it's less than 10% of the entire report. we get the straight sense that no criminal conspiracy. no proof of compromise. why would comey say this knowing the heft that it has when he says it? >> yeah. so comey explained this. that the counter intelligence part of the investigation remained with the fbi. mueller's report actually notes this early on in this report. so he was not overseeing the counter intelligence part. he was overseeing the criminal probe and his report reflects what he found in terms of evidence that may or may not be sufficient to sustain criminal charges. what comey was basically saying is that there is other evidence that could be collected on the counter intelligence side that may not be relevant to particular criminal charges but could wait to whether and how people might have been targeted, assessed, developed or even compromised to act on russian interests. it was also noteworthy that he

clarified and this was so important that the portion of the dossier that he said was unverified related specifically to the part about trump's private behavior with potential women in russia. not necessarily to the entire dossier which he said was act e actively being corroborated and consistent with many other pieces of intelligence they were getting at the time in late december 2016. >> i give you the benefit of the analysis, but my point is they don't have any proof and if there were proof, the idea of the way she puts it is clever but the idea of well there is other evidence that could be collected, yeah but you didn't. you don't have it and this is the second time at least that i've heard comey say about the president of the united states that he could be compromised. that it's possible. but he doesn't have any proof. at what point do you have to put

up or shut up on this? >> he was making a different point than he made last year. it was in specific regard to the tapes. comey's point tonight was a broader one which is its possible that russia does have leverage over the president. and we get very caught up in this question of the tapes without considering the much more obvious opportunities for leverage that the president could have in regards to russia in terms of the business dealings that we know for instance that the president was engaged in trying to build trump tower moscow during the course of this campaign. >> right we don't have a good understanding of where his money is coming from in part because he made it so hard within the last couple of days in terms of turning over documents. >> why did they lend him so much money? >> my point is this. i'm not knocking your analysis.

it's spot on. at a certain point when you overreach in the expectation of what could be and it's not delivered on, it actually emboldens the other side in the counter argument that you have nothing. you raised dangerous speculation and you pretend that the president might be connected to russia. you pose these enticing questions but the answer has never come off the way you say. that's what i'm asking. at what point does it have to be delivered on or let go? >> i think it has to be delivered on and i think this is why the house intelligence committee requested a briefing on the counter intelligence portion of the investigation. this is what we have representatives for. it's classified and contains methods and sources and it cannot be released to the public. but that's why we have representatives to be able to look at the investigation and we

can get these answers and say, there was a counter intelligence investigation on the president of the united states that suggests there was at least a concern that he might be compromised. whatever happened with that? was that ever resolved? is it an on going national security threat? what are we doing about it. >> one other thing that comey said tonight that is worthy of a second look. listen to this. >> what do you think of the way attorney general barr behaved? >> i think he acted in a way that's less than honorable in the way he described it during writing and during a press conference and continues to talk as if he's the president's lawyer. that's not the attorney general's job. >> less than honorable. >> impact? >> big. and he goes on to say he feels that bar dr did not live up to e

justice department standard and he was giving answers not respective of what the attorney general was saying. that comment hits home as does the one where he went after rod rosenstein's character and said he is a man of not strong character. >> also it could mean that he's upset. but when you're a former fbi director as deep in this situation as he was, these words are going to resinate. thank you both. important to have you tonight. thank you. jim comey. he just said he thinks the doj should take a hard look at whether to charge the president when he's out of office. we have a top democrat. what does he think about comey's arguments? what does he think the path is forward? for the president and for his son? next. nothing says summer like a beach trip,

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town hall dropping bombs like this. >> do you think he should be charged when he's out of office? >> i think -- >> based on what mueller has shown? >> the justice department will have to take a serious look at that. whether it's a wise thing to do to a former president, that's a harder question and much bigger question than the facts of the case. >> this as the president and his name sake are under fire for multiple subpoenas related to the mueller report which the president called today the bible on what happened regarding russian interference. that maybe the first thing you agree with the president on? that the mueller report should be regarded as the bible. what range true to you? >> first i want to see the whole bible. we have seen a redacted copy of it. number one, vladimir putin

succeeded beyond his wildest expectations in interfering with our democracy in 2016 and number two that the president of the united states would be prosecuted for obstruction of justice and lthey say a sitting president can't be indicted. >> why would comey be more believable to you than attorney general barr and deputy a ag rosenstein. you couldn't make a case here beyond a reasonable doubt. >> phil barr and deputy attorney rosenstein are acting as his defense counsel and really distorting and warping the bible, the mueller report, in the interest of the president.

if you look at the mueller report itself, there are ten episodes. four of them establish conclusively the elements of obstructi obstruction an act that interferes with the on going proceeding and corrupt intent. >> when it's a president it's a complicated analysis. let's take out of it whether or not you can indict a sitting one and the legal guides. the idea that i have control over the proceeding as president complicates the analysis and that unless you can show corrupt intent that i was doing something that i'm allowed to do anyway but i was doing it with malice. it's hard to make that case, isn't it? >> obstruction of justice and any criminal case is hard to prove when there has to be evidence of intent. sometimes it's documents.

sometimes it's intervagss bconvt you need the mental component that constitutes corrupt intent. but in this instance there's a plethera of evidence about what he was doing and why he was doing it. that's why i agree with ji jim comey and the more than 700 other prosecutors that believe the president should be charged. is it a wise thing to do? that's the other question that jim comey confronted. in the wake of the watergate scandal then president ford concluded that charging former president nixon was not a wise thing to do. he gave him a pardon and gerald ford had to live with the consequences of it because the american people really want justice and they want transparency. >> mueller didn't say would jim comey or you said. he said something else. obviously we all want to hear from mr. mueller and want him to

explain it. he could have said what you just said. he didn't. he said can't say he did it and can't say that i can exonerate him which is a weird word. you guys aren't in the miss of finding me innocent. you're in the business of deciding whether or not you can charge me and find me beyond a reasonable doubt. why do you think he said it the way he did? >> that's what i want to know from mueller himself rather than speculate on what went through his mind and i want to hear it from his team. i want to hear it from do don mcgahn and a variety of others that would have knowledge and were interviewed or taken before the grand jury by bob mueller and the full evidence but here's what i know for sure. he also said in that report if he could have exonerated the president he would have and that's very telling.

and we may see the department of justice taking another look at donald trump after he leaves office. >> not this ag. >> there will be another ag. >> these are heavy things you want to talk to mueller about. i don't see that as overreach. not yet. but on him assuming it's the discrepancies between what he said and what's in the mueller report about who he may have told about the trump tower meeting and what he knew about the moscow deal, he said that's the best of his recollection. he said to the best of my recollection i only told jared and manafort. even if rick gates is right and he told other people he said that was his best recollection at the time. why drag him back in and make all of this drama about it if he's just going to say, yeah, that's what i remembered at the time, senator? i told them too, so what.

>> his recollection has to be tested. that's what prosecutors do and investigators do. when he says he has no recollection and there's more than 140 instances of contacts between the trump campaign and the russians during the campaign or shortly afterward, he has to be asked for the sake of our country because vladimir putin succeeded his wildest expectations in interfering with our elections. what was the polling data that was provided to him by paul manafort. why was it provided? why did you message wikileaks? >> he has knowledge about his own messaging. he may know why roger stone was directed to be in contact. he certainly knows about the

meeting at trump towers that he attended. he should know about the negotiation on trump tower moscow which might have compromised the president because he denied those negotiatio negotiations. so he is a central witness in preventing the russians from continuing their attack and if the american people take away nothing else from tonight they should be stirred and chilled by jim subpoena duces tecum jim comey's words the russians are going to do it again. >> that leads to the conclusion that you guys are spending a lot of time getting to the conclusion. what about finding ways to make it less likely that it happens against. >> the very significant thing is

it the a glimmer of bipartisan hope directed in this counter intelligence investigation -- i'm not on that committee, but they are looking into what we can do to prevent another attack. it's more susceptible to interference than jim comey may have indicated tonight but if the president of the united states denies that it happened. if he chooses to believe vladimir putin over our intelligence community saying that the russians did it and if he is adverse to anybody even talking in his presence about it because he regard yos it as a challenge to the legitimacy of his win, that is what has been reported then we are going to find resisting that attack very very difficult. i hope they'll be bipartisan agreement that we need to harden this election. >> well the first effort was

rebuffed by the white house and that was just to provide paper back up to the elections. maybe it will get better going forward when the american people hear more in hearings about how bad it is. >> significantly i have introduced the bill a couple of bills directed at this effort and i hope we'll have some bipartisan agreement. >> thank you very much. one of many conversations to come, i'm sure. >> thank you. >> thank you, sir. >> all right. so listen there's a lot going on in washington. but i want to turn to something that i can't believe is still not being addressed. do you want to know why we don't do anything about school shootings? we have all the feels and the pain is real for us even if we don't directly experience it. but you're not going to like the answer. i have someone that knows the truth. he fought for change and he lost in his state as governor and he knows why he lost and you need

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>> run, hide, fight. that's what we're teaching our kids now. we're leaving it up to them to deal with the school shootings. that's where we are. the new norm. we've had a dozen of so. only 19 weeks in. people spend more time parsing what should qualify as a shooting than dealing with stopping the shooting. just think about that. it's the latest one in colorado just a few miles from korks --

columbine. why is the question. do you remember the situation? that was supposed to be the tipping point to take his expression? that was so terrible, so many kids killed in a situation. what was your takeaway? >> well, i mean, it shows so attractable the opposition is. how powerful because the push president obama made at that time was for universal background checks. 90% of americans say they approve of it and yet it could not move through congress. and that is how powerful the gun

lobby is there. the issue is there. and we have had 7 of the 10 worst mass shootings in the last decade. you know, we have 46% of the world's guns. we have 4% of the population and, you know, statistic after statistic points to tightening things up. at least in terms of knowing who is getting guns and keeping them out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them and yet the political will hasn't been there. governor kasich knows a lot about that because he has experienced it in his own state. >> right. >> and what worries me is how dumb we have become to it. these stories have become so common that you have to remind yourself how wrong this is and how different it is than the experience in other

industrialized countries. we need to act and summon the political will to do it. >> the idea that politicians have a tendency to act out of fear of consequence more than simply out of good conscious. you lived this in ohio. you wanted a red flag law. you wanted to do sensible change. not to demonize the mentally ill but to find ways with a certain show of proof where you can get guns taken away from someone in distress. do i have it right? and what happened? >> well, look, the problem is that you have a force that opposes any change in the law. and in order to counter them, you need to have the public. if i had been able to rally 10,000 people on the lawn of the state house, i think i could have gotten it done. the problem is is that the people who were for some sort of gun control are divided. they're not united and people haven't seen the reason to show

up. these people support the universal background checks. why do they happen? it's because those people that want no change are very loud in these people's districts and yet we don't hear enough from the public. chris, as i mentioned to you earlier, change comes from the bottom up, not the top down. and if you don't get people demanding these kind of changes in town hall meetings and meetings with the legislatures it won't happen because the people that oppose any change are the ones that have the loudest choice. they're consistent. they're loud and they're effective. that doesn't mean we can't get the changes. when you think about florida, that was the state that had the least chance to change the gun laws but when the parkland kids said enough is enough, they made it impossible for the politicians to look the other way and they got dramatic change. >> after the pulse night club shooting that was terrible and it was the first time we had

seen gays targeted. not just kids in schools. rick scott had nothing to do with it but when he wanted to be elected in the senate. crowds of thousands said we're coming for you, is that the reality that you may say i'm in for the 90% but if you don't vote on it, you get nothing. >> that's totally the case. >> we saw a lot of hands in the suburban areas. but i want to say something about governor scott. he introduced a very dramatic

gun proposal. 14 point proposal this week. the first-person out of the box to attack him was rick scott because he's trying to get well with the gun activists in his own party for fear that he strayed too far. this is a voting issue for people in a way that the other side is not organized and i totally agree with governor kasich. until people make this a voting issue, politicians are going to respond to where they get the heat from. >> let's leave it there. it's about them. you can't just blame it on the nra or a magical problem with the government. >> show up when you feel strongly, chris. show up and make your voice

heard. the people in this country are in charge. they just need to know it and use their voice. >> thank you both for doing this. especially on short notice. appreciate it. >> i often say to you, you guys reward opposition and reward the negativity. that's why we get more and more of it in our society. not always and i'll be part of the change that i want to see. it's nice to reward somebody for doing something she wasn't supposed to be able to do anymore. and at a level that matters. tyra banks made a statement about as bold as any i've seen recently. she is back on the cover of sports illustrated 22 years after becoming the first african american model to get her own solo cover. she's now the oldest model to be the cover of the issue. 45 years old. she is coming at it with a new perspective. this is for everybody told they're not good enough because

of their body, their age, their everything. #banks is here to tell you that you are fierce no matter what anybody says. d. lemon. i love this story. one, full disclosure, big fan. i'm not objective on this. i love breaking a barrier. >> i have a surprise for you. >> what do you have? >> roll it, please. >> look, everyone, see what that says? that says tyra banks. tyra banks is on the phone. tell me about this cover. it's everything. what do you want me to say to chris? >> you know what, i don't think chris is ready. i don't know if chris can handle that cover. >> tyra, you look amazing. were you nervous at all? >> i was a bit nervous because i was 35 pounds heavier than the last cover i did 22 years ago. and i was like i'm going to diet

and i'm going to get in shape and then -- >> no. >> then i lost 7 pounds in one week. and i went to my momma's house and the cheetos were calling my name. >> you got to do what you got to do. do me a favor and say now let's get after it. >> now let's get after it. you're welcome. >> thank you very much. i read the magazine for the articles, but i will say this, that i love that she is taking the image. people will look at it and be like 35 pounds. maybe she is 35 pounds heavier but it's in all the right places. she looks amazing for her age. i love that she's redefining that you don't get to say what age is beautiful. you don't get to judge what body is beautiful. she's on the cover. it's a big statement. other people have tried to do it but i love that it's her.

>> i love it too and i love people making a difference. two of those people will be on my show. she now writes for the atlantic and is very outspoken and also bennett that wrote this book. it says dear black boys. we'll discuss what happened at the white house today with the red sox. why some players went and players of color did not go and also why conservatives keep touting african american unemployment and is that the right thing to do when they're trying to get the african american vote. >> i love that. that was bothersome today because it was so obvious that the divisions are being played upon and being made real. we're taking it up in the closing argument about what happened at the president's rally and what he decided to just wave away as if it meant nothing. i believe in the main this country is united on values.

most people are center right and center left. not these fringe types that are so loud in their voice. >> and angry. >> look the media responds to it. the media plays to amplitude and but you're going to have a very important conversation with them and look on the other side of the scale it's great that tyra's on the cover and it's not a big deal sthoohe's black. now you don't get to define what's beautiful, that's for us to do, the people who want to look and at 45 what a dream she still is. >> the loudest voices -- great for tyra. the loudest voices aren't also the majority, they're just the ones that make the most noise. >> the president's poll numbers are proof of it. >> colin quinn will talk to us about that. >> tyra, nothing about you, now noticed. i like that you have her number. >> let's get out of here. >> more reach than i expected.

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11 billion is what they have actually received, it's just a fraction of what they need. and you have to remember the context. the president thought about a dozen people died there, remember and he was like, thank god it wasn't like katrina. it's well over 2,000 people, another fact this president has refused to own. and the reason they haven't gotten more money, like what they need, seems to point to the spite of this president. reportedly he keeps saying not to give them anymore money and then he exaggerates what they did get and that's deceptive and it's wrong. now that's the true part. the sad part is that most of you are going to shrug, right? you'll say this is what he does, he lies. how is this any different and how is he any different than any of these other politicians? >> my argument is the more you forgive per fity and a pension for bad acts -- and a lack of

sb integrity in one area is indicative of a deeper defect. i argue it cannot be similarly waved away, here it is. >> when you have two or three border security people that are brave and greet and don't forget we don't let them and we can't let them use weapons. we can't. other countries do. we can't. i would never do that. but how do you stop these people? you can't. there's no -- that's only in the panhandle you can get away with that stuff. >> what are they cheering for? some generous spirit out there in the crowd says shoot them. that's how you stop the migrants. let's assume the man wasn't serious. but that -- just that suggestion, even in twisted jest, doesn't that scream out for something more from a president, all he could muster is only in the panhandle. of course not.

that's just all he wanted to say because he isn't bothered by the joke, or maybe even the suggestion. and in truth he didn't get away with it. he was all but congratulated for it and i bet it would go over pretty well at many of the trump rallies. and the proof of why is to look closer of the what the president said. he offers up that we can't let the border security folks use their weapons. why bring it up? why bring it up if it's so disgusting an idea to you? and they are armed. they don't shoot these people because they're not confronted with threat and they see their job is primarily a humanitarian mission. if they deal with bad people they deal with them accordingly, i've seen it. if you're really worried about them being so outnumbered why don't you provide more resources for them through your emergency declaration instead of just building a fence which doesn't help them with what they face right now. he says others shoot them, but i

would never allow that. why point to a bad example of a possibility? why point to it as a possibility? the truth is you can't allow it, not here. this is america. all right? would you let the joke go by. here's the test. if you found it offensive. no, right. the guy said let's shoot your kids, god forbid, he'd say, don't say that, don't joke like that. why didn't he say that to this man. don't joke like that. we're better than that. people who live in countries who do what you're talking about, those countries, their people run to us because we're decent. even if they don't have a right to be here, even if they never get to stay we treat them with decency because this is america. land of immigrants, of law, justice, respect for humanity. this president said none of that because it doesn't sell, because he is in on the joke. but outside those rallies people are not laughing with this president.

the country is suffering through more school shootings and the madness of pointless violence and we all say we care. at a minimum there's no need to joke about shooting anyone, especially not now. i argue to you that america has become great not because of our differences but our shared values. don't forget what makes us uniquely great in this country. thank you for listening to me tonight. there's a lot of news off this jim comey town hall. and d. lemon has that on "cnn tonight". >> there is a lot of it. i was glabflabbergasted. he said knock the hell out of them and you see -- there you go. chris, i overlooked something. i got a big show ahead. i want to get you to talk about this a little bit more. when i mentioned the red sox who did and did not go to the white house, you seemed to get a little -- you wanted to get a little deeper and i didn't really go there with you. >>