an oath to something bigger than yourself? how do you explain not doing anything about what is so painfully obvious. not a single hearing on the calendar.

you can pass new rules. temporary rules. you can overt another layer of this crisis. coming illegally and then claiming asylum allows you to jump the line for people that wait the right way and you think they're going to keep doing that. what's wrong with keeping families together longer than 20 days if you have the right places to keep them? debate it. our army can build up tent cities. they're not here, they're not doing it. why not? why isn't the emergency declaration that the president insisted on legal or not, why isn't it being used to marshall assets for the wall? it is. why state's exhibit it being used to marshall assets for this? it isn't. why? i don't see how tragedy is overted. this isn't a natural disaster. it's man made. closing the border is a

fundamental weakness for the needs of people coming across and the needs of the people meeting them at the border as well. if you want people to be treated better for kids not to be traumatized then do something. if you respect our law enforcement and the rule of law, do something. there's so much need. so many gaps, you almost can't go wrong politically. there's nothing but opportunity for a politician to identify the right thing. the only mistake is the decision to do nothing and that is a mistake that too many in power are making tonight. thanks for being with us down here in texas. unfortunately, i think you're going to see a lot more people covering this situation because it doesn't get any better. cnn tonight with don lemon starts right now. >> you're right on the money. politics, politics, politics, chris. these are people's lives and they're playing politics with it from the very top to the folks that are our law