there's no piles of hay or even a green room. the question now is does he have any support for his team? i'm going to say vice president prince is going to take a pass on anything involving jockeys. so as only president trump can explain what following rules has to do with political correctness. remember, rules are for losers so if the horseshoe fits, wear it on the ridiculist. that's it for us. the news continues. >> black beauty is not only black, she's also arabian. well done a.c. all right, all right. thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo. welcome to primetime. this president is determined to oppose. he has his attorney general saying no to giving congress the

full mueller report and now secretary of the treasury saying no on the president's tax return to congress. rule of law matters but how do you enforce? what does the saw say about any of this? and now we need to add mueller to the list. the president no longer wants the man that totally exonerated him to tell all. what is he afraid of? and will his ag hide mueller too? what are they going to do come wednesday. one of the strictest abortion laws in the nation is about to go into effect. many see this as being about politics, i don't. i see it as about rights and the biggest push to take them away in a generation. so what do you say? let's get after it. all right.

the president's treasury secretary says he isn't giving over six years of the president's tax returns because bill barr told him not to. what will this do for the contempt vote wednesday in the house. we'll deal with that with steve cohen congressman from tennessee on the judiciary committee. let's take this up with a couple of experts about what the law is and what can happen and what should not happen. let me start with you. help me with this. why am i even talking about it? >> the law says certain people go to the irs. where does he come into it? >> the law says the secretary but under a delegation order the responsibility to comply with the law has been given to the irs commissioner who is a tax lawyer. the fact that mnuchin has

stepped in suggests that redding is unwilling to openly break the law which could put his law license in california in jeopardy as well as putting him in jeopardy eventually of five years in prison. this is an interesting thing that mnuchin that is completely royal to donald trump clearly at this point regardless of what the constitutions and the laws say is being put out front, not r reddick. >> that does contemplate that the irs would be the one deciding this. we have never heard from anybody on that side of it. now the legal case becomes well this is not a legitimate exercise of oversight so i cannot comply. sorry. good enough? >> it's not good enough. congress has broad oversight powers and when it has a legislative power, like the power to tax, it has this power

to have oversight over the enforcement of that law. here particularly, this particular law that the ways and means committee is using to request this tax return actually stems from a circumstance that's relevant to our particular case right now which is to have oversight over potential financial interests of public officials that maybe impacting how they are going about their public duties. so in terms of the legislative intent of this law in particular i think congress has a strong case here and the secretary, i don't know where he's coming from on this one. >> i determined that the committee's request lacks a legitimate legislative purpose. the problem with the law is it doesn't give you any discretion. it just says shall. so shouldn't this be the

president's personal lawyer going to court and suing, getting whatever the federal equivalent of an article 78 proceeding is? we need a preliminary injunction? don't take my guys taxes. >> it should be his personal lawyer trying to fight this and by the way, you know, the same law also says that the president has the right to see anybody's tax return. by the same method and request. he wrote a book in which he pointed out the investigative powers of congress are more important than it's legislative powers. we cannot have a system of checks and balances if there are no checks and balances and that's what seems to be going on here with barr and other matters and the mueller report and we'll see more of this absolute defiance of the constitution and

at this point it's pretty clear he doesn't care. >> he knows how to say no though. so what becomes the check to restore the balance? >>. >> well, i think that congress is issuing subpoenas. they'll end up in court because the white house is stone walling them at every front. the problem here is that they are grounding these subpoenas in their oversight authority and they have strong grounds here but ultimately that is an implied power in the constitution and it kind of gives some leway for the white house to be able to challenge it. if they were to invoke their impeachment power which is an explicit power layed out in the constitution and say that this is the grounds on which they are trying to obtain evidence or information they would have a much stronger platform. >> so you have to be careful from the president's perspective of whether or not he gets

hoisted. that all of this saying no and all of this that he's using as a weapon right now blows up in his face and almost forces him to go down the impeachment route. that takes us to wednesday. so what is your suggestion about where this leads? do you think they vote in the house to hold the ag in contempt? does that get them what they want? >> well, political and legal areas separate at this point. congress has the ability to hold the attorney general in contempt and have it go to court but they also have inherent contempt and congress has in the past, though it's been more than 100 years had the sergeant of arms arrest people. they tried people and incarcerated them. i doubt that would go over well with the public. the democrats have a problem here. they need to make it clear that they are following their duty.

and they're being provoked by the president. >> inherent contempt. i've seen it in your eyes on this show. the compelling need to protect the autonomy and effectiveness of its investigations. the idea of this being a battle of whether or not this is oversight or overreach. how do you see it? >> i see this now as a fundamental battle of our structure of government. this is about congress's power as an institution to act as a oversight on the executive branch. remember there are a lot of questions that end up as battles between the executive and congress that are not usable in court. in other words the courts will not necessarily intervene because they expect these branches to work it out. so when you flout the norm of

that compromise, that back and forth. there's always a little tension there you're eroding a very important institution didn't this grow out of the teapot dome. >> it did so this was about it. >> what can they do? what should they do? what will they do? what are you going to do about it? congressman cohen, here he is. he looks serious. how seriously are they going to act? next.

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committee continues to push for testimony from robert mueller despite saying the special counsel shouldn't say a word. we have a member of that committee. good to have you sir. >> hey, chris. >> so what does this letter do? what does the president saying i don't think mueller should testify do to your sense of urgency to have him? and where are we on that becoming a reality? we're doing all we can to get bob mueller to testify before our committee because the rule is that the person with the most knowledge should be the one to testify. bob mueller has the most knowledge of the mueller report and should tell the american public what it contains as he said in his letter to bill barr after his 3.5 page summary was known that it didn't correctly reflect the context or the meaning of his report. he needs to come.

i think we're doing all we can. i don't know if it will happen this month. >> why wouldn't it? who can stop it? >> he's still an employee of the justice department. being an employee of the justice department they can stop it. and as i understand it he's expected to be an employee through at least the end of this month. i suggested he re-sign and then there free to testify although there's certain matters he couldn't testify too that are redacted and privileged and i'm sure he would contour his testimony to what was permissible to be released to the public. >> the a.g. said he had no objection to mr. mueller testifying but of course if the president has an objection, the a.g. may take that up as his proxy. we have seen that before. that takes us to item number two. the treasury secretary, even though, you know, it says secretary in the statute but you would think the irs commissioner would be dealing with this request from ways and means.

nonetheless, they sent a letter to you guys today saying no, no taxes. sorry, doj doesn't agree. is that satisfying? >> it's stone walling. that's what the trump administration will do. the statute said he shall turn them over they can't reinterpret the statute. trump has a lot he's hiding in his tax returns. he doesn't want the public to see his returns. he lied about it for a long time. i believe he lied when he said he was under audit. but even if he was under audit there was no reason for him not to release his returns. he learned taxes like he learned business to some extent, from his father. and the new york times exposed well how fred trump saw the tax laws as a way to abade paying as

much money as he could to the united states government and when his sister re-signed from the court of appeals, federal district court in new jersey it's because she was under investigation. and not to pay what he should have to fund the united states government. >> i don't know what his father did. you're supposed to have the ability to get it. this is going to be a test of the strength of these subpoenas and the cause that underlies them. that takes us to wednesday. do you believe that the attorney general is going to have that coming his way? >> i suspect he will.

and i think they have come to an agreement to meet on tuesday and workout an accommodation. if they can't that will probably stall a contempt vote. >> what would that look like? >> well, it would be seeing the report and being able to digest it and not have limitations put. i don't know what he's asking. he has asked for the whole redacted report for the committee and the congress to see and the underlying evidence. i'm not sure what the considerations would be. >> it's good to hear the sides are talking. hopefully there will be progress and not just process. so obviously he was supposed to show up. he didn't. you made a whole show of it. it was all over saturday night live. we'll play it for people here that didn't get to see it.

>> just think about the poor intern that had to find a kfc at dawn and order a 12 piece bucket and say no, it's for my boss. he's a congressman. >> he's getting into left over kfc and more commonly known trash. this adult man probably layed in bed all night long probably thinking about how [ bleep ] it was going to be and he was completely wrong about that. >> oliver is way after line going after kfc as not being tasty but how do you feel about the rest of it? >> well, new york times properly described it as levity. and used it as a quotation of the day on may 2nd and it's an honor and i appreciate they did that. the comedians were off base. sarah silverman was probably right when she tweeted it was a hat on a hat. just ceramic figureen would have been sufficient. i shouldn't have eaten it. it didn't taste good and it

didn't picture well. >> which recipe was it? >> it was traditional. it was cold so the skin was pretty awful but the things you do for the photographers. but it was, you know, to bring out a point that he was chicken and we got a hashtag out of it. he didn't want to face them. and in hearings of all kinds. bobby kennedy did it back in the day. there's lots and lots of cases and the republicans brought in a lady to question in the kavanaugh hearing. so there's plenty of precedent. the problem is not that we don't have great members on our committee, which we do, but in

five minutes it's really tough to follow up. to have your questions and to have a person who is the witness who would filabuster which they have. >> there's a lot of politics, also. a lot of people there just making a point. they're grand standing sometimes. she had great substance to ask but just made a statement instead of asking stuff. you know what i'm saying. it's tough sometimes. that's all i'm saying congressman. >> but five minutes is tough to do it. i was a defense lawyer. you have 30 minutes you could crack a witness and they could crack this guy because there's so many holes in his statements and so many questions about his legal standing on his statements concerning the president's authority that it should have a 30 minute opportunity. i could take the 30. jamie could take the 30. there's lots of people, jerry

n nadler. there's a lot of people. but you can't give 20. maybe everybody could. we have great members but you can't give 20 people 30 minutes each or we would be there forever. >> any regrets about the chicken and the antics and all of that that was done? not just by you, by the way. >> number one i regret eating it and i could have just brought the ceramic chicken and that would have been better. that sarah silverman said. i probably should have just brought that but one staffer brought in his ceramic chicken and was pleased to have found it and the other staffer brought in some kfc so i brought them both and just kind of happened. but i'm happy that you have

given me this opportunity to explain. i have gotten a hair cut and i ate roast chicken today and everything is good in memphis. >> hair looks good. i'm a big fan of kfc. >> i was in houston this week and a friend asked about you and had a good weekend. >> good to hear, you know when i was talking to anderson i called you the chicken chomping congressman. it's always said with respect. you're always welcome on this show. i'm just saying everybody needs to be so aware of keeping the dignity of the institutions right now because there's plenty of people trying to tear them down. you're always welcome. >> thank you, chris. >> georgia is now the leader in taking us backwards when it comes to a woman's right to her own body. i'm going to show you where this is coming from politically and where this is headed legally. next. we're carvana, the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand new way for you to sell your car.

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did you see what just happened in georgia? roe versus wade is in the cross hairs. limiting the legal right on the state level and exaggerating what is right and true on the political level. take a listen. >> the baby is born. the mother meets with the doctor. they take care of the baby. they wrap the baby beautifully and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby. i don't think so. >> they should boo. he shouldn't think so because it doesn't happen. that's called homicide. no state allows a baby to be born full term and then you decide whether or not to execute it. god forbid anything like that would ever happen. but why? why sell that? she he's trying to enrage pro life folks that are part of his race.

dismissing the president's speak is easy. dismissing the state's is not. there's a new conservative majority on the supreme court and state lawmakers all across this country are passing bills to provoke litigation in hope of changing the roe standard. so as the law tries to change the law in ten states the left is trying to make it law at the state level for the same reason, anticipating change to protect what is now the federal law. georgia's governor is pushing the envelope with the so-called fetal heart beat bill which would make an abortion after six weeks illegal. keep in mind, georgia's law is already at 20 weeks which is more restrictive than the federal standard. fetal heart beat bills like this are under consideration in 8 states. remember a lot of women don't even know if they are pregnant for six or seven weeks. just think about that. by the time you figure out if you're pregnant you may no longer have the right to your own body. mississippi, ohio, heart beat laws there take effect in july.

state legislators in montana, north carolina and wisconsin, they have gone further. they're pushing infanticide bills. they would require medical professionals to provide care to a baby born during an attempted abortion. that's up to 20 to 24 weeks depending on where you are. this is an extremely rare scenario. it makes it sound like babies are being born alive after abortions all over the place and people are choosing to murder people. what you are seeing is republicans running with the fiction. it's fear mongering. it goes back to the campaign. >> you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the 9th month, on the final day. >> that's just not true. that's complete b.s. whether he's ignorant or not doesn't matter anymore. he's president of the united states. this fight is about the rights of women. that's what it is. take all the ugly political

dressing off it and the right, the political far right is to curtail access and opportunity when it comes to reproductive rights. the fact that it's never been in legislation is proof of this political uncertainty. yes the law of the land is currently roe but the right and the fight is far from open. what's going to happen with this effort to open the flood gates? what's with the politics here? it's worthy of great debate, next. welcome to our lounge. enjoy your stay. thanks very much. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ find calm in over 1,000 airport lounges worldwide.

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should this president be able to frustrate congress the way he is? ignoring subpoenas and other con impressional action? and what do these state laws mean for the roe standard? what would happen if this case came up in front of this court. heart beat bills. will they make it to the supreme court? that's tonight's great debate. i'm not going to get into the pelosi, i'm not going to play forward. let's deal with where we are right now. are you concerned at all that he

doesn't use his own lawyer to contest the request for his taxes? >> no. i think there's a legitimate point that steve mnuchin and the white house is making that the congress shouldn't be able to do fishing expeditions just to find out if they can find dirt on the person. that's not why that statute is there. it's to look at whether the enforcement mechanisms that are in place for the irs are being used correctly. not to play politics with individual tax returns. >> but where does it say you get to have discretion on whether or not to follow that law when it says shall and the head of the h house ways and means committee says i want to see whether or not they're doing the oversight and the auditing they have to do. >> that's why we have a court. the different branches of government have the ability to try to stime why the other and court makes the decision of which is correct. there's ample evidence that it's

not consistent with the statute and if we give them the opportunity to do witch hunts. me as a taxpayer would not like to see that happen. >> christine, this came out of fears about whether or not one of our officials was on the take and it was to allow certain members, not anybody. not everybody, but certain members of congress to get the taxes, to take a look and see if they could discover motivations of what was going on in an oversite capacity. how is that not in keeping? >> it is in keeping. the republicans and the far right now it is perfectly in keeping. it's unique that we don't have the president's taxes because basically everybody else that has ever run for president or was a party nominee put their taxes out there. so that's unique but clearly

what congress is doing is within the confines of the law. and both you and rick said irs. we are talking about the secretary of the treasury which even raises more political questions about what is going on. this is another attempt to keep the truth from the public and in the most basic of ways, if you don't have anything to hide, why would you go into court to seek the ability to hide things? >> so rick, if this is the way they keep up, any subpoena, they say no. you want anybody to testify, they say no. don mcgahn doesn't even work at the white house anymore. so is this just going to be litigation from now until whenever? >> yeah, i think given the nature -- there was a two year investigation, all of this money spent and there was a report that basically said that, you know, by and large the president did -- certainly the president

didn't do anything colluding with russia and the obstruction of justice claim was indeterminant and the decision was made by the proper prosecutor. and nancy pelosi has this right. the democrats are in great peril as they continue to go down this path. it's the president's political advantage to block everything. the longer they keep this alive, they don't care about what's going on with earth care. they don't care about the economy. they care about getting donald trump and the more they keep on that. >> they just won an election on health care during the midterms that's the main thing that brought people out for them. what's your take on them? >> it's the republicans that are blocking things like the green new deal and the republicans are blocking good voting legislation from moving forward. the democrats and the congress have shown they can move important issues forward and

continue to do their job and uphold the constitution and seek the truth. >> i don't want to leave these heart beat bills behind. what's the concern with what just passed in georgia? you may wind up seeing more. the state passing through it's legislature a more restrictive right to reproductive acts -- reproductive rights such as abortion. this is a six week bill. >> these are exactly what you say, six week pills. they're around roe versus wade and clear attempt to make abortion illegal across the country. that's what they are and we have seen in states where they have been passed already, courts strike them out or injoin them. this is a clear attempt to take decisions about a woman's body and birth out of the hands of a woman and out of the hands of doctors and that to me is really

shocking. >> look, i mean, you don't have to like abortion. we're all coming from the same set on this again tonight but if you don't like roe that's one thing but for a state to codify something that they know violates the federal standard, what do you make of that? >> sanctuary cities they passed laws that violate it. the legislatures and congress had the right to challenge the court and if the court competition changes on a variety of issues they have to go challenge that. you just say this is all about choice. all about a woman's right.

no it's all about the life of a little baby and you can invalidate that and say that that doesn't matter but to millions of americans it does matter and it's not that we hate women or want to violate women but we truly do care about the life of that child in the womb and we think a good society protects those children. >> hold on a second. but what rules in this society, how you feel or the rule of law? >> the rule of law should be determined in this area by the collective mortality of the people of this country. that's what legislatures are trying to do. >> really? so the supreme court passing -- >> nine people shouldn't make that decision for the rest of the country. >> really? so you don't believe in the supreme court? >> no, i just don't believe they should be injecting themselves into a matter that is something that the public can handle and handle very well and did. >> then who gives these state legislatures. >> people are dying now too

chris. >> not like that. >> rick, that is a lie. >> no, millions of children are dying christine. that's a reality. >> if you really -- >> christine go ahead. >> if you really care about the health of human beings, you would never take an issue like this away from a woman and her doctor. and a six week bill makes it illegal and this bill has been clearly struck down by the courts. abortion is the law of the land. >> and we're trying to change that. >> and you are doing an end run around the constitution. >> yes, we are. around the supreme court. they're not the same thing. >> the supreme court set the law on this. >> and they did it wrong. >> you talk about caring about human beings lives, then why would you take away a woman's ability with her doctor to make decisions when her life may be at risk. you take it away because you

actually do not care about women. you take it away -- >> you realize a baby dies in an abortion. do you realize that? are you ignoring that fact? that's a reality. this is a human life. >> it is not a legal fact. >> do you agree that at the moment of conception a child is human and alive. >> that's its viability. it's a viable human being. it's not recognized under our law as a person. >> answer the question. is it biologically a human life? >> no. >> you know what the answer is. >> i do. at con semception that is a hum life. >> no it is not. >> you talk about being a party of science. >> there's no question -- >> that is not science. that is not science. >> let me just -- >> it is true. >> no, it's not. >> calm down. >> it's not a belief. it's a fact. it's a fact. >> the only thing that can be created by two human beings is a human being, period. the law recognizes a person with rights at a certain standard.

you are conflating the two. either you respect the law or you don't. >> before that thing is a thing, before that thing is a person, what is it? >> what do you mean what is it? >> what is that thing in the womb you're killing. >> go google it. >> you either accept the law or you don't. >> i'm just asking chris, is it the property of the woman at that point? it's not a person. it's the property of a woman. >> her body is always her property, but that's a unique human being inside that woman. so is that woman -- is that the property of a woman? so you can do whatever you want with it? let me ask you this question -- >> can you stop for one question? >> no, you're not chris cuomo, you don't get to ask the question. >> if the woman that was carrying that child -- let's say she was blind and she decided she wanted to have a blind baby too so she can inject that baby with something that would blind the child, not kill it, just blind it. would that be okay? would you say that's okay? >> i'm going to go with her on the point.

i'll tell you what's not okay. i think perverting fact matters and realities and trying to demonize what people do. you guys make it sound like this is cheaper than condoms. this is easier than condoms so just go abort your babies. these are painful decisions for these women. >> they're taking a life, chris. >> and they think about it and they think about it in a way that you never will, rick. so you're projecting all of these emotions and sensibilities of ethics on people. >> last word to you. >> let's be clear here, rick, with all of your distortions and horrible tales, when a woman gets pregnant that is not a human being inside of her. it is part of her body and this is about a woman having full agency and control of her body and making decisions about her body and what is part of her body with medical professionals. those are the facts and that is

the law. >> so it's their property and they can do whatever they want to it. >> this is about a woman's body. >> they can namaim the baby or torture the baby. >> you're so desperate here. >> i'm not desperate. i'm just asking questions. >> you're not. you're asking provocative things that are trying to -- >> because they're real. >> they're not real. >> all i'm saying is you guys go too far when you pervert the facts and we have a president of the united states saying that a baby is born at the end of full term swadelldled in a blanket a then they decide not to kill it. >> virginia said it. >> nobody said it. >> one person said something stupid and you want to make it something that you can use to your advantage. >> it's not square with your religion. go ask a priest if he's okay with you arguing the case that way. >> i will. i'll be happy to it. >> they don't believe in lying,

priests. >> lying and distorting the facts. >> no priest is going to condone lying. >> what did i lie about. >> you tell me what state allows you to swadel a full term baby and then have a side conversation about whether or not to kill it -- >> look. >> say none. >> no one. >> say none. >> the state of new york allows a baby to be killed -- allows a baby to be killed. >> a full term baby to be born and swaddeled and executed. >> up until the moment that baby is born. that's the reality. that's what the law says. >> it does not. >> i was part of passing that law in new york with the national institute of reproductive health. it does not say that. but that's a lie the far right peddled since it was passed. >> it's not a lie. >> it is a lie. >> i'll do this again. give me a break on this stuff. >> i am. i'm telling the truth. >> you're telling the truth the

way you see it. >> you have to respect it. >> i respect everybody's opinion on it. but this idea that you're putting out the president telling a crowd and then booing about a full term baby and they decide whether or not to execute it, what are you doing in this country? these things are hard enough without making people think crazy things. all right. were you watching tv last night? did you say game of thrones? i don't buy what everybody is saying about the coffee tough le -- cup left on the table. i don't think it was a mistake. i'm going to bring in d.lemon to figure out what is brewing. mp &n with a citrusy drizzle. tender, smoky, and together on one plank... ...but not for long- so hurry in!

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. catch last night's "game of thrones." sitting with a starbucks coffee cup. now how did this happen? $15 million an episode, we're always reading these stats about how much of everything they use and how meticulous and all the money and the shooting of the scene, coffee cup? they want him to be the king, not me, it's a huge scene, they must have looked at it a hundred times. gaffe or something more, d. lemon? >> of course it's a gaffe. maybe they want us to talk about it. guess what? if we're all talking about that's good for them and things must be okay, i guess, in the world of this is the biggest thing that's on people's minds, you know, i don't know. >> it's big. look, i didn't love the episode, but i'm on it. i must say my suspicion that it was intentional is injured by

fact. there are other examples of this having been done. let's show a couple of them. >> the water bottle? >> yeah, what do you got? put one up there. "gladiator," see the gas mothers, you're going to see a motor. >> oh. >> yeah, all right, there's a little nitrous bottle there. in "braveheart," you'll see something in a second here, see the van the lower third? there's a van. >> yes. >> so, look, there are mistakes. >> there are. there's one where there's a water bottle -- what's that? >> i don't know, baby grabbing a thumb? >> oh, it's a fake baby, keeps moving its hand. we figured out there was some discrepancy whether it was actually a starbucks cup. starbucks picked up on it. we've tracked it down and figured it out. we have the exact cup. you want to see the cup? >> that's worth money. >> there's the cup. >> there it is. >> there's the cup right there.

so it was actually -- you had the -- where's your cuomo primetime cup? this is the new cup that everyone should order. this is the cup that was actually -- >> can you get that in any stores? >> in ""game of thrones"," yes. >> or can you only get it right now? >> it's a limited offer, it's called lemon of thrones. >> block at tlook at the pictur yourself again. >> this cup only comes in large. >> but it's empty. >> that's something you would say. >> what do you got? >> speaking of, you know rick riley who wrote the book. >> genius. >> called "commander in chief" about golf. we're talking about tiger woods and the medal of freedom. and just to get our minds off of everything bad or serious, talk about something fun, royal baby. remember the bishop that performed the wedding ceremony for them, he's going to join me and talk about the royal baby.

>> god bless the family. see you in a bit. >> see you soon. >> empty cup. i think i won that one. we talk too much about stuff that doesn't matter enough what the president says and tweets. i hear your criticism. but tell me this. i'm going to argue that there is something that too many of you aren't taking seriously enough. i'll make the case, then you decide, next. the latest innovation from xfinity

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a rate increase, the fed, it's jaundiced. you want people to testify? see my taxes? oppose it all. it's all dirty. this behavior is worthy of much more concern than it gets. why? institutions matter. and a democracy like yours, they are all we have as checks on absolute power, we need to trump them and rely on them to decide critical questions. not blindly. you should question them. you should test them. but we have to believe in them. they have to stand. could this president contest an election? sure. that would be his right. we have infrastructure to check the outcome, we have courts to decide any dispute. but what if you question all the steps and powers that proceed from such an election contest, what if people don't have faith that anybody's doing the checking, that any court can be fair? because that's what this president tells them, right?

then what? next point. he won't, this president, comply with congressional requests, even subpoenas. he's using the attorney general to carry water for him and attack his enemies and the treasury secretary to block requests about the probe and now his taxes. he's saying mueller shouldn't testify but he can't control that, not really. the crux of the argument is this. if you allow this president to keep getting away with violating the separation of powers and having people who work for you in this country simply do his personal bidding what would stop him from trying to avoid any operation of law? that's why we need the probe report out in full. we need congress to do their job. not because of a desired outcome but because that's what the constitution demands. that's what keeps the institutions strong. that letter, over 500 prosecutors saying this set of facts would be charged as a crime if not for the person

doing it being a president. why is it 500? we didn't get the number wrong. more people keep signing onto the letter. focus on what matters. this attorney general is telling you not to believe those 500 people. and the man who did the investigating, mueller, clearly didn't want that to be that simple. so you have to take a look at the need for oversight. you have to let the process play out. i know i've been tough on democrats about what the plan is. i see too much posturing, not because they don't have a job to do. if they're kept from doing their job by this president, what else might they choose to ignore? that's the argument. thanks for watching. d. lemon, "cnn tonight" starting now. >> is 500 right? the producers answered me, and you answered it. the numbers keep going up. all day i've been