hi, i'm brian stelter. welco welcome to "reliable sources ". the message for the media is coming up and a lot to report this hour, as well including the spasm on hate crimes. another case of a killer rad i can -- radicalized and a big announcement from a collision trying to get the word out about reporters in parol and comedian jordan cupper coming up. but first, another split screen america, president trump for the third year in a row opting out of the white house

correspondence dinner attending a rally in wisconsin. he is really the say anything president. he's had his second phoner of the week with fox news just now calling in the show playing up the state of the crisis on the southern border. when i say he's the say anything president, here is what i mean. from conspiracy theories to contradictions, trump is willing and able to say anything. it goes beyond misleading statements in the past few days, he's alleging a coup attempt and ex lawyer as a liar and it goes on and on and there is sop shocking new examples from the rally this weekend so let's get to it. we have a panel in washington fresh off the correspondence dinner. elaina and amanda carcarpenter. i want to start with something not getting enough play today. talking about late term abortion. let's listen to it first and try

to unpack it. >> the baby is born, the mother with the doctor, they take care of the baby. they wrap the baby beautifully and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby. i don't think so. >> can you put this into context for us, karen? he's talking about illegal, immoral, incredible rare and something -- something he's continuing to bring up on the trail and this was the post shocking way he said et yet. >> this is part of his strategy to just demonize the left, demonize -- he was in a rally, i think he spoke for over an hour, hour and a half. you know, like when he went to c pack this was his comfort zone and he brought up sarah sanders. this particular attack is particularly disgusting and egregious as someone on the board of pro-choice america. this is one where unfortunately getting used to hearing from the

right. obviously, it's illegal. this would only happen in the instance if a child was born with a horrible deformity -- >> without a brain, without a heart, something awful. >> and couldn't survive outside the womb and at that point, it's called surgery. there would be a surgery and the decision is made how do you keep this child comfortable? it would be like if someone was on -- had to be on life support for some reason. but he knows that. we're talking about facts. >> do you think he knows the truth even though he's spinning it like this? >> sure. say anything hiyperbolehyperbol disgusting language to demonize people, anyone, frankly as you know he does to the press all the time as anyone who is against him has to be. you can't just be wrong or have a differentopinion. you have to be despicable. you have to be evil, right? >> this is something that there is a lot going on this weekend but something like this comment should be a bigger story.

here is what the liberal writer said on twitter. he said this clip of the president accusing people of conspireing to murder infants in blankets instead of being forgotten tomorrow this is example number 1,000 of the trend, right? >> it's absolutely true. early on when people said we can't normalize it and the word lost its meaning normalize it that he can now go to this place. by the way, when you watch the full segment where he talked about it, he repeated it two or three times. he used the word execute in that conversation. he was really pounding it with those viewers, with the rally goers in green bay. >> it was live on fox, by the way. this was split screen america, fox covering the rally, cnn covering the correspondence dinner. this is common. the historian in place of a comedian was quite funny at times and he was down right

presidential. let's look at a few of the things he said to the crowd. >> we have to fight hard for basic truths we once took for granted. when you chip away at the press, you chip away at our democracy. relations between presidents in the press are inevitably tough, almost always adversarial but don't need to be steep in venom. >> not steep in venom, your reaction? >> absolutely. that's what trump brought to this conversation where he says it's not -- just what karen said. it's not enough to disagree, it's your enemy. he used the word again last night, scum. he was talking about the dirty cops at the fbi instead of the press but that the the level he goes to with it. by the way, the thing i thought watching it is he actually used whipped. i forgot and realized how trump fla flattened the rhetoric of the

political discourse where whipped seems so rare, the thing you might hear from jfk. he used it gentle and nice and his pep talk was fabulous. >> he did have a message for the media. let's take a look at what he said. >> donald j. trump is not the first and won't be the last american president to create jitters about the first amend the, so be humble, be skeptical and beware of being infected by the very things you're fighting against. >> i think he had an important message there? >> so important. i want to go back to the abortion discussion in trump's comments for a minute. what i took there was trump's hy translation of what ralph northam said, the infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and doctor wanted and a discussion would ensue what would happen to the viable child. like it or not, what trump said

right there is what a lot of voters heard when northam said that. i think as reporters to pearl clutch and say how dare he, you know, it -- compound on it like that. the reality is a lot of people, when northam said that. >> what he said is not true. it not based on the left. >> also, northam is a doctor. he was spreading a medical procedure. he was exactly -- >> made very inartful copper thefts abo-- commentsmmentscomm. we say what did he mean? don't -- it can be just to seize on trump's comments like that and say where could he possibly get that from? who could possibly take anything from what he's saying is silly to me. >> that takes away from again, the fact that trump consistently

needs to -- it not just hi hyperbo hyperbole, it's very strong, very terse language that is meant to evoke mexicans are rapist. that is meant to put a picture in your head so that when you see brown people, you're afraid of that person because you think he's a rapist rather than saying plenty of white people are rapists, too, if we have that conversation. it's always about making the other side the enemy and this is the way he is not only trying to keep his base that red meat and keep them angry and fearful and the fear that we have for each other is exactly what the russians exploited in the 2016 election and will do so again in 2020 and by keeping one-third in check, that the how he keeps republicans in congress in check because they are afraid of that one-third of the voting. >> when you describe president

trump as a say anything president, he's also a dog that doesn't know any new tricks. if i were running a campaign against him, i would be delighted because we know what he's going to do. this thing with the abortion debate, there is a legitimate debate what happens to babies that survive abortions:that's what he's getting at in a grotesque way. we're not going to have that debate here, but this is the fire that he's stoking. we know he does this. so i think you're right to go to the actual policy debate whether than seize on trump's comments because that's what republicans and conservatives will be talking about on the ground. he's din doing the same thing w conspiracies. he went on birtherism and happening again with spygate and will ride that train as far as it can go. i don't think the conservative media is on board with this except maybe sean hannity, which is his phone a friend in need. he'll ride that and see if we get outrage over it or mock it for what it is and understanding

underlying issues. >> speaking of phoning a friend on hannity, do you think he's trying to drive a wedge because the president is on four criticizing nepapolitano and sheppard smith. is he trying to drive a wedge between news? >> speaking of old tricks, that's his oldest trick. it's the oldest one, reward those who kiss up to you and say what you want to say and pun in this case like hell anybody who dares to criticize. >> ask megyn kelly how that works. >> exactly. look at what he did to her when she was at fox and how ugly that was by the way, how roger ailes let that happen. we shouldn't forget how that went down. whatever down feel about megyn kelly, that was brutal. they brutalized her. >> i think your point is really important because what he says does matter.

it carries weight. part of the reason -- yes, should we have a policy discussion, yes. have you ever been confronted by these people? we're talking about violence, right? i've been confronted in my face with people that believe the crazy things that he says about black people, about democrats. it terrifying. i mean, started talking about death threats and his 10-year-old son saying daddy, is something going to happen to you? part of the reason we should be covering what the president says is because it does matter, it does carry weight, it does resonate with a certain part of the population that are motivated to do and then say crazy things themselves and that matters in this country because you have a responsibility when you're the president how you use your twitter feed, you name it, that actually matters and carries weight. that is part of what ron was trying to say. >> it affects conservatives. far too much of this around.

let get more of that after a quick break. there is another story of another hate crime that seems to have been fueled online. talking about online radicalization and this synagogue in california right after this. next thing i know i hit the ground. completely shattered my pelvis. in the middle of the woods. i called my wife, she thought i was jokin'. i said, "man, i'm not... i'm not." i was so lucky that day... saved my life. (vo) there for you when it matters most. now get a free galaxy s10e when you buy one, and $400 when you switch. only on verizon. my excellence isn't just about color. it isn't just about covering grays. it's about respect. excellence crème from l'oreal. even more care, even more beautiful color. and grays 100% covered.

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crime. the driver thought the people in the crowd were muslim so he attacked them. this story has not received enough attention because the hate crime was only publicized three days later. there has been attention this weekend and this story is not happening in a vacuum. day after day we see people of faith and places of worship being target. a gunman opened fire killing one and injuring three. this appears to be another case of another hate filled loaner w -- loner that found community and his online life, his online hate became real world action. we're not going to show you his manifesto that is a ridiculous letter but what he did before is post to his friends on a website and said it's been real, dudes, thanks for everything. what i've learned here is priceless, what i learned here

on this website is priceless and also posted a link to his facebook page and said he'd live stream whatever happens next. the first person to reply to the threat said get the high score, which meant kill lots of people. now there is no evidence he actually did live stream on facebook, thankfully apparently that didn't work but the manifesto is out there, there is yet more evidence, this is another case of awe suspect radicalized by what he sees on the internet. something about this spasm of hate crimes, it is distinct but all of them are linked. so back with me here to discuss is david zurik and alana plot. thinking about the manifesto, the press has come a long way, we very frequently mention the names of the men that commit the crimes and rarely quote from the message we publish online but he

was inspired by the new zealand killer and attacks. >> there are so many things and i'm surprised how many things we're learning how to cover because life has become so violent and helter skelter and publicizing names and manifestos, not in any way making this person such a person more popular a figure. there are so many forces that play here brian, one of the things we talked about was look, these religious sites are soft spots in terms of protection number one. number two, they are a community group and you mention a loner, sometimes that makes people angry. the main thing here i think that's going on is that we have technology that allows this kind of cyber community in one sense

and it's what was said and we can't deny it. the level of hateful rhetoric that's out there and that it not enough to be someone's opponent but they are scum and you have to destroy them. we've always been a violent society. america's history is founded on violence but the under belly was generally tamped down. we got some with mccarthy and george wallace but this era we're in with donald trump like the gates of hell have been opened and these people get a pass to come out and do it in public. >> we know people are being radicalized on the internet. i believe in free speech but if you come in my house and say hateful things, you'll be asked to leave and these media platforms need to recognize their company, their platform is their house, so aside from talking about trump, and talking about white nationalist, there needs to be pressure on social media companies:it takes some

responsibility, some kind of liability to allow this talk because you can talk to me, you can get that scum off their platform. >> the plat forms are powerful. on the other hand, look at sri lanka last week. what happens after the bombings? other sites are blocked by the government. if that happened here, we would be screaming from the rooftop. >> we would be. that the the tension and shows that as with so many things in media, the technology got ahead of us in terms of policy discussio discussions, legal discussions and we're now backtracking even on privacy issues so part of it is we got to have i don't know maybe we need a better commission or something to better study this and come back and say this is what we need to be doing. letting the platforms themselves self-regulate isn't quite the answer. letting government take over 100% isn't quite the answer but there has to be somewhere in between that says they did it to

some degree after 2016 when they became aware of the ways in which the platforms were being used for malintent. we know enough about how people self-radicalize and why that you would think there would be a way to better as you said target them and target sort of those places where they are gathering but also, i think it's part of why it's important to say that is hate speech. we have to be able to name it and call it out. there were some people remember in the beginning when they started naming hate crimes that said that's not a hate crime. this is a tactic isis uses to drive a vehicle into a crowd of people. we have to call this out and name it when it happens. >> what is difficult is yes, we're having this conversation sunday morning but unfortunately, the leader of the free world doesn't want to have that conversation and i think when the president, the most

visible person representing this country does not feel the urgency of this question and how to understand this, i mean, the commissioner, do you think donald trump will start that? absolutely not. that's what a leader should be doing in these moments and we don't hear anything from him about it. >> let's turn to one other story, "the new york times" publishing in the international print edition, clearly antis-semitic cartoon. this is something "the time tim has come with a statement of regret. what more do you want to hear about "the new york times"? they haven't said how it happened and published this cartoon. >> what a lot of reporters are great about is they make a mistake. they are usually quite transparent how this happened and how a source mislead them for instance and "the new york times" needs to do the same thing. it should not get in a defensive crowd. it should release a statement and say with very granular detail this is how we allowed -- >> how did this happen? >> unspeakable cartoon.

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there was a historian. he was actually quite funny at times and he did make the case for having comedians at the dinner. let me show you what he said. >> we need them now more than ever during this surreal interlude in american life. as will roger once observed, people are taking ka mie ing co seriously and politicians as a joke and describes our topsy moment. >> he was hosting another event during the dinner and interviewing bill and hillary clinton right there on stage and there was news we'll get to in a moment. the host coming out on may 9th is here with me now. jordan, what about that idea that the comedians are serious and politicians are a joke? is comedy dead in the trump age? >> i don't think comedy is dead. comedians can be serious. the world can understand comedians can be multiple

things. they are not just clowns that will jump around. they are clowns and will reference their genitals more than the average human. i think trump has changed the way our whole culture wants to react and seize the world and you have comedians who are put into position to where if other people aren't saying something, they are the ones that feel like they must speak truth to power. >> the dinner had a comedian then? >> the dinner can do whatever it wants. comedians don't need this dinner. there are plenty of clubs called comedy clubs they can go do. i don't think the dinner -- from the outside it looks like they said we don't want to be made fun of. a dinner like that invites comedians to come to it, there is a certain expectation from the comedian's point of view to speak to the people in the room and call out what they see as potential b.s. and comedians have done that in the past and

so if you don't want that, you don't have to have it. don't be surprised when it happens. >> tell me about what you learned on stage with the clintons last night. i heard hillary clinton talk to you about russian interference and topics and she was warning candidates in 2020 need to take russian meddling seriously. >> absolutely. she has some experience with that. there is not enough reaction. the clintons definitely spoke to that idea the alarm bells have gone off but i don't think the fire folks have gone to the fire yet. >> i see. >> so there definitely needs to be more attention there. we talked about the topics and the shooting that took place and how democrats need to focus on guns and make that an issue, something she did with her campaign and we had a lively discussion about cam omedy and e and love. >> you had an interesting conversation where you convinced her to read some of the mueller report. let watch some of this. >> the president slumped back in his chair and said oh my god,

this is terrible. this is the end of my presidency. i'm [ bleep ]. >> i listen to that audio book. >> okay. >> wait, are you really going to make an audio book? >> we were getting that idea, crowd sourcing ideas and she seemed really compelled. i think it was fwas -- i would n to it. >> you would listen to it. >> you have this new show premiering in a couple weeks. you're taking on serious issues and it's an example of using cam moo d -- comedy as you were saying. at one point you were arrested? >> i was arrested. this series has me go to the world on the front lines and i went down to a school in georgia or freedom and go to public

colleges in georgia. they don't have a voice. i was put in a position where i can speak up for them and that took me to jail. fulton county jail 12 hours. the strip search thing is true. but i think in this day in age, there are a lot of people under the trump regime that don't have a voice and if you have the opportunities with cameras around, you can get the attention. >> you use the word on purpose? >> did i? i use none of my words on pu purpose. >> quick break and trump's ban. that was a new twist. he had another escalation of hostilities. more reaction in just a moment. have the craziest job, i the riskiest job. the consequences underwater can escalate quickly. the next thing i know, she swam off with the camera. it's like, hey, thats mine!

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this 345i have beenmay have. president trump took his boycott to the dinner a step further this year by banning everyone on his staff from attending. he ordered them not to go and staffers tried to talk him out of the idea but did not succeed. what does this stay about the state of d.c. in the trump age? joining me to discuss is washington contributor sally quinn, thanks for being here. you have been of course a fission tour in washington and i don't think you've ever seen anything like this trump age, right? >> what i love was not just the dinner that he told people he was not allowed to go to is surrounding parties.

this is just -- the dinner is one thing. the party is all week going on morning, noon and night. >> and almost no trump aids. i saw kellyanne conway. >> i saw her at a dinner party friday night and people said how come you're here and she said she talked to the president and gotten his permission to go to a party and then apparently she said she had said to him, there are all these parties and he said okay, okay, go to the parties. but not the dinner. so everyone was forbidden to go to the dinner and basically to the parties except kellyanne got a pass. >> sounds like something off hbo. this does have a serious element because isn't their value, i know people like to deride the dinner but isn't there a value in administration officials getting together with journalist and be able to have conversations? >> wouldn't you think? >> i know it sounds old fashion. >> old fashioned.

the white house correspondence dinner started in 1914 and the idea was a celebration of freedom of the press the first amendment and it went along and then one day my friend kelly, michael kelly who was working for the "baltimore sun" invited fawn hall working for oliver north and fawn was a babe. she had all this hair and she was gorgeous and blond and suddenly this lightbulb went off and said oh my god, celebrities. the dinners were boring. very stayed washington dinners. so suddenly everyone was in this race to get bigger and bigger and more celebrities and i think that at one point "the new york times" decided it was too much because it had gotten too far away from what the whole dinner was supposed to be about, which was journalism. do you remember that? >> thankfully, it is back to those roots now. >> then when trump decided not to come, which was his first

year two years ago, it was a really boring dinner. >> oh. >> and then last year and then this year, i mean, i think one of the telling things is that every year when you pull up to the hilton hotel for blocks, there are police barricades and police cars and sirens and crowds waiting ocutside with plaquers and everybody gets excited. this year you pull up in front of the hilton hotel. no security, no nothing and no celebritie celebrities. i think everybody sort of -- i mean, i felt it was way over the top and had back in the old days it really turned into a zoo and it was completely ridiculous and sort of on the boarder line of being obscene. at one point, my husband ben bradley and i got caught in between a group of paparazzi and

the kardashians were on one side of us and newt gingrich on the other and we couldn't escape. my husband said what the hell are we doing here? i said we -- and we -- i mean, it was really the end for us. i do go to the washington post cocktail party before hand and occasionally some of the others but i think what's been lost to all of us is the fact that this really is the first amendment and it was a great idea to have ron -- >> it's good we're back at that. >> yes, i think ron, he wrote the book about hamilton and he's a historian and very smart guy and i think he brought levity back to it. everybody said oh my god, this is what this is supposed to be about? journalism? the first amendment? that's really good thing but i think it doesn't have the glamor and cashe it had. there was no power there.

when you're talking about what makes a washington party if you don't have the power, if the power is not in the room, there is a lot of air going out of the balloon. so i think that what trump has essentially done is killed it and it may well be a good thing because if it ever -- i don't think it will ever come back the way it was before because i think people were really wanting to take a bath after the white house correspondence dinner. i think that -- and it will get more -- once we have a new president, the new president will go and then people in the administration will go and the journalist will go and it will be more -- it will be more exciting and sources, politics and sources and journalists are always a good mix and a lot of business gets done at these things. i was there. i saw two or three people i wanted to interview and i wanted to talk to. >> that's the real value. >> that was the value. >> it's a good thing it's back

to the roots now. >> but it was about journalism last night. it wasn't about look at so and so and her dress and kim kardashian. >> that the's a good thing. >> that's not what it was supposed to be. >> thanks f s fs for being here. quick break and another special guest, washington post fact checker glen kessler keeping track of every misleading statement by the president. he's got an update after this. v) relax, it's just a bug. that's not a bug, that's not a bug! (burke) hit and drone. seen it, covered it. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ plants capture co2. what if other kinds of plants captured it too? if these industrial plants had technology that captured carbon like trees we could help lower emissions. carbon capture is important technology - and experts agree.

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back now on "reliable sources." we talked about the synagogue shooting. one dead and three injured and right now we're joined on the phone by one of the casualties rabbi goldstein was wounded in this attack. he was wounded in his hand, and he's joining me now on the phone. rab rabbi, thank you for joining us. my condolences to you and your congregation at this moment in time. i'm grateful you're able to speak with us. i'm relieved you're able to speak with us. tell us about your injuries. >> well, thank you very much. i just got out of surgery where they were unable to save my right hand index finger and they tried very hard to save my left hand finger and we're going to wait to see how that goes but both of those were blown away by

the gunshots, rifle shots from the terrorist. we're getting ready for memorial service on the last day of passover. and -- >> and as you said -- >> so horrific. i met the terrorists, our eyes locked and he aimed at me and miraculously, i was able to just survive losing my fingers but still, sadly, my colleague, my lo long-time mentor was standing in the lobby and did not survive. she was shot point-blank. >> laurie was killed trying to protect you. it was unfathomable what that moment was like and i wonder how much of it you remember. can you tell us what you saw in

that horrific moment? >> it's impossible to recall to understand what happened. it happened all so quickly and it was just both of us -- we have known each other for over 25 years. she was one of the pioneering members of our congregation. she is not just a member, she's an activist. she personified ultimate of kindness and generosity. she's one of those people who are always there to be able to help others in their time of need. when people are diagnosed with cancer, she would be dragging them to appointments and would bring flowers to cheer people up and bake just to bring the family some happiness. she was the ultimate woman of kindness and it's unfathomable, this beautiful, beautiful, wonderful human being would be shot down, her mother just recently died and she came to services to memorialize her

mother and her daughter drove down from ucla, she has an only daughter hanna and came down to be with her mother and she's doing a memorial service. she was there to witness and to be there as her mother laying on the floor dying. it was just unfathomable, undescribable, terror, horrific disaster beyond measures and this has to stop. this has to stop. the constitution of the united states guarantees freedom and religion for all faith. you know, we're so lucky and fortunate to live in a country that protects our rights to live as proud jews. we're still recovering from the holocaust. we found a haven to live as free people and yet, we're being mowed down like animals like we're nazi germany.

terror will not win and as americans, we won't back down in the face of senseless hate that the called anti-semitism. the reality is that we have to learn from every event that occurs and grow from it. every step back can and must become a step, a giant step forward. as recovering from surgery, so much thoughts have been running through my mindfy t ftrying to e out what sense can i make of this? why was my life spared? i was centimeters away from being shot blank and i got away from losing my index finger that will be a scar forever but that score scare scar is going to remind me how vulnerable we are but how heroic

we can be to stand up and fight against terror. this event, i have been there 35 years. i started the synagogue. i started this building when i was just a 22-year-old young man sent on a mission by a rabbi to establish the jewish community center and i worked sweat and tears to build the beautiful community center with a synagogue and preschool and organization for special needs children. my my wife and i, our whole life is about what can we do to the community. for us to have this happen to us in 2019 is unfathomable. so the reality is this has to raise an alarm and concern for the safety of all places of worship and our government needs to step up and help properly secure them. i pray and i continue to cry

throughout the whole day. i pray for the healing during this time for the pain and grief and i ask the world to do something to ask something to have more life to combat evil darkness. a little bit of life pushes away a lot of darkness this coming saturday, i personally feel i want to appeal to all the jewish people to make an effort to fill up the rooms, not run away, on the contrary, let's fill up the synagogues. let us show these terrorists, let us show these evil, wicked people, they will not do anything to hender us from being proud jews and for being proud people walking the freedom of america. we need to really be the answer to as much darkness as possible. >> it breaks my heart hearing you talk about lori. may her death be a blessing. it strengthens my heart hearing

you say want to fill up our house of worship across this country. do you know anything about the other two congregant's that were injured? do we know about their status? >> this other soldier, omar, he risked his life gathering the children as he got shot in his leg and thank god he was discharged from the hospital. another israeli veteran whose daughter got some shrapnel in her leg and thank god, she, too, has been treated and discharged. >> and your message to your congregation now. i think you are sharing with us as we speak about not letting terror win. do you know when you will be able to see any of them? do we know how long you will have to be in the hospital recovering? >> well, i'm pushing myself and the doctors to get me out of here as soon as possible.

i have a message. i have lived through this horror for a reason and we have been taught anything that you see and hear in life, you can take a lesson and do something with it and i want to bring my message to as many people as possible, missing a finger is just a finger. but god didn't want me to die yesterday. god wants me to continue on being his emissary and to be a partner and you know what, we are all created in the image of god. we all have admission in this world. we are all a part of god's creation. we all need to take this darkness around do some random acts of kindness, it's going to tip the scale in our favor 100%. >> listening to you right now, you must be in pane having lost part of your hand and i hear incredible, incredible resolve in your voice. >> well, that's because i'm from brooklyn. >> from brooklyn? >> i grew up with the rabbi and

the rabbi suffered a lot of pain in his life. he taught us to always turn that pain into something positive and that's what i got to do. have you no idea what it's like. i got both of my hands wrapped up, i can't drink a glass of water. i'm in excruciating pain out of surgery, but the pain doesn't pale for what i can do to help another person. what can i do to inspire others who have been in such dark spaces as well? hopefully, ki accomplish that. >> we are hearing these stories about the heroes who led the people to safety out of the synagogue, nearly 24 hours ago at this point. what can you tell us about the off duty border patrol officer? he's one of the many people mentioned as playing a key role when this all happened? >> i mean, it's incredible. this is a young man who travels close to three hours. he lives el centro, which is

three hours away from us. when there the a holiday, he travels three-and-a-half hours to pray with us. and so much he recently discovered his judaism and his jewish heritage and he wants to know more about it. he's an extremely kind person. i've spoken to him in the past about the coming to synagogue arms, because he is trained and i want trained security as much as possible. unfortunately, we couldn't afford to have an armed security officer at every service. so whenever we had extra help, we were grateful for it. you know, truth to be told, if i had, if we had an armed security guard at the front door, i think he would have been neutralized right away. but sadly, synagogues live on very thin budgets and we just don't have those fundings. and if there is anyway that perhaps people can step up and

help us partner this security, we can minimize the these senseless deaths and the horror that's happening. >> rabbi, thank you so much for taking a few minutes and speaking to us after this unspeakable crime. >> the community has put together a go fund me page to help. so if people can help us, we can help pay for funeral, charges, fees, and help us through this very difficult time, it will be so helpful. >> i would encourage people to look that up on go fund me.com. >> god bless america. thank you. >> your congregation is in our prayers today and in the days ahead. >> thank you so much. >> that's all for this televised edition of "reliable sources." we will be next week after a quick break, "state of the union" with jake tapper is coming up next.

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