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about the trump/fox feedback loop. first let's talk about something that has been in the headlines for days now. let's talk about where controversies come from. you probably heard a lot about congresswoman ilhan omar this week. do you know why? controversies don't erupt like a bolt of lightning sparking a fire. no. controversies are created like a arsonist lighting a match. too often our coverage in the media and on line starts mid story. we say there is a controversy brewing between these two people. but we leave out the most important part, the lighting of the match. let's look at how the omar 9/11 controversy started and how it is being framed. last month she gave a speech focusing on protecting american civil liberties. her speech wasn't really picked up. last week, the daily caller picked up on omar's reference to

the 9/11 hi jackers. she said quote some people did some while arguing that all muslims should not be punished for the action of a few. then an australian man who calls himself a muslim skplar and is active on twitter sets the frame for a week's worth of news conference. the framing is that omar was down playing 9/11. his tweet took off and spread the right wing website. it was all over the sites by tuesday. then on tuesday night sean hannity brought the video to television. he cuffed it on tuesday night. th fox and friends was all over it. brian kill immediate was questioning omar's patriotism. this went on and on for days and days. then on thursday, this was the cover of the new york post. some people did something. four words. probably not the best choice of words. it is easy for me to sit here before we go, a note on the and say i would have chosen

different words. speed back loop. the point is that this controversy was created. president trump on lou do dobbs the construction of the frame, the other night. omar down plays 9/11, is a key part of the story. these viral videos and tweets the poll had the president at are how we argue about the future of america. 43%. he tweeted out to the public. but so much of it is based in even after dobbs corrected the bad faith. record, the tweet is still up on these outrage cycles corrupt us. that twitter page. omar's comment was used as a sara, this really shows lou weapon against her, including by dobbs influence with the trump president trump who pinned this white house. he was calling for the dhs anti-omar video to the top of second to be fired, a week and a his twitter page. half later, he's out. trump as video is what propelled >> it shows how trump can this story all way to the elevate the voices of not the nightly news. now it is being framed as trump most powerful fox hosts. versus omar. some critics say trump is lou dobbs has a show on fox putting her life in danger. business, which does its thing, and the president of the united but there is something bigger states comes out and trumpets going on here with this story. this false report to the entire it tells us something about world. when lou dobbs corrects it, right wing rage machine and how trump doesn't. i think we talked earlier what news stories are set. the history of the united states is a tug-of-war over who belongs would have been shocking is if and who is equal and who has trump had corrected it. power. it is the biggest story of all. >> not as popular as i thought. those of us in the press

>> that would be shocking. >> it does really. oftentimes cover this in tiny the point here, someone like lou discrete bits. we put a small frame on the dobsz has his show. and the president is a loyal viewer, and he creates a much biggest story. i think we do a better job when we wide in and way out. bigger audience for that message. >> lou dobbs show might have a part of widening out is showing few hundred viewers a night. where does the controversy come from? how was it katied in the first when you have a presidential mega phone attached, you get so place? who created it? much more air time that way. who stands to benefit from it >> thank you all for joining us this week on the program. being created? and who stands to lose, who stands to suffer? what's coming up on our reliable these are the big questions i think we should be asking when sources newsletter. a lot of news coming up this there are these eruptions that happen. let's do that. week, "game of thrones" coming let's bring in an all star panel to talk about this. walid shall eid is with the up tonight. the pulitzers announced. justice democrats, representi -. sign up for our nightly newsletter at reliable sources.com. craig foreman is being sued by representative devin nunes, we'll have that interview on our walid, you have been outspoken about the way the omar story has website as well. join us here next week for more reliable sources. taken off. as i described it started in new whole blends ginger recovery. right wing media almost a week blended with purpose, for fragile hair.

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at the end of the day it is a tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, divide and conquer strategy to or have flu-like symptoms or sores. ensure that nobody comes don't start humira if you have an infection. together. the american people don't come together to tax them. want more proof? ask your dermatologist about humira. >> you are telling a big story here about a specific event that this is my body of proof. happened this week. >> yeah. >> you are saying it is about a larger political motivation? >> exactly. it is common sense why people on top in society want people on the bottom to be divided so they can survive. there is a second reason this is happening which is that the right wing media machine know omar, talib, ocasio cortez have we humans are strange creatures. been targets because it is a other species avoid pain divide and conquer strategy because they know the democratic and struggle. leadership will be slow in their we actually... seek it out. response or sometimes dismisof other species do difficult things of these leaders because of because they have to. their significant disagreements we do difficult things. because we like to.

with the three progressive women of color on medicare for all -- we think it's... fun. >> on the issues. introducing the all-new 2019 ford ranger >> youia, on the issues. this he know that nancy pelosi and hoyer and schumer will not built for the strangest of all creatures. come out swinging for hymn them and fighting and advocating for them. it makes sense where bernie sanders and elizabeth warren were the first independent could of national level democratic leaders to take this issue on. >> that's a view from the let how the media machine works. matt lewis what is your view? >> right. i do think we have to put this in context. ilhan omar has said things likes jews hypnotized the world. like if you are an american politician who supports israel it is all about the benjamins. she has played on some very anti-semitic stereotypes just in the last couple of months. now she goes and gives this speech and see says something, that some people did something.

i don't know whether that was just her being like a little bit tone deaf or inconsiderate. i am willing to believe it is her being clumsy or inartful. in term of putting it in context there is a reason why conservatives and people in the media didn't give her the benefit of the doubt over this one. it is because she injected herself into the conversation by saying thingsic are anti-semitic. are people exploiting that? does donald trump want to create a culture war about this? does he benefit from that? i think he does. should we be talking in the media so much about a freshman congresswoman? i think it has something to say about the celebritization of politics. they are out there tweeting saying interesting controversial all of you. things. that's good for business. how you live, it's good for the cover of a what you love. that's what inspired us to create tabloid in new york. >> a very honest statement from america's most advanced internet. varny the other dade, look, aoc internet that puts you in charge. is good for our ratings at that protects what's important. information news and fox

business, that's why we talk it handles everything, about her all the time. and reaches everywhere. honesty from varny. this is beyond wifi, this is xfi. isn't this all, carol, about negative partisanship, meaning simple. easy. awesome. xfinity, the future of awesome. the way president trump motivate their base or the way omar note rate is their base, to foster the differences between the other side. >> i disagree obviously with some of what matt said and also what with my friend here on the above the law? left also said. senior administration officials also because they attacked her because they didn't believe said president trump said he would pardon a top official if pelosi would come out. he ever goes to jail. this is a much longer >> let's see if they have open conversation in this country arms. >> we'll talk to jerry nadler about power. donald trump, right wring, their and senate homeland security strategy, how he won in 2016, committee member rick scott. president trump attacks there are multiple studies that showed their whole strem was ilhan omar for her controversial about stoking fear and dividing americans. when we talk about a 9/11 comments with an

when we talk about -- there are inflammatory video. now democrats are coming to her these dog whistle flash points they continue to go to. donald trump is the way, a numbf media folks admitted -- he's go bait. it sells papers, right? i mean it is good fodder. but i think we don't want to get distracted from what is happening here which is, yes, trump is trying to sick to his base, to stake racial resentment. and as a, noer and somebody who was in new york on 9/11 it is really appallings because he did endanger her life. and i remember the time immediately after 9/11 where we had a president who i didn't agree with on much, but who actually used the billy pulpit to say, this is not a war against muslims. instead, we have a president who is using all of his resources to essentially scapegoat black and

brown people as part of a political strategy. and we see a very just unsettling symbiosis between right wing media and the president where they sort of act as an arm of the things that he -- you know, this hate machine. >> speaking of that, this cover of the new york post. >> yes. >> the cover of the new york post is a great example. was it ethical to run this cover? >> no. it was absolutely unethical. but that's an example of how you know how unsettling it is. and the new york post obviously is not a serious journalist newspaper, right? it's one of the reasons they call it the rags. >> they have got real reporters. this break news. i don't think -- >> but a cover like that says we are not going to take jurm journalism seriously. we are just going to just attack and basically feed into attack. matt i really take issue with the fact that yes, omar said

some thing i don't agree with. she apologized and was willing to sort of learn that maybe some of the tropes that she was repeating weren't appropriate. but when you endanger her life -- >> come on. >> if you take the full context she was talking about about 9/11, and how muslim americans were endangered after 9/11. >> 3,000 people were killed there and she said some people did some thing. >> muslims died that day, too, by the way. >> i am willing to believe she was inartful and clumsy. but she was not being eloquent there talking about americans who died. i understand why some people took offense at that. >> but you also understand why they elevated that. they elevated it to stoke racism and fear. you know that. >> she's a 40-year-old member of congress who is in the arena. if she says something controversial she has every right to be challenged. not doing so i think would be wrong. >> you think endangering her

life is challenging? >> how is her life in danger by challenginger had? what if there is a debt threat against me because you criticized me. >> the president of the united states of america took a -- you know, a sort of doctored clip and tweeted it out. he used hess platform to put out misinformation that would -- we knew it would stoke fear and stoke hatred. >> trump is a horrible person. what about all the things -- what about all the people who say -- a person running for president today said that president trump colluded with russia. there are going to be death threats toward the president. should that person not be allowed to criticize donald trump. >> i think it is different when we are talking about racial tropes, the way the president used that in 2016 to win this election, which by the way we

also know the russians were very interested in exploiting those fractures. when we have a president who uses his platform not to solve policy problems like immigration not to heal the nation and say islamophobia is wrong. no, he stokes those flames and those fares. >> i am not going to defend donald trump, i never defend donald trump. but ilhan omar attacked president bush the guy you said went out of his way to go to mosques and try to calm things downar after 9/11. she sent out tweet. it is hard to tell what she means by her crypting tweeting. but it seems like she was attacking george w. bush. >> i wish she would give interviews not just tweet. i know twitter is powerful but i wish she would come on and give some interviews. there other conversation i

want to show from this week. a cover from the new york post saying about those who wanting to talk about the asylum seekers, you take them. and the l.a. times saying okay we will take them. >> this is what the daily caller and trump both want is to say that omar and trump are doing the same things. omar was taking sides saying muslims were being painted with a broad brush being punished by terrorist attacks competed by a few people. and trump saying he wants to get rid of all muslims all together but fox news wants to feed into this thing saying both sides are saying ridiculous things. one man is the president of the united states, the other is a freshman woman of color in congress the first muslim ever

elected into congress. the corner store owners here in new york city are going to go on strike and not allow the new york post to be served in their restaurant. >> they announced over the weekend they are not going to sell the new york post in their stores. we seen it in the past. sometimes it can be effective. >> right after donald trump, you had yemeni muslims coming out into the streets claiming this country was theirs. to weaponize 9/11 in this way is the same way that people who were trying to drum the -- beat the war drum for the iraq war were doing in kinds of unnecessary ways. i think the parts of 9/11 we should remember are the way people came sogt, were in solidarity with one another through a hard time. i don't think the way trump characterizes it is right. to get back to what karen said. i had numerous mugs limbs reaching out to me saying how

disappointed they were in the democratic response. they say we are the most diverse congress ever and then they don't back me up. >> there is an interesting split. i agree, it is a news worthy split. >> the democratic leadership is a i frayed of conflict, afraid of controversy. but this is not going away. this is a battle -- omar represents the cup becoming a multiracial democracy in the way that it has been a long for a long time, the way it has been thwarted by forces in this country that want the divide and conquer us. she becomes a character in the new rising -- >> there were african-american leaders in congress, this is the way we push forward. that was the point i was trying to make, historically, it is a long historic battle for the balance of power.

you have a media corporation like the conglomerate that is fox news and the new york post under rupert murdoch that found a way to weaponize information and monetize the process. >> the battle is going to continue. walid, matt, karen, thank you for being here and setting us up this morning. next we are talking about the media's fascination with this indiana mayor. i will love a interviewer of pete buttegeig what she learned. and what left devin nunes scrambling for a lawyer. all money managers might seem the same,

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ookz. pete buttegeig is about to go from exploring the presidential run to actually running. his campaign is historic for a few reasons, including this one. the united states has never had someone go from being mayor to being president. maybe we never will. but thanks to the collapse of media and political gatekeepers it is more conceivable than it used to be. have you ever heard of the name larry agram? probably not. he was the mayor of irvine, california, until 1992 when he tried to run for the democratic

nomination for president. media kept him out of the debates. irvine was the same size back then as south bend indiana is now, 100,000 people. that's where mayor pete is from. things were different in the early '90s. no social media, no worldwide web, only this one cable news channel in 1992. steve kornacki wrote to compare what agram endured as a candidate then to what pete buttegeig has experienced now is to address how the ecosystem has been revolutionized and what the revolution has made possible. this is one of the up sides of the media playing field, more candidates are able to get in the race. with pete buttegeig announcing his run, let me bring in lydoli,

the author of this article in the "new york times." is media seems to be talking about him a whole lot. >> i think anyone giving him a platform right now at the early stage in this primary is trinitying to the mayhem around him. so the magazine is as culpable as any other outlet. but the piece explores what is the source of all this excitement. he's having this moment. and what does it mean to have a moment? it seems like in some ways he has been preparing for it his entire life. he is kind of this walking cover letter on a resume. and i think it is very interesting. and so much of the media and mayhem around him i think it comes from two different places. on the one hand people are nervous about reliving 2016. we don't want to have the same debates and same conversations

with the same people once again because many people feel a sense of fatigue since 2016. he is new. nobody heard from him other than the last couple of months. i think his campaign has been savvy, going access to whoever asked for it. >> that's a key point. he has been giving so many interviews from the pod to the view. >> he talked about books. or what he can't live without. it is like nobody else is that accessible right now. i think that kaunts counts for a lot. it makes a big difference i think in how much attention you get at an early stage if you are available for comment for an interview. >> he seems wholesome, he seems sincere. you spent time with him. does he seem like the real deal. >> i don't know how -- only he knows if he is truly wholesome

or sincere. but i think he is a very intelligent person, very thoughtful. and it doesn't seem like he is phony. i'll say that. >> he so your piece is up on ny. actually people can check it out. >> yes. >> i did wanted to get your take on some other news this week. it's about the president versus the "new york times." trump's tweets about the media keep getting more and more hateful. last night he claimed that the "new york times" reporting about sanctuary cities, was quote knowing had he wrong in almost every pack they never call to check for truths. he is claiming the "new york times" doesn'tz for comments. maggie abrams responded saying poelt us needs to check in wi with -- boat us needs to check in with his press staff more often.

-- what's going on here? why is it the president would ever claim that a major news outlet wouldn't ask for comment. >> we all know that's journalism 101? >> right, you said it put sarah huckabee sanders in a bind. it would have put her in a bind if it mattered whether the president for the press secretary told the truth. you can think back to bob woodward's book, fear, when it turns out he had asked several different people around the president for an interview with the president and nobody gave it to him. and it turned out that nobody even asked trump if he wanted to talk to bob woodward. i think there is a lack of communication that maggie got to in her response on twitter when she said he should check in with his press team or they with him. i think people around the president are nervous to approach him with a bad story that might be coming out. they don't want to upset him. >> ahh right. >> a lot of times he is not that

accessible to them. even if he is around them, he is doing his own thing. he is rattling about what is on his mine and people around him are nervous and don't feel comfortable even those people who are closest to him right now in the white house. >> in his attacks on twitter calling the press corrupt and all these other nasty words, he does seem worried about something. i don't know if it is the mueller report but he does seem to be inoculating his fans about news reporting in a way that keeps get uglier. i suppose i shouldn't be surprised anymore right. >> he has been doing it consistently. i don't know if i buy he does it more in lead up to some sort of damaging event he is fearing. i think sometimes it is out of boredom. he doesn't have an enemy. he is not running against anybody in particular right now. the 2020 election is not yet getting started. so he's kind of sitting around and looking for a fight to pick. >> sad.

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website, wikileaks is a hostile non-state intelligence service working to undermine western values. they are sayingest he's an enemy. technically he is not being charged with publishing anything. he is being charged with something specific, conspiracy to commit computer intruing. the charge dates back to 2010. here's a quote. it says on or about march 8, 2010 assange agreed to assist in cracking a password. then bradley manning, now chalsy manning was working with assange. the two people were talking on the internet about this effort and the allegation here is that assange helped crack a pass word. now that's not something a journalist would do. so there are concerns about whether this case, however, could have damaging effects for journalists, for major newsrooms. let's talk about that with ryan grim, the dc bureau chief for "the intercept," and bradley moss, a national security

lawyer. ryan, is it fair to say "the intercept" is sympathetic to leak and supportive of wikileaks over the years? >> we are supportive of press freedoms. >> and sometimes sympathetic to wikileaks. your site has a war of wikileaks banner on the home page? >> right. there are all sorts of battles we have had with wikileaks over the years which would bore the heck out of viewers. >> wikileaks changed n. 2010, when it was obtaining this information from classified information and publishing it journalists were eager to receipt the content and interested in what this new era of transparency is all about. is that fair? a decade ago? >> right, and he was exposing war kprims and government lies at the time in a way that was exciting and also won awards for all of the different news outlets that collaborated with him. it didn't actually lead to judicial accountable for any of the people that participated in the war crimes. but it did at least expose them

publicly. you know, the apache helicopter that killed a dozen baghdadis, including two journalists is just one example. >> at the time, in 2010, when he was doing that, i interview asanction when i was working at the "new york times." this was filmed for a documentary. excuse my messy desk. here's what assange told me on the phone that day. >> is journalist a word you attach to yourself? >> it is a word i attach to myself. >> okay. >> it is fair to say that i am also -- if i had to choose between the two i would choose the values of activism. >> so assange is saying if he has to choose he would call himself an activist not a journalist. does that come into play with what is happening under the indictment. >> do you view the indictment as a threat to press freedoms. it is a threat, no question.

it doesn't division between journalists and non-journalists. and they have resisted attempts at licensing screams for that reason because the government will license journalists it approves of and say okay yes they have freedom of the press that they are not real low going to employ in a way that threatens us. and everybody else is not a journalist and can be punished. yes, this is a threat to press freedom particularly in the way that the department of justice has kind of convinced the press in its reporting of this to kind of slit it own throat by kind of taking the wofrt of the justice department. they put hacking in the title of the press release but it doesn't appear in any of the indictment. but all of the news courage around it is oh, assange is not a journalist, he is a hacker. but that's not the case. he was engaged in source protection. >> keep in mind when they say

hacking it has nothing to do with the 2016 election. >> they are exploiting the people's ignorance and the press's ignorance aren't computer technology. they went hunting they could find in the public's mind that could distinguish julian assange from the rest of the journalism. obama administration couldn't find it. they went after whistle blowers and press freedom relentlessly. they concluded they could not come up with anything that sufficiently distinguished assange from other journalists. the only thing that that changed mike pompeo and donald trump wanted to go after assange. they came up with this. which isn't new. we have known about this since chelsea manning's trial. we have known about the pass word code cracking. the press is falling on it

differently this time around. >> how do you see it? >> when it comes to whether or not julian assange is a journalist, i have made it clear that i don't view him as a journalist. but from a criminal liability standpoint i never want any government deciding that. on that, ryan and i probably stand side by side even though we won't on most other issues. if this indictment had been about just publishing the materials that were leaked by chelsea manning then i would opposed to it. but the way the indictment is written, it is not the most clear indictment, there are fuzzy details about the nature of the unauthorized intrusion and whether or not giving manning the pass word if assange had been successful would have granted him additional accesses but the way the indictment is written is it is focusing on something that goes beyond what journalists are trained to do. journalists do not pay sources, do not hack systems, they did not crack locks of houses for them to get into to give them additional information. that is what as it is currently written assange is accused of

having done. the details will come nut if the trial if he is extra died. >> ryan. >> it appears in the indictment that ryan was trying to crack a password so he could get an anonymous account so he could look for war crimes without exposing his own identity. i think the indictment actually said that. it reads it would have made it more difficult for investigators to identify manning as the source. that's what the d.o.j. is saying assange was doing is trying to mask the identity of his source, which is what journalists do and should do and must ethically do all the time. we teach sources how to use encryption. we teach sources how to download central. we -- you know, we scrub metadata, we do all sorts of other things in order to prevent the identity of the source from being known to the people who would put them in prison. we are therefore, coo intrude into a compute network

by doing that . if the government has more evidence that assange actually hacked or was trying to hack into areas that man asking not have access to, that's a different question. but they don't have that. the bigger point is that none of this is going to be viewed with the you. >>ance that we are bringing to it by authoritarian governments around the cup. what they are going the see oh, the u.s. is cracking down on press freedom. we can crack down on press freedom. they are not parsing the indictment to see whether or not he was gaining access anonymously or gaining access to additional elements of it. what they see is what it is, an assault on press freedom. they are going take that around the world. we haven't gotten to the extradition point, the most dangerous. a lot of the things i published breaks laws in china, the you united arab emirates. these countries have power over interpol. why can't they arrest me and other journalist as we travel and say the u.s. violated assange who is not an american

citizen for violating american laws. we want to arrest these journalists and let them face trial in our country. >> every country is going to take every spin and view they want about this. the united states doesn't have to make its law enforcement decisions based on what other countries may do. no matter the information released it doesn't give him the authority, the immunity to break the password to give manning access which he did not have. one that's not just encrypting. it is giving him access to information he did not have. >> we didn't know that. >> it is in the indictment, that he didn't in administrator privilege. >> there is more we need to find

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who wants the buy the "national enquirer"? american media is selling the scandal plagued tabloid. the company's ceo david pecker, he's offloading the tabloid. according to the "washington post" it is partly due to pressure from the hedge fund that has a controlling stake in pecker's company. the enquirer of course is under scrutiny for its scoop about jeff bezos's life life. federal prosecutors are looking into the amend kroeft's allegations that ami tried to blackmail and extort him. sarah fisher joins me now. what happened? the hedge fund owner of the enquirer you say became disgusted by the tabloid's

tactics? hasn't the enquirerer been buying scoops for decades? >> it is important look at the time line. they discussed -- the board of ami first started talking about maybe doing something with the "national enquirer" in august. and that is when ami was talking about setting up this none prosecution agreement with federal prosecutors. >> they weren't going to prosecute. >> they were going the cohe operate. that is a moment when there is a lot of risk for the company. they are about to be indicted and they come up with this agreement. which is great. then not long afterwards they come out with the jeff bezos story which is blockbuster and everyone is reading it. except for the alleged extortion attempt then makes people who is in charge of chatham management who controls the "national enquirer" to head shaking saying how could you possibly do this

now when we are already under so much scrutiny and so much risk because now the prosecutors have to go back and see how that attempt, what jeff bezos says is an he can torsion attempt puts the company again at legal risk. i think that sent him to every the edge. >> it is a quog myer, a legal quog myer of sorts. none of custom relates to actual journalism. >> correct. >> all of these allegations about a saudi arabia connection and a white house connection, all of this stuff from jeff bezos the federal prosecutors are looking into. it is a mess for the owners. >> it is a mess for the owners and they want to get out of that. >> they want to get out. right? we will see if they can sell it. a quick break here. much more with sarah and more reliable sources in just a moment. -welcome to our complete freedom plan. -it's all possible with a cfp professional. ♪ -find your certified financial planner™ professional at letsmakeaplan.org.

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