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offer additional accommodations in exchange for the committee postponing the scheduled contempt vote including d.o.j. which significantly eased restrictions on the review of the less redacted report to allow designated members and staff to more easily review the report and confer with each other. d.o.j. would bring the minimally redacted version of the confidential report to the house of representatives to facilitate the chairman's review. welcome to inside politics. we will drop out of live coverage here but continue to keep our eye on this in a packed hour ahead. this is a congressional clash over whether to hold the attorney general of the united states in contempt of congress. also happening this second, the president holding a meeting with his cabinet at the white house. the bigger news this morning, the president as the hearing is underway evoking executive privilege over the entire mueller report. this has been partisan sniping
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back and forth all day. we will go back when they have the vote. take us inside what has transpired so far. >> reporter: democrats are outraged by the white house's move to defy a congressional subpoena by invoking executive privilege and saying what the democrats have been requesting which is underlying evidence along with redacted portions of the mueller report should be turned over. the president saying it could breach executive privilege. democrats plan to fight this probably in court. after they vote in just a matter of moments to hold the attorney general in contempt, then the full house will vote to hold him in contempt. we don't know when that full house vote will be. it should be soon, perhaps in a matter of days. afterwards democrats plan to initiate court proceedings to try to get the information. make no mistake about it, a very
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significant escalation for the fight that we have been seeing building for weeks and weeks. white house stiff arming democrats' efforts to try to get information that they believe should be handed over. the white house and republicans pushing back saying this information should not be turned over to congress, that they say the congress does not have a right to. we have seeing real power struggle between the two branches of government and it will require the third branch of government to come in and step in to say who is right. this is happening not just over the moou bueller report but on whole range of matters whether getting don mcgahn to testify or getting ahold of the president's tax returns. the white house is pushing back and democrats are prepared to go to court. >> live on the hill. keep us posted as the hearing transpires. we will go back live once they begin to vote. let's go to the justice
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department. laura, the administration has been defiant from the beginning in these requests. to issue the word that it is evoking blanket executive privilege as this hearing is underway, more than a message. >> reporter: more than a message, indeed. you listen to this hearing it is almost like two different universes. for the democrats this is a crisis, this is a real danger zone. for the republicans, they really come to the defense of the attorney general bill barr walking through all the different accommodations that the justice department has made. last night the justice department has been trading letters, letter writing campaign with chairman nadler. last night they essentially outline once again the fact that they had offered the members of congress to see the less redacted version of the report. so from their perspective, they have sort of teed this up in the best possible light for the
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court by showing that we were offering to show the report. but the real question is now that the president has asserted this blanket executive privilege over the entire report and the underlying materials, what does that do for witness testimony? the justice department official saying this does not effect the ability of robert mueller to testify. that, of course, had been the big witness that democrats want in the coming weeks. we'll see when that gets scheduled. obviously, no date yet. >> no date yet. we will watch this play out. we know the president made clear he doesn't want mueller to testify. come back to us in the hour if there are more developments. with me in studio to share the reporting and insights, abby philip. katherine lucy with the the associated press. it is the chairman this morning declaring a constitutional crisis. there are legitimate questions about the power of congress versus the power of the
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executive branch. in addition to that, you also have pretty sharp partisan politics. i think the administration's hope is that is how everybody views this. >> i think this is pretty in the weeds, actually, for a lot of the american public watching all of this. i think that's what the white house is kind of banking on that they are hoping that the details of what this is really all about doesn't really penetrate and that they can put out a message that democrats are pushing for something where they already have a vast majority of it. they have probably about 95% of the report that was unredacted. and according to the white house, they have been repeating that members of the committee have been given opportunities to go and see the unredacted report at the justice department. and they are saying that none of those members have taken that opportunity. we heard jerry nadler push back on that saying that's not good enough for him and the fact that
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he can go there and take notes and leave notes there doesn't really work for him. all of this is just really in the minutia right now. it's not clear to me what people will take away from this. both sides are trying to put out the narrative that they have given enough and on the democratic side that this is about separation of powers and this is just obstruction. i think the american public will have to decide. >> less than a small percentage of the american public has read the report and has been paying attention to what democrats and republicans are saying which is partially why democrats want to hold hearings. they want mueller to come forward. they possibly could be open to having rod rosenstein come to testify because they want the evident presented to the public in hearings knowing this will be televised so they can show them what they think is justifiable means to pursue a possible obstruction against the president.
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>> and the democrats say they have lost patience because in their view, and there is reason to document it out, that the attorney general bill barr shaded his findings in a way favorable to the president. what bill barr has said publically does not match up with what is in the mueller report. listen to the chairman saying we are out of patience and gas. we don't trust anybody who works for the president to share with us testimony about the mueller report. we need the whole report. >> if congress is not entitled to the full unredacted mueller report, one must wonder what document we would be entitled to. this is unprecedented. if allowed to go unchecked, this obstruction means the end of congressional oversight. as a co-equal branch of government we should not and cannot allow this to continue or we will not be a co-equal branch of government. >> that's the broader argument of democrats.
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they argue whether it is request for president's taxes or financial documents or full unredacted mueller report that they are in what they call a crisis because the administration has a blanket no. so their first big recourse here is to pull the attorney general of the united states in contempt. >> it is important to look at what the democrats are trying to do. i think that there is a lot of sort of political gamesmanship going on of both democrats and republicans trying to set the narrative here. that is a big part of it here. they are trying to substantially move the ball here. they have decided for now to keep impeachment on the side table, not to sort of go straight there. if they are going to lay out what happened here, if they will try to have their own fleshing out of what the mueller report says, they will need access to the underlying material. they are actually taking an
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affirmative step that they hope to getting access to documents. it's an important principle for them if they will go the route of impeachment or keeping it on the table to keep on outlining for the american people and to keep taking that argument to the administration that obstruction itself, the refusal to hand over documents and things that a co-equal branch of government should have access to is potentially grounds for impeachment. >> the white house push back is that they feel like this is a phishing expedition and there is a lot of anxiety there that where does lead. also is the argument that we have been doing this for two years. he keeps saying this is going on for long enough and people are ready to move on. >> democrats are saying too bad. we won the house. we have constitutional powers to do this. the white house take is what the democrats asked the attorney general to do by giving him the
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full unredacted report. the white house press secretary saying the democrats are asking the top law enforcement material to break the law. >> chairman nadler is asking the attorney general of the united states to break the law and commit a crime by releasing information that he knows he has no legal authority to have. it is trully outrageous and absurd and he should be embarrassed that he is behaving this way. >> she is right, but she is lacking context. the committee says they asked the justice department repeatedly let's go to court together and the justice department says we won't have a part in that. >> that's the part that everybody omits when it comes to grand jury material. there is a mechanism by which the grand jury material can be legally released and the committee wants the justice department to take it to a judge
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to make that decision. the idea that it is never possible for grand jury information to be released to congress is not true. it doesn't seem to be the strongest element. it's not clear why they keep bringing that up. sarah issued a statement. she wrote it's the no collusion, no obstruction report. a lot of people are asking why is the white house fighting so hard to stop the report from being released to congress if they believe it exonerates the president so clearly on all of these grounds? >> one other point made by the republicans on the committee, he says what are you waiting for? why are you in such a rush to hold him in contempt? we will have bob mueller in the chair pretty soon. >> mr. mueller will be here next week. you will get to ask the guy who wrote the whole darn document. why don't you hold off until the guy who wrote the thing, spent 22 months and $35 million with a bunch of democrat lawyers
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putting it together, why don't you wait and ask him next week? >> well, essentially because it would be useful to read the material before we have him in front of us. >> we don't know for sure yet. it has not been scheduled. as of today he is still a justice department employee. the tone is we don't want him to. >> may 15 was not set in stone. nadler told politico that he thinks the evoking executive privilege could complicate mueller coming to them. there is no yes mueller is coming to testify so jordan is a bit inaccurate. >> this is not your typical like congressional administration give and take where there is a lot of courtesy and
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collegiality. all of that is off the table and has been in this context for weeks. they are not going to trust that the administration is going to do anything asked of them by congress. i think they are probably wise not to. it makes sense if they are going to do this to go forward with it. if it does hold, it would be a lot more useful to have the information that resulted in the mueller report before they talk to him so they can ask him questions that would be more pertinent and would produce more information. >> we'll continue to watch this hearing. the judiciary committee preparing to vote to hold the attorney general in contempt. we'll watch this. up next, a new report takes a deep dive on the president's financial history and pokes holes in his long-time narrative of unprecedented business success.
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has lost more than $1 billion over that decade. it's a loss so staggering the paper estimates it was among the worst in the country. here is a key quote for the report. year after year, mr. trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual american taxpayer. his core business losses in 1990 and 1991 more than $250 million each year, were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the irs information for those years. the president's attorney says the data is old. president trump tweeting in his own defense, the president says in those years this was normal for real estate developers. you always wanted to show losses for tax purposes. almost all real estate developers did it. it was sport. he calls the times report a hit job. this comes as democrats want his more recent tax reports. what it shows you, if you can
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put the chart up and show the red, if you go back to the time he was bragging that he was rolling in the dough and doing great and everybody else was suffering in this horrible real estate market but he had it all figured out. no. >> the democrats, the reason obviously that democrats want to see the president's tax returns apart from the fact that as a lung standing president that presidents have released their tax returns is they think there is potentially criminal activity and fraud. let's not forget that one of the major reasons that president trump has not wanted to make his tax return public, putting all of those aside is his pride. he does not want the holes poked in the narrative. he was very willing to say as
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president of the united states that he was intentionally gaming the tax system to have to pay less taxes to the government. the fact that this is public and suffering this degree of loss in his business career is not a great thing for a president who likes to appear at the top of his game. >> this myth that he has created about his businesses, will it bother him that the reports, the outlets that his base might pay attention to all picked up on the story here. this is donald trump talking to larry king in 1991, a year in which we will show you on the other side, big losses. it's not how he sounds here. >> i had a bad year and a half. i had one hell of a year and a half. divorce and this and this. and you learn whether or not you're a tough guy. some people go in the corner and start sucking their thumb and
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say forget it. you learn about toughness. i really weathered it great. i feel that i'm in great shape. i have really good relationships with the banks. >> i have really weathered it great. if you can put the chart back up, that is in 1991. that's in the middle. that's where it is getting worse and worse and worse. if that's weathering it great, that's not math i learned. >> it's a stunning report. as he is coming out with the art of the deal, he is in the red. he is losing a ton of money. he is building up this myth that he is a master businessman and something he ran on the trail with, that he has tried to keep up this persona as he has been in office. it's important to note that it doesn't change the battle in congress. neil is still figuring out his next steps on how to get ahold of the tax returns. they expect it will guy to court now that mu mnuchin denied
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turning those over. >> he is leaving for an event tonight. he may be speaking later this afternoon. he is sensitive to these kinds of reports. it was excellent reporting about the financial support he had gotten throughout his career from his family. part of his narrative also is that he is self-made businessman. he did not like the suggestion that he was bolstered by family resources. >> the facts at the documents tend to chip away. they closed the cabinet meeting. the reporters were supposed to go into the meeting. he does have a rally tonight. that is when he tends to air his grievances. an update on a school shooting in colorado that killed an 18-year-old student and a student whose actions may have saved lives. i'm working to keep the fire going
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within 20 years and 20 miles, we would have dealt with columbine, aurora theater, arapahoe high school, the shooting of zach parish and four other deputies, we would have thought you mad. and yet here we are again. >> ryan young is in highlands ranch. >> reporter: we know we have our first court appearance later on this afternoon. so many people in this community are focussed on one hero, an 18 year old who decided to stand up to the shooter. he got in the way of the gunman and maybe saved some of the students' lives. listen to a student i talked to as she was in this classroom. she said when the gun came out she thought it was a toy. >> they all risked their own lives to make sure that 10, 15 of us got out of that classroom safe and were able to go heme to
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our families. they risked their own lives so that we could all have our own. >> if it wasn't from him, i wouldn't have my baby today. i can't imagine. i will never be able to thank him. i have no words other than what a hero. >> reporter: so very tough. the student was telling me in this class basically when kendrick jumped up and got hit by the bullet, the other boys jumped on top of the shooter and tackled him to the ground stopping him from shooting anyone else. one of the reasons why she wanted to do the interview is to make sure we said kendrick's name over and over because of what he did to help everyone get out of that. there are three more students in the hospital. five have been released. kendrick lost his life. so many people are trying to process this. was there anything wrong with the young man? at this point, she said he was a
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normal kid who came to class late that day. >> terribly sad story, difficult reporting. we appreciate you bringing it live. thank you very much. as highland park mourns the victims, the shooting thrusting gun control higher. nearly every democrat running for president weighed in on twitter calling for action to prevent future tragedies. of 21 democratic candidates running seven laid out the gun policy on the campaign websites. that's a departure from previous elections. this time they believe public opinion has shifted in their favor. listen to a handful here. >> we need to treat gun violence like the public health emergency that it is. >> i'm going to come at this like folks have never seen before. i will choose policy and tactics to end this nightmare. >> if congress fails to act with smart gun safety laws i will
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execute executive action. >> let's have background checks on every firearm purchase. let's ban and buy back the assault weapons. >> it is a different campaign than campaigns past. just for the reality of the moment, if you are someone who wants new gun laws, there is nothing happening in the short term. is it possible that if a democratic candidate could win the presidency, would that change the dynamic? >> what's different about this is that it used to be relatively rare for there to be these kinds of school shootings. it seems like every couple of weeks one is happening. so it creates a natural momentum for the candidates to say this is something that is easy to keep on the agenda. it is not a low tier issue not just for democratic voters, but if you just look at the actual polls, most americans do support
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changing gun laws in some way. and so they are looking at just the straight up numbers and saying this is a majority issue and not to mention this is no longer rare. so i do think that democrats keeping it on the agenda is a reflection of the fact that times have in fact changed around this issue and that even while it is still a motivator for republicans and for conservatives and nra members, the sort of broader american electorate might very well want a candidate who is willing to do something. the question is what exactly that thing is. everyone i think agrees something. >> let's look at the numbers as we continue the conversation. democrats overwhelmingly support stricter gun laws. only 33% of republicans do. you might say that is a significant number. if you are a democrat running for president, you are on very safe ground in the primaries where you have democrats or you expect some independents to vote you are on safe ground there.
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>> one turning point i think we have seen is the parkland shootings and the fact that the victims and the students who survived really came out as political advocates themselves and that we have seen sort of a movement build around that come is something you haven't seen quite the same way before. i think to the momentum thing, that's part of it. so it is really stepping up and really being out there on this issue in a different way. >> a number of these candidates are trying to stake out a claim on this issue. so eric from california said he wanted to be the gun control candidate. one of his first events was in parkland. cory booker came out with a 14-point plan on gun control and wants to institute a national licensing program which has never been done before. it is considered one of the most aggressive proposal from any of the 2020 candidates. he is leaning heavily on that.
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>> if you look at the booker plan. a license is beyond -- that has the attention of gun rights groups right away. he said require hand gun microstamping. you have a number of proposals. raising the age limit expanded background checks tend to poll very well. you start taking steps like licensing you will probably see different numbers. >> this is solid ground sort of the general issue. come of these things are actually more broadly appearing to the general electorate. abby is right if you look at the numbers the public at large does support some of these steps. i think that one other big change we have seen is the paradigm shift that it is becoming for republicans and
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independents more not to be for some of the things than to be in support of some of the gun control measures. what we saw in the past was that a lot of people did not want to touch any of these things because of the power of the nra. the power of the nra is still formidable. i think we have seen it decline somewhat in recent years. we have seen an upsurge in the power and frankly political spending power of the gun control forces. i think that is a real motivating factor and something that will essentially require candidates to get on the right side of the issue if they can figure out the right formula of measures that people would support. >> i think it is another important wrinkle into 2020 where you have the presidential race and gubernatorialal races, as well. remember, we are still watching the house judiciary committee holding a vote to hold the attorney general in contempt
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some new policy ideas from 2020 presidential candidates. senator kamala harris wants public defenders to get a pay raise rolling out a bill that would mandate equal pay for public defenders and prosecutors and put a cap on their work load. her plan would be funded by a $250 million federal grant. senator elizabeth warren is pitching a plan to deal with the opioid crisis.
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the new version would provide treatment, provide support and research funds over a ten-year period among other things. it would be paid for by a tax senator warren wants to impose on the 75,000 wealthiest americans. senator bernie sanders says if he becomes president he will issue a moratorium on cuts to retirement benefits overseen by the federal government. the law allows the treasury department to approve large cuts to financially distressed pension plans. and this morning in foreign policy news, the united states responding to iran's announcement it will partially withdraw from a landmark nuclear deal. in response national security council says iran can expect more sanctions soon and mike pompeo says the united states is watching closely. >> we are on the same side. we are on the side of value-driven democracy. we are on the side of creating a
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. trump administration is moving forward with changes to the asylum interview process even as it works on the broader package. customs and border protection is advancing a program that allows border patrol agents to conduct the interviewing process. the change was pushed by immigration hard liner steven miller. the broader package is being drafted by jared kushner. kushner briefed a dozen on the plan yesterday. earlier today one of the republicans addressed the two
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main points of the west wing discussion. >> that's going to be reforming asylum laws to make sure we don't have people showing up and getting paper and saying magic words that lets them into had country. we have way too many people coming in who are unskilled workers or low skilled workers. what we need are more people who are doctors or computer scientists, engineers. that's the direction the president wants to go. they laid out broad principles yesterday. i think we have pretty widespread agreement on those principles. >> cnn immigration reporter joins the conversation on the immediate change. steven miller has pushed this. i assume the view is that the border patrol agents will have a tougher view. >> the idea is that it will speed up the asylum claim. this is something the administration has been talking about, an uptick in asylum claims at the border.
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so what they are trying to do here is they are trying to speed up this process by putting agents on the front lines to do that credible fear interview. this is unprecedented. our reporting shows that steven miller pushed this for months. in march then homeland security secretary okayed the pilot as long as it worked within the legal bounds. so this is something that we are seeing now tucked in last week into the white house supplemental request. it's funds for this program. of course, it has to go through congress. at least we see now the department of homeland security is making moves to try to make this even tougher for asylum seekers. >> they take this step which they can try to do and then you have the broader package being drafted by jared kushner who is viewed as a little more lenient. but the issue is you can't get it through the house because the president will not give the
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democrats what they would want the house to consider. this is interesting. john cornen of texas up for reelection next year. having seen our experience going big and ending up nowhere, i think we are better off trying to address this in a targeted sort of way. you have a prominent republican senator saying dial it back. >> all the senators that went to meet with trump, none of them were on that gang of eight bill that was the comprehensive attempt to have immigration reform. we have seen this story time and time again just early last year, early 2018, john kelly going to the hill and democrats and him at odds with each other and not able to come to an agreement on anything. i'm skeptical that whatever kushner comes up with actually be met with open arms by democrats. >> if it cannot be passed, is the president going to go for a plan that is being criticized by those who some say is on the
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right. this is the base people listen to. the increased immigration of foreign workers how that is consistent with the approach is not clear. >> i have been talking to a lot of immigration groups that were involved in the original talks. they are saying the same thing. they don't like where it is going. they are nervous about what will be the end product here. this is even before we see the proposal. that hasn't happened yet. >> let's not forget the overarching goal of a lot of people who have been supporters of president trump's entire immigration agenda is to lower immigration levels. this plan does not do that. there has been this push/pull between steven miller who is very much on board and jared kushner who is not about what the package will look like. the fact is they are trying to mash together two fundamentally different approaches in this package. you hear people who have a lot
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of experience saying why don't we maybe take this piece meal? to imagine that something that looks like that could go through the congress and the way it is constituted is far fetched. >> that's nice. up next, john kelly is gone from white house chief of staff. he has a long memory. morning. what are you doing? isn't it obvious? nah. we're delivering live market coverage and offering expert analysis completely free. we're helping you make sense of the markets without cable or a subscription from anywhere you are. i get that. but what are you doing here? nice pajamas. really? i say pajamas. pajamas, pajamas, whichever. good. yahoo finance live. stream free anywhere. welcome to the show. let's make finance make sense. welcome to the show. behr presents: a job well done. painting be done... and stay done.
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his memories of clashing with the president's daughter and son-in-law live on. listen to this exchange with bloomberg. >> was it complicated to have the president's family in the government at the time? >> they're an influence that has to be dealt with. >> and today -- >> i don't mean by means mrs. trump. the first lady is a wonderful person. >> well, just read into that, ladies. >> this is the one thing that white house aides think is the biggest change in the post kelly era is that there is no longer this war between the chief of staff and the president's children. and what that has meant for ivanka and jared is they have free rein which a lot of people believe they did anyway. they claimed when john kelly was
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hired that they would fall under his authority as a staffer in the white house. they never wanted to be there and he fought against them. he was -- >> it's very, very hard to unsee -- >> it is impossible. >> he is saying reckoned with. maybe i will say dealt with. >> i think we have accepted that kushner as well as ivanka are a huge part of this administration. it's not normal that they have such an outsized role in the president's off. >> not mrs. trump. >> apparently, she did not rub general kelly the wrong way. clearly the fact that not only were they high ranking staffers in the west wing but the fact that they obviously had a lot of influence on president trump and when he thought about things particularly ivanka trump who could get in his ear whenever she wanted was something that he had to deal with and something that made his job harder.
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>> john kelly spent a lot of time trying to restrict and edit who got to the president and the current acting chief of staff is not making those efforts. >> good luck. thanks for joining us. see you back here this time. don't go anywhere. underway right now, the u.s. is in a constitutional crisis according to the man whose committee could hold the attorney general in contempt as the president defies congress. plus he conned america. new evidence shows donald trump the businessman wasn't very good at it. the question is, was it illegal and who propped him up financially? and is america now numb to school violence? another school shooting this academic year rocking colorado as children grow fearful of going to
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