woman: this is your wake-up call. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock.

prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. vo: humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. woman: help stop the clock on further irreversible joint damage. talk to your rheumatologist. right here. right now. humira. right here. right now. ♪ ♪

book now and enjoy free unlimited open bar and more. norwegian cruise line. feel free. the new york times reporting she was not persuaded. there's a lot to get to.

>> officially a presidential candidate joe biden came out swinging today going right after president donald trump. >> we can't forget what happened in charlottesville. >> in his video announcement, biden focussing on trump's response to the 2017 deadly clash in charlottesville, virginia. between white nationalists and counter protestors. >> very fine people on both sides? with those words the president of the united states assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hates and those with the courage to stand against it and in that moment i knew the threat to this nation was unlike any i had ever seen in my lifetime. >> if we give donald trump 8 years in white house he will forever and fundamentally alter the character of this nation, who we are and i cannot stand by and watch that happen. >> biden faces a few potential

head winds including his age, possibly becoming the oldest president ever elected and his centrist politics and historically diverse and crowded field becoming more progressive. >> one of biden's first stops will be a philadelphia fund-raiser where event organizers hope to raise $500,000. >> i have confidence in his leadership but i have known him quite awhile. >> the former vice president begins his campaign with a number of endorsements including senator bob casey of pennsylvania, and doug jones of alabama. president obama who said he has no plans to endorse anyone right now did praise biden through a spokesperson that said quote president obama has long said that selecting joe biden as his

running mate in 2008 was one of the best decisions he ever made. >> i asked president obama not to endorse and he doesn't want to -- we should, whoever wins this nomination should win it on their own merits. >> another president also weighed in. president trump writing about the race in a tweet, quote it will be nasty. you will be dealing with people that truly have very sick and demented ideas but if you make it i'll see you at the starting gate. >> we have more breaking news on how joe biden spent his first day on the campaign trail including the time he spent on the phone. >> i understand you have news about a conversation that joe biden had about the mother of heather heyer. >> that's right. he made that video, the centerpiece of the video, the

clashes in charlottesville and tonight at a fund-raiser here in philadelphia just down the road behind me, joe biden actually mentioned to donors that he spoke with the mother of heather, the young woman killed in the clashes with protestors. i asked a spokesperson to elaborate and offer details about when that happened today. they declined to comment but biden in that fund-raiser he was touting many of the same themes he mentioned in the video saying this was a battle for the soul and taking on president trump's response directly. say that he's never heard of a president talk that way since the civil war. this is something that you'll hear biden come to over and over again during his campaign. >> it's interesting because i talked to her around 4:45 today and she said she had not heard from vice president biden so if that is accurate it must have

been after that talk i had with her. what can you tell us about the fund-raiser he held tonight? what details are you getting about it? >> well, i was inside that fund-raiser and this was his first fund-raiser of his campaign. it was held at the home of david cohen, an executive from comcast who also had quite a few members from the pennsylvania congressional delegation there including bob casey. there were several dozen donors there to hear from the vice president directly. beforehand we saw him shaking hands and mingling with people but there were several moments that were key. he talked about charlottesville and also talked about the concern that the nation is at a point and that all the values of this country were at stake. something we'll hear from him more and more. >> looking ahead, what are his campaign stops going to be? the first ones, what is his focus going to be in the first few weeks. >> on monday we'll see him at

his first official campaign event in pittsburgh. that's going to be an event focused on union working class voters and then quickly we'll see him doing this tour of the country. you're going to see him in iowa, south carolina, new hampshire, he's going to head out west to nevada. also to california and then the culmination of this roll out is supposed to be in philadelphia on may 18th. the campaign stressing that it's the birth place of democracy and they say it's going to be a moment for biden to show how he can unite the divided country. >> thank you. let's dig deeper now. they're cnn political commentators. what do you make of how the vice president decided to launch his campaign. basically framing it as the new york times points out as an a t anti-trump version of make america great again? >> well, i think that it's interesting in the sense that i think that he chose something

that in his campaign video he is focussing on charlottesville in particular which is obviously taking the race issue head on which is something very important to democratic voters, particularly progressive voters. i think the problem with it is that he is kind of harkening back to a time where it was better in the minds of all democrats but it's still going backwards. it's not going forward. it's going back to a time where even among progressives when you spend time with them what you'll hear is barrack obama was wonderful but he didn't go far enough whanch enough. >> what do you make of that criticism? which a number of people said rather than laying out a distinct vision for the country's future biden was saying he would restore things to where they were before president trump took office. >> if this video was the totality of this announcement i'd say i wanted more.

i wanted to know more about his own ambulancplans, his own hist own story. people know joe biden across the country but they don't know a lot about what he has done and the issues he cares passionately about. they need to do more to tell that story and they certainly will. >> i'm wondering what you make of it and david axelrod was saying he thought what biden was trying to do was look beyond the primary and raise the stakes sending the message that this was about -- i'm the person to take on president trump and not have it be about all the issues which obviously for democrats in the primary are the focus. >> well, that's exactly correct, anderson. look, just where the president starting his campaign tonight in philadelphia with a fund-raiser on monday in pittsburgh trying to frame himself as a pennsylvanian and that he can win pennsylvania because it's one of the states that the democrats need to take back to take back the presidency but the vice president faces an uphill

climb there because he has this purity versus pragmatism issue in terms of will he be pure enough for democrats in terms of all the progressive ideas or is he going to try to be pragmatic and appeal to voters in pennsylvania because i'd submit to you that the voters that the current president won over from the democratic party, they're not big fans of the message the green new deal and free college. they're traditional old school, you know, reagan democrats that are very conservative, catholic, pro-life, pro-gun and the bulk of the candidates right now are selling is not what joe biden needs to sell in pennsylvania in order to win. >> biden reached out to anita hill to express his regret over, quote, what she endured while testifying. what he didn't say to her according to the reporting was that he was sorry for what he put her through. was that a missed opportunity? this is just one of several potential missteps in his past

or things from his past that make look different in the light of today and that he's going to have to face. >> for one thing it doesn't look different in the light of today. it was bad when it happened. i was just out of college. i remember it. it was a very, very upsetting time and it's something that a lot of women do remember. he speaks about it where he was help leslie watching it where he was in charge of what was going on and i wish he would have realized a long time agatha he didn't handle that well and he would have tried to make amends and apologize and try to get involved in addressing that issue which is so important to so many people men and women regardless of political party.

now that said i don't know that this stops his candidacy. i just think it's disappointing. >> does it make any sense that biden would ask president obama not to endorse him? frankly i understand why president obama would not want to endorse anybody at this stage but it does seem hard to fathom. >> i would be surprised if he endorsed anyone this year or endorsed anyone in the primary early next year. i think joe biden knows that and has long known that. he does want to hook himself to the successes they worked together on over the course of 8 years. they also know and i think this was something that president obama i have no doubt advised

him on that there are mistakes that the democrats have made in the past including that they were involved in. if there was a view that they put their finger on the scale too early in the clinton sanders primary and they were upset about that and even leading up to the general election. they both know that voters need to coeless behind the democratic nominee when that person is selected and that's the most important moment. >> but anderson, to me it's very possible that biden blurted out in a conversation with president obama, i just want you to know, i don't expect -- i don't want you to endorse me. not that the president was about to or anything. >> look, if barrack obama thought that joe biden was a suitable stand in for him, why not now? why not now? >> because, david, i think barrack obama is a savvy

politician looking around and sees 20 plus candidates. >> i think he's worried about his own legacy. >> many that have excited wings of the party. he wants nothing more than to defeat donald trump but he also knows that if members of the party who are supporting other candidates feel like their voice doesn't count, their vote doesn't count and he's stepping on that, that does damage and hurts the party in the fight against trump. >> but if he were good enough to be the president for president obama. if he looked across the field of potential vice presidents. >> you could make the argument that people are made better by running for the gauntlet of a primary and they have become better candidates at the end of it. >> and you can believe that joe biden didn't ask obama. we'll both believe those things. >> i'm not saying that i didn't believe it. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> thanks, anderson. a lot more ahead tonight including the russian investigation. white house efforts to keep the former white house council from testifying to congress. sarah sanders first press conference in weeks but just

wait until you see who she is briefing. every day, visionaries are creating the future. so, every day, we put our latest technology and unrivaled network to work. the united states postal service makes more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. ♪ e-commerce deliveries to homes oh! oh! oh! ♪ ozempic®! ♪ (announcer) people with type 2 diabetes are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it.

oh! under seven? and you may lose weight. in the same one-year study, adults lost on average up to 12 pounds. oh! up to 12 pounds? a two-year study showed that ozempic® does not increase the risk of major cardiovascular events like heart attack, stroke, or death. oh! no increased risk? ♪ oh, oh, oh, ozempic®! ♪ ozempic® should not be the first medicine for treating diabetes, or for people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. do not share needles or pens. don't reuse needles. do not take ozempic® if you have a personal or family history of medullary thyroid cancer, multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if you are allergic to ozempic®. stop taking ozempic® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, itching, rash, or trouble breathing. serious side effects may happen, including pancreatitis. tell your doctor if you have diabetic retinopathy or vision changes. taking ozempic® with a sulfonylurea or insulin may increase the risk for low blood sugar. common side effects are nausea,

vomiting, diarrhea, stomach pain, and constipation. some side effects can lead to dehydration, which may worsen kidney problems. i discovered the potential with ozempic®. ♪ oh! oh! oh! ozempic®! ♪ ask your healthcare provider today about once-weekly ozempic®. i was told to begin my aspirin regimen, blem. and i just didn't listen. until i almost lost my life. my doctors again ordered me to take aspirin, and i do. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. listen to the doctor. take it seriously. if ywhen you brush or floss, you don't have to choose between healthy gums and strong teeth. complete protection from parodontax has 8 designed benefits for healthy gums and strong teeth. complete protection from parodontax. hy-a-it's in here. new from revitalift: derm intensives hyaluronic acid serum with our highest concentration of hyaluronic acid visibly plumps skin and reduces wrinkles. bounce back! new revitalift hyaluronic acid serum

from l'oreal. ♪ here i go again on my own ♪ goin' down the only road i've ever known ♪ ♪ like a drifter i was-- ♪ born to walk alone! keep goin' man! you got it! if you ride, you get it. ♪ here i go again geico motorcycle. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more. >> president trump sure spends a lot of time revisiting it and attacking it and trying to prevent one key figure in it from telling congress what he told the mueller team. i'm talking about don mcgahn whose account about getting rid of the special counsel have become a major focus for house democrats and could figure

highly in a case for impeachment. it may explain his string of tweets about it all today. more from jim acosta at the white house. >> what is the president saying about don mcgahn? >> we saw that tweet earlier today where he essentially disputed what was said and a sworn statement to the special counsel robert mueller when he tweeted earlier in the day that he did not instruct the former white house council to fire the special counsel robert mueller. the president going on in that tweet to say i have the legal right to do so anyway. it's interesting anderson. i talked to some trump team legal sources about all of this today and they're claiming that even though the president tweeted this and is essentially disputing what don mcgahn is saying and what others are saying that he still has the ability and the executive privileges to block him from testifying up on capitol hill. the president hasn't announced publicly that he's going to exert executive privilege at this point but he's essentially

announcing, we saw this yesterday that he's going to stop don mcgahn from testifying. he's going to block all the subpoenas and the white house and the president's legal team is taking a pretty expansive view when it comes to his executive powers and they're saying he has the right to do this no matter what he tweeted. >> the criticism is coming at the same time, the white house gearing up to fight the request and mcgahn to testify in front of congress. the question is can they really stop a private citizen from testifying about something that he already testified to mueller about. >> i talked to a trump adviser that said this is a time honored tradition here in washington. administrations do try to attempt to stop certain individuals from testifying up on capitol hill and block this.

and the president allowed don mcgahn to speak to the special counsel for this investigation. isn't that waving executive privilege there? and they're saying no it is not. but you'll see this go to the courts because that is really the only place that this can be decided. otherwise, the president is going to try to test this out and essentially have this legal rational that he could stop anybody from testifying up on capitol hill and of course the democrats are saying you can't do that. thank you very much. you bet. let's talk more about this. also with this cnn legal analyst, is it realistic of the white house to think that they're actually going to be able to block mcgahn from testifying, first of all when his testimony is already made public in the mueller report. he talked to them for 30 hours. they waved executive privilege for him to do that and he's a private citizen. >> i think it's an uphill battle for him. they obviously can't take the position of we give up, we have

no leg to stand on but i think when it's tested in the courts it's difficult. as you point out, he has already testified to the material. they apparently already waved it and privileges are tricky. i mean, it's not that easy for courts to decide you just made a blanket waver. they like to protect it. i think it's hard for them here given what has already trar transpired and i don't think they could order him not to comply with the subpoena and when he's sitting there before congress and it's just their wishes. there's talk as jim just reported about a time honored tradition, he's going to be facing contempt of congress and he's going to honor that subpoena. >> the white house's argument that mcgahn already said what he has to say and that the only reason democrats want him to testify is to create a tv moment, are they right? >> well that would be an easier argument to make if the

president himself wasn't out there disputing what don mcgahn told mueller which he has done repeatedly and even to don mcgahn himself. this is precisely the type of situation that should lead the democrats on capitol hill to begin pushing for hearings that could lead to an impeachment process. remember, impeachment, the beginnings of it is not just about removing the president, it's effectively the equivalent of impanelling a grand jury to investigate presidential malfeasance. and that's what we have here and something that the democrats need to be moving forward on investigating. >> garrett raises an interesting point. that the president by publicly now saying what is in the mueller report that it's just not true and what mcgahn said is not true, that does actually give weight to the need for a hearing where he is underoath to

see if the president is now lying. >> absolutely. as in so many things the president is his own worst enemy. and i think it's such an interesting point being made about the sort of mechanics of impeachment. it's so different than a criminal trial where you have extremely tightly controlled narrowing of evidence to an even narrower function for the jury to decide. the anlage is a good one. it starts out very broad and ends up being border and the hearings they're involved in now as they go forward even through who can testify and who can't prepares the country for the possibility of impeachment. it airs out the issues ahead of time and that allows the politicians to make their political decision. >> if now the president is publicly saying he's a liar, maybe he would want to actually

testify. is there -- just because the president is saying there's executive privilege, could he just go and testify? is there anything actually stopping him? just because the president is saying don't do this? >> i don't think there really is. i mean, the way it will play out legally is they'll have to go to court. they'll seek to quash the subpoena and i don't think congress will either but as far as the legal analysis goes they have a very weak case. i don't see how they can put the genie back in the bottle. >> if things continue on this way, it does seem like the only option available to house democrats may be looking at impeachment proceedings although speaker pelosi made it clear that's not a viable option to her unless there's bipartisan support for her which at this point there's certainly no sign of that. >> >> i think that undersells what the evolution of this process could be and unfortunately democrats shouldn't give the republican

party a bad faith veto where if republicans refuse to go along with punishing or even investigating presidential high crimes and misdemeanors that's undermining their role as a co-equal branch of government. democrats looked back to the white water comparison and see how poorly that went for the republica republicans, but a better anlage would be the watergate hearings where the early hearings really helped set the process. they helped air some of the challenges and allegations against richard nixon and really dramatically moved public opinion in the country even with the republicans. >> yeah. i mean, i talked to a republican congresswoman -- excuse me, a democratic congresswoman last night saying essentially what garrett is saying that there is something about the power of television to actually see them

testifying under oath on television and hearing it from him, viewers are able to judge his trustworthiness or not rather than the likelihood that they read 448 pages in the mueller report. >> absolutely. i think that's where the political aspect comes because we all talk about how impeachment is purely political. it's not a court proceedings. this is how the politics will work. if the country can see what's happening and the politicians begin to get the feedback, i think too garrett's point, that's how the process can move forward and i think the watergate anlage is a good one. >> thank you always. appreciate it. white house press secretary sarah sanders held a press briefing today for the first time in a long time about a month and a half. we can't tell you what she said because it was off the record but we can tell you who she spoke to. that's just ahead. behr presents: outdone yourself. staining be done... and stay done through every season.

behr semi-transparent stain, overall #1 rated. stay done for years to come. find it exclusively at the home depot. at a comfort inn with a glow taround them, so people watching will be like, "wow, maybe i'll glow too if i book direct at choicehotels.com." who glows? just say, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com. life isn't a straight line. things happen. and sometimes you can find yourself heading in a new direction. but at fidelity, we help you prepare for the unexpected with retirement planning and advice for what you need today and tomorrow. because when you're with fidelity, a partner who makes sure every step is clear,

there's nothing to stop you from moving forward. you won't find relief here. congestion and pressure? go to the pharmacy counter for powerful claritin-d. while the leading allergy spray only relieves 6 symptoms, claritin-d relieves 8, including sinus congestion and pressure. claritin-d relieves more. they can't live without it protection. detergent alone doesn't kill bacteria, but adding lysol laundry sanitizer kills 99.9% with 0% bleach. because the things they love can get pretty gross. lysol. what it takes to protect.™

the latest inisn't just a store.ty it's a save more with a new kind of wireless network store. it's a look what your wifi can do now store. a get your questions answered by awesome experts store. it's a now there's one store that connects your life like never before store.

the xfinity store is here. and it's simple, easy, awesome. >> sarah sanders held her first briefing in weeks today but it was only for the children of journalist and staffers for take our sons and daughters to work day. this was after president trump told reporters his administration has been the most transparent in history. joined by washington post columnist and author of the road not taken and the american tragedy in vietnam. >> first saw the headline that the first press briefing sarah sanders has had in a month and a half is for children and off the record. i thought it was a joke.

it's kind of extraordinary. >> right. i would say that the trump administration often veers between tragedy and farce and is often sometimes in the middle. she's willing to brief kids but not their parents. the actual real life reporters which is an indication that clearly she has forgotten and the trump administration has forgotten who she works for because she's supposed to be an employee of the united states government speaking on behalf of the people of the united states who elected donald trump and telling them what the government is doing but instead they are constantly engaged in lying and keeping secrets about what this administration is up to. >> it's not a consequence that she has not spoken from the podium since the mueller report came out but not only shows she lied from the podium and lied two days in a row but also that

the press office tried to get rod rosenstein to lie about his role in the firing of james comey. >> yeah. she already had an impossible job because donald trump lies as easily as he breathes. >> and lies to her probably as well. >> lies to her but i think tells her the truth sometimes and i think that became clear in the testimony. but she is now completely untenable for this reason. you have don mcgahn and hope hicks and white house staffers still there and some that left who at the threat of going to jail actually told the truth. so if she goes to the podium and has to defend what the president says she can be easily contradicted by any reporter in the room. that's why i don't think she'll ever go in and talking to kids off the record is not exactly what i think that the public was

expecting from the white house press secretary. >> is it more constructive for sarah sanders to hold press conferences and lie or to not hold press briefings at all? >> these are the unanswerable questions of trump administration, anderson. i guess there's an argument to be made that even though she has zero credibility at least she has some access to the president. so even being able to ask her questions may occasionally list the truth by accident or at least it will actually indicate that message they're trying to project through the lies but clearly this is not an ideal situation. you want somebody in the white house secretary's job who has some credibility that reporters can go to with serious questions and expect he's not going to necessarily answer all of them but at least he'll do what is best and there's no such expectation in this administration but it's not just in the white house but also the defense department where they're not giving briefings either. it's a disgrace that the

american people are not being told by their elected leaders what those leaders are up to. >> it's easy to look at this as reportings complaining about press briefings. that's not what this is about. this is about an administration which claims to be the most transparent in history for them to say it's the most transparent because the president tweets a lot and because he yells answers to questions in front of a helicopter it is just ridiculous. >> i think there is a reason to do a briefing and it is a disservice. president clinton used to always talk about your friends in the press. the press secretary is the advocate internally not just for the press but for the american

public and even if she lies if you think about this in an argument or debate or courtroom it would be like saying the president gets to make his case but not get cross examined and that something that the public ought to be able to look at and say well sarah sanders says this and the reporters are contradicting her, i can make up my own mind on who is telling the truth. right now you just have presidential tweets and walking to the helicopter and all of this. the other thing that's important is that it instills discipline in the white house. it forces people to talk to each other. it forces people to agree on things, make decisions, so it is a integral part of good government. >> i haven't thought of that. >> is it an acknowledgment that in this white house people are not communicating and they don't trust what the president says to anyone at any given time that that may not be contradicted half an hour later? >> they don't trust the president. they don't trust each other. they don't trust enough to go

out. i used to brief twice a day because i saw it as an opportunity. i saw it as an opportunity to tell the country, here's what the president is trying to get done and at times to say here's what his opponents are trying to do to stop him. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. >> well, there's more to come tonight. take a look at this 2016 poster for a trump campaign rally in philadelphia. it's labeled miners for trump. you were next, the real story of the man in the poster and the secret organization that's actually behind this group, or alleged group miners for trump. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one.

flonase. ♪ ahhhh! ♪ we're here. ♪ ♪ thwho see things others can't. they're the ones who see a city that make those who live in it feel a little safer. who see the efficient shape and design of the ocean's wonders as the future of aerodynamics. at dell technologies, we see it too. if you'd like to transform your business, talk to us. and we'll show the world what impossible looks like...

when it's made real. omar, check this out. uh, yeah, i was calling to see if you do laser hair removal. for men. notice that my hips are off the ground. [ engine revving ] and then, i'm gonna pike my hips back into downward dog. [ rhythmic tapping ] hey, the rain stopped. -a bad day on the road still beats a good one off it. -tell me about that dental procedure again! -i can still taste it in my mouth! -progressive helps keep you out there. if you want to get the most details about your family history. my pie chart showed that i'm from all over europe, but then it got super specific. i learned my people came from a small region in poland and even a little bit of the history about why they might have migrated during that time. those migration patterns are more than just lines on a map, they're really your family's story. i can't wait to see what i'm going to discover next. 20 million members have connected to a deeper family story.

order your kit at ancestry.com. monitor their blood glucose every day. which means they have to stop. and stick their fingers. repeatedly. today, life-changing technology from abbott

makes it possible to track glucose levels. without drawing a drop of blood, again and again. the most personal technology, is technology with the power to change your life. life. to the fullest. the trump administration is not preparing for russian interference in 2020 because president trump doesn't like to talk about their interference in 2016. earlier this week as you may recall his son-in-law down played russia's systematic interference as a couple of quote facebook ads. i want you to take a look at one of those ads included in the mueller report on page 31 of volume one. this is an image of a poster for a campaign rally in pennsylvania. miners for trump it does.

the only part of the problem is it wasn't organized by pennsylvania miners but by russian trolls and the coal dust covered man in the poster is a real person. he was indeed a miner but this photo was taken in 1976. he had extraordinary service as a miner. he died from complications of black lung disease in 1987. the trump campaign did not create this image or organize this rally but they did apparently unwittingly post about other rallies organized by the same russian trolls on, you guessed it, then candidate donald trump's facebook page. all of this came to a shock of the family of that man and particularly to his son ronny that i spoke to earlier. >> ronnie, what was your reaction when you learned this picture of your father was in the muller report. >> my reaction was wow, i mean, this is amazing, you know that my dad's picture is in the mueller report. but then i got to thinking, you

know, my dad might not like this, you know, because he was a staunch democrat and just knowing his believes. but to see that it was in there when earl called me and told me that it was in the mueller report on page 31 i immediately downloaded it and looked at it and i said wow. called my sisters. >> told everybody. >> right. told my family. >> earl was the photographer who took that picture. can you just tell me when it was originally taken and sort of the circumstances of it? >> yes, i sure can, anderson. in 1976, earl was a photographer and a lot of men were getting killed in the mines and they sent him to investigate what was

going on and photograph and they put him with my father. he was a safety committee man and secretary of treasury, the local, and they put him with dad and all through the day in the mines he tagged along my dad and at the end of the shift, dad was coming out of the mine and it was in logan county and when dad came out of the mines earl snapped his picture and the rest is history. in 1978 it was on the cover of time magazine when the big coal crisis, when we had that coal strike. i'm thinking it was 110 day coal strike and my father liked -- he had a big 16 by 20 picture made of this and put on the head of the bed of his bed where, you know, he really liked it. he beat anwar out in the

picture. it's been all around the world. as a matter of fact it's in the smithsonian institution in the national portrait gallery and it will be there forever. >> how long did your dad work in the mines? >> 33 years. >> wow. >> and he died of black lung at the age of 57. >> 57. gosh. >> yeah. >> for your dad's picture to be used this way, i mean, for a russian troll farm to find this picture, use it in the way that they did to try to support president trump, that's not something your dad would have been in favor of? >> no, my dad definitely would not have supported trump and he was a staunch democrat. he always told me that the democrats are for the working man and the republicans are for the companies and that was his belief. he just was a staunch democrat and he believed in the values of the working man. >> what do you think he would say about all of this? >> i don't know he would like it. i really don.

knowing my dad's views the way he was, the way he stood up i don't believe he would have liked it. >> it's a pleasure to talk to you. >> thank you, anderson. >> joe biden is now officially in the race and we'll get insight from someone that served with him in the obama administration, next. behr presents: tough as walls. that's some great paint. that's some great paint. behr ultra, a top-rated interior and exterior paint. find it exclusively at the home depot. they're america's bpursuing life-changing cures. in a country that fosters innovation here, they find breakthroughs... like a way to fight cancer by arming a patient's own t-cells... because it's not just about the next breakthrough... it's all the ones after that.

let's see, aleve is than tylenol extra strength. and last longer with fewer pills. so why am i still thinking about this? i'll take aleve. aleve. proven better on pain. ♪

pardon the interruption but this is big! now at t-mobile buy any samsung galaxy s10 and get a galaxy s10e free! witha color change is easy.des, nutrisse has 77. from our darkest blacks, to our lightest blondes. it nourishes while it colors. plus avocado, olive and shea. change a little, or a lot. nutrisse. nourished hair. better color. by garnier, naturally! was a success for lastchoicehotels.comign badda book. badda boom. this year, we're taking it up a notch. so in this commercial we see two travelers at a comfort inn with a glow around them, so people watching will be like, "wow, maybe i'll glow too if i book direct at choicehotels.com". who glows? just say, badda book. badda boom. nobody glows.

he gets it. always the lowest price, guaranteed. book now at choicehotels.com (michelle) i know what it's like to be in a financially struggling family. we had a lot of leftovers...[chuckles] i couldn't have asked for better parents, but like most people they didn't have anyone to teach them the best financial habits. so we changed that. as a financial health coach, i help people every day. i try to put myself in their shoes from my own experience. i connect to them because i've been there. helping families like mine

save a little money changes everything. this is personalized guidance. this is wells fargo. . quickly back to joe biden's 2020 entry and the obstacles that could lie ahead for him, among those his controversial record on criminal justice, he played a lead role in the crafting of the 1994 crime bill fueling an era of mass incarceration. it's something van jones is passionate about and involved with. he has an original series called the redemption project about to premiere this sunday on cnn. van, welcome. i want to ask you about the redemption project, it's incredible what you're working on. on biden, what do you make of how he's entered and where the race is? >> i say welcome, welcome, welcome. to hear his voice really culling us up. he's calling trump out, but he's really calling us up. help is on the way, i felt like.

we need a unifier. we need somebody who can speak in tones that bring us together. he went right at trump but he did it in a way that actually was, i think, trying to call people up and not just call trump out. i'm not going to say i'm voting for him, but i was relieved to hear his voice today. >> redemption project, it looks at restorative justice. >> yes. >> just explain the idea of restorative justice, it's an incredible concept. >> we all know the old view of justice, which is kind of retribution, you damage me, i'm going to damage you and you adage to damage and get justice, that makes sense in some cases. you do that too much and you wind up with communities that are just damaged. there's another view which is emerging called restorative justice, you've got justice when the person who got hurt gets healed. the courts aren't -- that's not what the courts are asking. what we did is we went and we found eight people who have done

really bad things. some of them are in prison, who want to make amends, who want to atone and we found the eight people that they hurt or the surviving family members. and then we let them talk to each other for the first time and we filmed it. and these conversations are mind blowing. and in an era right now where it's not fashionable to be forgiving, it's block you culture. we found a capacity in the human spirit to actually begin to get to some kind of a better place and we show it and it's beautiful. >> i want to show a clip in a second. when you talk about it it reminds -- it harkens back in my mind to the truth and reconciliation commissions in south africa. to the courts they had in villages which they didn't have enough room in the prisons in rwanda for the people who committed genocide. it was village restoration. let's take a look at a clip.

>> if my actions started the cycle of violence. >> he took the love and what my life could have been like. i want him to look me in the face and tell me why he killed my mother. >> there's no way that you could actually prepare for something like this. >> this is the last piece of that puzzle from a lifetime of what if. >> i mean, this is as real and human as it gets, people just face to face. what happened? i mean, what -- >> you know, it's interesting. of the eight episodes, and two of them they do not get to a warm and fuzz zi place, the pain of the children who were hurt or lost was too great. they still got information they hadn't had. they got to ask questions. what happened? that was somewhat healing. but in three of the eight, anderson, they got to a point

where they actually successfully went to the parole board and got the person out of prison. so you literally have in this series a full range of emotion. >> some people hearing that are going to say prisoners are conning these families to help them get parole. >> well, the thing about it is that there was no possibility of parole when the conversations happened. in other words, this was something -- basically three miracles essentially that happened because of power of this conversation. here's what i want to say. i know for sure that if we keep going the way we're going with no empathy for each other in this country, no compassion, we're going to end up in a bad place. i wanted to show people who really probably shouldn't be able to talk at least trying to talk to inspire the rest of us to give it a chance. >> if they can do it. thank you for the reminder. tune in sunday. the kickoff is at 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific here on cnn. we'll be right back. hopes you drive safely.ery y

but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands? it's easy to move forward

when you're ready for what comes next. at fidelity, we make sure you have a clear plan to cover the essentials in retirement, as well as all the things you want to do. and on the way, you'll get timely investment help to keep you on the right track, without the unnecessary fees you might expect from so many financial firms. because when you have a partner who gives you clarity at every step, there's nothing to stop you from moving forward. who gives you clarity at every step, they can't live without it protection. detergent alone doesn't kill bacteria, but adding lysol laundry sanitizer kills 99.9% with 0% bleach. because the things they love can get pretty gross. lysol. what it takes to protect.™

and relief from symptoms caused feel the clarity of non-drowsy claritin by over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity. and live claritin clear. new lysol wipes are crazy strong. don't believe us? we got this workout class to compare them to clorox. wow! feel the strength of new lysol wipes. dude! are you looking at this? can i take those? no. lysol. what it takes to protect.®

the latest inisn't just a store.ty it's a save more with a new kind of wireless network store. it's a look what your wifi can do now store. a get your questions answered by awesome experts store. it's a now there's one store that connects your life like never before store. the xfinity store is here. and it's simple, easy, awesome.

a lot more news ahead. let's turn things over to don lemon and "cnn tonight." this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. it's on. the democratic opponent this president may fear the most launches his campaign with a shot across the bow. joe biden, evoking president trump's response to the deadly white supremacist violence in charlottesville. a moment that will forever be a flash point in the trump presidency. >> he said there were "some very fine people on both sides" very fine people on both sides? with those words the president of the united states assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand