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have knowingly participated in this scam. wolf. >> the scandal continues to expand. bryn in boston, thanks for the report and to our viewers thanks for watching. you can follow me on twitter and instagram @wolf blitz pepper erin burnett "outfront" starts now. >> outfront next breaking news democrats officially demanding six years of president trump tax returns. moments ago the president responding. also breaking this hour, the fbi now investigating the security breach at mar-a-lago. looking into whether it was an espionage attempt by the chinese. fbi now in this. and joe biden breaking silence, speaking to the camera is it all but certain now he has decided to run? let's go out front. and good evening i'm erin burnette. outfront tonight president trump making it clear he is not handing over his tax returns. this after the chairman of the powerful house ways and means committee juft an hour ago
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formally requested the six years of the tax return. they have give and delinquent 7 days. president says i'm under audit, translation, no way. >> mr. president, the chairman of the democratic house ways and means committee moments ago asked the irs for six years of tax return zblos is that all? >> that's all. >> oh. usually it's ten. i guess they're giving up. until such time as i'm not under audit i would not be inclined to do that. >> okay. not inclined to do that. this is the letter that just came to the commissioner of the irs. chairman richard neil from the house ways and mean asking for trumps business and personal tax returns. chairman neil says the request is part of his responsibilities. lauren fox is outfront live at capitol hill. after getting the letter she broke the story first. the chairman has been handling this carefully. now putting in out there, and starting what's going to be a big war.
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why now? >> well, erin, that's right. the day after the election i went up and i interviewed richard neil. he told me then he planned to do this. that was back in november. of course once democrats took the majority in january he had a case to build. they expect that this will go to the courts. therefore they need to an air sealed tight case when it comes to requesting the tax returns opinion that's why it's taken so long. we have been asking members on that committee, many liberal members getting a little frustrated with how long it was taking their chairman no request the tax returns. but, you know in this letter he had very specific reasons why he wanted the information. he said in the letter, quote, consistent with its authority, the committee is considering legislative proposals in conducting oversight related to our federal fax laws, including but not limited to the extent which the irs audits and enforces the federal tax laws against a president. now, there is a program at the
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irs where essentially they audit current sitting presidents. now the president already said he was under audit long before he took office in the oval office. but in is a formal process for all mts. richard neil saying i need to know more about that process to know if we need to codify it into law. we need to know what's happening erin. >> thank you very much. let's go to democratic congressman lloyd doing et on the house ways and means. good to have you with us. >> thank you erin. >> you took your time and you you are striking now when you think you've got what you need. what are you hoping to find? >> well, after two years of republican cover-up of these and the many motions i made in the committee and three long months in the new congress i'm pleased the request has been made. we have responsibility to ensure the integrity of our tax system,
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evaluate what happens in the tax legislation and actions inform administration. s in long overdue. i would have liked it to be earlier and broader in scope. but i think this is a very good beginning and i salute chairman neil for his thoroughness and care in may go the request. >> this could be huge. i want to play again what the president just said to reporters and basically saying, no way to you guys. he is going to fight it. let me play it again. because there is something important in here. >> mr. president, the chairman of the democratic house ways and means committee moments ago asked the irs for six years of your tax returns. >> is that all? >> that's all. >> usually it's ten. i guess they're giving up. until such time as i'm not under audit i would not be inclined to do that. >> you know, look, he is saying he is being audited. what i'm focused in here is his surprise you guys aren't requesting ten or more years. we have the information we have learned from taxes, a leaked
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return from 2005 which would be outside your range. showed he paid $38 million in taxes on more than 150 million in income. tax schemes to avoid paying taxes was from a massive "new york times" analysis. but all of that predates what you are asking for. are you worried you didn't ask for enough? the six years you are asking for he was planning to run for president in that time. >> yes. as you know in the legislation that's peaced the house the people act, it specifies a ten-ier period and it specifies businesses where he is a principal orion. this is more narrow as to the number of witnessens businesses and length of time. it doesn't mean that's the last request. but i think the chairman carefully tailored in request to make it easy for the treasury department to comply with the 100-year-old statute. when secretary mnuchin came in front of our committee i asked
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him what part of shall does he need legal advice on? it requires really a ministerial duty by the internal revenue and service and the secretary. you mentioned the audits, erin, this is an important point. we have the richard nixon experience. very similar situation. the irs at that time actually praised nixon. but when we got the information at the ways and means committee, my predecessors there, it turned out he owed almost half a million dollars in taxes. that's when he asked the committee to look to determine whether he was a crook. he ended up having to pay more taxes. in psa review not only of his action but of the internal ref gnaw service to ensure they've been doing their job. >> when you mention complying, though, the treasury secretary steven mnuchin, obviously trump's treasury secretary overseeing the i say. he makes the call. you did ask him if he would comply. i wanted to play a quick part of his response. >> right. >> i'm not aware of there's ever
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been a request for an elected officials tax return but we will follow the law and protect the president as we would protect any individual taxpayer under in re rights. >> which was a fancy which of saying he is not going to do it. i mean the irs website says the law -- generally prohibits the release of tax information by an irs employee. do you have any expectation of secretary unusualen will comply. >> i support that law completely. that's part of the law that authorizes us to request these returns and says that they shall be provided. yes, mr. mnuchin is mr. double talk. he is about as straightforward as our attorney general mr. barr is on the mueller report. the emphasis there was on him protecting the president. he has a statutory duty and if he does not comply our committee needs to take further legal action. >> will you do? you have a tight date here you know they're not meeting it. it's next we can.
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you're not giving them much time they're going to flaunt you. what are you doing then? >> they've had plenty of time in that same hearing where i asked mr. mnuchin, he indicated he had some exchange and conversation was chairman neil about this. they've been aware of this for a long time. now they finally have the message. >> yes. >> it's time for them to fulfill the ministerial duty and deliver the returns. if they don't we need to take prompt legal action. >> mr. trump obviously can put his money through a lot of ways other than the personal return. that's why you requested business returns but he has four hundred different companies. you requested eight. why those eight? are you sure those are the right ones. >> no i'm not i would have preferred to request more. he has about 50 oh such companies in his financial disclosure form. i think what were selected with the five companies most involved in the trump organization plus three golf courses. it's a good beginning. and it may be that in a thorough
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review of them we will find the needed of other returns. i should make clear the fact we get the returns doesn't mean we will be broughting them on the program or the front page of the "new york times." we will honor the president's privacy, review them carefully with experts before making any decision on whether they shall be released to the congress and the public. i think he is owed that. but he owes a responsibility to the american people to comply with what the law is. >> is congressman doggett i appreciate your time. thank you. and i want to go to our analyst glor gloria borger. i suppose they could go broader. but what do you make of it? they have chosen to do it. the president said no way. and here we are. >> this first of all shows you the power of the majority. this is something the democrats have been talking about a long time. but what i think congressman
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neil did is make a very narrow legal argument that he and the democrats believe will stand up in court. and they say the irs is required -- they don't need a subpoena -- that the irs is required to give them this information, and so they said look, we are trying to look at this. and this is a contrived argument in a way because they wanted to make it narrow -- you are required to give us this information because all presidents are under audit. and we don't know what standards you use for presidents when they are under audit. you know, do you look at their businesses? do you just look at their stated income? and we want to codify how you look at presidential tax returns, because we don't really know. that's the narrow argument. and they believe. >> yes. >> obviously this is going to court. but they wanted it stand up. >> for sure. obviously we'll see.
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because if they get it and are able to get more this is huge, right. it's hard to understate the importance. >> absolutely. >> it comes to the power of the majority is so important. the house judiciary committee approving a subpoena for the full mueller report. what happens there next? >> i think this is -- could go to court. i think what they were doing was essentially saying to barr you better deliver because otherwise we're taking to you court. so it's another area in which the democrats are saying, you know, we are not lying down. we believe in ought to be released to the american public. and, you know, congressman nadler said, look i'm not sending out the subpoena today. but it was a shot across the bow to barr saying we are putting pressure on you here to do what you need to do which is reel. >> we're ready to revel. gloria thank you. >> sure. >> and next breaking news, the fisher now investigating the the security breach at mar-a-lago. we are learning more -- much more about this tonight.
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investigating the serious security breach at president trump's mar-a-lago. and official telling cnn they're looking to see if it was espionage attempt possibly by china. after authorities say they took in the chinese woman actually now in jail ton for trying to lie into the president's resort. he was there that day. prosecutors say chinese passports, a thumb drive with malicious software and four cell phones were among items found on her. she is behind bars ton. president trump though moments ago saying he has no worries. >> i'm not concerned at all. i have -- we have very good control extremely good and getting better. i think that was a flouk situation. the result is they were able to get her. and she is now suffering the consequences of whatever it is she had in mind. >>. shimon is outfront. shimon, it's incredible what's happening and now learning the fbi also involved. what else do you know. >> yeah and with the fbi involvement it makes it more serious.
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the secret service handling the criminal aspects of this case. the trespassing, lying to them about what he was doing there, the allegations, that's what they're dealing with. the fbi here has a bigger concern. and really essentially what we're told is they want to see if she was sent here by anyone, specifically it would have to be the chinese, whether she was coming here to act as a some kind of spy orr intelligence asset on behalf of the chinese. and that's the big concern here. the malware, right we talked about this last night, erin. this malware is i think what's causing folks concern. was there- dsh was it on they are thumb drive to be delivered into perhaps a computer system into the system at mar-a-lago? and that's sitcom that the fbi certainly is going to look into. the other thing we learned from a court proceedings a few days ago in her initial appearance, prosecutors there said she had no ties to the united states. she has no connections for the u.s. she had no connections to florida. so certainly more questions that need to be asked more mystery here as to exactly what she was
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doing there, how she got to florida, all those things is what the fbi is going to try and figure out, ehn. >> you know, thank you very much shimon. all of this concern because in part the reason she got so far in getting into club was because of the last name xiong and someone else a member of the club has that name and they kept letting her through which is scarey in and of itself that they would do that. outfront now miami hermd reporter alex darity former assist secretary for the department of homeland security. and jail gallonio. alex you've been doing reporting. your reporting there was investigation underway. they were worried already looking at chinese operations targeting the president and mar-a-lago and now this arrest turbo charge the probe. >> that's the key, this investigation was ongoing before the arrest over the weekend. this is something that the fbi -- an fbi-led investigation has been going on for some time
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before even initial reports of potential chinese influence and interaction at mar-a-lago. in raises concerns of an ongoing attempt at mar-a-lago to potentially gain access to the president, his family, or the inner workings of the club. >> james, look you heard the president. he has no concerns. but this is -- this is serious stuff. you got the fbi involved. >> so to shimon's report and alex's reporting to their point, let's understand the lanes here. the secret service handles the president's immediate security. the fbi has a list of priorities. number one is preventing the next terrorist attack on u.s. soil. the number two out of 10 priorities for the fbi is to protect america from foreign intelligence provisions and espionage. now to not think that they were nopt already looking at in place lunacy.e beginning would be i mean this is something that, you know, yes, franklin dell know roosevelt had warm springs. barack obama had the kenwood residential area in chicago.
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and george bunner bush had the crawford western white house in texas. those were residences this presents a member because mar-a-lago has a membership base and it is open at times to the public presenting a entirely different security concern for the secret service and fbi. >> so juliette, part of the thing is what she -- i want to get to the malware in a second. but what this woman was doing. we have audio from her today. here she is and everyone can judge for themselves her english. and that's highway ask you to listen to because this is important. >> yes, please, translate thank you so that it would be more clearly understanding chinese than in english. >> okay. mar-a-lago staff, joult, said that they first gave her access to the property on saturday do you to a potential language barrier issue. so broken english. but in the criminal complaint secret service agent very
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explicitly says they spent time with her and talked to her and quote she exhibited a detailed knowledge and ability to converse in and understand even subtle nuances of the english language. so this not speaking english well appears to be a farce. >> right she is a fraud and not some innocent chinese woman who happened to see an advertisement about come meet the trumps at mar-a-lago. she is playing for someone. and we don't know if it's a government entity, someone testing the system. and that's key here is the that someone was testing the system. and just going to james' point. i want everyone to know that was a choice by the trump administration regarding the status of mar-a-lago. in other words, we have two kinds of facilities when we talk about security. one is a secure facility. so think of the white house, or the president's home. and then the other is what's called a suite to facility.
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that's one where there would be a vip and you can swoep for the metal deeks we can't do the background checks like entering the white house. that was a choice and that set the security conditions for everything at mar-a-lago and it explains why the secret service last night essential through the white house unthe bus in their explanation saying we didn't set the standard. that came from mar-a-lago or -- or trump directly. that this would only be a sweeped facility and someone test to do. and we know she is not the first. >> and in terms of the malware here, which alex was the first to report, she had the cell phones be james, malware. what could the malware be? someone was saying you go in on the wireless network on the inside of a building and do bugging. >> whether or not she wanted to steal something or whether or not she wanted to infect the computer system and shut it down. that's part of the cyber concern the fbi has looked at.
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in a criminal investigation you are looking for information or allegations to open up a criminal probe. counterintelligence is different. and looking at this the way the fbi would, it just seems to ham handed. now to juliette's point, was in something where the chinese would have sent somebody in to do something like this and probe to see what layer they could get through. obviously the secret service is the inner most circle but mar-a-lago, the employees that work there control access on the outside. >> and alex, you are talking about the president of the united states has spent about one in every fewer days of his presidency at mar-a-lago or other trump properties, also clubs like this one,right, wsh o where you have -- you have membership lists, et cetera. 231 days. okay. that's pretty stunning. we all remember at mar-a-lago when north korea launched a missile. and he was in the dining room all the people were there, right. everyone is taking pictures with their cell phone camera was on
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looking at the top secret data, classified information and the cell phone is on. i mean it's pretty stunning, alex. >> yeah, it's stunning and interesting. it gives a lot of opportunities obviously with all the different events held at mar-a-lago for hundreds of people to potentially get access either to the president or at least close to the president leaving potential vulnerabilities for -- especially foreign nationals to get access inside the facility. i know you mentioned a confusion about the last name, for example, and fortunately, we heard a mar-a-lago employee raise questions once she got past the initial screening. and that led to her unraveling when the stories didn't add up because she was there for an event not on the schedule. there was an employee there recognizing that and that ultimately led to the secret service apprehending her. >> which is pretty shocking. how many people didn't before that? right. someone finally did. but i would say the emphasis is on the word finally. juliette, the question is could the president's top secret
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meeting ohs information he is looking at, classified, be compromised at mar-a-lago. >> absolutely. i mean -- whether it's the picture of north korea, the surveillance -- the capability of surveilling in president and getting information. we know his phone is not secure. that's been reported on. that's not the problem. in goes to what trump just said which i found so interesting. trump talked about the security breach in the context of i, in the context of him, that he was okay. that you know this was about him. it's not about him. this is about the united states' safety and security, about american security interests. and it's his failure to see that and to set the conditions of what security is like at mar-a-lago, which is it's a commercial place, a place for business, rather than it's a place that has america's greatest secrets. >> thank you all very much. and next joe biden speaking out about his treatment of women.
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come forward to say they this uncomfortable interaction was the former president vice president. biding saying he will be more mindful of cha he calls changing social norms in a video that makes it chlorhe is running. >> i've never thought of politics as cold and anti-septic. i've always thought about connecting with people. shaking hands, hands on the shoulder, a hug. encouragement. and now carb- and now it's all about taking selfieing together. social norms have begun to change and shifted. and the boundaries of preting personal space have been reset. and i get it. i get it. i hear what they are saying. i understand it. and i'll be much more mindful. that's my responsibility. in the come month i expect to be talked to about a lot of issues and i'll a always be direct. >> up-front now jeff zeleny. jess mcintosh and communications director for hillary clinton
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campaign. and maria cardona. and jeff let me hone in for a few seconds and the last few years. he says now i've adjusted to this and now i have other issues because i'm running. >> that confirms what we've heard from aides and friends and donors he is undeterred and he is on course to likely form the candidacy at the end of the month now told even maybe early may. this is not going to change his plans to run for president. but i do think it changes a lot of other things. it makes clear this is not the finalward. i talked to several advisers and friends again. and they said he wanted to reclaims his railroaded and explain his humanity. which he is trying to do that. no question it's not the final word. this will be part of the sound track of his campaign. it will be brought up at debates and other things by maybe voters. maybe rival candidates. maybe all the above. >> all right, jess, did he get the tone right, changing social norms. >> i was disappointed that he
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put it on to changing social norms. paternal behavior towards women in a workplace setting has been making women uncomfortable for generations. the only social norm around that that has changed is that men now listen to us when we say that out loud. that's the only social norm that's changed here. he didn't apologize. he didn't apologize to the women. >> no. >> who he made uncomfortable. i thought that was lacking. and it bothered me more because of monthsly the way he handled his role in the anita hill hearings where he said over and over again i wish i could have done more. i wish i could have done something. he was in charge of the hearings. so he seems unwilling to take responsibility or discuss his own role in either of those cases. and i think that's what women are waiting to hear from him. >> i mean, maria there was no apology there. he did say social norms have
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changed and what he did was about connecting with people. let me play the operative clips again. >> i've always tried to make a human connection. i've never thought of politics as cold and anti-septic. i always thought about connecting with people. always thought governing and life is about connecting with people. >> physically, maria. >> well, i think that's what he said in his video, that he understands he did wrng. i have a slightly different take than jess. i think he struck the right tone in that if he acknowledged, which he had not before, that his behavior did make women uncomfortable. he put aside the i did it innocently and inokayously which i do belief he did and focused how his behavior and interactions with women made them feel. i think he also tried to explain why he behaved that way. a lot of people knowing him well
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know that he is very touchy feely. and that he doesn't mean anything malicious by it. at the end of it i also liked how he said it's unthinkable i would not be able to change my behavior, understanding moving forward what this means. and he said i will. i will. i thought it was very candid and honest. and frankly, i think in true joe biden form. i don't think this is the end of it. i agree with jeff. he is going to continue to get questions on it. and it will all depend on how he answers those. and it's up to the voters and women what they think about that. >> and so, jeff as you point out you've got voters, debates, townhalls. it's coming up. okay. but one person you didn't mention. is this person. >> our former vice president -- he is -- i was going to call him i don't know him well. i was going to say well to the world, joe. are you having a good time, joe?
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i said general, come here, give me a kiss. i felt like joe biden. >> he loves it. >> he loves it. and this is yet the latest example of the president trying to play in the democratic primary. he has been waiting for this. he is doing this as any turn. that was last night. he'll do it again. the question is of course the behavior from president trump should be pointed out but it did not cost him the election at all. in standards are always different. so when anyone -- i guess it's interesting to see the former vice president's response to that. so far anyone who has gone up against president trump and gotten in the mud with him if you will has lost. we'll see how he responds. but the president -- president trump wants to make this part of the issue. i'm not sure that he hurts the vice president -- former vice president a's case he actually may make him more sympathetic and remind you know what joe biden did is nothing at all compared to. >> that's right. >> what the president was on tape doing of course in the "access hollywood" tape. >> you never want to get in a
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game of comparing on these things. i mean it's dicey, right. just here is the question. it's going to come down as jeff says whether voters care, whether women voters care, younger voters care. and we don't know. >> inches at this point it's very early. this is certainly not -- i think the way that he would want to begin his presidentialle campaign. the reason why it matters it's not just i find in behavior icky. i don't love it whenland o'er men do this to me in a workplace. if you are running for president you are running to be responsible for rights and freedoms and in many cases our bodies. you have to be payable to hear women. you have to be able to hear the concerns and respond in a really meaningful way. i'm hopeful we are move in that direction. >> maria, jeff said that biden is -- we had heard by the end of april and now jeff said it could be early may. we don't know. i got to say for one set on doing it, i mean the guy has a
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all right. breaking news. "the new york times" just reported that some of robert mueller's investigators believe their report is far more damaging than president trump nan the attorney general bill barr made it out to be .according to the report in the nocturias which as i said is just coming out now as we read through special counsel investigators wrote multiple summaries of the the report. they i guess wrote the multiple summaries. and some team members believe barr should have included more material in the four-page memo than he did. that memo of course you remember stated that quote while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime it also does not exonerate him. that was of course referring to obstruction ever justice charges. according to the times, officials declined to say why the findings are potentially more damaging for the president. all right. juliette time is back. former assist stet is the secretary for department of homeland security. and harry sandik joins us me
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former assist attorney for the southern district of new york as this breaks. juliette what do you make of this? we should note, we don't know how many have the feelings. we know there were 19 lawyers. 40 fbi investigatorss. we don't know if it's one or 20. we have no idea how many have the feelings. what's your take? they say they failed to adequately portray the findings. >> it's more than one because "the new york times" has it sourced with more than one. i think it comes down to four words, the four words that we all wondered what it meant. does not exonerate him. what was behind that language? that led mueller to conclude that the investigation does not exonerate the president, and that was left open by the attorney general's sort of weak summary. and so presumably that's what the focus on. and the second take away is that mueller's team anticipated at
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least some disclosure of the executive summaries or the summaries. and they protected them from any sort of releasing of classified information. barr did not release them. these people do not work for the department of justice. many back at their law firms. they can be subpoenaed. they will testify. >> and james, i mean here is the thing, right, we know the report had what, 65 to 10 oh words in the title of bob mueller actually in the summary that bill barr put out to the public. here is the thing. according to the "new york times" some -- as juliette points out more than one, we don't know how many. they've written multiple summaries and they wanted more. >> right. >> they basically said -- i assume here is all kinds of drafts we think adequately summarize. that's not what he used. they don't feel what he did adequately portrayed what they found. that's incredible to say. >> so we know the special counsel to your point had 19 attorneys working for him,
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prosecutors. and some 40 agents. i can tell from you having worked in large groups on investigations before you're never going to get everybody to agree. you're not getting the prosecutors to agree with the investigators and not getting individual investigators to agree with other investigators. so the thing here i think that jumps out at me was the lack of prosecutorual decision on the obstruction of justice. i worked as a- for security for bob mueller throughout different tours that he went on during the course of his 12 years at fbi director. he was a guy that made decisions. for this to be pushed back to the attorney general. >> or to congress. >> right but i don't know if there weren't discussions and arguments within the team that some thought maybe yes we can go that route. some thought no and he came down in the middle and said i push it back to congress. >> harry what do you read some in the mueller team see the report as more damaging for trump than barr revealed. >> i agree with what we've been saying the past few minutes. i think it's interesting in that
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the mueller team was fajzly not leaking anything. reluctant to make any statements on the record at all. that was the time they made a public statement to kind of criticize some buzz feed reporting. but it seems now natures over that some of the people, you know, are not happy with the way barr is reporting the report. and having prepared summaries of their own, the question i think that if i were in congress i'd be asking is, why can't you at least give us the summaries? and while we litigate the issue or debate the issue of how much of the rest of the report can be turned over? the summaries would seem to have been taylor made to give out rather than barr create his 2.5 star summary which he had to retract and say it wasn't really a summary. >> it seems to me all this does is make the case for put it out and and let people make their minds up let me read another sentence here from the reporting in "the new york times." i quote. at the same time, mr. warand his advisers are vested their own
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frustrations about mr. mueller and his team process mr. barr and other justice department officials bleach the special counsels a investigators fell short of their task by declining to decide whether mr. trump illegally obstructed the inquiry according to the government officials. so now they're trying to say, it was mueller who made the decision not under pressure -- there is a lot of politicking going on. >> and that was my point. i think everybody was shock. and everybody expected the special counsel would come down on the collusion which he did and said there wasn't any. and would koum come down on the obstruction of justice for him not to do that wau was that meant to be pushed towards congress? would it have been more helpful to have the summaries released? i don't know why the attorney general made the decision but he did. >> but on collusion they used the the word establish was there none or tons up the legal bar? we just -- juliette, we don't know. but i think harry raises an important point, juliette. there is now leaking going on. >> right. i think that's important. but i also want to put the leaking with the congressional
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strategy. a lot of questions are why -- why are house democrats giving barr more time? they are setting a runway for litigation. i think it's actually the strategy is brilliant. they keep giving barr more time. keep telling him we'll give you more time becauses in clearly ending up in court. at any moment barr could release the summaries that we know exist that do not disclose classified information. and at any moment barr is setting himself up for failure. i've been saying this all along. get some of the stuff out. you don't need to get all of it. and then we could litigate the smaller pieces. >> pretty amazing that there are multiple summaries they wrote. barr used none. thank you all very much. next president trump claims his father was born in germany. not true. actually a birth certificate. can you believe it? there is a birth certificate. he was born in the bronx. lie, lie. that's next. when i book at hilton.com i get to select my room from the floor plan... free wi-fi... ...and the price match guarantee. so with hilton there is no catch. yeah the only catch is i'm never leaving. no i'm serious, i live here now.
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the white house refusing to explain why president trump repeatedly claims that his father was born in germany when, in fact, he was not born in germany. trump's father, fred trump was born in new york city. when pressed the trump adviser said flippantly said obama thought we had 57 states and sometimes mistakes happen. the thing is where your father is born is not a mistake and by the way, this isn't a one-time thing. >> my father is german, right? was german, and born in a very wonderful place in germany. so i have a great feeling for germany. >> my father is from germany. both of my parents are from the eu. >> don't forget, both of my parents were born in eu sectors, okay? my mother was scotland, my father was germany.
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>> well, since he likes birth certificates, here's his father's. "washington post" got it. here, new york city. fred trump. this is weird. i want to go now to jack o'donnell, chief operating officer of trump hotel and casino. can i ask you a question? just why? >> well, erin, that's a great question. listen, he's pathological. we know this. we've seen it not just since he announced for the president, but he's been this way ever since i've known him 28 years ago, so i do think it's part of who he is. he's compulsive. why he would lie about something where there's really no consequence is really a mystery because it really doesn't matter. the only thing i would suggest is by saying this, he's trying to ingratiate himself to someone, and so there is a gain
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for him, but this is just part of his pathology, quite frankly. >> i mean, it's really amazing to me, right? there were three specific times where the president of the united states says his father was born in the eu, in germany. trump's father died when donald trump, the president of the united states was in his 50s, okay? i really -- i find this actually really quite disturbing. you said, jack, that trump's lying is what made you quit working for him. why is that? how pervasive was it even years ago? >> yeah. well, erin, the best way i can explain it is if you were to sit down and have dinner with him for an hour i can promise you there's going to be ten to 15 lies during that one-hour period. it's just constant with him, and in my situation it really became for my own moral compass, i began to question it just being
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around his lies so often, and when i finally hit a breaking point it was very personal for me. he was lying about two friends that had died in order to cover some of his bad management and that was the straw for me, and i think that part of the high turnover rate that he has both in his business and both at the white house today, i think it revolves around the lying and the dishonesty because eventually that wears people out. >> the president also made another bizarre claim about wind turbines that the white house is struggling to explain and in fact, they're not. listen to it. >> if you have a wind mill anywhere near your house, congratulations. your house just went down 75% in value. [ laughter ] >> and they say the noise causes cancer. you tell me that one, okay? >> do wind turbines cause cancer? >> i don't have an answer on that. i don't -- i -- i don't have an answer to that. >> i guess --
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>> i don't have -- i really don't have information on that right now. >> so my question for you on this is why do you think trump's aides allow him to say things that are blatantly false or you know, conspiracy theories or not fully backed by evidence and he does this all of the time and he's come out and talked about vaccines with the false things he said. they never correct him and never even acknowledge when they're looking at reporters and we know that they know that we know and they still don't say anything. why? >> well, i think they're numb to it. the more you're around him, you know, he just does wear you out. they are numb to the lies and i don't think they know how to respond to the most ridiculous lies. the other thing is they're obviously very loyal and they are -- and they're protecting him at this point. >> all right. >> thank you very much, jack. i appreciate your time. >> thank you.
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>> and also pete buttigieg running for office, and voters turned out in record numbers in the midterms and could determine the presidency and democrats are counting on them. jason carroll is out front. >> pete buttigieg, the two-term mayor of south bend, indiana, leaned into his roots at northeastern university. the 37-year-old is the youngest candidate in the crowded field of 2020 democratic hopefuls and he's hoping his age will give him an edge. >> but i don't think young people will simply vote for the candidate who is nearest to them in age, at least not automatically. if i want to earn their vote i'm going to have to do just that. earn it. >> a pugh research report shows millennials will make up a quarter. generation z, those born after 1996 will make up another 10% and if the midterms are any indication, they are energized. according to tufts university
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30% of eligible voters turned out in the midterms and that was the highest turnout level in the past quarter century. >> there's this kind of resolve that if we vote maybe we can find people that represent our interests and actualy care about our views. >> the potential impact of the youth vote not lost on the field of 2020 candidates, all of whom are efforting to engage younger voters by highlighting issues such as climate change and higher education costs. so which candidates are getting their attention here in boston. >> it was at the top and probably then mayor pete and i think beto has a really interesting energy. >> give me your three. >> warren, mayor pete and bernie sanders. >> bernie sanders won younger voters during the 2016 primaries including some of these college students who say they supported him then, but not all of them do now. >> what happened this go round? >> what happened is i still like
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bernie sanders and they not a lot that he has to offer that's new compared to other people in the field. >> i want a candidate who looks like me. >> polling indicates sanders who is 77 and the oldest in the group is still popular among younger voters and while he's not announced so, too, has former vice president joe biden who is 76. >> biden, i think there is a role for someone with his level of experience and young people seeking someone who is comfortable in the position from day one. >> and this note of caution from researchers about their findings regarding who young people prefer, the democratic field is large and it is early in the political season. >> if this were an academic year it's the beginning of the semester. they're just handing out the syllabus. >> and erin, to that point. a number of young people that we talked to say it's simply too early and they're looking at the field of candidates and where they stand on particular issues and also, we should note that a number of young folks told us,
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look, whoever the nominee ends up being, we're going to end up rallying around that person. they're willing to do anything that they can to beat donald trump, they tell us. >> they have a lot of power in determining who that nominee is and whether that person appeals to everyone else in the party. pretty incredible. thank you very much, jason. >> and thank you for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. we begin with breaking news. new and potentially explosive reporting on what's in robert mueller's report that some of his investigators believe the attorney general failed to adequately portray in his summary. it just hit the homepage of "the new york times," the headline reads some on mueller's team see the findings as more damaging for trump than barr revealed. as mark shares the byline now. what exactly is about barr's mr memo they're taking issue with? >> as we say in the story this is about how the narrative is shaped in