welcome to unfiltered. here's tonight's headline. it's hoosier versus hoosier. all eyes are on mayor pete buttigieg, who has had quite the week, following a fund-raising haul of $7 million, he surged in the polls. the latest figures from iowa and new hampshire, two early primary states have him in third place behind joe biden and bernie sanders. that's right. a guy whose name most people couldn't pronounce until a couple weeks ago is third in the polls. he's getting a ton of media attention, including an appearance on "ellen" this weekend. he hasn't even officially announced his 2020 candidacy yet. that's expected to happen tomorrow in south bend.

but his biggest news came with his war of words with mike pence over god and marriage. it started at the lgbq lunch. >> if me being gay was a choice, it was a choice made far, far above my pay grade. [ applause ] and that's the thing i wish the mike pences of the world would understand, that if you have a problem who i am, your problem is not with me. your quarrel, sir, is with my creator. [ applause ] >> late this week in an exclusive interview with cnn's dana bash, the v.p. responded this way -- >> i think these quarrels beat

first amendment. all of us in this country have the right to belief. he'd do well to respect the importance of freedom of religion in america. >> that was followed by buttigieg's response on "ellen" yesterday. >> i'm not critical of his faith. i'm critical of bad policies. i don't have a problem with religion. i'm religious, too. i have a problem with religion being used as a justification to harm people, especially in the lgbtq community. i'm not interested in feuding with the vice president, but if he wanted to clear this up, he could come out today and say he's changed his mind, that it shouldn't be legal to discriminate against anybody in this country for who they are. >> and for his part pence defends policies like the religious freedom restoration act as preventing discrimination against people of faith. whom ever you side with, it's an interesting and refreshingly

civil discussion between two men of faith who i think deeply believe what they're saying. buttigieg on the one hand has lived and experienced the very discrimination he attributes to pence's policies. pence on the other is like millions of other christians and muslims and jews in this country who believe marriage should be between a man and a woman. buttigieg's views are in line with his bases and pence will find plenty of report on the religious right. it's a smart strategic decision by buttigieg as he introduces himself for the first time to millions of americans, he engaging millennial voters and it sets him apart in a very crowded democratic field, to great effect as evidenced by those surging poll numbers. but some other polls are important for buttigieg, too. polls on gay marriage, a

majority of people believe marriage should be possible between gay people. a public institute survey of more than 40,000 americans found two-thirds of catholics, christians and protestants are in favor of marriage. in fact, alabama is now the only state in the country where a majority of residents say they oppose same-sex marriage. here's the deal -- america is, in short, moving on from its homophobic past. at someone who has long supported gay rights, my message to republicans has been

unequivocal -- resist this progress at your own peril. but there's another part of the story that's getting less attention and i think it's just as important, if not more so. buttigieg's lgbq message is a good one. it's personal for him, but the other democrats running for president also share his views. what they can't all do is speak personally and convincingly about god. they'll all try, of course, but buttigieg is a destrikeouvoutde unapologetic christian. he speaks fluidly. that's something we haven't seen in a long time from a candidate. 73% of the country is christian. buttigieg is speaking for and two moderates who are maybe turned off by trump's politics of revenge but feel like progressives don't get them either. his message of compassion may very well resonate with those voters. buttigieg is reminding middle america what it sounds like when

a democrat talks positively about god. joining me to discuss, basel smiekel and doug high. so how good has this fight with pence been for pete buttigieg? >> first of all, mayor pete has been phenomenal on the campaign trail. i think this fight with pence is certainly good for his fund-raising because he can show what differentiates him from the other democrats is he's actually having a current fight with this administration in the persona o mike pence. i think what's also interesting, he's not just calling out donald trump, he's actually calling out i think republican hypocrisy. not all republicans, but some republican hypocrisy, particularly next to the iviva evangelicals who sidled next to president trump. and that he justifies his

policies is really dangerous. for mayor pete to do so was within his right. to do that throughout the campaign is only going to be very good for him in bolstering his numbers. >> doug, this high-minded, very polite conversation between two guys who are like "all due respect" "all due respect," can he handle trump the same way or is he going to get sucked into trump's vacuum of name call and all that? >> we hear the word resist from democrats so often. the more they oppose him, the more they act like him. pete has a very different message and a very different messenger. there's also indiana nice. so we see pence and buttigieg

outnice each other. there's so much divisiveness and nastiness, that they can have this conversation i think is uplifting. >> i think buttigieg has a shot at this. it's a long shot but i think he's got a shot. but could he also be setting himself up for veep? he might look pretty great on the ticket as a balance from middle america and of a different -- >> sure, as you talked about from the midwest he presents a good balance to perhaps whoever's at the top of the ticket that may have to be trum of litrump like. but how many candidates are there? you have the same three in biden, maybe bernie, maybe beto in some cases sort of staying at the top three. so, yes, i think he'd be a great

number two. i think he actually may be in many ways representative of the future of the democratic party. >> new two at the polli-- numbe at the polling? >> yes. >> i don't think you hear a lot of candidates talking about god the way pete buttigieg can. i think that's really interesting. and maybe an indication that the gop's stronghold on religion might be over, especially with trump in the white house. >> and there's been a real increase in democratic evangelicalism, especially among african-americans, african-american women and african-american mothers especially. this is an area where he and other democrats, if they're willing to step forward, can make some inroads into democrats. and the other thing i find and anybody who has spent any time around pete buttigieg knew he was cable of this. i've been around him twice.

he was the former president of the harvard institute of politics. i knew three, four years ago this guys a star. just didn't know what it was going to be. to me he's beto o'rourke but with substantial. >> all the beto fans are spelling buttigieg wrong. i think he's the better version. >> and i think what's interesting, according to reporting on cnn's own web site, the sort of not religious is now just as popular as people who identify themselves as catholics. that's really important if you're mike pence and republicans because what you have the ability to do -- it's unfortunate, but what they could end up doing then is sort of painting millennials or painting democrats as sort of being not particularly religious -- >> secular. >> don't have god at the center of their lives and i think that's what mike pence is setting up to do but i don't think that's going to work in the long run. >> guys, sit tight. you're not going anywhere at the moment. next up, champion of the working

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i didn't know that it was a crime to write a good book. which turned out to be a best seller. [ applause ] >> and my view has always been that we need a progressive tax system, which demands that the wealthiest people in this country finally start paying their fair share of taxes. if i make a lot of money, you make a lot of money, that is what i believe. so i don't apologize for writing a book that was number three on "the new york times" best seller, translated into five or six languages and that's that. >> all righty then. current democratic 2020 front-runner bernie sanders during a stop today on his tour of rust belt states responded to this week's revelation that he's a member of the 1%, a group he has spent his political career attacking. bernie's favorite boogeyman, banks, corporations,

millionaires and billionaires now include him. maybe that accounted on the earlier foot dragging on releasing his tax returns, which he now pledges to release ten years by monday, tax day. but will his popularity take a hit if it turns out he's been benefiting from the system he's been against. let me say i don't care one lick that bernie's a millionaire. maasel. good for him. i don't think it's hypocritical. i do wonder if his message is going to ring a little more hollow now? >> i'm not sure. i think his core supporters are going to say good for bernie, it's a big, politicians write books, good for him. i will say this. two things. one in terms of the release of the taxes and on the campaign

trail, he's still got to be able to advocate for all the things he advocated for previously. that's where consistently becomes very important. i will say just a little caveat because i remember 2016 and i remember him and some of his supporters railing against hillary clinton and others making these speeches. whether it's hillary clinton getting paid to talk in front of very influential people or bernie sanders writing a book, it's getting paid for your intellectual capital. i don't have a problem with that. >> no. >> and sometimes sounding like democrats should hate rich people is wrong because there are people that want to be rich, too. we just don't want the system to be rigged. so focus on that. >> you know, as a millionaire i come to expect all politicians are millionaires these days. that's just how it seems. my main problem with bernie's branding has always been that he's not an outsider. he's a career politician. he's been in politics for 30 years. there's nothing outside about him. but what could we learn from these tax returns that might

really shake up his base? i agree. if it's just that he made money from a book, probably not. but are there things in there that could be problematic for him? >> we know he owns several houses. that could potentially be an iss issue. >> what about stocks in some very 1% company? >> if he's invested in montgomery burns nuclear -- >> right, right, right! >> then that's a problem. authenticity is in the eye of the beholder and the eye of the voter. if donald trump can be the great white hope for white evangelicals, thern bernie sanders supporters are not going to get terribly work in unless he invested in globglobotron anl those. >> does he need to come out and say i've benefited from the system and i should pay more taxes. >> he should.

and he better. it does go back to his authenticity. voters tend to forget a liar but not a hypocrite. if he doesn't do those things, he'll seem extraordinarily hypocritical. >> his medicare for all is an expanded version for one he has previously brought up. he virtually eliminates all private health insurance. he has fewer allies than he did two years ago. senator al franken isn't in congress anymore and jeanne shaheen dropped off the bill this year and no new senators have signed on since. does that put him in a tough spot? >> not really because in part i think the american people are where he is. >> and that's what matters. >> that's what matters today. they want to see some movement on this. i thank others that have come before him, hillary clinton and brau barack obama by raising this issue of health care. >> he needs to tell us how he's

going to pay for it, right? >> it's why they took back the house in 2018 is health care, health care, health care being but they've moved so far to the help, it gives democrats and senate republicans -- democrats are saying you won't allowed to have any and that might scare voters. >> you think so? >> i think it might. remember when barack obama kept saying you can keep, you can keep and you couldn't. that was a problem, right? some people wanted to say he lied. i don't think he lied. but voters don't want any surprises on something like health care. it's too important. >> there's going to be a big surprise. the -- what am i trying to say? the price tag is going to be a big surprise. i think there's going to be a lot of sticker shock if we actually get a price tag for some of these huge, huge, sweeping big new government projects like medicare for all or free college for all.

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in the red file tonight, more oversight, more investigations. the house subcommittee plans to subpoena president trump's financial statements from his accounting firm on monday. today how ways and means richard neal issued a ten-day ultimatum to the irs to hand over the president's tax return writing "i am aware concerns have been raised regarding my request and the authority of the committee. those concerns lack merit. i expect a reply from the irs by 5 p.m. on april 23rd, 2019. please know if you fail to comply, your failure will be interpreted as a denial of my request." the house's oversight coincides with attorney general william barr's looming release of the redacted mueller report, expected this coming wooeek.

joining me is democrat steven lynch, a member of the house oversight committee. thanks for joining me. first, on the plans of subpoenaing the financial firm for his taxes, what is the basis for the subpoena? >> when michael cohen testified a few weeks ago, he not only gave oral testimony, he brought three sets of filings, financial reports, that belonged to donald trump and that had been used previously and prepared by mazar usa. so those documents we believe are inconsistent with some other filings that the trump campaign made or the president has made. so much we'd like to find out which are correct, so we've asked for more documents that are related to those three thanksgiving reports we received from mr. cohen. >> turning to the tax return t

ultimatum, you've admitted you've got i don't know exactly zero documents in response. mick mulvaney has said openly democrats will never see the tax returns. what's the plan from your plan if the committee keeps stone walling up through the collection? >> under the revenue act of 1924, mr. neal's committee is named in the statute and he has the right to have the irs deliver those returns to his committee. and then after that point, if the ways and means determines that there's a legitimate basis to share those with the house and senate, then it can do so. but the end of the day, this is going to end up in court. so we've made -- mr. neal's committee has made a request to the irs -- actually to secretary mnuchin, to deliver those tax

returns. this will go before a judge, we think, after, as mr. neal has noted, he interprets the white house response as a refusal, which gives him a reason to go into court. >> got it. okay. so six house committees have opened trump probes. your committee is looking at hush money, trump businesses, security clearances. look, i think oversight is important, super important, but do you worry that this looks to votes are like your priorities are off, that you were elected to legislate and not just investigate? >> well, we can't exempt somebody from the law, right? we have a responsibility to do our jobs and that's what we're doing. i think that with the tax returns it may open up a whole menu of options for oversight, where to focus, but from my committee's standpoint, my subcommittee on national security, we think that the

security clearance issue for mr. kushner and others is very, very, very important. we think the president has repeatedly overridden the basic process and procedure for granting national security clearances. we think he's done so to the detriment of our nation's security. so we have to -- we have to require him to abide by the law. >> i think that's important, too. let me just lastly get you on bill barr. were you satisfied with a.g. bill barr's testimony this week or do you believe, like some of your colleagues, that he is protecting the president? >> well, i can only answer that when i see how much of this report or how much of the 400 pages has been redacted. if it's all blacked out, then obviously, you know, we have to try something different. >> we'll have our answer. >> right, we will. >> congressman, i appreciate your time tonight and always nice to see my hometown in that back drop. i appreciate it. >> thank you.

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possibility, strongly looking at it to be honest with you. california is always saying we want more people. they want more people in their sanctuary cities, well, we'll give them more people. we can give them a lot, an unlimited supply and let's see if they're so happy. >> there are numerous problems with this plan. first and foremost, it's illegal. also, it undercuts trump's own promise to deport illegal immigrants. it would be prohibitively expensive, wouldn't solve any immigration problems and if it ever came to pass, it would likely infuriate his own base. but this isn't the only dumb idea the president has toyed with lately. he's also reportedly suggested denying entry for asylum seekers. again, illegal. even allegedly telling the border patrol chief he'd pardon him if he got in trouble for carrying out his wishes. give him points for creativity but not so much governing.

it was said the government refuses to understand that the department of homeland security is constrained by the laws. i'm joined by boris sanchez from the white house. what's the latest out of washington? >> reporter: same thing, different day, s.e. what i've heard from white house officials is this idea the president consistently brings up strategies or perhaps approaches to immigration that are illegal, not within the purview of the president is part of a theme. it's an approach that the white house has towards policy. some would say it's partly because president trump doesn't really have experience in politics because he doesn't know that legalities of immigration of others as you showed there from a senior administration official suggests that the president simply doesn't care. i've heard this comes up time and time again when it comes to trade, tariffs, foreign policy. the president has an unorthodox

approach. many times that inclination has had to be reined in. the president initial live brought this back up around november, the time of the midterm elections. it didn't go anywhere. it came up again in february and yesterday we had the white house initially put out a statement saying this wasn't a suggestion, it wasn't anything they intend to pursue shortly before president trump came out saying we are strongly considering this as an option. he is obviously the lead here when it comes to immigration policy, followed by stephen miller. it's an issue the president cares about very much so. in his eyes from what i've heard from sources, it's more important to appear aggressive on this issue than to be right legally. that's why you see him offering to pardon the head of customs and border protection if he does follow his orders and break the law by stopping asylum seekers at the border.

he wants to seem aggressive, anti-establishment that many here in washington see as having become stale, s.e. >> boris, thanks. appreciate it. now let's bring in former dnc o dnc coms director and ben hogan. ben, that sunds liounds like so that my dad would suggest. what's the point of politics of revenge? >> they don't look at it as revenge. they say it's a manufactured crisis. you've got 100,000 last month, 4,000 a day, former obama -- secretary said look, over a thousand a day is a crisis.

>> jeh johnson. >> jeh johnson. the democrats say there is no crisis. the point the president is saying if you think it's not a crisis and sanctuary cities work, we'll be happy to send 100,000 to sanctuary cities and you can figure out -- >> but we can't. you have a kid, i have a kid. sometimes i put my kid through exercises to teach him lessons. the president can do that with hundreds of thousands of people -- >> maria, go ahead. >> ben, it's my turn, my turn. >> hi, maria. >> hi, ben. first of all, democrats have always said this is a humanitarian crisis. we have said it's a manufactured crisis when the president wants

to declare a national emergency for something that's not a national security crisis. he does not see immigration as a problem that needs solving, only a solution to his political problems. so when you have the president -- let's just think about this, s.e. two things. the president is treating these migrants as if they were the bubonic plague or a bio-chem weapon to be released into sanctuary cities. if he thinks they're ms-13 gang members and criminals, does he hope they're going to kill american citizens and get back at democrats? >> that's absurd. >>let's think with the president did last week. he offered a pardon to the new head of homeland security for him to break the law. >> let me take it from there.

guys, guys, one at a time, one at a time. i'm in charge here. >> tell ben that. >> let me take that last point that maria made. ben, i'm old enough to remember when you and i would rail against president obama for something we called executive overreach, and this president makes that look downright cuddly. doesn't it bother you that he repeatedly looks for ways to break the law, go around congress and expand the authority of the executive? >> look, i think this president sits in a room and see as big problem with a hundred thousand people coming across the border and sees the democrats' refusal to work with him and admit there's a crisis so he looks at every other option on the table that he can get his hands on. >> but this option isn't on the table. he doesn't have this as an option. >> but he looks at it and says is that an option, is this an option? having a grand debate about this

when you can't get anything done through congress because democrats refuse to do anything or admit there's a crisis at the border. the president has got to think outside the box, he forced to. >> to ben's point, i think it very uncontroversial to say that both parties have enjoyed a broken immigration system, have politically profited on it, both in fund-raising and elections and democrats have not offered a lot of solutions to solve some of these problems. i mean, i can read from "the washington post" just two days ago. "how democrats offer few remedies for border crisis as they plot agenda." in the article, it says the absence of a democratic alternative to trump's harvard line vision reflects how the part should approach immigration policy in the face of trump's open border attacks." isn't it incumbent on democrats to stop saying there is no crisis and actually come forward

with some policy solutions. >> again, they're not saying there's no crisis, they're saying it's a humanitarian crisis. and representative logren and nadler are working on a bill that would address the yiecrisit the border. the bill that was passed to stop the government shutdown, the money for the wall, as well as other things, con it and montai for additional judges and immigration workers. the president said he doesn't even want any more judges. he doesn't even want to allow people in for asylum. >> that's not accurate. >> yes, it is. this president said no when democrats came to him with an immigration bill.

>> it's a spirited debate, i appreciate it and it's a good illustration of how hard this problem is. it would be great to have some adults on both sides of the aisle to solve it. >> agreed. let's get one in the white house. >> maria, ben, we'll be right back. >> thanks, s.e. what would travel sites do if you found a different price? that's not my problem, it's your problem. book at hilton.com and get the hilton price match guarantee. what do you look for i want free access to research. yep, td ameritrade's got that.

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if you were like me, you were astonished this week to see the first ever photographs of a black hole in space. it has a name now. poawe. an embellished dark source of unending creation. doesn't exactly roll off the tongue but more terrestrial matters, congress doesn't get the president's pitch for a

space force. on capitol hill this week, acting defense secretary patrick shanahan drew skepticism as he appeared in front of the senate armed services committee to pitch the much touted sixth branch of the u.s. military. while senators agree the u.s. military presence in space is essential, many questioned whether it would mean more money, more bureaucracy. few things get me as excited as space talk. someone who shares my passion is presidential historian douglas brinkley, "american moon shot: jfk and the great space race" congratulations, debuting number ten on the "new york times" best seller list. clearly still a great interest in space exploration thankfully but how is the way trump taps into that excitement different than past presidents? >> i teach at rice university in houston where on september 12th,

1962, john k. kenedy said we choose to go to the moon not because it's easy but because it's hard and that speech of kennedy's still loved by people that are rocket engineers but what you hear going on with donald trump and the space force, i think he liked the idea of reagan's star wars, just likes the sound of space force but it's going to be pretty much a non-starter because army, navy, marines and air force don't want to lose appropriations. they don't want to start sharing the space budget with yet a brand-new branch of the armed forces. >> jfk as you mentioned tied space exploration to this overt, almost hyperpatriotism. i wonder how that would go over today. what do you think? >> you know, it might. i just criticized space force of

donald trump, but vice president pence's idea, can we go back to the moon in four or five years speech he gave about two weeks ago in huntsville, that's plausible, that might work to spur for that will be china because china is going to the dark side of the moon and he might be able to get a competition to go back in, after all, kennedy said we'll put the first man on the moon. we have yet to have a woman on the moon and that would be a big thing if the united states did that because many women are now astronauts. when back in the kennedy era, there were 13 women trained but not allowed to go into space. >> so president obama mentioned he was criticized, even by astronauts like neila armstrong for underfunding. the orion. is our investment in space returning, do you think, when compared to past presidents? >> that's a great question, s.e. in the mid '60s, the kennedy effect, nasa getting 4.4% of our

annual budget. today, you're dealing with nasa getting a third of 1%. so if the trump administration is serious about going into space in new ways, it's going to cost money. there used to be a saying around nasa in the early '60s, no bucks, no buck rogers. the apollo program cost $25 billion. that's $185 billion in today's money. >> you know, the summer is the 50th anniversary of the moon landing and all kinds of fun events around the country. there's an apollo palooza and boomers had apollo and the moon landing. my generation had the challenger, unfortunately. millennials, the mars rover. what will the next generation have, quickly? >> mars. i think buzz aldrin's alive and well. he's been saying the new moon shoot is a mars shot. if we went back to the moon, a steppingstone to get to mars and

needs to be human space flight, not robotic. >> that would just be so exciting. thanks, doug. the new book is called "american moon shot: john k. kennedy and the great space race." thank you for putting that all into historical perspective. up next, democratic candidate beto o'rourke with an amazing extended interview on "the axe files." don't go anywhere. to be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing it's best to make you everybody else... ♪ ♪ means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. does this sound dismal? it isn't. ♪ ♪ it's the most wonderful life on earth. ♪ ♪

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tonight on "the axe files," one on one with presidential candidate beto o'rourke. >> if we're not having our priorities, we'll fail with donald trump. this cannot be about one man or another political country but about the country. >> taking on president trump at the border. >> what we need is someone who will not play games or politics with people's lives or the security of the country. >> city council to congress or the national political spotlight. >> i was frustrated to be honest with you that that was the -- >> welcome to the nba, man. >> yeah. >> welcome to "the axe files." >> beto o'rourke, so good to be with you, here in el paso, the historical plaza theater. did your band ever play here? you ever play this thousand seat? >> we were lucky to play a street corner with a small bar but never the plaza theater but it's an honor to be