>> she thinks is going to be entirely fine. i think she might be right. the only unpardonable sin in new york is poverty. >> it is a fascinating story. thank you so much elaina plott. i'm brianna keilar, thanks for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfront next, president trump tells one of his top immigration officials he'll pardon him if he breaks the law. this as trump threatens to dump migrants into sanctuary cities. what's going on? plus deputy attorney general rod rosenstein revealing new details about what's inside mueller's report. what he's saying tonight. and a federal judge goes after president trump, comparing his attacks on judges to the kkk. let's go outfront. outfront tonight dangling a pardon. cnn learning that president trump told the man who's about to become his acting secretary of homeland security to break the law. to stop asylum seekers from entering the united states and

saying if he was sent to jail, according to senior administration officials, the president told kevin mcaleenan he would pardon him. the conversation took place during the president's last trip to the border a few days ago and alarmed homeland security officials. it comes at the same time that the president was delivering this blunt message to migrants. >> our country is full. our area is full. the sector is full. can't take you anymore, i'm sorry. can't happen. so turn around. that's the way it is. >> and now a spokesman for the department of homeland security is telling cnn that, no, at no time has the president indicated, asked, directed or pressured the acting secretary to do anything illegal. of course never mind all the reporting out there and the multiple sources, but there is what he actually told the american people himself. the reality of this is that the president's apparent disregard for the rule of law has been a theme.

cnn is also learning that the president is ignoring legal advice by threatening to release migrants into sanctuary cities as a way to retaliate against his political enemies. >> we'll bring them to sanctuary city areas and let that particular area take care of it, whether it's a state or whatever it might be. they say we have open arms. they're always saying we have open arms. let's see if they have open arms. >> and that last part could be the problem. the president's team telling him that this does not pass legal muster. in fact they tried to stop him from leveling this threat. eight minutes before the president announced that he wanted to do this, to send illegal migrants to sanctuary cities and he made his formal announcement on twitter, his own white house released a statement saying he would not send migrants there. they wrote this is a nonstory. the position is we wanted to deport, not release illegal aliens. then they get undermined and contradicted by their boss. abby philip is outside the white house. abby, what is going on insight

had white house, because clearly they're not on the same page and the president is not listening to his advisers and top legal experts. >> not at all, erin. the president is once again making his own policy on this issue of immigration and the white house is just trying to keep up with the things that he's saying on a day-to-day basis. the problem here stems from the president just simply being deeply frustrated by what's going on at the border. he's been president for two plus years. the situation is the worst that it's been since 2007 according to the numbers we've seen about the flow of immigrants at the southern border. the president wants people at the border and in his administration to do a lot more. the problem is he's been asking them to do things that are either legally, blatantly or borderline illegal, and these are some of the examples that the policy proposals the president and some of his top aides have been pushing that have not passed legal muster. we have reported even prior to learning about this latest issue when it comes to the sanctuary

cities that the president had been telling his aides that he wanted them to stop migrants from being able to come over and claim asylum. he doesn't want to wait for the laws to change. he's been asking them to simply go ahead and do this. dhs secretary kirstjen nielsen had to advise her staffers that they have to follow the law, they simply can't take the orders from the president. they can't violate the law in carrying out immigration laws. it just reflects frustration here within the white house and the fact that the president and some of their top aides are trying to change the staffing to resolve some of these issues. the general counsel at dhs is a source of frustration to stephen miller. he wants him gone in part because he pushed back on this idea of sanctuary cities. so there is still a push and pull happening here in this white house about who is in charge of making policy and determining what is legal and what is not. we still don't know who is going win out eventually. many of these officials are

still in their positions but white house aides are still urging for more hard line policies on immigration to satisfy the president, erin. >> abby, thank you. and now the democratic mayor from san jose, which is a sanctuary city, april ryan, white house correspondent for american urban radio networks and greg brower. mayor, let's start with you. let's start with the headline that the president is effectively telling the now acting head of the department of homeland security to go ahead and break the law and not let people in. your reaction. >> good evening, erin. there's no amount of irony to describe what's going on when you've got a president urging people to enforce the law. at the same time he's urging folks to violate law. you know, in the city of san jose, we welcome all immigrants and the threats of the president certainly don't amount to threats to us. >> greg, what do you say?

>> well, as a former naval officer and as a former federal prosecutor, it is understood by all u.s. military personnel and civil servants that lawful orders are to be followed and unlawful orders are not to be followed. and i'd like to think that even the acting leadership at dhs and the lawyers at dhs know the difference between the two and will act accordingly. >> april, the thing is the president -- we've talked about dangling pardons many times. >> yes. >> but he has promised to take care in people in general from wrongdoing in the past several times. here's one of them. >> yeah, get him out. try not to hurt him. if you do, i'll defend you in court, don't worry about it. >> so this time when he is saying stopping asylum seekers from entering the united states and don't worry, if you do it, i'll pardon you. do you think he was being serious? >> erin, you know, let's start

here. this is not about politics, this is a grown man's temper tantrum, number one, because he's not getting his way when it comes to immigration. we have to really start there. this is not someone who understands governance. this is about his whims. unfortunately, this president is putting out pre-pardons. the white house us going to call it a joke or trying to call it a joke. it's not a joke. when you're at this level, the president of the united states, words matter. this is not a joke, words matter, they have ripple effects. but the president put that out there for him to know, look, do my bidding. do my bidding. he did it in public. this is a sad day for this country. it's about the rule of law, not a temper tantrum when you don't get what you want. >> it's sort of like he's saying i'm bigger than the law. do what i want and i'll take care of it for you, which obviously should trouble anyone. mayor, you said we welcome all immigrants, talking about san

jose. the president today did confirm that he's pushing this plan that would be retaliatory against cities like yours by releasing detained migrants into sanctuary cities like san jose. so on this tweet, which he sent contradicting his own administration, he says open borders, open arms. so this should make them very happy, talking about sanctuary cities. so is he right? are you happy? if he were to do this, forget the legality for a second. if he were to send all illegal migrants to sanctuary cities and you got a whole lot more people than you're used to getting, would you be okay with it? >> certainly we welcome anyone who comes to our city who has gone through the incredible hardships and taken the great risks to come to this country and to be a part of this country. that's what we believe in in san jose. but it seems to me it's no solution. even the president's own advisers admit it's not a

solution. this is cynical silliness rather than a solution. we're all looking for comprehensive immigration reform, real solutions like expedited asylum processing and we're not getting that from this president. we're not getting solutions, we're getting cynical silliness. >> greg, let's talk about the legality of it now. the recent that his own chief legal counsel for dhs said that he couldn't do this was because in order to do something like send all illegal migrants to sanctuary cities, he would have to have a strong mission-related rationale and he couldn't do it for political retaliation which of course in his tweet he says open borders, open arms, you should be very happy it's pretty clear that's what he's doing. could he argue after things that he said that this is not political retaliation? >> it certainly looks political to everyone watching, including i would expect the lawyers around the president at the white house. and so it would be tough to make that argument. as you indicated in your

introduction, erin, i have had the privilege of serving as a lawmaker and in the executive branch. when you're a lawmaker, you get to make the laws. it's not easy, you can't do it unilaterally, but that's where the laws are made. in the executive branch, whether you're a cabinet official, a lower level official or the president, you simply have to follow the law. and so that's what the reality for the president should be here. if he wants the law changed, he can go congress and try to make that happen. until and unless that happens, he simply has to follow the law. >> april, the president wants everyone to know when it comes to the law and the situation here that he and he alone is calling the shots on immigration. i want to play the exchange from the other day on the white house lawn. trump was asked about stephen miller, his senior advisor. his rising influence on immigration. miller is very powerful. but when the president was reminded of that, he didn't like it so much. here he sdplis. >> stephen is a wonderful

person. he's been with me from the beginning. he's a brilliant man. and frankly there's only one person that's running it. you know who that is? it's me. >> so we call that fattening up for the slaughter, april. he's brilliant, he's amazing, he's wonderful. by the way, buddy, i'm the guy running this place. do you think this is all the president's idea, the sanctuary cities threat? >> stephen miller is the immigration guru at the white house, plain and simple, ending of story. you can close that book. we've seen the president's reaction when people get too much attention for issues. like steve bannon, remember him? he's now out of the white house. so if i were stephen miller, i would tread lightly as i craft the immigration policies that this president is doing that's breaking the rule of law in this nation. it's stephen miller.

it is stephen miller. it is stephen miller. >> mayor, before we go, what would your message to the president be tonight? >> well, we're an incredibly successful community in the city of san jose because almost 40% of us were born in a foreign country and we have one of the highest per capita incomes, one of the lowest violent crime rates. immigration makes us a great community and makes us a great country. so i'd urge the president to follow the law and stop using immigration as a political threat. >> all right, thank you all three very much. and next, breaking news. deputy attorney general behind closed doors revealing new details about what's in the mueller report. plus pete buttigieg says his experience as mayor gives him an advantage in the 2020 race. >> put simply, downtown south bendi bend is back. >> so do residents of south bend, indiana, agree? and opposition to stephen

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confirming to laura jarrett that the report will clear up questions about russian interference in the 2016 election. outfront tonight, democratic congressman david cicilline who's on the house judiciary committee. i appreciate your time. let me get to this. we're hearing rosenstein made this comment with a point. he wanted to emphasize the core of the mueller investigation was russian interference in the election, and that was thoroughly investigated and charged, as we know. you've had 30 some odd russian entities and individuals charged. it sounds like he's trying to make a point that one should expect that to be the bulk, and the other part, the trump-related part, to not be as bulky. are you satisfied with that? >> well, we just don't know. i mean we know certainly that our intelligence community concluded with high confidence that the russians engaged in a very sophisticated attack on our democracy led by vladimir putin for the purpose of helping donald trump and hurting hillary clinton. so we know that.

i expect the report will detail that significantly. but it just underscores why we need to see the full contents of this report to understand what the trump associates did, what the russians did and how we prevent this from ever happening again. with all due respect to mr. rosenstein, i think we all understand the importance of seeing the entire report in all of the contents before the judiciary committee and don't want to rely on summaries for mr. rosenstein or mr. barr. >> do you have any guidance tonight as to when this report will be released? obviously barr had said within the week. he said that last, what was it, tuesday. so we're almost there. >> yeah. i think our expectation is it will be very soon. i think this is very concerning, the whole sequence of events. this should have been released to the judiciary committee immediately in the fully unredacted form. we can make judgments working with the special counsel and

attorney general about what can be released to the public. but this idea that he's taking all this time to take out the door that he wants and deliver just portions of the report to congress is completely unacceptable. we need to know what he's trying to keep secret and why. we're going to fight very hard to make sure the american people know all the facts because no one is above the law and we'll continue to do our oversight responsibilities to make that point. >> so you may have an unlikely set of allies in your republican colleagues. john kennedy told cnn he's confident barr will only redact what's necessary. by the way, barr has said he'll put footnotes in explaining the reach for his redactions so we'll see whether they provide enough detail. if he goes further, kennedy will fight alongside you. here he is. >> i think bill barr is a straight-up guy. but as i've said, even if you don't agree with me, he's not a moron. he's not going to release a report in my opinion with every third word redacted. if he does, i'll bring fresh

hell like a lot of my democratic colleagues, but i don't think he'll do that. >> can you trust republicans? obviously he's saying every third word. obviously this will be subject i've but do you think enough of them are on your side here on seeing it all? >> i'm glad to hear senator kennedy saying that. we had a vote in the house, 420 members said the report should be released in its entirety, so they have they said that in the house. i think unfortunately we've seen mr. barr in his recent testimony make it very clear he believes he works for the president and his role is to somehow protect this president rather than honor the oath he took to the constitution and to the american people. so i'm very skeptical, but i'm delighted to hear that there's some republicans that are saying the right things. this is about the right of the american people to know the truth. >> yeah. >> to know the facts. to see the full contents of this report. i welcome the republican support of our efforts. >> now, bill barr of course, when he was in his confirmation hearing, said that there was not a witch hunt.

he declined to answer the question earlier this week in testimony. he has changed. he used the word spying instead of surveillance to refer to what he indicated he has no indication is anything other than legal monitoring of the trump campaign. and yet rod rosenstein is defending barr to "the wall street journal" saying he's being an forthcoming as he can and this notion that he's trying to mislead people i think is completely bisoozarrebizarre. what do you think? >> i disagree. william barr said during his confirmation hearings that he would be as transparent as possible but what he's done is different. he gave a four-page summary in which he tried to shape this narrative. in it he said there was no obstruction of justice even though the special counsel said he would not exonerate the president. that was the opposite. so he's begun to try to shape this narrative. he's resisted releasing the

report in its entirety to the judiciary committee. he said in his testimony that he worked for the president. so unfortunately we shouldn't forget mr. barr also auditioned for this job. he wrote a 17-page memo in which he argued a president could not be guilty of obstruction of justice because he runs the justice department. the president of the united states, you're hired and delivers on that. so i have reasons to be concerned about his conduct. the statements he's made about spying, it's the president's narrative. he used the very word the president used to promote this conspiracy, deep state theory. it's really, really disappointing. >> congressman, thank you. >> thanks for having me. pete buttigieg and mike pence escalating their dispute. >> i think pete quarrels with the first amendment. >> i'm not critical of his faith. i'm critical of bad policies. plus elizabeth warren calls trump's fed picks more unqualified and unsuited for the job. will moore's nomination survive?

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presidential campaign on sunday in south bend, indiana, where he has been mayor since 2012. buttigieg says it is his experience that makes him more qualified for the white house than president trump. vanessa is outfront in south bend to take a look attribu at buttigieg's record. >> reporter: downtown south bend, a bustling street with restaurants and shops. not that long ago it was desolate. >> put simply, downtown south bend is back. >> all right, whoa, look at that. >> reporter: now as buttigieg readies his official announcement for president, he's pointing to the leadership of this midsize city as the right kind of experience for the white house. >> we would be well served if washington looked more like our best-run cities and towns rather than the other way around. >> see you later. >> thank you. >> mark mcdonald owns la salle

grill downtown. >> this is the heart of the city. the neighborhoods may be the soul of the city but this is the heart. >> reporter: a conservative who voted for president trump, mcdonald doesn't always see eye to eye with buttigieg but still gives the mayor credit. >> i still feel he's a straight shooter. he's honest. he's whipsmart. seems to be very organized and very business oriented. >> reporter: but as downtown south bend improved, people who lived in neighborhoods outside the city center started asking what about us? >> we were easily dismissed, it seems. >> reporter: like city council member regina williams preston, who ran for office after buttigieg launched an initiative in 2013 to demolish 1,000 neglected homes in 1,000 days, aimed at revitalizing the city's neighborhoods. >> we understand traditional malls models of economic development. but if you do what you've always

dub, you'll get what you've always gotten. what we've always gotten is displacement of poor people and people of color, gentrification. >> reporter: after pressure from the community, buttigieg compromised, allowing for 40% of the homes to be refurbished instead. >> the most heartening news out of this initiative is that 657 of these properties, almost half, have been repaired rather than torn down. >> so what i said to him at that time is we're going to challenge you. we are going to be putting this pressure on you. and you need some battle scars. >> does he have those ballots scars? is he ready to lead in a new way? >> i think we might have given him a few. >> reporter: in a neighborhood on the edge of town, resident stacy odom had her own run-in with the mayor literally. >> he told me i'll on my way to a meeting. i said i understand but i have a couple of quick questions for you. >> reporter: her house was one

on the chopping block. >> when you stopped the mayor on the street and he gave you his card and said give us a call, we'll help you. did you really think that he would help you? >> actually i did. i was a little skeptical, but i thought at least he would get back with me. >> reporter: and he did. odom was able to refurbish her home. >> that's what turned me. that's what said to me that this is a man that has the potential to be president. >> reporter: we spoke to buttigieg earlier this afternoon by phone, and he says he's explored and now it's time to make it official and announce a decision. i'm also told by a campaign aide that he will have no prepared remarks on sunday. if he does bring any notes on stage, they will be written by buttigieg himself. erin, as this campaign becomes official, i'm told they have no pollster, no strategist, and no

speechwriter, and they tell me they're looking to keep it that way. very lean and run just like a startup. erin. >> all right, thank you very much. interesting details there. all right. now let's go to keith boykin, former clinton white house aide and scott jennings, special assistant to george w. bush. scott, even the republican trump voter in vanessa's piece likes mayor buttigieg. >> yeah. i have said to some folks lately of all these democrats running, the only one of them that i could even remotely see myself feeling possibly able to even consider voting for would be pete buttigieg. i don't align with his politics at all but certainly somebody who's been an executive and somebody who has had to make real world pragmatic decisions, and somebody who has had to deal with real economic development is far preferable to some of these raving socialist lunatics like elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. i think buttigieg comes off as a real guy and comes off as somebody who's more of a

pragmatic than a socialist crusader. and that would probably attract more moderate voters than some of the rest of the democrats could do. >> so keith, buttigieg is set to formally announce on sunday. is it a strength or a weakness in the democratic primary when you have that trump voter there in the piece and others like that and people like scott saying what scott just said. when you have people saying those things about you, that you're a moderate, you make sense in a field of raving socialists, is that a problem, keith, for buttigieg. >> i don't know how seriously to take scott so i can't really tell you how to respond to that. but i think that any democrat who wants to win the primary has to be kpcompetitive with the progressive wing of the party and that wing is not necessarily looking for somebody who's a moderate, they're looking for somebody who will advance the democratic progressive agenda. when you compare the experience that pete buttigieg has against donald trump, mayor pete has seven years of chief executive governing experience.

he's a former naval intelligence officer, he served in afghanistan, he speaks seven languages. donald trump had no government experience, never served in the military, he dodged the draft in vietnam and barely speaks one language. if you compare the two, i think donald trump is far below where pete buttigieg is in terms of qualifications to be president of the united states. >> so buttigieg's record in indiana is in part tied to the former governor of his state, left anyone forget that was the now vice president mike pence. buttigieg does not want any ties to mike pence right now. he is taking him on over gay rights explicitly. here they both are today talking about each other. >> i hope that pete will offer more to the american people than attacks on my christian faith or attacks on the president as he seeks the highest office in the land. i think pete's quarrel is with the first amendment. >> how so? >> all of us in this countryth right to our religious beliefs. >> i'm not critical of his

faith, i'm critical of bad policies. i don't have a problem with religion. i'm religious too. i have a problem with religion being used as a justification to harm people. and especially in the lgbtq community. so many people feel like they don't belong. you can get fired in so many parts of this country just for who you are, and that's got to change. >> so, keith, is pence elevating buttigieg by engaging him directly on this? buttigieg to be clear is running third right now. he's not even formally running until sunday but is running third in the polls. when mike pence is taking him on directly, does that help him? >> well, yes, he does help him. i know he's running third, i think, in iowa and new hampshire. i don't know if he's running third nationally. you know, when you have a person like mike pence who republicans like and democrats don't like and that person is a national figure and that person is attacking you, that only helps

you as a candidate. and i think pete buttigieg has some good points to make. you know, pence campaigned by saying that he was a christian first, a conservative second and republican third. in fact he hasn't governed that way. pete buttigieg has accurately called him the cheerleader for the porn star presidency. it's not just about a question of first amendment, it's also about his support for conversion therapy, his support for laws in indiana that would allow discrimination against gay and lesbian customers by businesses. all those things are concerns to not only lgbtq people but people that are americans concerned about fairness. >> pete buttigieg says he doesn't want to fight with pence, even though he is. >> i'm not interested in feuding with the vice president. if he wanted to clear this up, he could come out today and say he's changed his mind. that it shouldn't be legal to discriminate against anybody in this country for who they are. that's all. >> he says he's not interested in feuding and this is not about

politics, it's about people. he has a very genuine way in terms of how he presents himself. do you believe him, scott? >> i believe that he is definitely trying to elevate himself by engaging vice president pence. i think it absolutely helps him to look like he's in a fight with somebody who's going to be on the other ticket. i don't think mike pence or any other republican is going to take a lecturing on christian values from somebody who is in a political party that is advocating for late term, full term and post term abortions in some cases. i think buttigieg is being selective in how he tries to posit his christianity to mike pence's. they'll never see eye to eye on religious faith. i think this is a political move. i think he is a genuine person but no question, if he's fighting with mike pence, he's in the driver seat of the news cycle that day. >> i have four days to say. stormy daniels and "access hollywood." >> and that is correct. >> you can infer what that means. >> you know, morality sometimes

but not others. thank you both very much. next, opposition growing to stephen moore's nomination to the fed after this exchange outfront. >> i'm not in favor of gold standard. >> so i want to play something then for you. >> i think we have to re-establish some kind of gold standard. plus in a very rare attack, a sitting federal judge slams president trump from the bench. moving? that's harder now because of psoriatic arthritis. but you're still moved by moments like this. don't let psoriatic arthritis take them away.

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tonight trump's fed pick is under fire. 2020 presidential candidate senator elizabeth warren sending scathing letters to stephen moore and herman cain. warren writes in part you have a long history of making wildly inaccurate claims about economic policy that appear to serve political ends, suggesting that you are unqualified and unsuited for the job for which you are expected to be nominated. outfront now, jennifer wexton who sits on the house financial services committee. great to have you with me, congressman. last night stephen moore was on the show and listed off some of his qualifications. chief economist at the heritage foundation. budget analyst at the age of 25 in the white house. chief economics writer at "the wall street journal." does that all add up to someone who can do this job? >> my issue with stephen moore and a lot of other people's as well is he's just unqualified to lead the fed. he doesn't seem to understand how monetary policy works.

>> so you -- when you talk about this, this was an exchange that you had when you were talking to the bank ceos this week. they were all there on capitol hill. we can see you asking these questions. you were asking them about the gold standard, which has become central to this. it's central to what rules the world. is it gold or is it the u.s. dollar. they all disagreed with the position that the fed should be scrapped in favor of the gold standard. i asked moore about the gold standard and his position on it last night. i want to play the full exchange for you, congresswoman. >> so the top bank ceos were testifying on capitol hill this week, as you know. they were asked specifically about your previous statements supporting overturn of the gold standard -- >> wait, wait, wait. i don't think i've ever really said much about the gold -- i'm not in favor of the gold standard, i'm in favor of using commodities as a forward-looking indicator for where prices. >> i want to play something for you. do we have it? here you are. >> i think we have to

re-establish some kind of gold standard in america. we need to go back to a gold standard, we really do. >> what's your opinion on the gold standard and would you advocate that to president trump? because to make america great, you've got to make the money great again. >> this is about monetary policy. let me just say this. yeah, i like the idea of going to a gold standard and restoring value. >> so, let me respond to that. i think that a gold standard would certainly be better than we have right now but i think there's a much better system that we could put in place that would not just look at gold but all commodities. i think they're a good forward-looking indicator for where prices are going. that's one of the reasons why last summer -- >> so you've changed your mind? >> congresswoman, what's your reaction to that? he said he didn't say what he said and now he's saying he changed his mind. >> right. are you going to believe him or are you going to believe your lying eyes. he said it three times. who knows what he believes at this point. but even if he now believes that

it shouldn't just be gold and it should be a number of commodities, how are we going to choose these commodities? what is it going to be pegged to? not to mention the fact that pegging the fed and monetary rates to commodities going back to the gold standard or whatever takes away a lot of the tools that the fed can use in the case of a recession, and that's something that is not helpful in today's economy. >> so if herman cain right now obviously was possibly -- the president said he wanted to nominate him and it doesn't look like he's going survive the senate vote so it doesn't look like he's going to get into the fed. does cain's likely failure benefit steve moore? do you think steve moore will succeed? >> it shouldn't matter the fact that herman cain was completely unqualified does not make stephen moore any more qualified than he would be otherwise. i still believe he's supremely unqualified and i hope that the banking committee and the senate

agrees. >> so what happens from here in terms of where this goes? >> well, the question is whether the -- whether he will be officially nominated. you know, besides the gold standard, he's -- he wanted the fed to hike interest rates at the beginning of the great recession. you know, he has some issues, i guess, with unpaid taxes and a lien. i'm not sure he's the best candidate. so whether the nomination becomes finalized still remains to be seen. but ultimately he would have to be vetted and confirmed through the senate banking committee. >> all right, congresswoman, i appreciate your time. thanks so much. >> thank you. next, a federal judge takes on president trump and his attack on judges. >> when politicians attack the courts, it's dangerous, political and guilty of egregious overreach. you can hear the klan's lawyers. plus jeanne reading between

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reeves talking about the president's attacks on judges. >> when politicians attack courts, it's dangerous, political, and guilty of egregious overreach. you can hear the klan's lawyers are selling offices of the court across the south. when the powerful accuse the courts of opening up our country to potential terrorists, you can hear the southern manifesto's authors smearing the judiciary for simply upholding the rights of black folk. >> powerful stuff and it's exceedingly rare to hear that commentary. outfront now, joey jackson. he is likening what president trump has done and said to the kkk, how rare is it to hear something like this from a sitting judge? >> it's very rare but at the same time i think there's a pent-up frustration. that frustration is based upon what we're not hearing in terms of rebuking the president for his rhetoric and his dialogue.

as you and i discussed moments ago before we came to air, we heard chief roberts, the chief judge of the court, when trump went after the ninth circuit thinking it's too liberal, roberts said, no, you don't have obama judges, you don't have bush judges, you have judges that protect the integrity of the court system. that needed to be said. i think this judge, again being frustrated, trump has taken over the party. he's not being rebuked by members of his own party. federal judges serve for life. while there are certain regulations and ethical conduct they have to abide by, they don't lose their first amendment right to state their piece. if the president is going to state his first amendment piece, certainly a sitting judge can. >> this judge happens to be a president obama appointee. >> yes. >> when he does something like this, does he feed into the very narrative that the president says exists, which is this partisan. >> i think he feeds into a narrative that you need pushback. mind you, this too. he's only the second black --

only the second black federal judge in mississippi. what year are we in, right? so the fact is, i don't think he feeds into the narrative. i think he feeds into a narrative that enough is enough. we need a federal judiciary that is composed -- that looks like the populous. why is it that you have appointees that are 90% white. the law is the law, erin, but at the end of the day it's the interpretation of that law that matters. it means everything. when i'm in a courtroom arguing my case, the degree to which it's going to be received depends upon the philosophy of the court, the person sitting there. so you need a diversity of judges. i think he did the right thing. >> he pointed out that 90% of the judges appointed by trump have been white. he also mentioned judge curiel, the indiana-born judge that trump said could not be impartial because he was mexican. let me play what the judge said today. >> i know what i heard when federal judge was called very

biased and unfair because he is a mexican heritage, when that judge's ethnicity was said to prevent his issuing fair rulings, questioning the judicial temperament of a man solely because of the color of his skin. i heard those words and i didn't know if i was in 1967 or 2017. >> that's pretty incredible stuff. that is saying the president, what he said, was white supremacy. >> look, it's very compelling. and the fact is that you need pushback. you need people to be reminded that you need a diverse judiciary. you need people to be reminded that the way we're going asailing immigrants, it's a sad state of affairs. if somebody in trump's own party won't say it, perhaps a judge should. and that's what he did. next, jeanne moos blacking out over mueller's report.

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tonight the mueller report almost here. blacked out and color coded. and here's jeanne. >> reporter: prepare to be teased, frustrated, annoyed. >> this is what drives the public crazy. >> reporter: if you prefer the mueller report left to the imagination. >> the redacted version. >> reporter: or maybe you're one of those people -- >> they don't want the reductions. >> reporter: -- to get your hopes set on because attorney general bill barr -- >> he's still busy redacting. >> reporter: redactions while you wait penned one cartoonist. another might cherry pick their conclusions from black bars. redaction of mueller report

halted as barr passes out from sharpie fumes. forget redaction black the way it's usually done. are you ready for a little redaction distraction? it's getting a makeover. >> we will color code the exsises from the report. >> reporter: twitter, tittered imagining a kaleidoscope of redactions. different colors will explain the basis for each redaction, whether it's grand jury testimony or something that would reveal intelligence sources. you can bet one past mistake won't be repeated. when lawyers for paul manafort redacted a court document in a pdf format that allowed the redaction to be lifted. >> so reporters just clicked on the black part and saw the stuff. surely you can figure out how to collude with kinko's. >> reporter: past redactions have been the butt of jokes.

>> when donald trump said it was costing us millions, i didn't know he meant in torn. >> reporter: at least you don't have to read between the lines. >> with a few slight alterations, this would be the new american flag. >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> and thanks for joining us. have a good weekend. anderson starts now: good evening. today cnn learned that the president of the united states asked a top border to break the law and promised him a pardon if he did. we also learned from the president himself who tweeted and spoke about it today that he wants his immigration authorities to do something that they have already told him would be unlawful and that others have called inhumane and extreme, whether it's legal or not. that's on top of new reporting that just days after telling the country he would not close the border for a year, he told officials in private to close it now. put it altogether with long with other recent statements and actions and it raises a number of questions. is this a president who doesn't know the difference between what's legal and not. is this