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they gave a judge today. what do you say? let's get after it. >> so as you may remember the last major interview done by former homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen was here. she says the real crisis is who he refuses to help, kids and families. >> as you saw when you were down here, chris, it's the type of flow we're seeing. so it's mostly families and children and that's what is so concerning from a humanitarian perspective. >> and she admitted that the president could use his emergency declaration to help but wasn't for some unknown reason. listen to that. >> am i missing something about the emergency declaration in your understanding or does the president and his people just want to keep that for fencing? >> no, i just think that we were hopeful that we would get a additional supplemental from congress to address what is currently an emerging situation.

>> i felt she was unusually candid. 72 hours later, she was forced out by a president apparently maddened that she didn't go far enough to execute his extreme signature immigration agenda, including ripping more kids away from families than ever. this part of our president's desire to send a message that migrants are not welcome. and lady liberty sighed. thank you for joining me. i know you're busy. >> it's great to be here. i'm in birmingham, alabama. but i want to say two things. i think i was impressed with her. i was impressed with the secretary's interview but that's not -- to me, i'm not necessarily saying that's the

reason why she left the administration i think at the end of the day directionally she doesn't want to push the envelope the same way the president wants to push the envelope so that could be the central reason but we have to hear from the president. i'm still processing and finding it hard to believe that he wants to push the issue of separating children from their parents. if he's pushing an agenda to separate women from their children at the border that's going to be a disastrous agenda. i hope he's rethinking that or there's people around him that are just waiting a little bit and saying hey, wait a minute, that's not going to be politically palatable in the united states. >> when you say that to him, you

get fired. when you say this is illegal, this is wrong, this is too harsh, that's not america, you're gone. >> yeah, well, okay. so that again is another thing that i want to challenge from people. you mention the word ax and i got axed abruptly but i got axed for something fireable. i said something to a reporter. i thought i was off the record and he was a very transactional guy and he blew me up and i deserved to be fired for that and i have taken responsibility. i have always been very honest with the president. i was honest with him at the campaign. when i talk to him on the phone now i'm very honest with him. it's very important for people close to him not to conform their personalities and to contort themselves or to start agreeing with him if they disagree with him. that's not loyalty. that's self-preservation and selfishness. if someone comes in my office and tells me i'm tall, i know i'm short and a lot of times i'm

wrong so i need the right answer for people. so i hope people are saying okay let's slow down a second. i get this fact that you don't want them here or you think they're inappropriately seeking asylum, i understand all of that but what we learned in law school, we both went there, there is style and substance and then there's also the legality of the law and the spirit of the law and you're off on style and the spirit even if you're right on the legality. i hope there's somebody to look him straight in the blue eyes of his and say you're off. >> but that sounds polyannish to me. our reporting is that steven miller is going to be the tip of the sphere for him. he's all in. you can't get harsh enough for that young man. i keep inviting him here on the

show. he ducks me. that's his choice but if he's pulling the strings behind the scenes, who is going to disagree with him. he'd have no problem separating families. >> my last trip on air force one the president went to long island to make a speech on ms-13. i haven't seen stephen since then but i always found that there was a disconnect between stephen's real personality and the way it's sometimes reported. hopefully he'll come on your show and you'll give him the opportunity like you do to me and other trump supporters to explain themselves. i think you're a fair arbiter of this stuff. you let people like me point out that we thought the president was going to be exonerated and you gave us the opportunity to say that. so i'm encouraging stephen, please come on chris's show and

explain yourself because even if my relationship with him i don't think he's as harsh as people explain him. >> now is the time. >> if that's the case i would say steven, you may want to knock this off. he's probably going to get a peace deal with the north koreas. >> this is so much that the democrats have nothing but opportunity. she's one of the only members of congress on the left. they haven't even held a hearing on it. so he owns this issue. i support the president and want

him to win. but it's tone deaf if they're separating women from their children. >> we have every reason to believe that was never the truth. i never heard he was against it he was the personal brand and he did most of the stuff himself. the only thing he ever managed in mass were the casinos. he's not known for having a team around him but getting rid of talent, we have a graphic somewhere of all the people that left. you could form a government just with the people that have left this government he has less good

people around him than any president. your concern? >> you're leaving out the fact that three of his executives died in a helicopter crash which precipitated the failure there but on the presidency and the departures, he's going to have to answer for that and the chief of staff and obviously the personnel director will have to answer for that but i think it starts day one. they flooded the zone there with too many people that weren't tied to the president or his agenda and start writing these anonymous letters to the new york times telling them they're in there working against the president so there's been layers of distrust there and layers of unfairness and he needs people that are loyal. but he also needs people -- you need people that are not going to conform their personalities to you. i built my own business.

you want to fire me, no problem. i'll dust myself off and go back to my company. but you need more people like that. >> he doesn't want them. he got rid of the generals and the people with expertise. they're all gone. >> this is where i push back. >> who has hi ge got? >> kelly -- i don't want to know what kellyanne would say on the air but i'm pretty sure quitely she pushes back on the president. >> i'm not saying he doesn't. >> mulvaney is a sharp guy. >> mulvaney doesn't push back on the president. >> i don't know if he does or he doesn't. he does. >> is that why he's playing games? >> i think it's different. i think he thinks it's been overly politicized so he's taking a political position in

support of the president you know how washington works. i got my 11 day ph.d. in how washington works. >> you're not worried that the president has gone a little too far. >> most americans don't care about the president's tax returns. >> i hear you. >> on the immigration issue? >>. >> not on the issue, that the way he's dealing with who to have around him and how to run the government and the need for people, are you worried that he's gotten a little too isolated? he's a little too alone? >> that's part of it but it's because of the way the staffing took place in the beginning. they killed him with all of these establishment and never trumper people and now he's trying to figure out who is on his side and that's where the frustration is. my recommendation to the president is why don't you hire somebody that really likes you,

can tolerate some of the personality and also be your friend and tell you the truth. hire a few people like that and start recruiting people in the trump organization that you trust and then you can have the hub and spoke system that you have in the trump organization and things will start working better. the economy is doing great. you have great political instincts but probably need more personnel around you that would talk to you more honestly. but i'm down here in birmingham, alabama, building my business. >> good for you. >> good luck. >> there's a great italian restaurant called gianmarco down here. >> i'm sure it's a great restaurant. >> causing chaos at the white house, causing chaos for families by taking their kids

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>> you remember how this administration kept saying they were forced on them by the law. not their choice. it was a lie. it was a lie then and they're making it obvious now. despite having a court currently stopping any more separations and horrid reports that it could take years to pair up the families that were effected already, this president reportedly not only wants to keep separating but he wants more of it. and the most telling part is why he wants this. when we exposed that kids were being ripped from families this president told you to your face, this. >> we want to solve this problem

we want to solve family separation. i don't want children taken away from parents. >> cnn's new reporting, looks like even his wife and kids telling him separating families is wrong doesn't matter. he is hell bent on harshness. the dhs secretary and head of the secret service is said to be just the start of a massive shake up to give them what they want. two more members of the department are on the chopping block. he pulled his own pick to run i.c.e. because he wanted someone tougher. we now know the answer of why he won't use his emergency declaration to give our defenders on the border what they need. he prefers the distress. apparently as a sign of the need to be tougher on migrants. even though the gridlock of being overwhelmed endangers the lives of those coming in and those processing them.

the same president that promises to restore the rule of law keeps running into the same road block. namely the law. a federal judge blocked his plan to make asylum seekers stay in mexico while they wait for a hearing and then there's the guidance delivered to border agents last week where two sources told cnn our president told the workers to just not let migrants enter. that would put the men and women in charge of upholding our law on the wrong side of it. this president only wants to hear that there is a brown menace and to get it he will shake up and render unstable the nation's second largest national security agency. cyberattacks, terrorism, the coast guard, disaster relief, it's all up in the air as this president tries to find people willing to do whatever he says

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him? will his presidency get better from here or worse? that's the starting point for tonight's great debate. anna, the argument is fresh blood, we need the right people. do you buy it? >> look, the bottom line is you're not going to be able to get great people unless you have a great leader. and every single case i have ever been exposed to, the staff is a very accurate reflect of the leader, of the principal. in this case, when the leader is donald trump that wants to be surrounded by yes men and yes women, who wants to be told hah he's right about everything and wants to be legitimized and validated even though he is ignorant and has no idea what he is doing, then no, you'll never be able to find a talented group of people because his only loyalty test, his only qualification is will they do and say as he wants them to do

and say? that's a nars cystic strong man lacking the ability to hear other voices and opinions and to know that sometimes he doesn't know what he doesn't know. >> we have seen the purge. no president hassal lenlt as fast as this president has. do you believe a surge is coming? >> a surge in terms of effective policy being implemented? >> fresh blood, new people, wowing us? >> absolutely. i think this president is cleaning house. what is unprecedented is the degree to which people within his own administration through leaks and trying to undermine his policy and this president specifically himself, that is unprecedented. so it's not surprising that loyalty would become extremely powerful and potent verification for who is going to be in this white house. i actually disagree -- i saw

your interview earlier and i disagree with you. actually mick mulvaney did stand up to the president specifically on closing the border with mexico and not only stood up to the president but got the president to back down. >> how do you know? >> that's according to my sources. that is what i heard exactly was the case and be it mick or kellyanne, there are some very strong figures, larry kudlow within this administration that are going to push very hard but the president does value loyalty and he should considering the degree -- my side of the ledger calls it deep state. the degree to which he has been undermined by people within his own administration. >> he is an unknown. he is new to this. we don't know where he is on things. mulvaney is known for extreme ideas. stephen miller is known for extreme ideas.

kelly anne saved that campaign and has the president's ear and for good reason. once you get past that line you have his kids. jared kushner. we're hearing about him being made into the big part of the immigration. he needed a tutorial. is that a recipe for victory? >> first, part of the reason he backed down for closing the border as he indicate sd that the republicans told up to him and said that it was a bad idea. >> that's true. >> they did that because he knew the economic effect that it would cost and they stood up to trump. something they need to do far more often because they need to remember that despite what trump may think and want this is not a dictatorship. this is a place where we have co-equal branches of government and the republicans in the senate need to remind trump about that time and time again

and then when you talk about extreme ideas and cabinet, it's almost ironic that we are here discussing the firing or resignation of kirstjen nielsen. a woman that was extremely bad at her job, cruel at her job, competent at executing cruel policy and lied about it time and time again. so you almost have to ask yourself just how bad and how ridiculous was what trump was asking her this time to do that she finally found a conscious and found a soul and found a spine to tell him that she needed to go. because god knows that for far too long she has been willing and complicit in the cruellest of policy and that she will have to carry to her grave.

>> jeff sessions came up with the separation policy. what the law could do and what it was with the policy. flores is not the judge. so let's talk about the policy. if cnn's reporting is clear to people, the president when he said i don't want to separate kids on the border anymore, that isn't true. he wants to do it and he wants to do it more than ever because he believes in the message that it sends and that it will deter people. either you stay together in detention or you go alone as parents separated from your kids to go through the immigration system. those go hand in hand. you wouldn't want one if you didn't want the other. why doesn't the president just come clean and say i want to separate the kids? i don't want people to come and this will scare them into not doing it. >> this situation is extremely complicated.

i'm glad you brought up the flores decision -- >> settlement. >> that's right. settlement. that goes back during the clinton administration. that's how old this issue is and that's how complicated this issue is and how many different administrations, republican and democrat have tried to deal with this extraordinary situation and problem. >> only one reportedly has intended to flout it outwardly and inwardly to get around the law and that's this one. >> this president through an executive order asked the attorney general to change the interpretation of the settlement so that families and children could stay together in certain circumstances. but it's complicated. and when you have 1,000 people coming across the border was a bad day for him.

now it's 4,000. >> he had a real problem and it's not only a problem internally within our own country but it is a message that we have to send to the countries in central america that i actually believe are allies and neighbors and one of your earliest guests said we should be more interventionists. >> let's see what he comes up with. at this point he has been heavy on the harshness and light on the results. thank you for making the case on a monday. more evidence emerging today on the chinese woman nabbed at mar-a-largo. this is a wild story growing more suspicious by the day. was it really espiongae? i'll give you new information after the break. and outdoor allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals

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prosecutors are laying out what they found in the hotel room of the chinese woman trying to get into mar-a-largo. good to see you fellas. phil, what's the chance that this lady is some type of like renegade and this is something she came up with? where are you on terms of

percent chance she's an operative. >> let me give you two questions -- >> i'll ask the questions -- no, go ahead. >> will you be quite for a second? number one that she was sent by the most prominent chinese intelligence service without a cover story, without an explanation for why she had so much tough on her. looked like she ripped off the tech section at target or something. she has no cover story. if you look at all the information we're seeing, something ugly is going on here. she is trying to pick up information. obviously inappropriately. was she a representative of a key chinese espionage service. this one looks like a duck, it talks like a duck but it doesn't quack like a duck. >> it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, but doesn't quack like a duck. do you believe there's something a little off on this? >> there's definitely something off and i'm going to agree with

phil here. this doesn't feel like traditional chinese espionage. they're very focused on cyberattacks. maybe that would be a way to go after mar-a-largo and they're also very subtle. this sort of in your face changing stories and all the gadgets don't mean anything. you don't need that to do what she did. >> remember this is all second nature for you, for people fresh on this story, she had a device supposedly according to prosecutors to help identify hidden cameras, she had malware and thumb drives and the suggestion is those could be used to intercept wifi signals and start interfering with people's communications. you're saying that that kind of stuff isn't needed in the spy game? >> you can do all of that with an iphone. you can spot cameras in a hotel room with a flashlight.

i'm not down playing this. there's something very problematic here. i just don't see this as the very astute and sophisticated chinese intelligence. it's just not how they operate. there's something going on and i'm sure that we'll find out more and the nice thing about her having all of those devices is that if we give it time, the fbi is going to be doing a lot of work in digital forensics to see what kind of malware. does it have artifacts that lead back. >> proprietary markers in it. >> exactly. >> so then what is it? if she is not a spy, what could it be? >> let me give you a few guesses. number one, a secondary chinese security service wants to say we're going to make our mark. so they send in an amateur. number two, industrial espionage. some organization says we're interested in things like business secrets, we're going to send our own person in. or somebody that just has a thing for the president, i don't want to rule this out and says i

want to get in there. let me make this simple. if you wanted to conduct it over time, find a sympathetic chinese billionaire. you turnover the couch in china, you can get $200,000 and he says i want to bring my friend in for a photo op. why wouldn't you do that? it's easier. it gives you cover and there's no risk. >> what about the crazy one? not to be offensive to the mentally ill but what about the creigh sy scenario. she loves the president. she wants to get close to the president. she has money. she has some means and this is what she came up with? >> it could be that. this is weird enough that it might be someone that's a little bit off. it could be someone that doesn't like the president that wants to do harm to the president. we have a lot of problems with china right now and relations

r aren't great. it could be a probe attack. let's see how good they're protecting mar-a-largo. >> that is the most instructive part of the story because i have to tell you, sure, i test the president on a regular basis. and if it weren't for the receptionist this lady would have gotten where she wanted to go. >> all she has to do is get in there and stick a thumb drive in and screw up the entire system. the most interesting piece here to me, chris, as somebody that works in government, it's really boring but look at the public notice that was put out by the secret service after this event.

there's at least two sentences where the secret service says at mar-a-largo there's a bunch of people walking around and we have some ability to stop them but it's the president and his staff that run the operation there. that's the secret service saying don't blame us. we can't control access. get over it. >> that was the one thing. when this story started, just to be fair and open with the audience, i thought it was a gag. i thought she was going to be revealed as some type of prankster or not well in the head but my concern has always been and is still, we only have one president and it just seems way too easy for people to get way too close to him where he is a lot of the time. eric, phil, appreciate the expertise. we'll see what happens here. >> ahead, a gay presidential candidates powerful message for the quote, mike pence's of the world. the speech is going viral and faster than usual. it's about faith and acceptance. forget about your politics. it's worth a listen. next. ah.

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choice made far, far above my pay grade. that's the thing i wish the mike pence's of the world would understand. if you have a problem with who i am, your problem is not with me, your quarrel, sir, is with my creator. the mayor of south bend, indiana. he's 37. boy does he sound wise beyond his years. being candid about his sexuality and how it's not a personal choice, but do you know what is? love. d.lemon knows about the power of love and the journey of acceptance. we talked about this. mayor pete has the shine on him right now. the media is liking him but this was a real tour of his deeper self and what matters to him and why. it was an impressive message, politics aside. >> it's impressive for someone at that level that is gay to be able to say those things and with confidence. quite frankly it's something that a lot of people, especially lgbt support groups say. a lot of people that are pro gay

rights and same sex marriage who happen to be christians will say the same thing. it talks about what the bible actually really does say about homosexuality and about other things and i think it's important. i always say when i speak to people that the same scriptures and doctrines that were used to discriminate against black people to keep them in chains and slaves they use those same things for gay people and women. you can interpret things in many ways but the truth of it is we are all human beings and god created us, if you believe in god, and as far as i know god does not make mistakes so if you have a problem with something that god did, then see him and not me. >> now to the extent, i think his use -- >> or see her and not me. >> that's right. >> i think his use of the idea of doxology and religion and

what it is you want to teach and why, i thought that was smart and i thought politically coming at his opponents as opposed to just defending himself for being gay and saying that's not all of me -- sometimes politicians do. i thought that was ambitious also and reflective of us living during a different time. >> it is and i said last week, remember i told you, listen, the gay presidential candidate leading with religion. leading with his christianity which is something that you don't see a lot of, he happens to think that the right does not have a monopoly on religion or evangelicals don't have a monopoly on religion. that's true. they don't. i know a lot of democrats and progressives that are extremely religious but they also know about how to interpret things and that many things that were said in the bible were written for that time. a lot of people talk about what leviticus says. that's really the holiness code. that also talks about eating shellfish and about adultery and

all kinds of things. >> you can find what you want in the text. >> you can find whatever you want and to say that those things no longer exists when it comes to the things you don't want them to exist for but they still exist for people that happen to be gay is just complete hypocrisy. >> the truth has always been in the search. people have to look for reasons to exclude others when they examine jesus's messmessage. if you take it on its face, you know it's about inclusion. speaking of that, we're about to include someone in a little bit of a different way in the family. d. lemon officially going to be mr. tim. >> i'm okay with that. >> they're getting engaged by the way. obviously if you haven't heard this. tim and don announced their engagement. look at them there. i know them both well. you know i know don. i have known tim longer. >> that's right. you know his family. >> and they are beautiful people. >> great family, right? >> they're about all the right

things. >> it's a really great family, and he's a great guy and you know, the weird thing chris, i spent a lot of time with you and christina this weekend. and you guys have such a great marriage and you're so in love, you can tell and you guys were so happy for us, so thank you and just a a really great friend. i think i told christina this, i grew up never thinking that my relationships would even be public, let alone getting married. so for me this is thrilling, and terrifying, and it means, you know, it means a lot to everyone. but this, to me, i can't really explain to you what this means. i never thought i'd get married, thought i'd really be able to have kids. now i have to think about all that. i'm a true late bloomer. >> i've got to tell you, for somebody worried about the subtlety of it, you blew the cover off it with that ring.

>> i didn't buy it. >> holy cow, never seen anything like it. >> i said if i'm going to get married, then i want some bling. >> hi heae heard you. you know when i know it's the right move, this is the truth, tim goes and they use the same -- obviously they have a jeweler they both know. tim goes to the jeweler and says i need a ring, i'm making this happen. and the guy says wait, you know. don had gone to the jeweler and said i'm looking for rings. >> we met a jeweler and i loved the guy's designs, mark lash. he's in canada and we met him at a party a couple years ago and i loved his stuff and i recommended some friends to him. and i said to him, i want you to design my ring if i ever decided. last couple -- did you come up with a design, what's going on and he would not get back to me. i'm like what is going on. when tim came into the room and did the thing and i saw the mark lash box, it all made sense.

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remember this? >> we're going to use our best people. we're going to use people that are so much more talented than anywhere in the world. >> the cabinet we're going to have all the best people. >> we're going to get the best people in the world. >> you see stories of chaos, chaos of this administration, is running like a fine tuned machine. >> i promised the american people that i'd ask for our country's best and brightest and we have that. >> instead he assembled by most accounts a weak team and then shed the strongest members, general james mattis, rex tillerson, four decade running at one of the biggest global corporations, jeff sessions, 20 year career in the senate, names like john kelly, don mcgahn, nikki haley, gary cohn, dina powell, h.r. mcmaster, kirstjen

nielsen. roughly two out of three certain level advisers to the president have been fired or resigned. almost one-half of cabinet level jobs have turned over. we've never seen anything like it. but the latest penchant for purging is most consequential. dhs, department of homeland security, is the umbrella for agencies that cover cyber, security, coast guard, terror, immigration. this is a double edged sword, actually like a four pointed mace. he scares off or scorns anyone of actual talent, he can't fill a lot of under ling positions because no one is in charge long enough to staff them up. it's really a problem trying to find anyone of real substance to want to work for this president and as a result he is left with the exception of, you know, a few talented folks near the top with hangers on, and his kids. having incredible influence over

decisions and dynamics they know nothing about. jared kushner can't get a security clearance legitimately, but he's a legit choice to figure out middle east peace and now immigration. his counterbalance is stephen miller, ties to big gotted groups, unwilling or worried about coming on here to be tested. this isn't the brightest nor the best. he added his own alligators to a swamp that's more vetted than ever. the part that must concern us is why. with any president which would be alarming. these men no matter how gifted or how much hype they need greatness around them. a mix of old hands, new stars, all of them working like crazy and knowing what pitches to expect, which ones to swing at and where the ball tends to go. a journalist, and a lifetime student of that game, i lived it

with no reporters or cameras for most of my life. good teams make great leaders, period. but with this president the need is greater than i've seen for support. and it is the dynamite mix of ignorance and arrogance on his part that has us in this predicament. this president thinks he will run the administration like his tv show, start with a lot of misfits and fire your way to a conclusion, made for a decent reality show but that ain't reality. we're living the real episode, and it doesn't end well if this president continues to sweat off people he needs and is left with only those that need proximity to him for power. the media, and many of you, obsess over this president's twitter and his snap quips. they're just for effect. but here's the real concern. those types of judgments are actually motivating what is happening within our government as the people around him to level him out are leaving.

separating kids for spite after a court said no. telling staff to flout immigration law. we're getting too close to uncensored trump for comfort. that's the argument, thank you for watching. cnn tonight with d. lemon starts right now. >> it's very unsettling. because this is not really -- it's what -- how some people are being treated there and the separation of children and families is really un-american. it's unhumane but it's un-american and i don't understand why people continue to allow him to -- and these policies, they say stephen miller is behind it. one would think that the president would, you know, jo l overrule him and do what is decent and humane, but that's not happening. >> the invite is open. we've spoken before, i'll give you the time, we'll talk about it, do it in person. makes interrupting less of a need and l