lives. but most importantly, having a little more empathy for one another. the view isn't too bad, either. when i was a kid, church meant being dragged out of bed way too early on sunday mornings, being forced to put on my good clothes and getting yelled at in the name of jesus, in the baptist, my grandmother's alabama house. hold on to your house shoes. these day, like the three weeks bob dylan once said, the churches, they are a changing. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> are you ready to run through the bible? ♪

now, despite the fact many of you think i'm a godless marxist heegtsemarx heathen, i went to church a lot as a kid. i don't even like the marx brother but i don't go now and easy to fill up ways to fill up sunday mornings and i found other ways to get the message, from repeated messages of "ed goot -- the good place" and there are places where pass tors begged their members to tithe for their private jets. >> if i want to believe god for

a $65 million plane, you cannot stop me. >> joel 0. steen got so big, he bought the building where the houston rockets played. >> would you pray with me? >> and right now you're thinking, haven't i seen this go badly before? >> remember jim and tammy faye baker. >> and a sex scandal with jessica hann, indicted for wire fraud and spent eight blessed years in prison and today he changed his ways and he can be found selling meal buckets for the rap tour? oh, boy. >> we have been doing what god spoke to me in prison would happen, saying the last days are coming. >> church leaders are rolling in the profits. to be clear, that's profits with an "i." >> and churches of this magnitude wield a lot of power, not just spiritually, also financially, and politically. and to find out what they're doing with that power, i'm going

mega church hopping in dallas, texas. dallas is the birth place of the mega church. with over 200 mega churches in texas, dallas is the buckle of the bible belt and ground zero for some of the most powerful churches in the country. it's sunday morning outside of dallas and i'm attending fellowship church in grapevine texas. >> mega churches have been a pretty new expression in the last couple of decades, or attract, they call, it they don't want to go traditional, they want it to look like the mall of god. >> i invited pastor michael mcbride to attend service and we met on a high level activist email chain that i have no idea how i got on but michael jordan is on it and i found out his church is down the street from me and we got into some trouble together and i like pastor mike's church, which is a feeling of my grandmother with 21st sencentury social justice. >> i have been to your church in

berkeley, california. >> my church don't rival this. >> i mean yours is a beautiful church. a little more homey. >> is it wrong that when i see places like this, i get a little suspicious. >> wrong? >> yeah. >> i don't think it is wrong. it this is like a method to try and amplify a message. so i'm curious about the message. if the message is whack, then all of this is really quite prock mattic, particularly given the amount of time we're in. i'm excited to take a peek in there. >> i'm excited because you're my spiritual backup and also black backup. i feel good today. >> power to the future. >> fellowship church is a southern baptist church. let's break it down real quick. it is time america finally learns about christianity. a mega church is defined by the hartford institute as any protestant christian church having 2,000 or more people in

an average weekend attendance. protestants are, together with the roman catholic church and the orthodox church, nearly 600,000 residents of dallas are protestants that attend baptist, lutheran and methodist churches of all advise size, of all sizes but fellowship has nine campuses across dallas and attract 25,000 people a week with a broadcast reach to millions online. the service in grapevine is broadcast to other satellite churches for all members to see, and thousands of people get up, get out of bed, get tressdresse to a church to watch tv. meanwhile, i have 1100 youtube followers? jealous? i got to see this whole thing works and i asked them to take me to the command center. >> this is the control room. >> is the number like a bible verse? >> i will turn you guys real fast to derrick. pastor ed is here and i will connect with him and make sure

we're ready for the message. >> a preacher's kid, ed grew up under the shadow of his father. after playing hoops at florida state, and cutting his teeth preaching in smaller churches around texas, ed founded fellowship church with his wife lisa in 1996 and figured out a new way of doing church. >> our message is that god is pro sex. >> while the unorthodox methods have received pushback from the more traditional church-goer, ed is not in the business of being traditional. not only a pastor but a grand. ed has written 18 best-sellers and a line of fishing clothes and if you google his network, sources say $11 million. his messages and stage stunts are pulling more and more people in to walk with ed. >> he has camera shots with pastor ed on stage right now going through his message. >> amazing. >> nathan. >> you're literally running

through the whole program. >> twice. >> every week. >> every week. >> where do you rehearse your sermon? >> in my bathroom mirror. >> the level of production, this is like doing the grammys. thanks, everyone. >> this is amazing. >> it is still early and i need my coffee. and since we're a church, obviously they will take me it a cold pot of coffee in the church basement. wait, what? lattes for the lord? >> this is the best coffee shop, church coffee i've ever had, in that it is the only coffee shop in a church coffee i've ever had, but it's good. >> number one, however we can get it. >> this is good. >> these are all volunteers back here. >> how many volunteer does you have a week, total? >> so across the board, i think it is around 1500 volunteers across all of the campuses. every week. >> wow. >> yup, i realized that everybody i had seen had been working for free. the baristas, the people in the control room, the greeters at

the door, the people in the parking lot. this guy, that guy, her, them, them, that guy, everybody, and i get the people volunteer to keep their church, keep it afloat and the dvds aren't free and the fishing gear isn't free. what is happening with all of that money? >> let's do it. >> how you are doing? >> how are you doing man? >> nice to meet you. >> like the jacket. >> thank you. >> pastor mike. >> thanks for being here, man. >> glad you made it. >> touch your neighbor. >> i'm with you today. >> thank you for having us. it is an honor to be here. >> normally i do this, like i go through the kind of vibe and the flow of everything, and i thought you might want to see some of the stuff, i mean maybe that we do. i don't know if it is unique or not. >> it is unique to me because i've never been in a place like this. >> i'm not sure if ed is talking

about the bible or a marvel movie. >> if we are doing the bible, we get microscopic. >> does he go everywhere with that microphone? >> i'm more confused now than i walked in. >> one second he is figuring out details on the sermon, next thing he is live streaming on instagram. >> live everybody. going through the old and new testament today. >> this is amazing. >> this is a run-through. let's go to instagram live. >> boom. >> the kingdom splits. >> how close are we to the first service now? >> about 45 minutes away. man, i'm exhausted. >> you got it? >> got it. >> this is typical. okay. >> every week. >> we have a saying, fc could mean frequent change and we switch things up all the time. >> let's move it, all right. >> my staff quits. >> this show that we're filming right now, i go, can we? no. all right.

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>> >> today i'm talking about the new testament. in under one hour, this congregation throws their hands up to catchy rock songs and every book in the bible. >> talk about the disciples. these guys were tough. and used pastor mike's line. >> touch your neighbor and say you're a disciple and i am. >> the word power is dynamite. >> did i make a good times reference? dynamite. you might want to update your black references. another day of worship is in the books for ed and the crew and as pastor mike and i are sitting in the pulpit, i realize it is as

much showbiz as much as church business. >> as a comedian, i look at it as performance, and i have seen two shows today. >> i'm not scared to say that we entertain, because if you argue, the goes bells, it is entertain, because jesus, entertains, to capture attention is what it means, for a long period of time. >> and people who do not feel invited into the church, i think one of the things that they see when they see a church like this is that why is that where they're spending all that money? >> exactly. >> that's always it. >> i covered that my whole life. >> do you feel that -- >> here, the money, do you feel weird about the money? i mean do you feel like -- >> you know what, no, i don't. but i understand exactly where you're coming from. when we started fellowship church, i don't know, maybe 27,000 dollars a year, and we live in a rented house and all

of that stuff and we brought more than 10% to fellowship and now i make a lot more than that, and we bring well over 10%. don't talk about how much you have. what are you bringing, what you are giving, so god's blessed us, and we give it to him. we do stuff from, with haiti, guatemala, and from our camps, to the up and out, and the down and out. we k-we do a better job? heck yes. >> >> how do you make sure you don't go down that jimmy fay and tammy baker -- >> this this requires a lot of money. >> no doubt. >> and how do you prevent yourself from going down that road? >> you can put boards and systems and this and audits and whatever it is, you can still be going crazy. >> how does all of the money get here? >> churches are both started and maintained with money given by the congregation. it's industry standard to tithe 10% of your yearly earnings to the church you are committed to,

and at this point, like a gym membership, they can take it right out of your bank account. those tithes make up the pile of money that is spent on construction, mission work, av equipment, coffee shop supplies and salaries. mega church pass tors like ed sit forth on independently run boards kind of like their own unions. these groups determine a quote-unquote reasonable wage for each pastor on the board. what is reasonable? god only knows. because they certainly didn't tell us. >> i think it protects us right now. i think texas is a very political state. you know what i mean? do you ever bring up things that are going on in the political moment in your political services? >> not that much. i would have done stuff what would jesus say to lebron james, what would jesus say to donald trump? >> slow down. wait a second. what did he say to donald trump? >> he would be behind satan. >> i try, bible one hand, and newspaper in the other. >> our message is going to be go out and vote. i have never endorsed somebody.

>> given the polarizing moment, where we see white nationalism, and racism, and tribalism, do you ever worry that the american church is not figured out how to bring people away from racism? was jesus a racist? probably not. where's the disconnect? >> i believe when someone is sincerely saved or their eyes are opened, and hopefully, they live that out. but that's something, that's a conversation that we need to have more and more. >> yes, we do. >> i totally agree with that. >> if we don't love each other, we're going to tear this earth apart. >> exactly. >> yes. >> and i just think these conversations, not just conversations, action. >> information. >> application. >> without application is ang an abomination. i'm preaching, and you're shouting now. amen. >> this is hour,s not pastor e

ands no jesus, you're not jesus, by the way. >> that's charles manson. >> golly. >> i got to give him credit. we asked questions and he didn't get mad and even when he said he looks like charles manson. and his congregation clearly loves him. >> show us god, and how we need to have these hard conversations and live out what we're talking about, amen. >> touch me, with your consent. >> touch your neighbor. >> with consent. >> you know, yelling is good. >> thank you. >> god bless you, man. >> in the bible of texas, it's advised to wash your prayers down with a bowl of chili after the service. you know how texas works. eat, pray, football. >> touch your neighbor. >> wow. >> with consent. >> now, just for clarity, am i supposed eat this or is this

just -- >> yes. >> okay. >> so i should be careful? >> well, talking with pastor mike about fellowship, i couldn't help but think about something. >> does that ever get political? do you ever talk about politics in a sermon? >> i haven't. >> how are you not reckoning with the political moment? >> i'm tetting y, i'm telling y, let me tell you something, to be like jesus, to be like him, humble and holy, i want to be like him, except, except when you start talking about who you get to marry, or like -- >> you know, talk about opening up the borders, except when -- >> i want to be like jesus, but -- >> can't serve jesus who was an immigrant and be hating on immigrants when they show up. i mean so either you're following a jesus of your own making, which i would argue many of us are, or you're following the jesus that forces you to have to wrestle with a real,

what would jesus, not do, but what did jesus do? >> what did he do? >> what did he do. we got a ways to go. we got a ways to go. >> i feel like i got challenged. he looked at me like i couldn't handle it. >> don't let your ego get the breast of y-- the best of you, bro. >> i see the sweat. >> i'm starting to see jesus. he doesn't look like charles manson. so that's good. helps keep me feeling dry,

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i still have a lot of questions about mega churches. you know what? time to lawyer up. do they have church lawyers? of course they do. >> is church a business? >> is church a business? churches have to be run like a business oftentimes. >> so i'm here to talk to matt anthony who runs the church law group here in dallas. >> they do budgets and things like that in order to accomplish their charitable purpose. >> i know charities have to report how much of the money they're given ends up where you think it is supposed to go. do churches have that same responsibility? >> charities have to follow public, file public information tax return, 990. church does not have to file a

990. >> do you think there is separation and clump in america? >> i think primarily there is, there is exception and times when the line is crossed especially when it comes to politics. >> as far as i'm concerned, church and politics need to mix but they need to mix the way jesus intended. i know a famous pastor who would agree. enjoy your holiday. let's get into one of the mo controversial topics, right to bear arms, the separation of church and state. the phrase separation of church and state was coined in 190, and away from any political or financial ties and the first amendment states that congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion and then tax exempt status and no real form of checks and balances what is happening in the church and let's be honest, the founders of the country never imagined mega churches the same way they never imagined a billionaire wanting to sell you a flame thrower. mega churches are using religion

and tax free money and funding political campaigns. so things quite haven't separated like the virginia baptist plan. how does this lack of separation affect the people in the pews? >> let me ask you this. >> you're not allowed to ask me. >> that's not what they told me. >> i am at half priced books talking mega churches with dallas native charlene peru it. >> could you see yourself as a member of a mega church? >> i was one of those who went as a kid once in a while but now occasionally, real occasionally. when did you start going to church yourself? >> back in '94 when my sister passed away unexpectedly and i was searching for answers and then a friend of my called me, she said i'm going to the potter's house. and you know td jakes? >> the church was rocking and he came in, and he took us home with the sermon. it was unbelievable. i was there for 16 years.

>> if you enjoyed it and had a good time, why aren't you still going there? >> over time, i wasn't as focus and my mind is drifting and what's he talking about? i couldn't remember the sermon later on, that sort of thing. and one night, i was channel surfing, i had heard about gateway, but this is the first time i had actually heard robert morris preach. and it was tuning in to god's frequency. that was the message. and i was like, you know wow, that was really good. >> like fellowship, gateway church led by pastor robert more sis a multisite mega church based in dallas with a weekly attendance of nearly 30,000 people. it's one of the biggest and most conservative mega churches in the country. it reports revenues of over $120 million. suddenly pastor ed looks like one of the meeks that jesus was talking about. >> what i learned at gateway to have a relationship with god. >> what is the difference between gateway and potter's house. >> the primary difference is it predominantly white, i'm black,

and i got a fro and sometimes i'm walking into this predominantly white church and they're trying to figure me out and i remember going to shake someone's hand, i was kind of like, okay, so you, i'm the only one, you haven't touched very many black people, that sort of thing. >> the limp handshake. >> yes, exactly. i'm used to it. >> but you don't want to be used to the church. >> you don't want to be used to it in the church. >> how long did you go to gateway william. >> i left promptly, after november 9, 2016. >> the day after the election of trump. >> yes. >> what made you do so promptly? >> robert morris had given like what i call talking points. >> we need to vote biblical principles. >> basically telling people to vote for trump. he said everything but his name. >> we are going to give you a voter guide. that simply shows you the values of each person stands for. and that you pray and please cast your ballot. >> in the 2016 election, 58% of

trump voters were protestant christians and thousands and thousands of people attending your church each week and millions of people watching online, church leaders can tweak the message of jesus to look like it aligns with the candidate they want you to support. and sway elections. >> and just what a couple of weeks prior to that, or so, there was an announcement, we were going to start tearing racism down one conversation at a time and now like, you're telling me to vote for a racist? you know. that doesn't jive with me. i couldn't just dismiss, you know, dismiss the fact that we have different ideologies, political ideology, but we also have different social ideologies, it sounds like. >> what has been your process for trying to find a church? >> i just wrote down the names of some churches that i wanted to go visit. and throw them in a zip lock baggy, and pulled it out and i was like, this is where we're going. i haven't found anything that's resonating with me. except for the potter's house. and i may wind up back there.

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and since churches don't have any kind of official government i don't know sight, that power can lead to abuses of the worst kind. we've heard about it a lot in the catholic church. but it ain't just a problem with the vatican. >> new reporting is reviewing abuse at churches across the country. >> virgin is not a sexual preference nor your birth rate, baby. >> emily joy is a poet and an activist who uses her stories to confront the church's history of abuse. >> this ends with me. >> inspired by the me too movement, emily dropped the hash tag church too. >> a lot of my poetry is religious stuff. it is all ripe with religious metaphors and the language that my brain speaks. >> what was church like for you as a kid, like when you were a little kid? >> so my dad was a southern baptist youth pastor when i was

born. i would say the church is the locust of my person as a young person, and the church for me in junior high and high school was nondenominational mega church, lights and fog machines and orders that people had to follow, and my entire social life because we were home schooled so we didn't have school friends so being part of a church community that was so large gave us the opportunity to make lots of friends. >> when i think about church in my life, i think about my grandmother, and it wasn't just a thing that happened on sunday, it was a thing that you touched into all week and also a way for people to check in with you regularly, at church, and if you weren't at church, people would find out what is going on with you. >> and somebody would text me. and then somebody cares where i'm at. >> my grandmother wouldn't text but stop by the house. >> and it is so important for so many people and when it betrays you, you almost feel like your whole house is having the rug ripped out from under you, you know. essentially what happened was i

was groomed for a romantic relationship when i was 16 by a respected volunteer leader who was in his 30s. the way that predators work is they groom their victims by just slowly breaking down like one boundary at a time. but it is little. you know what i'm saying a chip here and a chip here and a chip here and all of a sudden you're having conversations that are like way inappropriate and there was a lot of talking about how, you know, all of the things that he wanted to do to me and how he wanted to marry me and all of this stuff and at 16, you kind of like fancy yourself an adult and no one explained to me that a 16-year-old can't consent it a man in a relationship, a man in his 30s and particularly a man who is in spiritual authority, you know what i'm saying and when it was found out the church kind of swept it under the rug and my parents blamed me, punished me. they made me call him and apologize to him, and that was the last time i ever spoke to him. was me apologizing to him.

it was extremely painful. and put me in a really dark place for a really long time. >> i mean i see that as it is so complicated, with the church, because i would imagine it is also confusion about i'm supposed to be sharing my feeling with people at church. >> yeah, i'm supposed to be sharing my feelings with my youth leaders. >> you probably are not going to see harvey weinstein justify his actions with a chapter and a verse from a bible but you will see a pastor doing that so i don't know what to do with this. me too happened. and i was like, should i? should i out my abuser on twitter right now? probably, huh? okay. so i i'm going to do it. i sat down and i wrote it out. and i pressed the button. by the morning, it had gone viral. and this feels like a thing that people want to talk about. like clearly this is a thing that is resonating. >> did you include his name and the name of the church. i name names always. i think, you know, some people

want to name names and some people don't, and i think sometimes it is not safe to name names, for me, it was, so i did. >> how did you feel about the response? >> i was shocked that all of a sudden, like it was actually gaining traction. you know, and people were caring and people were sharing the stories, and people were like calling me wanting to do interview, and all this kind of stuff and i'm like, ya'll care? because so many people, so many lovely people i know have been trying for a long time to get these stories into the public eye and now they are and i'm really grateful. >> do you ever imagine seeing the abuser again? do you ever have those ideas or those thoughts, like what you would say? >> what i would say? >> i don't know. i'm just wondering. >> oh, yeah, no, i would say, you messed with the wrong bitch.

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♪ thank you so much. battery charging. ♪ with giant cathedrals and seating for thousands, they may all start to look the same but there is more than one kind of mega church in dallas. >> i'm just a jesus who is up there, but a jesus who is in janice. even when she does drag shows at s-4 on sunday nights. >> the cathedral of hope is the

largest lbgtq church in the world. pastor neil harris leads worship here. the mission is simple. change the narrative. >> the congregation was founded in 1927 out of the lgbt movement. >> i can tell you were born and raised in dallas. >> east dallas. >> i was born and raised in great britain. was 18 when i went to seminary. i came to learn very quickly that the church could be wrong. and that the church is really a human made institution. that has rules and regulations that often have nothing to do with the one that we follow, that we call jesus. and that was helpful to me, as i later came out as a gay man. >> you're doing all the things. so how long have you been here? >> three and a half years. >> okay. >> part of what i wanted to do was to welcome people who have left churches, because they can't cope with the hate that there is often preached from their churches. i know mega church pastors who

would never admit they know me but i know mega church pastors who say i wish i had the courage to preach what you preach. but if i do, i lose my pulpit and attendance falls. >> how does this become the face of christianity? like do you feel a need to like compete with that in some way? >> no, no, i think you live with authenticity. i think people are tired of unauthentic leadership and we have to take some responsibility for what the church has created. and the church has created racism and sexism and age-ism and homophobia and transphoba, not because of jesus, but because of white privilege and power and money. and so our job is to break those systems of oppression, and that includes calling the church to repentance. and no social justice effort in the united states has ever been successful without the church on board. >> you head south of the city,

one of the largest mega churches in south dallas is all about social justice. friendship west. >> the values of racism, and devalues people of color, age-ism, overlooks the age, and those who are differently abled are second class citizens and the impoverished are rendered invisible and have no voice. >> for 35 years, dr. haynes has served as a visionary for the ministry and membership has grown from less than 100 members in 1983 to 14,000 today because of the work that he does and because of this. >> how do you fit into this mega church universe? >> strange, because i've been told that a church that emphasizes social justice can't grow. and attract people. but that's been our emphasis. and so i think we contradict that. >> a lot of it is also connected to wealth.

there's like preachers who make nba basketball money, maybe not starting money but six man money. >> i just googled your network, i didn't find anything. >> that may be a reflection of what i have. >> but being in a building that is huge and as beautiful and ornate do you feel you're in line? >> without question, but to me, it is an instrument of the service of the community and that's why it is called friendship we friendship west worship and conference center. >> block to school party. free haircuts. free immunizations. >> we are having a massive career fair. >> we use it for much-needed economic empowerment. on a side of town that's neglected. you know, my ministerial hero is martin luther king jr. and what would king's ministry look like in the 21st century? and that's what we try to build. >> some pastors say i stay out

of politics. >> right. >> but there are certainly people who stand in the pulpit and say everything but. >> you know, i think shoe vote for somebody who is making america great, you know, that kind of thing. >> kind of blatant. >> what do you think about that thing is you should not be political? >> well, i mean honestly, i think it's kind of fake to say you're not political, because you can't even go to the bathroom without it being political. so then why not have some kind of influence that is, you know, righteous? for me, it's like i can't help but be involved in politics, because i'm pushing for justice. >> 26-year-old bartham john was shot and killed in his own apartment, by off-duty police officer amber geiger, who thought was a burglary, and he was watching a football game. >> here is a young man in his apartment minding his own business, a church worship leader and he gets shop. i was determined that we take advantage of this moment to make

some serious systemic changes. i joined in, the marches, the protests, and also have been in conversation with the mayor, the district attorney, as well as the police chief. >> we are calling for the dallas police department to do everything that they need to do to reform that police department. >> so we've been involved from talking to those in the suites, to dealing with, you know, trying to push for change in the streets. >> and so what are you doing tonight? what's happening tonight here? >> tonight is bible study. >> when i think bible study, i think church basements, cookie, quiet reflection but not at the west. tonight, there's a message to be heard, just like any given sunday. there's a choir. choreographed dancers. and a cathedral packed with eager members ready to hear the pastor tell it like it is. >> have you ever been betrayed? betrayed? betrayal can really make you

bitter. you have ever felt betrayed by a country? i'm talking about this one. it happens. i told you all how there's a t-shirt that says don't let your president -- >> yes, yes. when you are secure in your walk with god, don't let what they do to you get in you but keep your eyes on the destiny that god has for you and your eyes on that domesticity says even betrayal can be used to get me where god is trying to protect me. i always rise again everyone when you told me then. >> listening to pastor freddy haynes. they call it bible study.

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you have a calling and you want to share with the people. if you talk to god, give him a message and burn your church. >> how are you doing? >> i am michael. >> nice to meet you. >> we are about to hop the fence. >> oh, we are hopping the fence? >> we are hopping the fence with the lord? you show me the holly house. >> david's congregation is one of the fastest growing churches in dallas. michael armstrong is copastor of the web. >> this is your property? >> it will be in a few months. >> he's looking to break new ground as a ministry. >> how big is your congregation now? >> they all came on one sunday. we had 600 or 700 people and

next is tens of thousands of homes half a mile from here. >> if you build it, they'll come to intuition. >> where dos the money come from? >> we share our vision of what we want to do. we don't ask them money. how can we give to this? there is a box in the back, put your money in it. if they don't believe in it, they're not going to give. they give us enough to buy this land. >> this is all donation from your congregation? >> yes, is that amazing. >> you got it. >> it is in there some where. >> it is in this some where about a rich man getting into heaven. >> you have to have thoughts about you see these preachers living high in the hog -- it disndi does not make sense to me. i can't imagine getting into and -- you have accountability

in place and you start to think it is all about you. we have done everything we can to make sure the best is not happening. the church culture, america is suffering. >> i know that a lot of church have become, it is like a self health seminar with the opening act. >> hey, look, it is great for entertainment. >> uh-huh. >> you kind of leave saying i feel pretty good. it is not changing. >> you go to these buildings one day a week and go home and try to live life. when jesus came in, it is all about this. this is church. >> i need you. >> you need me? >> i don't know if you have noticed, it is tough. >> yeah. >> where do you go for answers? >> you go to your friends and you just need to talk. how do you do this, man?

>> how i do it is have a tv show and i talk to people. >> not everybody gets to do that. >> i am doing a privilege style. this week i am talking to multiple ministers. >> i am a person as i get older and more kids, i need to show up back in church again. >> you find some people that you can have this kind of conversation with. >> some people don't think churches are doing it anymore. >> we want to do the same thing here. we want everybody to come here on sundays, just like this. >> i love staying on this land and imagining what's coming. >> it is exciting oche and imagining what's coming. >> it is exciting ochxciting. >> can you pray here? >> it is fine with me. >> let's do it. >> can i put my hand on you? >> i don't want you to feel weird. >> hey lord, we love you. it is unbelievable that you have from where he was raised and born, you have him on this

platform where he gets to speak to the whole world. he can change the world for the good. so he also those things for your name and jesus. amen. >> i am a hugger. >> you can touch me, i am going to hug you. >> thank you, man. >> i appreciate it. >> i want to see it and be the place you want to be. >> mostly you come back and acting like you don't know me. you get out and wear a living white suit. >> oh man, you go to the wrong church, bro. >> your boots will be be dazzled. keep checking in on us. >> today the face of christianity. if you want a megachurch, it is up to you. you want to do good deed for your community? great. you want to confront the system that we live in, absolutely. if you are okay with your pastor getting rich in the process? okay, it is up to you.

as pastor mike says, it is not what jesus do, it is what jesus will do. these churches are empower and shape the world we live otherwise -- when we first did the show, you should know the whole idea of this show. a place where a black guy going to places he should not go. where should he go? i don't know, maybe we should go talk to the ku klux klan? that was their reaction and it got quiet. it may be good for raining. when i pitched the ku klux klan idea, i didn't