the plane? >> you ask me to recollect now and, you know, i really -- you don't really pay attention when you board a plane and typically, they board parents with small children first on to these flights out of guantanamo but in this instance they didn't because of the lack of air conditioning when we bored the flight. the malfunctions air system had it so hot in the plane that they didn't want the kids to suffer needlessly so they boarded adults first and kids last. families with kids. so i boarded earlier so i didn't -- i actually didn't see how many families of kids there were but i know i sat next to a l lady with an infant when we were being bussed away after being pulled out of the water. i met her. she was fine and her child was fine and right now i'm looking at a couple moms and kids, they took most of the kids away

already to be checked out medically. i can't give you an estimate. i don't know the number. i would say more than six but beyond that, i couldn't really tell you. >> yeah. >> one of the saddest things, actually, is there were pets in the luggage compartment and i know those pets weren't rescued. >> you said they were or weren't? >> they were not rescued. >> so they are still in that compartme compartment? >> yes. >> oh, boy. >> yeah. and likely didn't make it. devastating. there is a few folks here that had pets in crates that they had checked and as a dog owner myself, it absolutely

devastatin devastating. >> that is devastating because i had the dogs this weekend because my partner had to go somewhere and they are sitting in my office waiting. because they are family. they are family. >> yes. >> that's awful. listen, i got to ask you where are you now? you said that everyone was off the plane and they were trying to interview you and you said you didn't have -- you don't have identification because it's still on the plane. where are you guys now? >> we're in a hanger in a converted airplane hanger, high ceilings, windows. it is probably used for ceremonies of some sort because it's a podium with a large american flag hanging behind it and everyone is just sort of milling around. there are folding chairs and a series of flags, quite flag and various military flags. and everyone is just sort of milling around because know one know what is to do.

they won't let us leave yet and i asked two marines, talked to -- we were told that the ntsb will be here to speak with us. everybody, you know, is curious about their belongings and wants to know what will happen next as you might imagine, people's lives got a bit disrupted. i myself was supposed to book a hotel room here because i knew the flight would be so light i couldn't make my connection to chicago and i'm going to have to cancel that. i don't have a credit card to check in even if i did. fortunately, my dad lives about four hours from here so once they release us, i think i'm going to call him and ask him to come and get me. happy 80th birthday, dad. you get to come and get me a few hours from where you live. >> so can we go through some of this again. stand by, cheryl.

hold on. i want to update the viewer. again, it a little after the top of the hour and you're looking at the pictures we have from jacksonville, florida. this boeing 737 that skidded off the runway into the st. johns river as it approached, as it was landing from guantanamo bay cuba. 136 people on board. all are accounted for now and in a safe spot. we understand that 21 people have been transported from the scene taken to various local hospitals in good condition. and we're also learning from cheryl bormann on board the plane is joining us now, but there were pets in the compartment and they don't think they made it. we hope that the not the case but at this point, that is the bad news here. so cheryl, thank you for joining us. you said you were in guantanamo bay. this plane was four hours late

you said. it was delayed and once you were the passengers who were getting off the plane and the air conditioning was not working and so you boarded anyway and you got on and from there tell us what happened. >> so we got up and it was down right toasty in there. so the flight is 2:20. i was sitting next to a funny fellow who was complaining that this 2:30 flight was worse than his flight he's taken from all over the middle east because there was no air on this plane. and we were kind of commiserating with one another and then we were flying through a storm, it got really bumpy and then as we were landing, we came down and the plane as it hit the

ground, literally hit the ground and bounced and then it was clear that the pilot did not have complete control of the plane because it bounced some more. it swerved and went to the left and right and then as i said earlier, i couldn't really tell what was happening because i was in an aisle seat. all you can do is feel what was happening but feels like the tra plane is veering sideways in a way and the pilot was trying to control it and then all of a sudden, it just smashed into something. i don't -- i'm told that the entire nose of the plane is broken off. i don't know if that the true because i didn't see it. >> yeah, we've been looking at the pictures. hold it right there, cheryl. i just want to get to something and we'll bring you back in. if you can be patient, we appreciate you joining us. it important people watching

learn what is going on, especially friends and family members and they know the folks on board are safe. i want you-all to listen in. this is thomas francis, jacksonville fire rescue public information officer speaking a little while ago. here it is. >> when we arrived here at the scene, we found a need for triage in the aftermath of the triage of the individuals who were injured and evaluated here at the scene, we transported 21 here from this location to area hospitals. >> so i'm joined now but attorney cheryl bormann on the plane. cheryl, stand by. i want to bring in mary and you know, you heard mary, you heard cheryl, you heard her description. what do you think happened here? >> boy, her description was so good and almost text-book like two other crashes i worked. one was american airlines in

kingston, jamaica landed in bad weather. didn't get traction on the runway. it just did not get any good contact with the runway and skidded off the end of the runway into the water and the other was american airlines, another american one 1420 in little rock in 1999. same thing. it came in and when it came in fast, came in in bad weather. both of these were rainstorms, did not get any traction on the runway. it called a scrubbing action, the wheels literally leave almost white marks on the runway and went off the end into the water. it is a combination of weather and perhaps because of the weather, didn't get the full length of the runway and didn't get the traction and i would be interested to know if they could tell which runway, why these runways are 6,000 feet and one at 8,000 feet and in a rainstorm, 6,000 doesn't give you much leeway. you could run off the end of that in a hurry. so sounds like weather and lack

of good traction and contact with the runway. >> stand by. mary, i want to bring in cheryl. cheryl, are you there? >> i am but unfortunately i have to go because they are giving us a briefing now and i really, i need to understand what is happening. so -- >> it is very understandable. go on. >> family and friends and everybody on the plane is comforted, everybody seems to be doing okay and we're going to make this out of -- we'll make it out of here helping each other out. so thank you very much and it was a pleasure speaking with you. >> cheryl, a pleasure. we're glad you're safe and we're glad all people are accounted for and tell your dad happy 8 0th birthday. okay? >> i will. >> thank you. again, that was attorney cheryl borm a, i bormann aboard that plane. mary, you still there? >> i am. >> my question, you know when a runway is short or when the pilot doesn't have much room

because as soon as you land, those brakes hit and you can feel it, right, depending which runway you're on and the condition. >> right. >> i didn't get a chance to ask her that but i need to be respectful she needs to go and figure out what is going on and by all means, she needs to do that. >> she gave us good clues because she said she felt it. you know when your car is hydroplaning you can feel it. she said the plane was veering to the left and veering to the right, that's a lack of good contact. she did an excellent description of what it was and goes a long way to explain what happened. >> yeah. mary, stand by. peter goals on the phone now. peter, based on what you heard from the eyewitness there, give us ideas as to where this investigation is going. >> i think there is going to be two things. the ntsb will be on the scene first thing in the morning and launch a full team and mary

indicated to two american airlines crashes, little rock, i was on scene for and you're absolutely right. a pilot tried to thread the needle and put it down in a tough storm and started hydroplaning almost as soon as they touched down. but in this case, i was interested that one of your previous guests mentioned the flight day started at 7:00 up in norfolk. 7:00 a.m. and we're talking about after 11:00 p.m. when the accident occurred, apparently occurred in jacksonville and that the flight was delayed, that is an awfully long flight day for a pilot and copilot and flight attendents. i don't know if the civil

reserve air fleet have different hours of service but i know a commercial group would not have been flying 17 or 18 hours at the end of a day and i think we're going to be looking at -- we're looking at a pretty tired crew and probably a pretty challenging situation. >> yeah. peter, thank you for joining us, as well as all of our aviation experts and in particular cheryl bormann, the attorney on board the flight that gave us a vivid explanation of what happened, what she experienced as this plane landed and skidded off the runway in jacksonville, florida. i'm don lemon. 136 people on board this boeing air 737 all of them accounted for. 21 people, though, taken to local hospital with some injuries but in good condition tonight. i want to thank you for watching. our coverage will continue through the night here on cnn and at cnn.com.

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e ee economy. this is an urban economy that is really on fire and, you know, if this continues, obviously i hope it does. more people will be employed. it could help him. thus far it hadn't helped at all. >> jim, what do you do about swing states like wisconsin, pennsylvania. democrats need to win them in 2020 but if the economy under president trump is doing well, why would voters if it's urban areas, why would voters want to change course? >> again -- >> sorry, this is for jim. >> is he investing in education? they will ask one very simple question, anderson. who is on my side? when there is a clear choice between our economic agenda and theirs, we'll win the choice. >> james, vice president biden

at this stage at least in the race, you know, entry into the race seems to be looking at it through a lens, less of a lens of economics but says that's the real vulnerability for president trump and he's not fit for office and is doing morally bad things to america. how hard is it to get people to overlook what may be good financial news for them and focus on an issue like that, a moral issue? >> well, 40% in the quite don't have $40 in the bank and while the economy is booming in the urban areas and los angeles county is growing faster than most anywhere else in the country, a lot of people don't feel it a lot of people feel like the distribution in this economy is nowhere near what it should be and that so many of the games are going to the few and the rest are getting left behind. i think that's a winning message for democrats and as jim pointed out, the whole health care thing has got people really concerned.

you can tell me this economy, anybody can afford prescription drugs. go tell people that. i don't think they can. like i say, he took a good economy to have a trillion dollars worth of stimulus and if you remember in the '90s under president clinton, they were running surpluses and by the time president obama left office, gdp going down. i think both gentlemen have a good record they can look back on and did it in a fiscally responsible way. >> jim, do you -- i'm wondering what you make of biden's kind of looking past the table top issues at least in his announcement and focussing on president trump. >> well, look, he's in a democratic primary. >> sorry, this is for jim. sorry, james. >> it's confusing. >> we should -- anyway. jim, go ahead. >> well, look, he's in a democratic primary and the single unifying force is our hatred of donald trump.

and so he's smartly saying i'm not going to pull myself down and start talking about my 25 opponents and go right at donald trump. which i think is what he's got to do and he's got to contrast himself with donald trump as james was talking about and got to layout a vision for where he wants to take this country. i think he'll be stronger if he does that. >> james, you know, you hear a lot of democrats discussing well do you reach for new voters who have been under represented and who maybe haven't been touched by the democratic party or haven't been motivated to come out to vote, do you stick with trying to mobilize your base or is it not a choice? >> i mean, it really not a choice. parties want to expand. we're not running a fraternity or here. we understand profoundly talking about west virginia, michigan, wisconsin, if we don't do better in rural parts of the states we

might suffer the same fate in 2016 plus i hate to tell people but 50% of the senate is elected by 18% of the quite. we we're not going to do that to get core urban voters. we got to expand our cocollisio. i'm proud of what the candidates stand for. let tell people in northern florida and western michigan what we're doing. i'm for that. i think it really dumb to run an exclusion party that focuses on people like yourself. >> jim, how much do democrats need to avoid getting sucked in to the day to day drama of the white house and latest tweet and at the justice department and concentrate on table top issues, health care, taxes. >> this is something i'm worried about, right? president trump is like free beer and says something crazy every day and you can have fun with it and you go online and raise a bunch of money and get democrats excited but voters care about the table top issues

you just asked me about. we have to stay focused on economic bred and butter issues. we're going around the country trying to meet with as many campaigns as we can. if you look at barack obama and bill clinton, we won elections and focused on both exciting our base and talking to the swing voters who are going to decide this election. we can and should do both things. >> jim, jim, thank you for being on. >> you bet. >> the op ed is in the "wall street journal." finger looking politics or a bad way to play chicken over very serious issues. i'll talk to a member of the house judiciary committee who was well, eating chicken at the hearing, next. thanks to priceline working with top airlines to turn their unsold seats into amazing deals, family reunion attendance is up. we're all related! yeah, i see it. and because priceline offers great deals by comparing thousands of prices in real time,

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jerry nadler is giving barr until monday to have the justice defendant to turn over the mueller report. and he said he would move to contempt proceedings if he doesn't comply, one day after barr skipped a house judiciary committee as they voted to allow staff attorneys to question him. one democrat on the committee

steve cohn called him chicken barr for not showing up and he chowed down on kfc. congressman joins us now. and the new monday deadline for nadler, how do you think the justice department and attorney general barr will respond. is there any reason to believe they'll turn over documents your committee wants? >> i have no reason to believe they'll do anything that is in keeping with the traditions of the relationship between the executive and the judicial as equal branches of government. i think they will stonewall at all costs because they -- they know that they can't give up information and data or the president will be exposed for the type of person and the actions he's undertaken. >> so chairman nadler talked about moving to contempt proceedings if the attorney general doesn't comply. what does that -- what would that actually look like?

>> well i hope it would be inherent contempt because we go out and take him and bring him in and have him personally brought to the house. if it is a -- >> you want to send out -- >> -- a contempt. >> you want to send out a sergeant-at-arms and require the attorney general to come. >> yes. otherwise it is up to the justice department. the justice department will not do anything to take a contempt citation from us and enforce it against their boss. so you have an impossible situation and it leaves us no alternative except to use the sergeant-at-arms and to bring him in. he's being utterly contempt shus to congress and he lies to congress and charlie crist asked him and he claimed he had no idea. he lied. speaker pelosi said that yesterday.

she's correct. >> when you say bring him in, do you actually -- actually support the idea of putting him in -- are you talking about just having him sit for a hearing or locking him up somehow? >> you have to have him sit for a hearing and i think you have to have him locked up unless he agree to participate and come to the hearing. either that or have him be in a room with somebody like mike -- what is his name, gates, just the two of them, that might be more difficult punishment. >> but do you believe that you're going to -- that your committee is going to order the attorney general of the united states to be arrested by the sergeant of arms and put in jail? >> i don't know what we'll do. but we can't just go to the justice department. it is meaningless. it shows we want to hold him in contempt but he won't be held in contempt because the justice department won't enforce a contempt citation against their boss.

it won't happen. and trump and barr would fire whoever tried to do it. >> have you talked about this with everybody on the committee or do your colleagues support this -- >> it is strictly up to chairman nadler. but i think this is the most contemptuous conduct toward congress we've ever had. he lied to congress and refused to attend and tried to dictate the terms of oversight and that never happened before. we have a lot of precedent for counsel questioning people in hearings, not just impeachment hearings but hearings of all kind. we had it in whitewater and many times of hearings and back in the mccarthy era when bobby kennedy questions people and michael chertoff questions people and then you could follow up on questions an not be cut off and filibustered and he's afraid of it and that is why he didn't come in. >> if -- if it came to you sending the sergeant of arms or committee sending the sergeant of arms to apprehend and arrest

the attorney general, isn't that handing republicans an incredible thing to -- to point to as democratic overreach? they went after you for the chicken stunt yesterday. and gave them talking points that you weren't taking this whole thing seriously. >> i don't think anybody was adverse to what i did with the chicken -- anybody who had a modicum of a sense of a humor or a modicum of intelligence or understanding liked it. those that failed in the two criteria didn't and for those people, get a life. >> congressman cohen, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> for more on the subpoena fight, we're joined by preet bharara. is that a world that we exist in, that the sergeant of arms will arrest the attorney general of the united states? >> i don't expect that to happen. i suppose that is a possibility. we haven't seen that in my memory.

but congressional investigations and congressional back and forth with the executive branch relies on both the law, with the constitution says but also public opinion and also on momentum for their investigations. and i think it is frustrating when we have these conversations about how the impasse will be resolved, what happens when the subpoena is ignored and ordinary criminal cases like the kind that i would oversee, you have a strong-minded judge who resolves the issue fairly quickly and when you have disputes not between an ordinary garden variety prosecutor and ordinary garden variety defendant and instead between two co-equal branch of government and the judiciary trying to mediate, it doesn't end so easily. you could hit an impasse quickly. the congressman is right with the respect to criminal intent, if there is referral to the justice department that has never been followed up by the justice department own people who could decide to or not bring

a criminal contempt case against the person who is held in contempt and this case the attorney general and that happened in respect to eric holder and nothing ever happened. >> so it would die with that request, in the justice department. >> that is what i would expect. and by the way, even if it is brought, my understanding is it is just a misdemeanor. so it doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot in that case either. what matters in these instances and why in most cases people talk about and history books are written about are cases in which there is public pressure to provide information to reach an accommodation and negotiated end to what happens and what is provided. for example, in the case where a subpoena was issued for testimony and it end up being withdrawn and then bill clinton famously testified voluntarily with certain parameters and that is how these things get revolved. >> the president said he'll decide to invoke executive privilege to stop don mcgahn from appearing.

>> still don't quite understand -- i know -- i mean he has the power to just try to invoke executive privilege but if there is not a legal -- a strong legal case for it, how long would it take moving through various courts? >> if could take a long time. look, lot of what you're finding in the struggle between the congress and the executive branch and earlier between bob mueller and the executive branch, although he's part of the executive branch, is this issue of time. one of the things that bob mueller is criticized for is not pursuing the subpoena and compelling the president to come testify before the special counsel office and he gives a reason in the report. he said it might take a very, very long time. so it is not very satisfying to people who like to have quick judicial resolutions of things but things take a long time. >> preet bharara, thank you. is will barr a legal know it all or a dedicated institutionalist who demonstrated patience during this senate hearing. coming up, the polarization surrounding the attorney general.

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if nothing else, as the week ends, attorney general barr cemented himself as one of the most polarizing people in the country after testifying on wednesday the wall street journal headline, democrats are

turning the attorney general into a villain for doing his duty. an opinion column saying barr's testimony was a low point in justice department history and the defense view is william p. barr came across as a political hack. and "the new york times" op-ed james comey said about barr during the hearing, proximity to an amoral leader reveals something depressing. i think that is at least part of what we've seen with bill barr and rod rosenstein. accomplished people lacking inner strength can't resist the compromises necessary to resist the president. kerry cornarrow and david rivkin and columnist kirsten powers. clearly attorney general barr is a lightning rod and accused of lying to congress and congressional democrats are days away from potentially holding him in contempt. this is not exactly normal. >> no. and i have to say the talking point you cited from the "wall street journal" that mueller had abdicated his responsibility so barr stepped in to do what he needed to do, mueller didn't abdicate his responsibility. that is just a republican talking point. what he did was he clearly stated in the report that because of existing doj guidelines about not indicting a sitting president, he didn't draw a conclusion, he left that

clearly to congress. it is obvious. it's clearly stated there that he cannot -- he does not feel that he can bring charges against the president. so it now goes to congress and so you have democrats saying that they want to see the underlying evidence because this is -- this judgment has been sent over to them to make. which is a completely reasonable request to make. >> david, is that a reasonable request for -- request to make? >> no, it is not. let me say a couple of things. kristen was right, the mueller report would not have made any finding about the collusion on the same basis that you cannot indict a sitting president. now he clearly has a prosecutorial judgment on collusion. did he not reach a prosecutorial judgment on obstruction. let's be clear, he's an officer of the justice and not independent counsel and you look at the constitutional realities that under lie, he provided the report to attorney general. the attorney general to get with the deputy attorney general and senior leaders of the justice department will ensure the finality of this matter which i think is what the american people and any reasonable person would want. to portray -- to have the notion i've find a number of times i

find distressing, the special basis upon which he did not reach a prosecutorial judgment. look at doj regulations and what understand liars them and he provided the report to the attorney general to the deputy attorney general and leadership of a justice department carefully read the report and reached the judgment to ensure the finality of the matter, which is what i think the american people and any reasonable person would want. to have a notion that i've heard a number of times i find decemb distressing. the special counsel's job is to pass the buck to congress is absurd. >> that t's not anybody's

argument. >> the argument is somehow the special counsel is working for congress. if congress wants to pursue impeachment, congress should do its own job and accountability and pay a price for it. it's not supposed to look for the handouts from a grand jury, which is part of article three and article two or special counsel. >> let me ask, kerry, mueller, his per view doesn't make sense to you that he would essentially because he was operating under doj guidelines, that he would sort of serve it up and to congress? >> i think some of us were surprised and i think many people and obviously the attorney general was surprised that he found that he couldn't make that judgment but what's important is that the special counsel did explain in the report why he didn't make the judgment and in light of the explanation, which is both in a doctrine of fairness that it wouldn't be fair to recommend charges when the president

couldn't defend himself in court because he can't be tried and because of the existing justice department legal opinion, the special prosecutor, the special counsel didn't make that determination. it does not follow that the attorney general had to or was required to then go ahead and make the prosecutor judgement. i think there was a deep legal disagreement between the attorney general and the deputy attorney general and the special counsel on his team. so i think at this point, though bhar though, what is important is congress and the people have to hear from special counsel mueller to characterize his own report and describe his own finding and reasons for everybody to hear instead of having the attorney general characterize his work. >> kirsten, i think you wanted to respond to what david said. >> this idea that he somehow advocated, i can't remember how you said it. punted or sent it over to

congress. i don't think that's an accurate reflection. i think he laid out a clear, you know, road map basically of what had happened and left it -- it was a political question. it wasn't really a legal question because the attorney general isn't going to indict the president even assuming barr would do that which he wouldn't, he can't. it a political decision. that the why it would naturally go to congress. >> i repeat, if that were true, there would be no finding about collusion because you cannot indict a sitting president on collusion. >> collusion is not an actual -- >> well, refer to conspiracy. my point is this, it is noting to do with a presidential immunity part of the teaching, a sitting president from indictment. number one. >> wait, how can you say that? mueller clearly states in the beginning of the -- his report that that is the guideline he's operating and goes into further detail saying not only is it doj

guidelines but would be unfair given that you can't indict a sitting president would be unfair to label charges. >> you look carefully at mueller's report, that the not the on basis he did not read the judgment. >> he seemed to go into great detail early on in the report. it seemed to have great importance. >> attorney general barr as he said in the hearing, the pass to him having received the report with the deputy attorney general who is a hero for the last couple years, entire senior leadership reached decisions stated specifically anderson it was not based on presidential immunity and went for a pretty robust -- which by the way, also not based upon the constitutional view which he espouses but the sitting president cannot obstruct justice pursue for constitutional powers of his

office. we're talking about a judgment with four or five looking at the law in a situation where mueller did not reach judgment and picking it apart and trying to find bad faith here. >> the reason why -- >> kerry, go ahead. >> the reason people are coming to a conclusion of bad faith is in part because of the attorney general's press conference and because of his march 24th letter which picked and choosed from parts of the mueller report and characterized his findings in a way that then when everybody read the report turned out to be different, which is why at this point it quite true and i agree that congress is the one that has the job to do and the most important people for them to hear from at this point are special counsel mueller and then also don mcgahn so congress can conduct its investigation. >> let me predict. >> we got to go. i'm way over time. we will definitely continue this. appreciate it. it been weeks since the last formal briefing by sarah sanders

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. happy world press freedom day. the white house has marked the occasion by not having a press briefing again. it's been 53 days since they've held one, which shatters the record of 52 days. as we said on the program before we're committed to shining a light on this. it's not about us, it's about transparency and the duty of the white house to inform the public, which this white house is refusing to do at a pretty record breaking clip. we like to talk about it with someone who became a legend in the field, former news anchor and white house correspondent sam donaldson. >> the president today did not miss the opportunity to attack the media. i just want to play a clip for our viewers. >> they go out of their way to

cover me inaccurately. i don't think that's a free press. i think that's a dishonest prison, and i wa press. >> obviously one can argue with the inaccurate press. do you think the president understands the meaning of what free press is? >> no, no, he said later in that same interview as i understand it, that it's actually the opposite of a free press when he is talked about inaccurately. he's not read the first amendment, he's not read constitution. he said if i try to go to the supreme court, that will try to stop it. supreme court has nothing to do with it. he's ignorant about a lot of things. >> the question the president was actually answering today or was asked today, i don't know if he was actually answering it, was about how he could improve communication with the press. that's how he responded. do you ever see a chance for

this white house to -- to make efforts to actually communicate with the press, or is that jut just not in the dna of this white house? >> it's not in the dna, and it's not in the strategy. demonizing the press, calling us all fake news purveyors is part of the strategy to keep the base inside of him every moment, and a base which believes in him every moment and a base which is going to vote for him every moment in 2020. >> i remember when you were covering the reagan administration at abc, you were very well-known for yelling out questions to president reagan as he was walking toward a helicopter and i think it was all designed by the white house so that reagan could say i can't hear what the questions are because of the sound of the helicopter on the white house lawn. how do you see how this white house deals with the press and how that administration dealt with the press? because they were -- came under criticism for being heavy handed at times, but it seem to pale in

comparison to now. >> well, when the president would walk to a helicopter, of course the rotors weren't moving me, believe me. you don't want to decapitate a president. the motors were on and he would go what, what. if he never came over, if he never heard a question, we'd stop. no, when he heard a question he wanted to answer, he came right over. he answered the questions. this president instead of having news conferences, i can't remember was the last time he had a news conference right after the midterms? correct my memory. it's pretty faulty thoo ese day but this president stands in front of reporters for five or six or seven or eight or ten minutes, conducts like an orchestra leader. conducts a little news conference. reporters don't have a chance to follow up. he talks about what he wants to and he says that's meeting the press. it's not meeting the press. >> it's also something sarah

sanders occasionally does, something called a gaggle in the white house driveway, so occasionally you'll see clips of her on tv talking, but can you explain for people why it isn't the same as a, you know, a full press briefing in the white house? >> well, the great press secretaries -- and i worked with a number of very good press secretaries. we'd tangle of course because we were on opposite sides of the fence. the great ones came out prepared to answer questions. if they couldn't answer they'd dodge, and sometimes say no comment. one of the best answers i ever heard was from mike mccurry who was president clinton's press secretary during the monica embroglio. we said go ask the president he knows, come tell us. he said no, i'm not going to ask the president. we got very upset and said wait a minute you're the press secretary. we can't get to the president. it's your job.

why won't you ask the president. check the transcript, and he said because i don't want to have to lie to you. wow. i'm expecting press secretaries to say things like that all the time, but they answer the questions to the best of their ability usually, and when they can't they don't treat you as if you're some, well, how dare you ask a question like that. why don't you say how come the president did so well today. why is he such a great man today. they can get that from fox today, but not from the press corps. >> sam donaldson, thank you as all. appreciate it. check in with chris, see what he's working on for "qcuom prime time". >> you were on colbert last night. >> was it too much? >> no, it was great. >> i couldn't hold colbert like you hold colbert. >> couldn't you? [ laughter ] >> maybe in a more gentle sense. >> you've carried me out of several cities.

if memory serves. i was a tough spot, i've got to be honest. i've never been part of anything like that ever. what are you supposed to do when the guy punks you on live television and says come on, lets go, me and you right now. what do you do? >> i think you did the right thing because you beat him. >> well, of course. i wasn't going to lose. >> very quickly ten seconds, what do you go? >> what do i have tonight? >> we are going to talk to -- >> four seconds. >> about whether or not democrats can argue the economy, and we have a member of the democrat house committee that is thinking about holding the a.g. in contempt. what are they really going to do. >> all right, chris, i'll see you then. four minutes, i'll be right back. they sent a helicopter, picked me up to safety. this network saved my life. (vo) the network more people rely on gives you more. like one of our best phones when you buy another.

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