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from the president's off-the-rails surprise news conference today. >> what i'd like to see with iran, i'd like to see them call me. you know, john kerry speaks to him a lot. john kerry tells him not to call. that's a violence of the logan act, and frankly, he should be prosecuted on that. but my people don't want to do anything that's -- only the democrats do that kind of stuff, you know? >> kerry's spokesman said everything trump said there is wrong, but this is a big deal. the president says he'd like to see john kerry prosecuted, but his people don't want to. so he's talked to somebody about prosecuting someone he sees as an enemy. you remember, it was just last week that senator kamala harris asked the attorney general about exactly that. >> attorney general barr, has the president or anyone at the white house ever asked or suggested that you open an investigation of anyone?

>> um, i wouldn't -- >> yes or no? >> could you repeat that question? >> i will repeat it. has the president or anyone at the white house ever asked or suggested that you open an investigation of anyone? yes or no, please, sir. >> the president or anybody else. >> it seems you'd remember something like that and be able to tell us. >> yeah, but i'm trying to grapple with the word "suggest." there have been suggestions of matters out there that they've not asked me to open an investigation. >> perhaps they've suggested? >> i wouldn't say suggest. >> hinted? >> i don't know. >> inferred? you don't know. okay. >> attorney general really didn't sound like he wanted to answer that question, did he? did you see cory booker's face? it said everything.

well tonight senator harris sent him a letter demanding answers. sent the attorney general a letter demanding answers, pointedly saying in light of the president's deeply troubling statements, i request you supplement your testimony and clarify your answers to my question. let's see if he answers. a lot of talk. ryan lizza is here, carrie cordero and renato mariotti. did you happen to see cory booker's face when he was sitting there? yeah, that was great. i didn't catch it the first time. good evening, everyone. with the former fbi director james comey making news at tonight's cnn town hall, he says this about the president and possible obstruction. watch this. >> there is 10 different episodes. i actually think the ones that would be most likely charged are not necessarily the ones that involved me, but particularly this mcgahn episode and another episode where he was trying to get the attorney general to limit the investigation only to future elections are examples that any reasonable prosecutor

would charge. >> if -- there now -- it's up to 800 former federal prosecutors who worked in both republican and democratic administrations who have signed a statement saying that mueller's findings would have produced obstruction charges against president trump if he weren't president. do you agree? >> yeah, i agree. >> no doubt? >> no doubt. >> no doubt. so renato, listen, he believes there was obstruction and in some of the episodes mueller laid out. he also agrees with you that you were one of the former 800 federal prosecutors that trump would have been charged if he weren't president. what is the message here to congress and to the department of justice and to the american people? >> i think the message to the american people is that the president of the united states committed a crime and although that is not completely transparent to the average person when they read the mueller report, it's plainly obvious to someone like james comey or myself, former

prosecutors who are looking at them. mueller clearly laid out the evidence and made clear that is substantial evidence to each of the elements. i think the question now is do we want the president to be above the law. i think that is a bigger question, but i certainly think it's a proper inquiry for congress, because as i think there is a cnn poll, 87% of americans haven't read much of the mueller report. so i think it's something that our elected representatives are taking a look at, and i think they have a right to examine and educate the public on the issue. >> i'm saying this as -- do you have to put up on the screen? i understand he is responding via twitter, so let's put it up. james comey is a disgrace to the fbi and will go down as the worst director in its long and once proud history. he brought the fbi down. almost all republicans and democrats thought he should be fired, but the fbi will regain greatness because of the great men and women who work there. a lot of "greats" there. shocking, ryan? >> it's just shocking that he wasn't live tweeting the event itself, and that it took him

this long to send that out. of course it's not shocking. we've all been waiting for his response, because comey, you know, look, comey did not pull any punches. he rarely does these days, but he was very clear that he -- his reading of the mueller report was that the obstruction charges were, you know, at least several of them were very clear-cut. and he has very little respect for this president. so no, i'm not surprised that trump would go after him at all. in fact, it was kind of a mild tweet for trump, to be honest. >> well said. carrie, there is also this moment. watch. >> do you think the russians have leverage over president trump? >> i don't know the answer to that. >> think it's possible? >> yes. >> so that's a fear even today, that there is kompromat on president trump. would that have been in the mueller report, do you think? >> well, remember there was part of the report that talked about

the pattern of obstruction that the president engaged in over a period of time, and there was the other part that talked about whether or not there was a criminal conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russian government. and part of that underlying investigation would have been the national security part of the investigation. that's the area where actually the mueller report doesn't get into the heavy national security side of things. the senate intelligence committee has been doing an investigation on that, and actually, the house intelligence committee, both the chair and the ranking member in a rare bipartisan move have requested more information that the government and the justice department has and the special counsel discovered in the course of their investigation on the national security part. so one thing to keep in mind is that the mueller report actually, as comprehensive as it is, doesn't actually tell the entire story. it was never going to. it was never intended to because it was a prosecutive document.

>> yeah. >> so renato, i found this -- there were lots of fascinating moments during the town hall, but this one was maybe one of the most fascinating. comey explained how people like barr and others around trump make compromises to survive this administration, himself included. and he told this story. here it is. >> so i sat there at dinner with him, and he went on about how he had the biggest inauguration crowd in history, he didn't make fun of a disabled reporter. all these lies are copping at you, and you're sitting there over your salad thing that's not true, that's not true, that's not true. but you don't interrupt the president saying mr. president, i saw the tape. you made fun of the reporter. all of the sudden it washes over you. you finish the dinner or the meeting and oh my god, i'm part of a silent circle of ascent. did i just agree that was true because i didn't speak? and then there are these rituals of praise of the leader. and pretty soon you're wrapped so tightly in this web that there is no way out for you.

>> the way he describes how it washes over you. is that a lot of what we're seeing now from folks in the administration, others in the gop? that -- okay, we lost carrie. how about that? >> that was scary. >> renato? is renato still there? there is carrie. she is back. go ahead, renato. >> what i was going to say, that is what we saw today with rod rosenstein. here is a man who, you know, just months ago was desperate to hang on to his job, was very concerned about being fired, thought he didn't want to go out via tweet, and he got his big sendoff today. and he was standing there silently as the attorney general lied and misled the american people. so to me, it's really hard for me to understand why otherwise honorable people are doing what they do. and i think comey had a limited insight into that, but i think

we got a little bit of a sense of that today. >> so carrie, comey was asked a few questions about former secretary of state and democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton. watch this. >> no, i've never met secretary clinton, ever. and so i've never been -- >> you've never, ever met her? >> ever. i've never been in her physical presence. actually have never spoken to her, on the phone or otherwise. >> what would you say? >> well, i would hope that i could have a conversation with her. look, i feel badly that she feels like she said in her book i think that i shived her. i would hope to give her the chance -- i would hope to give her the chance to understand why we made the decisions we made. it wasn't about trying to hurt her or hurt donald trump or help donald trump. >> carrie, are you surprised that given comey's outsized role in the 2016 election, that they had never -- that they've never met? >> i don't know. not necessarily. i think sometimes people think that everybody in washington knows each other, but it's not always the case. and given that he was

supervising an investigation that was looking at activities that she was involved in with respect to the email servers and everything, it doesn't surprise me actually that in his role as fbi director that he would not have met her. but i think the bigger point that he was trying to make was that despite the fact that he is still not liked by many people in the democratic party, and there is still a lot of hard feelings there, that he is trying to elevate the conversation and identify things that people can be not just partisan about, but recognize that what's going on in the white house right now is something different, and even people who have political disagreements can agree that we should have somebody in the white house who is not a liar and who people can have some confidence and trust in. >> okay. so let's talk about what i talked about in the open to this hour, ryan. and that is the president of the united states talking about john

kerry, saying -- accusing him of violating the logan act. and it's what senator kamala harris asked him about last week, the attorney general, and the attorney general just said okay, well, i don't know if anyone has ever suggested that i should prosecute anybody or start an investigation on anyone. this is exactly what kamala harris was asking about. she sent the attorney general a letter today. what do you think? >> well, a couple of things. one, i wonder if barr will now speak up and say what he said in one of the moments in his testimony, saying that he hoped people would stop using the criminal justice system for political purposes. >> but isn't that what the president said today, that he wanted to use the criminal justice system? >> absolutely, absolutely. and barr was directing that at democrats, arguing that they were trying to use the criminal justice system to get the president. and put aside for a second whether or not you believe that's true. i don't think that's what the mueller investigation showed.

but the president does think that way. he's thought that way since he was a candidate. he's thought that way in the way he's talked about who his attorney general should be, in the way he has talked historically about how the attorney general and the president, what their relationship should be. he thinks that eric holder was sort of picked as a protector of obama. he thinks that the kennedy -- john kennedy-robert kennedy model was a good model to emula emulate, that object kennedy was there to protect. barr was there to speak up and say you know, mr. president, that's not how this works. i doubt that happened. but he fired at democrats the other day when they said something like this, and the president has a much longer track record of thinking that the justice department should be his political tool. >> thank you, all. see you next time. thank you so much. >> thank you. the president laughed the other day when someone in his rally crowd yelled out that migrants should be shot. that's right.

he laughed. the thing is, this isn't the first time he has made light of violence against other people. and is there really ever any defense of any president joking about violence?

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at his florida rally, wednesday, the president turned the idea of shooting migrants into a joke. >> i would never do that. but how do you stop these people? you can't. >> that's only in the panhandle. what riot. let's have a big old laugh about that. in response to a backlash, the campaign official noted you can't shoot migrants that is true. that's not the point here. instead of condemning an act of violence as a president is supposed to do, this president and his adoring crowd laughed along. the president hinted at this before. this is march.

>> other countries stand there with machine guns ready to fire. we can't do that, and i wouldn't want to do that, okay? it's a very effective way of doing it and i wouldn't want to do it. we can't do it. >> he wouldn't want to do it and we can't do that. the president said we can't threaten migrants with machine guns, but thinks it would be very effective. this president has a long history of encouraging violence. >> the guards are very gentle with him. he is walking out with big high-fives, like to punch him in the face. i'll tell you. >> if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, okay? just knock the hell. i promise you, i will pay for the legal fees. i promise. i promise. try not to hurt him. if you do, i'll defend you in court. >> part of the problem and part

of the reason it takes so long is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore. there are no consequences to protesting anymore. they used to be consequences. >> i would have been out there fighting, folks. i don't know if i would have done well, but i would have been boom, boom, boom, beat the -- >> the president. team trump denies it, over and over again. >> i certainly don't think that the president at any point has done anything but condemn violence. against journalists or anyone else. >> the president in no way form or fashion has ever promoted or encouraged violence. if anything, quite the contrary. >> and the idea that the president or anybody on his team or in his administration would encourage violence is absolutely absurd. >> must never have again to a rally. maybe she doesn't have a television.

we just played the clips for her. don't believe your own eyes and your owner's? you heard him right there. make no mistake. this is part of the trump playbook, winking and nodding at violence. it is a playbook that white supremacists, white nationalists embrace. the person that killed 11 people at the tree of life synagogue was so angry about migrant caravans, something the president brought up over and over again as a scare mongering tactic in the run-up to the 2018 election that he allegedly committed the deadliest act on jews in american history. white supremacist coast guard lieutenant allegedly stockpiled more than 15 guns. a thousand rounds of ammunition to kill people donald trump considers his enemies. and another racist trump supporter sent pipe bombs to the clintons, to the obamas, other

democrats, major news organizations. and what did the recipients all have in common? they were all perceived enemies of the president. and how does the president react to white nationalists? he defends them. this is days after the white nationalists killed heather heyer in nashville. >> you also had people who are very fine people on both sides. >> it should come as no surprise to you that he thinks white nationalism isn't a big problem. >> you see today white nationalism as a rising threat around the world? >> i don't really. it's a small group of people that have very serious problems, i guess. >> well, guess what? that flies in the face of evidence. attackers with ties to right wing extremists killed 50 people last year. okay. these are the facts, folks. don't get mad at me for giving

you the fax. they killed 50 people last year. 73% of extremist killings in country were carried out by white supremacists between 2009 and 2018. we don't need to worry about the president's words contributing to acts of violence. that's already happening. the question is what are we going to do about it? james comey has an idea. he was asked tonight about the rhetoric in his country right i know towards immigrants. watch this. >> the images and the reality of children in cages at our border is a stain on this country. and if there is anything good that can come from that, it will be a stirring of the giant. tortures in charlottesville, commission in cages, wake up. think about what america's values are and vote those values. >> scott jennings, tara setmayer, aisha moodie-mills are here. we're going to talk about why it's so dangerous for the president not to condemn violent rhetoric, next.

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at a florida rally on wednesday, the president laughed off a supporter's call to shoot migrants crossing the border. >> we don't let them and we can't let them use weapons. we can't. other countries do. we can't. i would never do that, but how do you stop these people? you can't. there's no -- that's only in the panhandle you can get away with that statement. >> let's bring in scott jennings, tara setmayer, aisha moodie-mills. good evening. good to see all of you. tara, i'm going to start you. an audience member shouts we should shoot migrants crossing the border. the president cracks a joke. what do you think?

>> i think it's disgusting and should be very alarming not only the fact the president of the united states laughed at the prospect of illegally shooting people, basically the extrajudicial killings of people coming here illegally or seeking asylum, but the fact that there were that many people in the audience who hooped and hollered and cheered for that very alarming, that there are people in the united states that seem to think that this is okay. you know, let's not act like people are not taking things into their own hands already. we already know about these lunatics down on the border. these unregulated militias that are acting like vigilantes to try to, quote, secure the border because trump has been pumping up this whole thing about there's an invasion, there's an invasion. is there a problem at the southern border? yes, there is. do we have trained border patrol agents and i.c.e. agents and others working hard every day and honorably to do their jobs and protect this country and the border? yes, we do. the department of defense put out an intelligence report at

the end of 2018 saying there are over 200 unregulated militias right now patrolling the border, and that they're concerned about confronting them more so than they are with the immigrants coming across the border. so this is a problem. what is is it going to take? the president laughs at this. next thing you know, you're going to have one of these immigrants shooting immigrants or someone they perceive to be an immigrant, then what? you have blood on your hands. >> aisha, why is this dangerous? >> well, it's dangerous for everything that was just stated. it's dangerous because you have the occupant of the white house who's inciting violence. here's the thing, though, don. i want us to remember this is not surprising and it's not new. the republican party is 86% white for a reason because since the '60s, there was a consorted effort to make this the party of the white man and they did that through race baiting and racial undertones. so we're in a situation now where you have the current president who's inciting violence and racist rhetoric. now the target is immigrants,

but at the end of the day it's because they're brown. and this is intended. this is something that the republican party has always used as their strategy. they see this as a way to win. 35% or so folks in america are always going to support this party. i'm not saying they're all racist, but i'm saying that race really matters. and so we've got to get to the heart of that and really have those real conversations because today, it's about immigrants and the border. tomorrow it will be about something else. but at the end of the day, this is the party's strategy, and that's what so problematic. >> just quick, scott, before i get to you, do you -- tara, you still consider yourself a republican? i'm not sure. did you leave the party? >> i'm a conservative. >> got it. >> yeah. >> okay. >> it's a little tough to take the label still, but i'm a conservative first which matters. >> true conservative on the panel now and one -- an identified republic and and that is scott. scott, i want you to respond to that. do you think the president knew in the moment it was wrong but just doesn't want to insult anyone maybe in his adoring crowd? i'm trying to figure out a reason.

he'd rather have their acclaim. he's the president and there is a duty to stand up to that kind of ugliness, no? >> yeah, i think your assessment of what he was probably thinking is probably right. i don't think he should indulge these kinds of comments, though. because it's not right. and, yeah, sure, there are always going to be people in crowds then out there wherever they are who make dumb comments like this and you shouldn't indulge it as the president, so i don't like these kinds of comments. i don't like them popping up at political events. i don't like the president indulging it. i wish he would just say we're not going to have any of that kind of talk here. >> that's going to be wishful thinking. >> hold on, tara, hang on. >> he's done it many times. >> i've got to give scott his due because obvious hi he has done it many times. he did make a joke. he said, the president should not do that. scott, i commend you for doing that. >> is the bar really that low now? >> yes, the bar is that low. it's sad that it is.

>> i know. >> because we see so many people come and and make excuses for this president. >> that's true. >> no matter what his behavior. i do have to say when someone actually does it, i want to just give -- >> i think that's a sad state of affairs. >> i'm not disagreeing with you. >> i would have to -- >> just telling you why i'm doing it. >> i get it. >> scott -- listen -- hold on, hang on. listen, you note that the president's approval ratings are the highest that they've ever been and that is true. his approval rating it at 46% in the gallup poll but he's never broken 50%. do you think the voters outside of his base are turned off by that kind of rhetoric? >> good question. i don't know. i think that the people who already don't like donald trump, as evidenced by our panel tonight, certainly are unhappy with the rhetoric. i think what strikes me that is driving his approval rating up right now is just the torrent of good economic news, so i think that the reason he's going up has to do with unemployment, has to do with wage growth, has to do with manufacturing resurgence and so on and so forth.

look, i think these kinds of comments will get a lot of attention as the presidential campaign wears on. if you look at the cohort of voters that went away from the republican party in the 2018 midterms, yeah, i think they could be bothered by this kind of rhetoric but on the whole i think the president's rise is largely due to his, "a," good economic record and "b," to some degree his willingness to call out the crisis at the southern border and at least get congress to move on it even though they haven't so far. >> listen, i'm not fighting with tara or aisha. i do think it's a low bar. sometimes you sit here you're like, whoa, well, that was different. scott, thank you. >> can i just say something really quickly? >> i got to go. >> just really -- >> i got to go. i'm sorry. see you next time. thanks. bye. we'll be right back.

sources telling cnn members of the president's inner circle are frustrated that the republican-led senate intel committee subpoenaed donald trump junior.

the president defending his eldest son today saying don junior is a good person and that he's very surprised he's been subpoenaed. i want to talk about this and other developments with senator chris coons, a democrat from delaware. senator, thank you so much. i appreciate you joining us. i know it's a busy time. so, subpoenaing the son of a president really is no small thing, as you know. why do you believe the republican-controlled senate intelligence committee subpoenaed donald trump junior? >> well, my speculation on this, don, would be that they reached out to him. they reminded him that those who were previously interviewed by the intelligence committee were told that the committee could bring them back at any time to clarify statements. other folks who are members of the president's inner circle, according to press reports, have been back to be re-interviewed by the intelligence committee following the release of the mueller report, and my hunch is that donald trump junior refused to come so they fell compelled to subpoena him. any committee, such as judiciary on which i serve, or

intelligence, that's questioned someone where they have reason to think that they weren't testifying truthfully is completely within their scope and powers to demand that they come back and clarify their testimony. >> okay. you said if they have reason to believe he didn't speak truthfully or clarify testimony, then what happens? if the senate intel committee determines that don junior lied, senator? >> he can be referred for prosecution for lying to congress. as we know, several of the folks who were central figures in the mueller investigation have been prosecuted for lying to congress. that's one of the most striking features of mueller's investigation is that, you know, more than a dozen folks ended up being indicted and some pled guilty. most were convicted. but it's ended up leading with quite a few folks being charged and held guilty as matters of accountability for having lied to congress. >> i want you to listen to what the president said this morning about robert mueller.

>> do you allow robert mueller to testify in congress? >> well, i'm going to leave that up to our very great attorney general, and he'll make a decision on that. >> so, senator, this is yet another reversal. most recently when he tweeted over the weekend that mueller shouldn't testify. he says it's up to barr now, but don't you think that barr knows exactly what the president really wants? >> yes. one of my real concerns about bill barr since he was nominated by president trump was that he would end up acting as the president's personal defense attorney rather than the attorney general of united states, someone who serves all of us and is the people's attorney. in recent hearings in front of the judiciary committee, ways in which attorney general barr characterized the mueller report, his specific use of the term, "spying," to characterize what i think was authorized surveillance, have suggested that he's really got more of a political agenda than is appropriate. i, frankly, think if president

trump is guilty, excuse me, if president trump is innocent of any of the questions or charges that have been laid against him, he should want to prove it. he should want bob mueller to come in front of the congress and testify further about this report and clarify any questions or misunderstandings there may have been. so my advice to president trump would be if you're innocent, act like it, and follow through on a previous commitment no you made to let folks come forward and testify to congress about the outcome of the mueller report. >> i want you to watch this, this is manu raju when he caught up with the senate judiciary chairman lindsey graham and asked him about the don junior subpoena. here it is. >> burr issued a subpoena. >> i like richard burr. i just don't know -- to me, mueller is the last word for me, so i'm over, i'm done. he testified before the committee. testified to the special counsel. in this environment, i'd be very reluctant if i were a lawyer to let my client get back into this

mess, but that will be up to don junior and his lawyer. >> so, senator, to correct the record, don junior never testified to the special counsel, but for graham to say he's over, he's done, why just roll over like that? >> well, this is following the lead of majority leader mitch mcconnell who came to the floor recently and said "case closed." chairman graham has also said publicly, i'm done, this is over. when in reality, i think there were lots of questions raised by the second volume of mueller's report. the first volume of mueller's report deals with russian interference in our 2016 election, and we shouldn't set that aside, either. we should taking stronger actions to defend our next election against russian interference, but the second volume deals with ten different instances of obstruction, of actions by the president or his core advisers, that could make out some of the elements of a potential obstruction charge and there's quite a few instances characterized in that second

volume detailed in that second volume that i think are worthy of further investigation and examination. that's why i joined all of my democratic colleagues on the senate judiciary committee in sending a letter to chairman graham saying, we believe special counsel mueller should come in front of the judiciary committee and answer our questions about that second volume of the report. >> senator, the house judiciary chairman jerry nadler told me just last night that they'll hear from robert mueller because he'll subpoena him if he has to. you think it will come to that? >> my hope would be that the special counsel will voluntarily come forward and testify, will be allowed to come forward and testify to the judiciary committee. as was made clear this week, the house judiciary committee is willing to use the full process of law available to them to compel that testimony. my hope is it didn't come to that. robert mueller has had a long and storied and honorable career in federal law enforcement and i think he should be allowed to and willing to come testify to

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coming up this memorial day, a cnn original series special state blue state starring median starring comedian collin quin, straight state blue state starring comedian collin quinn. he takes a look tenacity rhetoric dividing americans today and saying if the united states should stay united after all. here to talk about it is colin quinn. >> thanks don, good to see you again. >> how are you? >> great to see you. >> you and i have talked politics before. i'm going to put up new polls. this is out of new hampshire today and it shows the vice president joe biden with a huge lead, bernie sanders has 36%, bernie sanders at 18%. and then big names like elizabeth warren. pete buttigieg, kamala harris. look at that, 36%. what's your view of the field. >> that's an insult to bernie sanders because le is from vermont, right next door.

the person who hates you the most, new hampshire, we don't like him. vermont and new hampshire are like red state, blue state. >> what do you think, though, seriously, that's a pretty diverse group and joe biden just got in last week. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> but he's got that crazy energy of a guy that's been around -- you know, back slapping and shaking hands and, you know, making people laugh at barbecues for 50 years. he comes in running. >> you won't say who you think it will come down to? >> it's too early. luke at beto. six months ago, oh, beto. he is the heisman trophy winner that turns pro. suddenly it's over. what happened to that guy? he was the greatest. >> you are a new yorker. it's beto. >> beto. >> but he is out basically. >> i want to talk to you about your new cnn special, red state, blue state. started off as an off-broadway play. tell us about it. >> well, i've been writing about it. when i was writing about unconstitutional, and then about the country breaking up. but it was more like people what

what, we're not going to break up. but everybody else is talking about how this is going to happen. this show's about how we would break up practically speaking, into city states and become a -- you know, separate but together, like soviet union did. >> you think that could actually -- look at the divide in the country. >> i think it should. >> you think it should? >> yeah, i think we should divide like the soviet union broke up into uzbekistan, ukraine. why not? try it. because right now, it's ready to explode most of the time. >> well, i'm wondering, they always ask -- our actors always say what's my inspiration. what was your motivation? is this a by product of the trump administration or what? >> no, because i was -- i felt like it was happening before. trump is just like a -- he's a good figure. he is like a byproduct of this breakup. >> right. >> the opposite way is more like it is, you know what i mean, he's the manifestation of both sides. i feel like he got elected by the left and the right. you know. and so i was doing it in standup

and then we did it as a show. >> i wonder, what do you think our particular ailment is, what is it? >> i think -- well, i mean a lot of things, from day one, we didn't get along but social media you can actually see each other. in the old days you'd say, i heard they're like that there but nobody would see each other. now everybody's in each other's face all day and also i feel like politically all parties and all people are afraid of the people on social media. it's the ultimate democracy. i ultimate democracy is tyranny of the mob. >> don't people put too much emphasis on social media and they rely too much on what people on social media say? >> yeah. i think the next -- i think the best candidate would be the person that's like i don't care what you say on social media. >> i agree with you. >> somebody with a flip phone. >> let's watch this part of the special, here it is. >> we look in the mirror and see ourselves as we really are, and realize most of what everybody

says about each other is true. the right can be a little racist and the left can be a little fascist and you can tell the christians by their guns and the liberals by their hatred of free speech. is this what we're supposed to look -- is this what we really are? >> how do we move past this then? that was pretty damning of political parties. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. i mean, i don't know if we can move past -- i mean, we -- somebody who's strong enough to say, look, here's how i feel about everything. i don't care what any poll says. i don't care what anybody says in either because both parties are led by extremists and led by social media. so unless there's somebody who's like can speak practically and just say, look, this is what i feel, you know what i mean, you're never going to resolve it. it's too disparate. >> we're on the verge of civil war? >> yeah. i talk about it in the show. i say it's the first time in history you'll see refugees. >> my man. we love having you on.

>> thanks. i love being on. >> good luck with this. i can't wait to see it. colin quinn, it premieres memorial day here on cnn. thank you for watching. before we leave you tonight, a look at a new cnn special, champions for change. >> some people -- >> some stories -- >> are so powerful they leave their mark. >> nobody has ever affected me the way your son did. >> their work creates real impact. >> on their communities. >> on their country. >> on us all. >> meet the changemakers we have never forgotten. >> what a difference seven years makes. >> this is the place where we jumped. >> yeah. this is the place where i live. >> wow. >> this is bill from cnn. >> it was my first time today. >> these are the champions for change.

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