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here's the background. from the get-go, the president has been if not but consistent. he's repeated claimed the collusion a hoax, the mueller investigation a witch hunt. and the probe to be the stuff of a deep state conspiracy. to hear trump and his prime time defenders tell it, the investigation was entirely based on unconfirmed allegations contained in a dossier paid for by the clinton campaign. that's a reference to the fisa warrant first taken out on carl page in october of 2016. but by october, the russia investigation was already under way having begun three months prior. it began after the fbi learned that a trump campaign associate named george papadopoulos had revealed to before the first wikileaks dump that the russianed had dirt on hillary clinton. and now comes a government investigator posing as a research assistant to meet with

papadopoulos in search to the answer to a single question. was the trump campaign working with russia? now, the operation did not yield valuable information. to the president, this is spying. an abomination. the establishment of a dangerous precedent. and the president may have a kindred spirit in attorney general bill barr who told congress recently i think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. but is the investigation worthy of condemnation or applause? after all, candidate donald trump had often heaped praise on russian president vladimir putin. and many in his orbit, including paul manafort, michael flynn, carter page, they all had significant contacts with russia. based on these facts, the fbi would arguably have been derelict in its duty not to investigate the russian contacts with the trump campaign. so, this hour, i want to know what you think. go to smerconish.com and answer

the survey question, the fbi dispatch of azra turk, a sexy bottle blonde in her 30s to interact with george papadopoulos, is that good counterintelligence work or spying? you might want to hear from my next guest before you vote. joining me now is the campaign aide george papadopoulos author of the book "deep state target how i got caught in the crosshairs of the plot to bring down president trump." tell me about your meeting with azra turk. >> sure. let's look at what happened here, in september of 2016, i receive adden unsolicited email in my inbox by a man. i never heard of this person in my life. i saw he was a cambridge professor and he had worked for four u.s. administrations. and he wanted to pay me $3,000 to basically write a report on the energy business in israel

and cyprus which i was an expert on. he flew me to london. he paid for a five-star. and he had me meet his assistant, this is where i met azra turk which was fake. that's why i disabused the claim this was an fbi agent. even "the new york times" said yesterday suggested she was likely fbi and working for some other intel agency. she barely spoke english. she was very flirty. she was probing me about two different things. one, it was about my own background in the energy business, a very sensitive topic i was working on throughout my career in the middle east. and the second thing was about trump and russia. so there was a two-angled approach here. one about george papadopoulos as an individual. and my background dealing with

other governments, not russia. and then trump and russia. so it was a very bizarre meeting. and, of course, there was no fruit to bear from this meeting because there was no conspiracy. and i have never even met a russian official in my life so -- >> did she offer you sex? >> they, of course, overtly didn't offer it. but she made it very clear that was on the table if we continued to enjoy each other's company. and as you saw in the -- >> here's what you wrote -- here's what you wrote in your book about azra turk. we'll put it on the screen. azra turk is a vision right out of central casting for a spy flick. she's a sexy bottle blonde in her 30s. she isn't shy about showing her curves as if anyone could miss them. she's a fantasy's fantasy. if this is what academic researcher look like, i've been going to the wrong school, i love to myself. do you know today, george, who is she? >> i have no idea who this

person is. and i'm actually very curious to find out more. and i think some of the investigations into what happened in 2016 are probably going to bear that answer for everyone. we now know that she was some sort of research associate. as i explained. she just didn't fit that profile. she really matched the profile of some sort of agent. so i was very suspicious right away about her. ful i explained in my book as well, helper didn't present as well as an academic. the whole investigation. i don't know if it was well crafted but i don't think it was the best and brightest thrown my way. >> so, the "times" story from yesterday, the "times" seems convinced she was sent by the fbi. are you convince shed was sent by the fbi? >> well, i don't know, i was watching adam goldman, i think that's the reporter's show. he was on your show. anderson cooper's show last

night. and anderson cooper asked him pointly, was she working for the fbi. he said, i can't answer that question. i can say she was a informant. the profile did not watch the fbi operation. it was in london. and the british government was notified about the operation. of course, i met the british government the same day i was meeting stephon helper and azra turk. this is the first time that they were involved in this. i think "the new york times" makes it that they were. it just makes sense but i could be wrong. >> okay. let's get to the real controversy here as to whether this was a good or bad thing. the president, by the way, tweeted yesterday, finally mainstream is getting in too hot to avoid pulitzer prize anyone, "the new york times" on front page finally details effort to spy on trump campaign. this is bigger than watergate but the reverse.

this is the question i'm asking my audience this hour. is this nefarious? is this spying? or is this the sort of thing americans should be applauding on the face of it being good fbi work? explain to the audience where the fbi would have been derelict in its duty not to have taken a close look at you? >> okay. i understand your point about people like manafort manafort, carter page and michael flynn, they actually had established ties to russia. made that very clear. however, i, add an adviser in trump's campaign and as in a think tank in washington, d.c. for six years do not fit. i would i be investigated for some russian ties when it was clear by the time i joined two presidenti iaial campaigns that

every intelligence agency could have known where my contacts were. and none of them were russia. where did this whole russia conspiracy come to. i think that's where people like devin nunes and others are looking into to find out if this was an orchestrated event surrounding me. >> all i know is what i read in this puppy. the mueller report. i've got my bound version, as a matter of fact. to the mueller report, you're acquainted with mehsud. they've got dirt on hillary. you go out and get hammered one night. tell the russian, hey, russia is sitting on this information about hillary. then comes the wikileaks dump. and in that situation, knowing you got carter page, paul manafort, mike flynn all out there with these contacts, why shouldn't the fbi have pursued that lead? >> okay. as i stated that was the gold narrative. and you're right about manafort and page and ties to russia.

look, i testified to congress about six months ago where we actually were discussing people like alex. if you look carefully through my transcripts you'll see this is not a random concerned diplomat meeting with me. he was actually an asset sent to make contact with me. just looking at my testimony from congress, i'm sure that information will be revealed after certain materials are declassified. leading up to my meeting with downer where you suggest or "the new york times" i was drunk, even doalex downer and i confird we can't even drinking. i had one drink. the u.s. intelligence agencies, the british, australians, even the israelis made contact with me by mid-april. how did this meeting even emerge? and the surroundings and the events that led up to this meeting with downer were very suspicious. and, look, i understand we want to simplify things and make

things black and white in a counterintelligence investigation, but i assure you, now that these new investigations are continuing, most of these events surrounding my life including how i met joseph mehsud or alex downer. i ended up reporting downer to bob mueller and the fbi for spying on me. and i actually testified to congress that i felt he was doing the same thing. so there's some things that i think are going to clarified moving forward. >> i hope so. >> it's a very complicated story. >> i hope so. let me just say in the same way that i wanted to be data-driven and apply critical analysis to the collusion issue, i'm keenly interested now to know how did the investigation begin. >> absolutely. >> and was it based on merit. so, let's see where it leads. thank you for coming on. i appreciate it. >> absolutely. thank you so much for having me. what are your thoughts?

tweet me @smerconish. go to my facebook page. what do we have, kathryn? from facebook, i think, if you're ever investigating a man, always send a beautiful blonde. got it. honey pot, lori, isn't that what they call it? it sounds like mr. papadopoulos was suspicious whether it was the fbi who sent her it's jason bourne stuff. make sure you're going to the website. the fbi dispatch of azra turk who he described as a sexy bottle blonde in her 30s to interact with george papadopoulos, good counter intel work? or spying? cannot wait to see the result later this hour. still to come, will the economy be this president's saving grace? and when is it controversial when a paper publishes profiles

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million. he skips over the low money questions and heads right tour the big bucks. >> science 12. >> answer. >> 11,381. what is equilibrium. >> you are correct. now, a 22-day total of $1.691. charles lane of the "washington post" called him a menace. writing holzhauer's streak reflects the same grim data-driven approach to competition that has spoiled among other sports baseball. he does not so much play the game as beat the system. what's entertaining about that? the next guest, tom nichols was a five-time undefeated "jeopardy!" champion back in the 1990s. he's now a professor of national security affairs at the u.s. naval war college. hey, tom.

thanks for being here. i see from a tweet of yours that you agree with the analysis i've just referenced. you said, just watch tonight's "jeopardy!" no hope for people who are new to stop a guy who's been handling the buzzer for so many games. just like ken jennings, he won't be beaten. he'll play until he makes a mistake. defend that position. >> i hope we're not in the minority, because i'd hate to think that charles -- that chuck lane is right. that what people really want to see is not competition, but just somebody who has figured out how to break the system and rack up a million dollars. and let me just say, i don't begrudge james the money. he figured it out. he's figured out the algorithm. he's got a strategy that works. but there's an inherently unfair nature to this competition. i think people who have never played "jeopardy!" in the

studio, there are two things about "jeopardy!" that is important for them to understand. one is that most "jeopardy!" players are pretty much as smart as each other. because there's a very tough test that screens us out. it is not a random sample. everybody who walks in there is pretty bright. now, some are better than others. some are true prodigies like the great frank spanburg, the transit cop who first rocked the tournament of champions years ago. but the other is how much of "jeopardy!" is a purely mechanical operation with the buzzer and getting the rhythm right of knowing when to buzz in. because you can't see it at home but there's a light that goes on when you can buzz in. once you get that rhythm down. by my second game, by the end of my second game, i had a natural advantage over anybody who was coming against me because i'd been handling that buzzer for two straight games already. and holzhauer, and jen

incorporatijennings and the others, most of the holzhauer's games are over by the first break. >> i have a clip of your success. then i want to ask a question, roll it. >> in 1924, trinity college of durham, north carolina changed its name to this. tom. >> what is duke. >> yes. >> five in a row for tom. >> he has passed on that signal button in addition to being very bright. >> so, i read an interview with you in, in which you said that part of your success was in your training. your training was practicing while standing up. explain. >> it's a very different game when you're standing up and you're holding a buzzer. and holzhauer has said he practiced that way, too. when people ask me what should i do? stand up for 30 minutes. people think the game is easy bought they're sitting in their

ba barcalounger with a beer. and that doesn't go on until alex is finished speaking. so there's a very careful rhythm. also, standing up, i don't know why it is, i guess a doctor, or a neurologist will tell you, that standing up is a very different experience than standing up with your feet up trying to play the game. holzhauer figured that out. he's good at it. >> tom, like you, i of course, admire his success and respect his intel elect, by the way, gleaned from reading children's books but i also know "jeopardy!" is a cut above. my dad was a guidance counselor. he was a champion on "wheel of fortune." on my block, the woman ran the patio store. wonderful woman.

it's like my dad and my former neighbor. >> watching "jeopardy!" is about as interesting as putting a camera in the sports book room at caesars palace. this is like watching a guy who does algorithm. even his daily double bets are right to the penny. because he's done the math in his head. that's impressive. yeah. it's like going to the horse races with a bookie. nobody enjoys that. >> thank you, tom. >> thanks. >> i want to remind everybody, answer the survey question at smerconish.com right now. the fbi dispatch of azra turk a sexy bottle blonde in her 30s, to interact with george papadopoulos, good counterintelligence work or spying? still to come, unemployment is down, numbers are up. will the president be able to ride the wave to re-election?

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an impressive 263,000 jobs were created in april. the unemployment rate plunged to 3.6%, the lowest since 1969. but does the booming economy mean trouble for the election wishes of the 2020 dems necessarily? joining me now is the house editor for the cook political report david wasserman. and columnist for the daily beast. mark get ca margaret carlson. margaret, a president with these numbers under any other circumstance would be a shoo-in for re-election? >> michael, you're so right. and if history is any guide, he'll just be swept back into office. but there's a big gap in his numbers that means that might not happen. your poll has approval for his conduct of the economy. is it 56%? somewhere around there. >> 56%. >> 56%. bingo, bingo. and his overall approval below

40%, in almost all polls. and that gap suggests, while it's within his control, nonetheless, his conduct is holding him back. from enjoying the fruits of this good economy. conduct where, by the way, wanting to juice the fed by nominating two people who would have done his bidding but were completely unqualifiered and of sketchy character? even this very agree abable sen majority won't go along with it. your prior segment which i was fascinated by, i'm fascinated by "jeopardy!." what holzhauer is to "jeopardy!" steven morse and howard cane were to the fed to produce it more than they needed to. the producers of "jeopardy!" didn't choose holzhauer out of the blue. they knew he was really that good. and they thought it would up their ratings and it has.

but in the end, it's going to ruin the show, just as having political hacks on the fed could ruin the economy. >> david wasserman, analyze the president's standing for 2020, in view of these economic numbers. >> well, margaret is right. a 56% job rating on the economy is pretty good. and in 2020, barack obama succeeded in winning reelection in part because he was able to convince voters that the economy was better than it actually was. we all know that donald trump is going to be getting out there on the campaign trail and saying the economy is rocking and rolling and to quote peter frampton, do you feel like i do? and there's a large part of blue america that likes the way the stock market is right now. but there's one number in that same cnn poll that spells an opening for democrats. and that's his 38% job approval rating when it comes to handling

it. with health care that was popular and win an awful number of seats. if democrats can nominate an anti-elitist candidate, they might be able to beat him. >> margaret, i wonder, you know, he came in that night that victory night of 2016 with a pretty conciliatory tone toward hillary. and then all bets have been off. and he's governed in a very abrasive, rough and tumble fashion. that's how i would summarize it. it makes me wonder if he had struck a different tone, would he have been able to hold the base intact and expand the tent? >> well, you're getting back to that moment, when we all wrote about, and all talked about, that he was going to pivot to being presidential. >> right, right. >> and we waited. we waited. he's never pivoted. he's never going to pivot. i'm sure he's been told this, but he doesn't have adequate impulse control. you know, if he simply would not tweet 50 times in the morning,

that would help with that 38% number. i mean, michael, if somebody said to you, you know, somebody on your staff. or somebody in your family, michael, you know, you're really doing well over here. but you've really got to stop doing this. i assume you would stop. but the president doesn't have that capacity. yesterday, spending an hour on the phone with putin actually detracted from the economic numbers. you know, the kind of -- let's both -- let me have a congratulatory session with the person i was accused of colluding with. and i got off. but, you know, let me have some collusion after the fact. no add viviser would say to do . so, i don't know he can get that 38% number better. >> right. but i can't help but think i don't want to lose the base and i'd lose them if i court others.

let's switch to the ds. david wasserman, i think joe biden is arguably today the strongest democratic candidate against donald trump. i'm not sure how he can do in the primary and caucus process. you seem to think he's a favorite in the primary and caucus process but maybe not the strongest candidate if he emerges and running against president trump. explain. >> yeah, i think the cw is wrong because joe biden may actually have a harder time in the general election than most democratic voters seem to think. i think that electability perception is an advantage in the primaries. we're as looking at a democratic primary electorate that is older, less white and more moderate than the stereotype of the democratic party, particularly on social media. and joe biden benefits from an important region, the south where outside of the 25 democrats who are running there are zero from the south. unless you count texas which is

really the southwest. but he has a very high support from african-americans who are nostalgic for the obama administration. and he's the only candidate well positioned to hit these critical 15% thresholds to win delegates virtually everywhere right now. he's got key advantages in the primary. but once you fast forward to the election. look for the recent polling for candidates over 75 years of age. only 31% in a recent pew research survey they had they were enthusiastic or comfortable with someone of that age. and considered trump's ability to weaponize social media and other platforms to essentially expose joe biden's four decades of baggage. whether on bussing. or the propensity to hug or touch people. or his moderation or votes in

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one of the best-selling albums of all time. he's stored with david bowie, played with many others including two of the beatles, george harrison and ringo starr. he looks great. has been touring for 50 years. but he recently revealed because of a medical condition, his next tour starting june 18 in tulsa will be his finale. i sat down with him in nashville, the town he now calls his home. ♪ ♪ do you you >> you know when rock gods tell us it's the final tour. we tend not to believe them. in your case, sadly, it might be true. >> it is true. unfortunately, it's not something i want to do, to stop playing ever because that's my passion. so, unfortunately, i inclusion body myositis which is ibm.

and it's a long -- i've had it a long time. it's very slow-moving but it is a degenerative muscle disease. possibly autoimmune. we're not sure. but basically, it affects my leg muscles. they atrophy. and my arms and my hands. so, it hasn't got to the point where it's affected my playing yet. but it's moving that way. and that's basically why i want to go out playing my best. ♪ >> and i know that i can do that this year. so, we changed all of our plans, when i realized things were kind of speeding up with this. and decided that, we would make this a farewell tour. long form, you know. hopefully, you know, i'll be able to do single shows, things like that. but i can't tell you that right now. because it's not up to me. >> so, given the extensive

catalog, how does peter frampton approach the final set list? will there be one set list? multiple set lists? what gets played? >> i'm going to ask the public, the fans, as well as, you know, talking with the band, and what we like to play. ♪ ♪ i wonder how you're feeling ringing in my ears ♪ >> so will be, because people are announcing to me online that they're coming to multiple shows -- >> you, too. >> me, too, yes. >> wow. so, we're going to mix it up. so it won't be a fixed set slis. and it will be good for us and great for the audience. >> you're about to play some iconic venues. are there some that bring back a flood of memories? >> well, madison square garden is somewhere that if when you first play that building, you know that you've achieved something.

because that's an awful lot of seats to fill. you know. so, it's a very exciting venue to play because it's the garden, you know. and we're going to be doing the forum in l.a., too. and ending up, the very last show, we're completing the circle with san francisco, where a majority of it was recorded. playing concord there. my entire family will be there for the last show. >> have you thought about what it might feel like for peter frampton to walk off the stage after that final performance? >> i've thought about it. but i don't think i'll know until i experience it. but it's okay just going to be a sad occasion. but because it will be the end, the crowning joy of that tour, my family, being there and everything, it's going to be a difficult, but enjoyable.

♪ shadow before my eyes and they're moving ♪ >> peter, as you look forward to going on the road potentially for the final time, you're awfully busy recording. >> yes. because i know that i'm limited in how long i have to play, i decided that i would, as soon as we finish 71 shows last year. and then i say, okay, we're going to take nine days off. i've got this wonderful studio here in nashville. thank you. and all of the band came in. and within a ten-day period and a four-day period, we did 23 tracks. ♪ and the blues album "all blues" which is coming out the first week of june is the first release of we now are working on

four albums. so, i can't stop. i can't stop. i don't want to stop. >> we don't want you to stop. i'm looking forward to seeing you on the road. hopefully, multiple times. godspeed and good fortune. >> all right. make sure you send me the numbers you want to heard. >> i like them all. there's nothing in the catalog i haven't enjoyed all these years. >> thank you very much. what a thrill that was for me. still to come, your best and worst. we'll give you the results of the survey question the fbi dispatch to interact with george multi-surface rubber brushes to grab and remove pet hair. and the roomba filter captures 99% of dog and cat allergens. if it's not from irobot, it's not a roomba.

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