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despite the fact that many think that i am am godde-- i go church. like a lot of us, i don't go now. i found other ways to get the message. a lot of folks still looking for the message of jesus. >> that's the god we serve. that's the first miracle he does. >> those folks are joining megachurches and record numbers. you know the ones? ones filling kevin hart stadiums or bieber performing.

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mega-church hopping in dallas, texas. dallas is the birthplace of mega-church. dallas is the buffalo of the bible and ground zero of some of the most powerful church es in the country. it is sunday morning, outside of dallas, i am attending fellowship church outside of grapevine, texas. >> they don't want to look traditional, they want to look like the mall of god. >> i have invited my man of the cloth, pastor michael mcbride to attend service with me. i found out his church is down tp stre the street with me. i like pastor mike's church because it got the feeling of my deb grandma in the 21st century. >> i appreciate all of us and

all of you participated. >> i have been in your church in berkeley, california. >> yours are a beautiful church. a little homie. is it wrong when i see places like this, i get a little suspicious? >> wrong? no, i don't think it is wrong. this is like a message to amplify a message. i am curious of the message. if the message is black -- all it is is really quite problematic particularly given the moment of time. i am excited to take a peek in there. >> you are not only my spiritual backup but my black backup. >> proud to be. >> let's go. >> this is like going to the arena. fellowship church is a southern baptist church. let's break it down real quick. it is time america finally learns about christianity. a mega-church, having 2,000 more people attending.

with catholic church and orthodox church. nearly 600,000 residence of dallas are protestants. fellowship has nine campuses across dallas. they attract 25,000 people a week with a broadcast reaching to millions online. that means thousands of people get up and get out of bed and get dressed and go to a church to watch tv. meanwhile, i have 1100 youtube followers, jealous? i got to see how this whole thing works. i asked him to take me to the wholly command center. >> this is our control room. >> is the password like a bible verse? >> i am going to turn you guys over real fast to derek.

i am going to connect with him to make sure we are ready for the message. after playing hoops in florida state, hey, that's d-1. ed found the fellowship church with his wife lisa in 1996 and figured out a new way of doing church. >> our message is that god is with us. >> while he's an orthodox, ed is in the business of being traditional. he's not only a pastor but a brand. ed has written 15 new york times best sellers and owns a lot of casual fishing clothes. if you google his network, sources say $11 million. >> ed's occasional stage stunt are pulling more and more people walking in. >> he's amazing. >> you are literally running

through the whole program. >> every week. >> where do you run through your verse? >> in the bathroom. >> it is like doing the grammy's. it is still early and i need my coffee. lattes for the lord? this is the best church couffee shop and it is the only coffee shop in a church ever. >> we'll take number one however we can get it. >> these are our volunteers back here. >> how many volunteers do you have a week? >> across the board, i think around 1500 volunteers. >> every week? >> wow. >> yep, i almost didn't take, i realized everybody i seen had been working for free, the

baristas and the people in the control room and this guy and that guy, they're all working for free. everybody. i get that people volunteer to help their church stay afloat and serve the community. the dvds are not free, this casual fishing gear is not free. what's happening to all that money. >> let's do it. >> hi kamau. >> how are you doing ? >> i am good. nice to meet you. >> what's up, mike. >> thank for being here. >> thank you for having us. >> no doubt. >> normally i do this like, i go through the kind of vibe and the flow of everything and i thought you may want to see some stuff maybe that we do. > >> yeah. >> i don't know if it is unique or not. >> it is unique to me because i have never been to a place like this. >> i am not sure if ed is

putting a pitch for a marvel movie. >> i appreciate the enthusiasm. >> somebody help me. [ laughter ] >> does he go everywhere with that microphone? >> i am more confused now than when i walked in. >> next thing he's live streaming on instagram. >> welcome to instagram live everybody, going through the testament today. >> let's go to instagram live. >> service is 45 minutes away. >> man, i am exhausted. >> you got it from andy. >> this is typical. >> every week. >> we have a saying, fc can meet frequent change. he switches things up all the time. >> all right. >> my staff quits. [ laughter ] >> this show that we are filming right now -- can we do it later? >> no.

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>> what do you love about this church? >> the message it is easy to understand. after the rehearsal is over, we are ready for the message. >> how are y'all doing? it is a mega-church, this is not your usual marathon. today i am talking about the new te testament. about 27 minutes. this congregation throwing their hands up and running on stage talking about every book in the bible. >> disciples, these guys were tough. >> touch your neighbor and saying you are a disciple and so am i. the word "power," is dynamite, we get the word dynamite from it. >> you dynamite want to update your black reference. as pastor mike and i sit in the pool pit, i have been seeing this as much of show business as church business. as a comedian, i look at this as

part of a performance and you have two shows today. >> no doubt of a performance. i am not scared to say we are entertaining. if you look at the gospels, i can argue that jesus entertains. what's the word entertainment? means to capture and hold someone's attention for a period of time. i hope we don't come off snick or polished or whatever -- i don't want it to be. >> people who do not feel invited into the church, one of the things they see is why are they spending all that money. >> exactly. >> do you feel weird about the money? >> no. >> i don't but i understand exact li whely where you are co from. >> when i started fellowship church, we were making $20,000 a year.

we brought more than 10% fellowship and now i make a lot more than that and we bring well over 10%. don don't talk about how much money you have. what are you bringing? we give it to him. >> we do stuff with haiti and guatemala and from our camps to up and out and down the out. we do a better job? heck yes. >> how do uma i can suyou make don't go down that jimmy bakker. this requires a lot of money? >> no doubt. >> you can put boards and systems and audit os or whateve it is. you can still go crazy. >> how does all the money get here? churches maintaining with money given by the congregation. it is industry standards to tie 10% year earnings to the church

and at this point, a gym membership can take money right out of your bank account. mega-church pastor like ed putting it together independent run board. >> what's responsible? god only knows because they certainly did not tell us. >> god is protecting us being a political state. >> do you bring up things that are going up in the political moment in your service spn youss moment in your service services? >> not that much. >> i have done stuff like what would jesus say to lebron james or what would jesus say to donald trump? >> wait, hold on a second, what did jesus say to donald trump? >> our message is going to be going out. i have never endorsed --

>> given the polarizing moment where we see white nationalism and racism and triablism, do you worry that the american church has not figured out how to disciple people away from racism? >> yes. >> is jesus racist? where is the disconnect? if someone sincerely saved, their eyes are opened and hopefully they live that out. >> that's a conversation we need to have more and more. >> yeah, we do. >> i totally agree with that. >> if we don't love each other, we'll tear this earth apart. >> exactly. >> heck to the yes. >> these conversations, they're not conversations. >> information without application. it is not an abomination, i am preaching better, amen! >> this is our pastor ed, you

are not jesus. >> that's not jesus either. >> that's charles manson. >> come on man, golly. >> i am happy i got to talk to ed today. he let us ask questions and he did not get defensive and even when pastor mike said jesus looks like charles manson. >> show god how to have these hard conversations and what it means to live out what we talked about. amen. >> let me hear it. >> touch your neighbor with consent. >> you know -- >> it is good. >> thank you. >> god bless you, man. >> the bible of texas, it is advised to watch your prayers down with a bowl of chilly after service. you know how texas works? eat, pray and football. >> oh, touch your neighbor. >> just for clarity, am i

supposed to eat this? >> yes. >> eat it. >> okay, okay. >> talking to pastor mike about fellowship, i could not help to think about something. does it get political? >> how are you not reckoning a political moment. >> i am tempting you that's quite, you know, to be like jesus. so humble and holy, oh, i want to be like him except -- [ laughter ] >> except when he starts talking about who you get to married or opening up the border. >> yeah, i want to be like jesus. you can't serve jesus like an immigrant and behaving like an immigrant when they show up. either you are following a jesus of your own making which i would argue many of us are or you are following the jesus that forces

you to have to wrestle with a real of what will jesus not do, but did jesus do. >> what did he do? >> we got a way to go. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i feel like i got challenged. you looked at me like i could not handle it. >> don't let it the best of you, bro. >> i see the sweat. [ laughter ] >> you do not look like charles manson, that's good. [music and singing in the background] [music and singing in the background]

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time to lawyer up. do they have church lawyers? of course, they did. is church a business? is church a business? church has to be run like a business oftentimes. i am here to talk to matt anthony who runs a church law group here in dallas. >> they have budget and things like that. >> i know charities have to report how much money they given ends up where they go. >> churches don't have to follow a 990. >> i think primarily there is,

there is exceptions and there are lines to cross especially politics. >> church and politics need mix, they need to mix the way jesus intended. enjoy your holiday. let's get to the most controversial topics out there, the rights to bear arms and separation of church and state. the phrase was coined in 1802. they did not think it should be treated as a business. congress should make no law respecting establishment of religion then along came tax exempt status and no real form of checks and balances of what's happening in the church. the founders of this country never imagined mega churches the same way they imagine a billionaire want to sell you a

mega flame thrower. things have not separated like the virginia plan. how does this affect the people in the pews. let me ask you this. >> wait, you are not allowed to ask me. that's not what they told me. >> okay. >> i am at half price books. >> good to see yourself as a member of the mega church. >> i am one of those going to church occasionally. tell me at which point you decided to go to church yourself. >> back in '94 when my sister passed away unexpectedly. i was searching for answers then a friend of mine called me, i am going to the potter's house, you know t.d. jakes? the church was rocking and he just came in and took us home with the sermons. it was unbelievable. i was there for 16 years. >> did you enjoyed it?

>> overtime i started to see, i was not as focused and my mind was drifting. okay, what is he talking about? i could not remember the sermons later on and that sort of thing. one night i was channel surfing and i heard of gateway. i was tuning into god frequent si, that was the message. wow, that was really good. >> like fellowship gateway church led by patrick morris is a multi church in dallas with weekly attendees of 30,000 people. its revenue is over $120 million. suddenly pastor ed looks like one of the meat jesus was talking about. what i learned at gateway was how to have a relationship with god. >> what's the difference? >> primary difference is it is predominantly white. i am black, i got a fro.

sometimes i am walking into a predominantly white church and they're trying to figure me out. >> i remember going to shake someone's hand. so you have not touched very many black people, you know that sort of thing. >> the lifting of the hands. >> yes, exactly. >> i am used to it. >> you don't want to be used todd the church. >> no, you don't want to be used to it at church. >> how long were you at gateway? >> i left promptly. >> the day after the election of trump. >> yes. >> what make you do so promptly? >> talking points. >> we need to vote biblical principles. basically telling people to vote for trump. he said everything but his name. >> we are going to give you a voter guy that shows you the person each person stands for. >> 50% of trump voters were

protest tent christians. churches can tweet the message of jesus and sway elections. >> just a couple of weeks prior to that or so, there was an announcement that we'll start tearing racism down one conversation at a time. now you are telling me to vote for a racist? >> that does not go with me. i could not dismiss the fact that we had different political ideolo ideology. >> what has been your process in finding your journey? >> i wrote down the names of some churches that i want to visit. put it in a zip locked bag and pulled it out. this is where i am going. i have not found anything that resonated with me except for the potter's town. i may wound up back there.

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this ends with me. [ applause ] >> a lot of my poetry is about religious stuff. >> what was church like for you when you were a kid. >> my dad was a southern baptist youth pastor when i was born. i would say church was the

speaks. the church was non-denominational hall. there was a lot of lights and fog machines and little orders and my entire social life because we were home schooled. we did not have school friends. being apart of a church community that was so large gave us the opportunity to make a lot of friends. >> when i think of church and my life, i think of my grandmother. >> it was also people checking in with you. if you were not at church, you find out what's going on with you. >> and somebody would text you, oh, i have a community that cares where i am at. >> it is so important for so many people. when it betrays you, you almost feel like your whole life is having the rug ripped out under you. >> essentially what happens was

i was groomed for a romantic relationship from a volunteer leader. they groom victims breaking down one boundary at a time, it is little, a chip here and here and all of a sudden, you are having conversations that's way inappropriate. there were a lot of talking about all the things he want todd do and how he wanted to marry me. at 16, you fancy yourself as an adult. no one explained to me a 16-year-old cannot consent their relationship with a man in his 30s. when it was found out, the church swept it under the rug. my parents blamed me and punished me. they made me call him and apologize to him. that was the last time i spoke to him was me apologizing to

him. it was extremely painful and put me in a really dark place for a long time. >> i see that as, it is so complicated for the church because i imagine it confuses you about, i am supposed to be sharing my feelings with people at church. >> yeah, my youth leaders. you are not going to see harvey weinstein justifying his action with the chapter of a verse in the bible? but you will see a pastor doing that. so i was like i don't know what to do with this. >> me too happened. >> yeah. >> should i out my abuser on twitter right now? probably yeah. >> okay, i am going to do it. >> yeah. >> i sat down and i wrote it out and i pressed the button. by the morning, it had gone viral. this feels like a thing that people wanted to talk about. >> did you include his name in it? >> yeah, and the name of the church. >> oh wow. >>

name names and some people don't. people were calling me and wanting to do interviews. y'all care? so many lovely people that i know have been trying for a long time to get these stories to the public eye and now they are. i am really grateful. >> do you imagine seeing the abuser again? do you have those ideas or those thoughts or what you would say? >> what i would say? >> i don't know, i am just wond wonderi wondering. >> i would say you mess with the wrong -- [ laughter ]

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there is more than one kind of mega church in dallas. >> i am just a jesus who's up there. a jesus, everyon when she does g

shows. >> pastor harris, his mission is separate. change the narrative. >> i can tell from your accept that you were born here and raised in dallas. >> yes, very east dallas. >> i was borned a and raised in great britain. i was 18 when i came. the church can be brought. and, church is really a human made institutions and often has nothing to do with the one we follow as we call it jesus. >> yeah. >> that was helpful to me as i later came out as a gay man. >> you are doing all these things. so how long have you been here? >> three and a half years. >> all right. >> part of what i wanted to do is welcome people who have left churches because they can't cope with the hate.

i know mega church pastors who would never admit they know me. i know mega church pastors who say i wish i had the courage to preach what you preach. >> how does this become the face of christianity? do you feel a need to like compete with that in some way? >> no. you live with authenticity. people are tired of unauthentic. >> and so our job is to break those systems of depression. that includes calling the church to repenitence. no social justice ever in the united states ever successful without the church on board. >> we head south to the city,

one of the largest mega church in dallas, friendship west baptist church founded by dr. haynes. >> ageism overlooks the age and those who are differently able are treated as second class citizens, the impoverished are rendered. >> dhe has served and gained 14,000 today because of the work he does. >> how do you fit into this mega church universe? >> strange because i have been told that a church that emphasized social justice can't grow and attract people but that's been our emphasis. i think we contradict that. a lot of it is connected to

wealth. there is some people who makes nba basketball money, you know? >> which was good money. >> i googled your network and i didn't find anything. >> maybe that's a reflection of what i have. [ laughter ] >> being in a billiuilding that huge and beautiful and ornate, do you feel you are in line in the network? >> no question, it is an instrument of service to the community. that's why it is called a friendship worship. >> this is our back to school community block party, we are doing free haircuts and free immunizations. we use it for much needed economic and empowerment on a side of town that's neglected, my hero is martin luther king jr. and what would king's ministry looked like in the 21st century? that's what we try to bill.

-- build. >> there are certainly people who stayed in the pool and say everything but. >> i think you should vote for somebody making america great. >> it is kind of blatant. >> what do you think of it? >> i think it is kind of fake to say you are not political because you kants can't go to t bathroom without being political. >> why not have some kind of influence that's righteous? for me it is like i can't help but be involved in politics because i am pushing for justice. 26-year-old botham jean was shot and killed in his apartment where the officer thought he was a burglar. he was watching a football game. here is a young man in his apartment miening his business and he gets shot. >> i was determined that we take

advantage of this moment to take some serious systematic changes. i joined the marches and the protests and also had been in conversations with the mayor and the district attorney as well as the police chief. >> we are calling for the dallas police department to do everything they need to do to reform that police department. >> we have been involved from talking to those and dealing with trying to push for change in the streets. >> yeah. what are you doing tonight? >> tonight is bible study. >> when i think of bible study, i think of church basement and quiet reflection, not at the west. there is a message to be heard just like any given sunday. >> there is a choir and choreograph dancers. the pastor tell s it like it is. >> maybe i have been betrayed.

betrayal can make you bitter. have you felt betrayed by a country? i am talking about this one. it happens. i told you all -- there is a t-shirt says don't let your president. y'all are church people. you're not supposed to know about that t-shirt, okay? when you are secure in your walk with god, don't let what they do to you get in you, but keep your eyes on the destiny that god has for you and your eyes on that destiny says even betrayal can be used to get me where god is trying to take me. and i always rise again, even when you throw me down. >> just coming out of friendship-west listening to pastor freddie haynes. they call it bible study. just felt like preaching. when i was in there, i wasn't

making a tv show, i was just in church. all the stuff he was talking about, stuff i think about, talk to my friends about, my people about. i think a lot of americans stopped going to church at some point because it's not speaking to them anymore. i actually was like, whoa, wait a minute, this one's talking to me. anyway -- i'm glad to know it's here. because one day i might need it. ♪ usic] bonvoy. bonvoy. bonvoy. bonvoy. bonvoy. bonvoy. discover the new language of travel. marriott bonvoy. 30 hotel brands. endless experiences. rewards reimagined.

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the purpose of going into ministry is because you have a calling and you want to share the message with the people. so if you talk to god and he gave you a message, you got to build your church. >> hello. how are you? >> good, how are you doing? i'm michael. >> kamau, nice to meet you. >> good to meet you, man. >> we're about to hop a fence. >> we're hopping a fence? >> this is like some real texas. so we're hopping the fence for the lord. you show me the holy hop. >> three years ago, the well church held service out of a member's living room. today the congregation fills an entire high school auditorium and is one of the fastest growing churches in dallas. so this is your property? >> it will be in a few months. >> i think if they all came on one sunday, i don't know, we have 600 or 700 people maybe. >> okay. >> in the next probably decade, there will be tens of thousands of homes a half a mile from here.

>> so this is if you build it they will come situation. >> well, they're coming. >> where does the money come from from this? >> we just share the vision of what we want to do on this piece of property. >> mmm-hmm. >> we don't ask people for money. we don't pass a plate. if people believe in what we're doing, they ask us, hey, man, how can we give to this? there is a box in the back, put your money in it. if they don't believe it, they're not going to give. right now they've given enough for us to buy this land. >> wow. this is all donations from your congregation? >> isn't that amazing? >> i remember that bible verse about rich man, heaven. i don't remember exactly -- you probably got it. >> it's in there somewhere. >> rich man getting into heaven. >> harder than a camel through the eye of a needle. >> there you go. preachers living high on the hog. >> i see that kind of stuff. it doesn't make sense to me. i can't make you would get into the ministry ever thinking you were going to be, like, rich, but all of a sudden your church grows. if you don't have accountability

in place, you start thinking it's all about you. we've done everything we can to make sure that's not going to happen. >> okay. >> because i think the church culture in america is suffering. i think people maybe fall away from the church. why? i know that a lot of churches have become -- it's like a -- it's like a self-help seminar with the rock show as the opening act. and, look, that's great free entertainment, but you kind of leaving saying, man, that was good, but it's not changing you. >> yeah. >> we go to these buildings one day a week and go home and try to live life. when jesus came, it was all about this, you know? if we're doing this, doing it the right way, this is church, right? >> yeah, yeah. >> i need you. you need me. >> what was it, we're -- two of us are more -- >> two or more are gathered. there he is. there it is right there. i don't know if you've noticed, but it's tough, right? >> yeah. >> where do you go for answers? you go to your friends. we need to be able to talk and have hard conversations. like how do you do this, man? >> the way i do it is by having a tv show where i get to go and

talk to interesting people and have those hard conversations. >> not everybody gets to do that. >> i get that. i'm living a privileged lifestyle. this week i'm talking to multiple ministers. even still i'm a person who as i got older and had more kids i'm like, maybe i need to show back up in church again. >> you don't have to go back to a building. you just need to find some people to have these kinds of conversations with. >> everything you're saying is i think everything people want to hear. i think people think churches aren't doing anymore. >> we want to have everybody come here, not on sundays, but just like this. >> i love the feeling of standing on this land imagining what is to come next. >> well, it's exciting. >> can you pray for me right now? can you do that? >> is this okay? >> it's fine with me. i feel like you're talking about it and i want to -- >> let's do it. can i put my hand on you. >> please do. please do. >> i don't want you to feel weird. >> no, i don't feel weird. >> lord, we love you. i thank you for kamau. this is just unbelievable that you have from where he was raised, where he was born you

have him on this platform where he gets to speak to the whole world. he gets to talk about things that no one wants to talk about and he can change the world and change it for the good. so we ask those things for your name, in jesus' name. amen. >> amen. can i give you a hug? >> i'm a hugger. >> if you're going to touch me, i'm going to hug you. >> thank you, man. i appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you. i want to come back and see it be the place you want it to be. mostly act like you don't know me and got sunglasses on and a cessna lands right there and you get out and you're wearing like a linen white suit. >> linen? oh, man, you go to the wrong church, bro. >> and your boots will be be dazzled. >> keep checking in on us. >> today the face of christianity is the megachurch, and if you want to megachurch, how you megachurch is up to you. if you want to do good deeds in your community, great. if you want to confront the political system we live in, absolutely. and if you're okay with your pastor getting rich in the process, i guess that's up to you.

but it's like what pastor mike said. not what would jesus do? what did jesus do? we need to get the message consistent with the dude. these messages will shape the world we live in. otherwise -- >> $3,750 for seven years of food all in these beautiful buckets. she was hit by a drunk driver. i don't think my family's ever going to be the same. >> i drank every day a pint of whiskey, you know, for breakfast. >> they had to do surgery to save her life. >> i don't remember much at all. >> i really want her to see the damage that was done. >> i know there's going to be some difficult questions. >> i carry the burden from her mistake, and that's a very, very tough thing to swallow.