with family. his daughter was born after being jailed. we welcome their release and remember other journalists who remain imprisoned for doing their job reporting the truth. erin burnett outfront starts right now. next, trump defies congress on everything from his former white house counsel don mcgahn to bob mueller testifying to his taxes, but have democrats found a way to fight fire with fire? the fbi's christopher wrey contradicting his boss in a big way. jill biden opening up about her husband's run and her chance meeting with joe biden's first wife. let's go outfront. good evening. i'm erin burnett. trump ordering don mcgahn to defy a headline. a deadline to hand over

documents to congress. mentioned more than 500 times he's mentioned in the mueller report. more than any other witness in the report. the white house doesn't want you to see what he has to say. just listen to sarah sanders today when asked if congress will get those documents. >> i don't anticipate that takes place, no. >> why? >> again, we consider this to be a case closed and we're moving forward to do the work of the american people. >> okay. the white house clearly desperate to block the congressional oversight here. white house press secretary sarah sanders saying the president may follow through on his threat to not allow bob mueller to testify either. >> democrats shouldn't get a do over. it's case closed. >> okay. case closed. that sounds a lot different from what her boss said four days ago. >> should mueller testify?

>> i don't know. that's up to our attorney general who i think has done a fantastic job. >> okay. even if the president is trying to hide behind his attorney general, sure, remember that bill barr has already said what he thinks about this. he said under oath that he has no problem with mueller testifying. sarah sanders is moving the bar. trying to stop the american people from hearing mueller testify and that's not all. team trump is trying to block the house ways and means committee from seeing president trump's tax returns and they may sk skds at stopping the irs from handing that information. there's a new threat from new york state. new york state expected to pass a bill that would allow the handing over of any new york tax return that the house ways and means committee requests. those state returns include much of the federal information. in a moment i'll speak to the new york state senator behind this bill. first, abby phillip is live

outside the white house and abby, any response from the white house on this new york state bill which obviously could pose a huge threat to the president. >> reporter: that's right. these threats to the president when i kn it comes to seeking information are coming from all fronts at this point. the white house has not specifically responded to this new york state bill but you can imagine that they might respond to this the same way that he responded to all of these other inquiries by putting a team of lawyers on this issue threatening litigation, trying to hold this hold thing up in the courts. the white house has been successful in delaying the federal tax returns because they have some control over the treasury department. the president has put someone that he knows into the general counsel position at the irs ahead of this whole battle over his federal tax returns. when it comes to state return,

he doesn't have that kind of mechanime mechanism. you can expect them to try to slow this process down as much as possible and delay really is the strategy as far as the white house is concerned. not just on the taxes but on all of these other oversight inquiries that we're seeing on capitol hill. they are not sure how the things will all shake out in the courts but white house officials believe if they can cause it to take a long time, they can slow down the potential political damage to the president and this is clearly something that the president thinks is critically important to him. his business tax returns, his personal net worth are things he's trying to protect for a long time. he will fight tooth and nail to prevent these things from being released. >> thank you very much. brad, a democratic new york state senator. the one who is heading up the bill where they could get state tax returns. do you think it's crucial to see trump's state tax returns? explain why. >> well, thanks for having me on the show.

i think it's important that as a fellow legislative body, i think my colleagues strongly believe that congress is oversight responsibility needs to be respect by the president. this is bigger than the president of the united states. this is about new york state having that unique role and responsibility to assist congress in one of its most solemn responsibilities. >> the attorney general, bill barr, and the treasury secretary are blocking, as you're well aware, the release of trump's federal tax returns. why do you think you can skucced at getting that information out when congress has failed? >> as your colleague just noted, the president, yes, controls the treasury department, but he doesn't control -- >> all right. obviously, we just have a transmission issue there. we're going to go back -- do we

have him back now? okay. senator, thanks. i'm glad we have you back. let me ask you the question. whether this will skds. the governor of new york says he supports what you're doing but if it looks politically targeted, the courts will shoot it down. can you make the case this is not politically targeted? >> it doesn't apply to one person. this applies across the board. the state norvew york has done s in terms of providing state returns to the federal government and other states. this just creates a parallel mechanism to provide those state tax returns to one of three congressional committees including the house ways and means committee and allow them to have access to those returns. >> is there any time frame on this of how many years you'll get, you're requesting? >> that's right. it's up to congress.

we'll pass the bill, tomorrow. hopefully it will pass in the other house. congress can get the information it needs to make the judgment call on trump's taxes. >> let me ask you about the chairman of the new york republican party sort of mirroring. saying your legislation is the result of trump derangement syndrome. he tells nbc news no matter how they dress it up, they are trying different wordings to do it, it's aimed at one individual. the president of the united states with the purpose of relitigating the 2016 campaign. that's what the white house says. how are they wrong? >> i think they are wrong because this is a president who has resisted 40 years of political tradition by not showing his tax returns to the american people. now is stone walling congress with his cabinet members. this is a constitutional showdown that we might be able to avoid in albany if we pass this bill that would allow the state department to share tax

information with the house ways and means committee. >> i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> i want to go to former assistant defense attorney for southern district of new york. how scared should trump be of this? obviously state return includes a lot of your federal information. >> i think there woultd be pleny of information in a new york state return for people to have a good idea of how much money the president was making. maybe some insight into the sources of the income. what types of deductions is he claiming. is he paying taxes at all. there are provisions in the real estate world that people can sort of take a depreciation on the buildings they own and avoid paying taxes at all. >> trump, as we know, is trying to block congress at every turn. now you have this coming to new york but saying mcgahn should defy a subpoena. mueller shouldn't testify even though bill barr testified under oath that mueller could testify.

is trump going to skucceed at blocking everything? >> i don't think ultimately he will succeed at blocking everything. there's central issues of separation of power and checks and balances. what he can achieve is delay. by going through the legal process by making congress go to court every single time they want a witness or want a document, by raising novel claims and taking them up to the supreme court. he may be able to delay some of the disclosure until after the election and it's too late. the american people will have had to make their decision based on an incomplete record. >> you would see in new york, the theoretical theoretically, his personal returns, everything would be on the table, you think? >> i think that's what the new

york legislature ure is aiming . there's a lot of things you can learn from new york state returns. a lot of it parallels from filling out their own taxes. you're add justed gross income is carried over from one document to the other. there's a lot of similarity. >> thank you very much. we have breaking news. the new york times has just ob stain taned ten years worth of president trump's tax information. the reporter who broke that story and the stunning details in there, next. the nation's fbi director publicly contradicting his boss, the president's attorney general. >> i think spying did occur. >> that's not the term i would use. >> couldn't get more blatant than that. jill biden opening up about her husband's run for office, and this. >> he comes from a very affectionate family. they are always touching. this is not a bed...

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lost more money they any other individual american taxpayer. this is incredible. i'm starting to read through all of this. first, what information did you get? >> reporter: >> a print out of an irs transcript. that's the data the irs compiles from individual tax returns. it has the boxes from the 1040 and all the tax schedules. >> okay. now let me just ask you about this crucial sentence. you're saying $1.17 billion nor the losses. year after year mr. trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual taxpayer. you go onto show that in just two years, he lost more than double the next biggest loser in this country. >> that's right. there's a database the irs

compiles of high income earners like mr. trump. most of them are business owners like him. they show revenue from businesses on their tax returns. every year, year after year in this cycle he is on the outer limits of people who are recording those kinds of losses. then rolls it over into the next year. he gets this massive loss for the decade of over a billion dollars. >> he's literally the biggest loser. there's quite an irony there. you also have something else in here that is really important for people trying to understand trump over the years. this is something that isn't normal. you talk about how mr. trump's primary sources of income changed year after year. one year, he earned $67.1 million in salary. in just one random year. another year he gets $52.9 million in interest income from who knows where when he doesn't

any other year. that stuff is bizarre and it's not normal, right? >> it is incredibly bizarre. that's the big shocking thing for us. we knew where he was going to line up with the billion dollar loss because we reported that before. we didn't know the building blocks of it. the degree to which his sort of primary sources of income just bounce all over the place year after year is really stunning. that interest income one is the one mystery we really haven't been able to solve. that was a point in time when casino regulators and auditors said he had somewhere between $2 million and $100 million in invested money and in one year he's making $50 million in interest income. those odditieoddities. the one year of salary are what prop him up in '88 and and '89 when all the debt he took on is really starting to put him under water. >> in terms of your take aways here when people talk about

trump, separate from the image he projected of himself when he said there's no one more successful from news week. the quote you have. i'm so successful. i'm so rich. aside from proving a lot of that to be untrue, you're also pointing out that he was in dire need. he had some serious problems. he was in the red. >> he was falling apart. again, every year in the cycle he's losing money, $50 million a year. $60 million a year. the year the art of the deal comes out when he presents himself as one of the country's great deal makers, that was his best year. he only recorded a loss that year of $4.5 million. every year, the next year after that, he recorded a loss from his primary businesses of $30 million. it just got worse to the point by 1990, 1991, he's losing more

than $250 million in each of those years. everything is falling apart. in the meantime, his father is doing quite well. >> in the best year he had, he lost $4.5 million. yet, are these real losses, in what you understand? people look at trump and go this guy is so opaque. he's taking in millions of dollars. he's reporting losses so he doesn't pay taxes. are both of those things true? he's taking in a ton even though he's losing. >> it's an excellent point. most of these losses are other people's money. it's money he borrowed from bond holders and from banks and then didn't pay back the business didn't support the debt he had taken on. he's not losing from his pocket. he is in essence kind of fobing that off on the banks. that's the reason he gives most of what he add built back to the banks at the end of that cycle. as we reported, most people would have incured some tax

exposure but he managed to a void that and paid no taxes for this ten year period. >> $1.5 million for taxes for the entire time. >> one year and nothing else. >> thank you very much. phenomenal reporting. thank you very much for this. i want to go to the former special assistant to george w. bush and our political commentator and former white house communication director. can i just take pause here for a second, scott? this is pretty stunning stuff. whatever you think the take away may be. you're talking about a being dollars in losses and one year random numbers from totally different things north of $50 million. this is not normal. >> well, i just got this a few seconds ago and listen to what the reporter had to say.

i read over the story. looked like some things didn't pan out. looked like a couple of things did. it was obviously from a long time ago. if i'm here to analyze the political implications of it, are voters going to look at tax returns that are decades old and put more weight on that than their own personal financial situation which is probably better based on today's economy. i doubt it. certainly this is a story the white house is going to have to talk about over the next few days because it's new information the public hasn't had. >> you have fair points here. let me just say, jen, the 1987 quote. there's a million like this since then. we all, including every viewer could basically paraphrase them. there's no one my age who has accomplished more. the numbers that don't add up even without this information. what do you make of this, jen? back to the point where this is a guy who says money is his

thing. this is the midas touch guy who lost more money than almost any other american. there's hundreds of millions of us. in two years alone his losses were more than double the next biggest loser in the country. >> as you well know and as scott knows, he ran as a successful businessman who is going to be bringing the art of the deal making to the white house. what this expose, which we have known a bit from the reporting is he's an enormous fraud. he's not somebody who made a significant amount of money and had all of these business successes. as the reporting noted, he had greater losses than any other american. that's a significant and a stunning fact. in addition, i don't think anyone not even his supporters will take kindly to the fact when they are reminded he didn't pay taxes for the vast majority.

>> he paid in one or two years. the rest of them not at all. scott, i guess the question is, i hear you on the political point. let's talk about the president when he hears this and looks at this. does this explain why he doesn't want anyone to have this information? that he was such a loser. the listen i say that word, i'm not trying to be funny. he uses that word all the time. he calls people losers and has such disdain and drips with horror when he uses that word and he was literally the biggest loser in the country. >> sure. the political implications of this are if you're spending any hours or days or weeks during a presidential campaign talking about your tax returns from the 1980s instead of say the booming stock market today, low unemployment, rising wages, et cetera, et cetera, then that's a day lost on your campaign. yeah, as a recall political matter, you would rather not have to talk about these things.

that's a very good reason why you wouldn't want them out there. >> do you think there are real questions about where did he get the money? where did he get the loans? this paints a good picture of an important period of time as to why subsequent to that time he couldn't get loans from bank. he went somewhere. you don't worry about where or why? >> i think that somebody with this much money who has this much money moving in and out of their accounts over this long a period of time, to my knowledge, he's never done anything illegal. he's never been dinged by the irs. he's file eall of this paper work. if it ends out in the public domain, i think that's fine. they will have to talk about how rael real estate investors get different tax treatment than average americans. that's something folks will need to hear which explains why the money moves. >> which was exacerbated in the

roast recent tax bill? >> i think it's a lot more significant and problematic than that. not only does this kind of fly in face of how he ran for officer, it shows him to be a frauds but it shows why he would be vulnerable to interests like russia and other country who is are trying to convince him that they can help him out with his financial problems. we don't know that happened. we haven't seen all the proof. this is an important piece that people will dig further into. >> i encourage every one to take a look at it. thanks to both. next, did the fbi spy or not spy on trump's campaign? two of the trump team to official at odds over a serious allegation and one of them runs the fbi. jill biden on life, loss and what some say may be her husband's biggest challenge. >> for people who say he's old news, he's too old, you say? >> i say no, he's not too old.

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breaking with his boss, the attorney general bill barr and his ultimate boss, the president of the united states. here is director wrey. >> that's not the term i would use. i believe the fbi engaged in investigative activity and part of investigative activity include surveillance activity of different shapes and sizes. >> it's not spying. that puts him completely at odds with the attorney general. not just the president but the attorney general who said this last month at a senate hearing. >> i think there's spying did occur. yes, i think spying did occur. >> when called out for that, he doubled down on it last week despite widespread criticism for using the term. >> i think spying is a good english word that doesn't have synonyms because it's the broadest word incorporating all forms of covert intelligence collection. i'm not going to back off the

word spying. >> evan, it is significant. you've got trump's own appointee, his own fbi director publicly and clearly saying i don't agree with the president and bill barr is wrong. >> yeah. i think it's a very important distinction for chris wrey to make because, look, for fbi this is a big deal. this is a word that carries a lot of connotations that is negative as far as what the fbi's work is concerned. it was very important for the fbi work force to hear the fbi director distance himself from the attorney general's language. i think a lot of people are very confused at the justice department and at the fbi as to what exactly is going on with the attorney general. why is he using certain words. why is it that six times during his press conference on the day the mueller report was released that he chose to use the exact language that the president uses

as far as no collusion when really that is not the term that is used in the report. i think there's a lot going on here. i think chris wrey took the opportunity that he knows his own work force needs to hear from someone to say this is not exactly what was happening. >> all right. evan, thank you. i want to go now to david who a advised four presidents. he is coming out to clearly say no. spying is not the right word. what is the significance of this public contradiction of the attorney general and the president? >> well, good evening. i think it's very significant but it's not surprising. those of us like myself who know the facts of this investigation would expect the fbi director to

set the record straight and it was good to hear he did exactly that. what is surprising to me and so many others is why the attorney general doesn't seem to know the same thing. he could have on his first day as attorney general received briefing about how this investigation started and every classified detail about it. he apparently still does not know the facts and his subordinate, the fbi director had to correct the record today. it's puzzling. >> just to be clear, the attorney general of the united states is an accomplished and incredibly intelligent person. he knows what people hear when they hear the word spying which is nobody knowi ining about and under cloak and dagger and on the sly and surveillance that implies legal and buttoned up. bill barr knows it. are you giving him the credit for pushing this not being political or not.

>> it's hard to understand what the attorney general is thinking because what he is saying makes no sense. remember he's not only a distinguished lawyer with a long career in washington and a doj veteran, former attorney general but he's a former cia lawyererier in his career. he clearly knows the difference between what the cia does in terms of spying and what the fbi does in terms of counter intelligence surveillance. he must know the difference and so for him to inartfully describe what the fbi does in a congressional hearing before a public audience just makes no sense. >> david, it does make no sense because he knows. he knows the difference and he knows the significance of what he's saying. he is saying it, it seems pretty clearly because of what this person is saying. >> there was absolutely spying into my campaign. i'll go a step further and my

opinion it was illegal spying. >> the attorney general said it better than anybody when he said yes i think they were spying on the trump campaign. you can't say it any better than that. >> i was happy the see on the the front page of the new york times where they were talking about spying and they were talking about spying on my campaign. >> a story bigger than watergate as far as i'm concerned. >> so, just to be clear, christopher wrey today came out and didn't just take on the attorney general, he took on the president. >> yes. that was a quiet behind the scenes meaning of that. >> how significant is that? this is the president's own hand picked appointed fbi director. >> i think it's very significant not only that he had the courage to do that and stand up for his institution which too few people in this administration have often done. try to protect your institution, your professionals. you're standing up for them. when t i think he's trying to spike the conspiracy theory that this -- this was an attempted

coup. once you accept the idea there had been spying, that trump was spied on then it adds a lot of credibility to the notion this is conspiracy theory. there was a whole effort. >> of people out the get him. >> i think it's disingenuous to say that bill barr thinks doesn't have any synonym. it does have negative con nat n connotation. there's a reason we call it the central intelligence agency. we don't call it the central spying agency. >> you're familiar with the details. i think it's important to emphasis one other point which you have made which is trump was not aware of this depth of the investigation. that would make sense. they were warned they were worried about russian infiltration. they were not given the specifics as to who and why because the fbi did not know who and why.

the warn somebody could have been warning the person inside. >> they do not make a practice to brief subjects on the detail of that investigation. that whole issue about the trump campaign not being adequately briefed about the russian threat is a red herring. it's apples and oranges. it received the typical defensive threat but it was not briefed on the details of ongoing counter intelligence investigati investigation. >> david, what happens to chris we wrey? >> i think the president has to stick with this guy. after the elections, i think he may be in the job market. >> thank you both. next she was cited more than 65 times in the mueller report. who is annie donaldson and why do democrats want to subpoena here? jill biden talking to dana bash about the loss of beau

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they want to talk to annie mcdonald as well. her notes are cited more than 65 times. >> no collusion. no obstruction. >> reporter: even as the president declares victory in the back wash of the mueller probe, his team is trying to block congressional efforts to see the papers of don mcgahn and the notes kept by mcgahn's then chief of staff, annie donaldson. >> the case is not closed. >> reporter: a staunchly conservative lawyer, her name appears 67 times in the redacted mueller report and her notes from meetings between mcgahn and trump are at the center of some of the most embarrassing and controversial moments including her speculation that trump's decision to fire fbi director james comey would destroy his presidency. is this the beginning of the end? her reference to just being in the middle of another russia fiasco. she recorded details about efforts to pressure jeff

sessions over his rescusal from the russia probe and trump's interest in canning robert mueller. when the report emerged and the impact of donaldson's words were clear, the president's reaction was swift. watch out for people that take notes. >> i've given total transparency. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: way back when president bill clinton's tryst exploded, his personal secretary betty curry became a target in the special prosecutor's probe. her recollections about meetings, gifts and more. his own tape recordings and memories from a times lower level players also added up. each may have been just a

snippet but they built the case that nixon had to go. donaldson works for law firm in alabama. she's not talking publicly and the white house wants to keep it that way saying this is the president's business. under the pressure of subpoena she could be driven by congress to say you have to come forward. some people still believe the president broke the law or bent the rules very badly. erin. >> thanks so much. next, jill biden on criticism that her husband is too old to be president. australia's prime minister gets egged and it's bringing back memories of this.

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tonight in the fight for 2020, an interview with jill biden. she shares details in her new book "where the light enters" and with our dana bash. >> you were married briefly as a young woman. your husband was a joe biden fan. >> yeah. >> you went with him to then senator elect biden's victory.

>> i did. i wient on the promise of a dinner. my then husband said i'll take you to dinner. i wasn't interested in politics. i always say i'm not political. we were there in the crowd, in the gold ballroom and she walked through the crowd and i walked up and shook her hand. i said congratulations. >> you sought her out. in your book she was so striking you were drawn to her. >> yes. that's why i walked up to her to say congratulations. >> you must take that with you and have taken that with you when you started to date him and get to know his sons. >> well, she gave me such a gift. i got her three boys. i always felt during our marriage that i needed to honor her. to honor her memory. >> you write about beau's death. you say you still don't have words to express your despair which issince beau's death i'm

definitely shattered. i feel like a piece of china that's been glued back together gep. the cracks may be imperceptible, but they're there. >> yeah, they're there. i mean, you have a son. you probably -- when you probably read that part in my book, i'm sure you just thought to yourself, i can't imagine it. and i don't think any parent can imagine it. they can't even put their head in that space. so you just -- it is not something you get over. i don't think any mother who has lost a child is ever the same. >> let's talk about running for president. >> okay. >> for people who say he's old news, he's too old, you say? >> i say no. he's not too old. and that is for the american people to judge. but they need to watch him and see how much energy he has and compassion and passion.

and experience. if we get elected, day one he's ready. >> the physical way that you're husband expresses himself has gotten a lot of attention and criticism from some women. i was struck that you in the book write about your own experience coming into the biden family. you said that you are not someone who was used to public shows of affection and that was initially uncomfortable development. >> yeah. he comes from a very affectionate family. they are always touching and i think joe is -- one thing i've admired about joe is the way he makes connections with people. but recently, i mean, things -- times have changed and joe has heard that -- to back off and give people their space. and he has now taken responsibility for that. and someone asked me, did this ever happen to you.

and i have to say it has happened to me. and i -- like 20 years ago and i did not have the courage to speak up then and say stop that, you're in my space. now i would have the courage. but 20 years ago i wouldn't. times have changed. >> you are the only second lady, i believe, correct me if i'm wrong, to hold a full time job. >> yeah. >> so did you want to continue teaching because you love teaching or to maintain your independence or both? >> both. when we were elected i said to joe, joe, i have to continue -- continue doing what i love. and he said, yeah, you do. so i was in the classroom seven days after the inauguration. and i've been there ever since. full time every day. i'm in the classroom. >> and would you keep teaching as first lady? >> i don't -- if i could, i would. i don't know whether it would be

advisable because of just security reasons. but i would love to. are you kidding? >> and dana joins me now. that was just phenomenal to get a sense of her and who she was and she doesn't speak often and you brought tears in eyes with the moments with a child. did she say why she thinks now is the right time? you did address this issue of age head on. >> yeah. no it is a good question. because she also talks in the book about at one point her husband and his advisers were talking about him running in 2004 and she was so opposed to it then, she was out at the pool at the house and she knew they were meeting and walked through the meeting in her bikini and wrote n-o on her stomach and in 2008 she was about it and now she said it is about the time and frankly donald trump and her kids and grandkids are 100%

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access netflix, prime video, youtube and more, all with the sound of your voice. click, call or visit a store today. here is jeanne. >> when a protester threw an egg at australia's prime minister -- prime minister exhibited a hard boiled head. the egg just grazed him. though did he have to help up a woman who got knocked to the ground and the egg-thrower got knocked verbally as she was led out. >> [ bleep ]. >> reporter: it is the second egging in as many months in australia. >> when people are getting attacked in their own -- >> reporter: right wing senator egged by a team fought back. the preferred reaction in the u.s. is playing it cool.

like george w. bush did, ducking a pair of shoes. >> so what if he threw a shoe at me. >> reporter: the same thing happened to hillary. >> cycling at about -- what was that? a bat? thank goodness she didn't play solve ball like i did. >> reporter: someone with bad aim. >> you have hillary who is a disaster. >> reporter: hurling a tomato at then candidate trump who waved and smiled. but it is hard to smile through a pie in the face. anita bryant campaigned against gays and then got pied by one. >> well at least it is a fruit pie. >> reporter: while right wing commentator ann coulter got pied by two when a heritage hit rupert murdock his then wife wendy whacked the attacker and when ralph nader was pied he served it right back.

the shoe was on the other foot. this minor league manager took care not to throw his shoe at the ump, instead he raised an armpit in protest. you stink. jeanne moos. cnn, new york. >> and thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. we begin with breaking news. while president trump and his treasury secretary refuse to hand over the president's tax records to house democrats, the new york times have obtained a decades worth of his tax information and they're findings are eye-popping. stunning. there is a lot of different adjectives to use. we'll talk to a reporter coming up. as the stiff-arming from the white house hit a new level blocking don mcgahn from turning over documents to the house jieshd committee and that comes a day after attorney general william barr refused to meet a deadline to hand over the full unredacted mueller report to congress and the