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don mcgahn to say publicly that president trump did not obstruct justice and mcgahn refused. a source familiar with the president said he was upset with mcgahn's refusal. the story was first reported in "the wall street journal." "the new york times" has reporting that the white house made the request to mcgahn at least twice in the last month. mcgahn was a key witness for robert mueller. he was mentioned in the report more than 500 times. according to the mueller report, president trump sought to have mcgahn fire mueller. mcgahn refused to do that as well but the president denied that ever happened. joining us is the reporter who first broke the story, rebecca ballhouse. rebecca, what are you learning about this outreach from the white house to don mcgahn. >> what we understand is within a day of the release of the mueller report, emmet flood, a top white house lawyer, the white house special counsel, received a request from the president that he ask don mcgahn to publicly declare in a statement that he didn't believe his interactions with the president, which included trump

asking him to seek mueller's dismissal and subsequently to deny that that conversation ever happened, that mcgahn thought that that amounted to obstruction of justice and they wanted the statement to come out right in the middle of sort of this public furor that was emerging over the report that had a lot of these explosive details about the president's efforts to get rid of robert mueller in the early stages of his investigation. >> so president trump wanted mcgahn to say that he didn't believe the president had tried to obstruct justice? >> that's right. and we know that emmet flood, when he reached out to mcgahn's lawyer, pointed to some previous conversations that mcgahn's lawyer had had with other attorneys for the president in which he had said that if mcgahn felt that he had -- that the president had ordered him to commit a crime or that the president had committed a crime that he would have resigned. since he didn't resign, there was an inference to be drawn there. so flood pointed to those conversations and essentially

asked them to say that again more publicly. >> so what was their response? >> their response was that mcgahn declined to put out any kind of statement. this was for a couple of reasons, according to what we're hearing. number one, mcgahn didn't want to be perceived as commenting on anything in the report beyond his own testimony. but in addition to that, he didn't really want to comment on his own testimony because he felt that you can't really say whether the president obstructed justice based off of one part of what was testimony from hundreds of witnesses. and he also felt that his own statement saying what he believed or didn't believe about whether the president obstructed justice wasn't really relevant when the attorney general had already determined that he didn't believe there was a prosecutable crime. >> do we know, does mcgahn actually believe the president did not obstruct justice? >> well, i think that's a hard question to answer and it's one that i think that lawmakers will want mcgahn to answer. i think the fact that he

threatened -- that he felt -- that he would have resigned if he felt like he was witnessing a crime and didn't resign is interesting. but it is, as you noted, important to point out that he was prepared to resign if trump pressed again about having him seek mueller's dismissal. so he clearly felt that there was the potential for obstruction of justice there if it had been carried out. >> is it known when mcgahn left the white house -- i mean he and the president, do we know what their relationship was by then? did they leave on okay terms? >> we know that the president was really incensed by reporting around last summer that mcgahn had spent 30 hours with mueller's investigators. i think that shows itself in the fact that the president's lawyers reached out to mcgahn's lawyer to figure out what exactly mcgahn had said. so i think relations were pretty tense by the time that mcgahn left last fall.

i believe at the time the president announced that mcgahn would be leaving in a tweet, which surprised mcgahn himself. >> rebecca ballhaus, appreciate it. thank you very much. >> thank you. "the new york times" also has this reporting. michael schmidt has the byline. joining me is maggie haberman. who is the white house correspondent and cnn political analyst. maggie, what does it say that the president wanted mcgahn to make a statement like this? >> look, i think this fits, anderson, with a pattern of what we have seen the president try to do over the last several years, which is he tries to get aides to tamp down information he thinks could be problematic. he tried to get don mcgahn to issue a statement saying that the president had never told mcgahn to fire mueller. mcgahn refused to do that. that is one of the acts mueller considered as possible obstruction of justice. so i think this fits in line with what we've seen the president do repeatedly, try to get people to issue statements on his behalf. it's notable that mcgahn declined to do so.

>> if the president wasn't concerned about obstruction of justice and fully believed he had been exonerated as he keeps saying he is, why would he need to go to mcgahn to go out and say this? >> i think that's right. look, mueller -- to your point, mueller was pretty clear, he and his team, in the report that they were not exonerating the president on obstruction of justice. that if they felt they could say that a crime was not committed, that they would have made that very clear. they didn't feel they could say that and so they didn't. it was bill barr, the attorney general, and rod rosenstein, then the deputy attorney general, who said in their summary that they do not believe that obstruction was committed because there was no underlying crime. that's not the view of the mueller team. >> you point out that this is a pattern. it's not only a pattern with don mcgahn, he did the same thing with jim comey, asking comey to publicly say that the president wasn't under investigation. he did it with rod rosenstein, trying to get rosenstein to have a press conference, according to the mueller report, and say that

it was his idea essentially to fire comey. >> correct. we also know from the mueller report that the president asked corey lewandowski, his former campaign manager, to ask jeff sessions to say something favorable to the president about the russia investigation and the possible conspiracy between the campaign and russian officials. that also didn't happen. we know that the president wanted michael cohen, his former personal lawyer and fixer, to stay sort of within his world and not say anything critical and not cooperate with authorities. when michael cohen pleaded guilty, that was when the president branded him a, quote unquote, rat. so we have seen this over and over again. >> mcgahn refused to do this. do you think it's at all connected to the attempts by the white house to prevent mcgahn's testimony in front of congress? >> i don't think that you can look at it as unrelated. i can't speak to their mindset, but it's certainly worth noting the context that the white house has asserted executive privilege over the report. that they invoked privilege, did

not assert it in terms of the documents that mcgahn has and the testimony that congress wanted from him, both documents and testimony. they have told him not to comply with the subpoena that he was issued. mcgahn's view as i understand it from people close to him was that the white house was the client. he's not in a position to violate that. either the president has to waive privilege or a court has to order mcgahn to comply. but i don't think you can take away the fact that the white house was asking mcgahn to issue this statement saying he didn't obstruct justice at a time when congress is eagerly looking for mcgahn's testimony. mcgahn is a key witness in the mueller case and this will add another question if he ever does appear before congress that he'll be asked. >> it was interesting, during the president's talks to reporters today, he said something that kind of -- actually it was yesterday, i'm sorry. he said something that -- he used a word he normally doesn't use in reference to obstruction. i just want to play this. >> i didn't have to give them a

document. i gave them 1.5 million documents. i gave them white house counsel. i gave them other -- anybody you want, you can talk to. at the end of the testimony, no collusion and essentially no obstruction. >> i think it's the first time i've heard him say essentially no obstruction. i don't know if it's a big deal at all, but it's just interesting whether he meant it or not, he usually says no obstruction. >> he's definitely now putting an asterisk on it. let's see if he continues to do that. up next, breaking news from steve bannon. we'll get his take on the administration's tactics on requests from house democrats. also meet a couple who travel the country on a mission to help survivors of mass shootings. unfortunately they know this grief firsthand and try to help survivors prepare for a future that few can imagine. allergies with sinus congestion and pressure? you won't find relief here.

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welcome back. again, our breaking news, an administration official saying the white house asked former white house counsel don mcgahn to state publicly that president trump did not obstruct justice. mcgahn refused and a source says the president was upset at that refusal. the other breaking news story, the escalating fight for the president's financial records. one of the most powerful democrats in congress has issued subpoenas now for president trump's tax returns. richard neal is demanding six years of the president's returns after the treasury department refused to turn them over. he has sent subpoenas to the irs commissioner and steve mnuchin setting up a likely lengthy court fight. this is democrats facing what they call unprecedented stonewalling by the trump administration. joining me now is steve bannon. i want to get your reaction, first of all, to the reporting about mcgahn. do you think mcgahn is an honorable guy? do you believe what he told the mueller team about what he says the president asked him to do is accurate? >> well, i think, you know, the

president at the time waived executive privilege, sent his white house counsel up and had over 30 hours of questioning. i was sent up, reince priebus was sent up, everybody in the white house. the president said go up and spend as much time as possible. i think it was over a million and a half documents. a hundred and some witnesses. >> do you think mcgahn was honest to what he said to mueller? >> i think you've got to read the report. don mcgahn is a pretty straightforward guy. this was a very serious investigation. i think it's unprecedented in what the president did. remember, i was the one that advocated not to fire people like comey. i said he had the right to do it. i thought just for the politics of it and get it out of the way. >> but the president says mcgahn lied. >> i didn't agree -- look, i think he got -- it's in the document. i think you've got to read the document. >> i've read it. >> i think the document is pretty straightforward. >> okay. a "new york times" report -- >> i think it's pretty straightforward. >> sorry, go ahead.

>> i think it's pretty straightforward. you've got to read the document. that's what -- you know, mueller and these guys had months and months and months to put it together. read the document. i think the document is what it is. >> a "new york times" report from earlier this week showed the president hadn't paid federal income taxes for eight out of ten years, called it sport when he was claiming enormous losses to the irs. does that play well among blue collar workers where the president did very well and turned democrats to his side, folks who are paying their taxes? i mean when you talk about an elite, that makes the president sound like an elite. >> look, if you look at the midwest states the president won, i think he won because of what's happened with china this week. he promised that he was going to reverse the pattern of the elites in the united states and really focus on bringing jobs back to working class people, middle class people throughout the country and particularly in the rust belt. i really don't think, anderson, somebody's taxes from 30 years ago and we don't even know if they're a summary of the taxes, what he did on depreciation.

he's a real estate developer. you know, you'd have to go through the whole thing. i don't think it's going to make a big deal. i don't think it's going to make any real difference. i think the issues are the issues of today and voters will say, hey, we thought about that in 2016. we either voted for the guy or didn't vote for the guy on other reasons. i think this is just something that's on the margin. >> i want to ask you about china in a second, but i understand why the president doesn't why the president doesn't want to release his tax returns. isn't the law pretty clear? it reads upon written request from the chairman of the committee of ways and means, the chairman of the finance of the senate or joint taxation the secretary will furnish the committee with any returning or return information specified in such request. it doesn't seem like there's a lot of wiggle room. i know it can be challenged in courts for a long time, but isn't the law clear? >> well, i think -- look, i'm not a lawyer. that's why you have teams of great lawyers around this. the secretary of the treasury said he's not going to do it.

steve mnuchin also -- i don't agree with steve all the time on his negotiating tactics, but steve is a pretty straight guy. secretary mnuchin. i think he came out and said he's not going to do it. that will go to the courts and they'll fight it. i think, anderson, this is what i was saying back in the summer and the fall, elections have consequences. when you lose the house of representatives and the house and the democrats take over their oversight, this is what you're going to get. i said the first six or eight months of this year will be the most vitriolic in american political history. i think you're seeing that every day. i think the vitriol that's building up on capitol hill and at the white house every day, it's a slugfest and i don't think it's going to stop. i think it's going to continue. >> let's talk china. you support obviously the tariffs on china. you praised the president for the stance he's taken. i was reading stuff you've said. you said that the goal into china is quite simply to break the back of this totalitarian mercantilist society. you've also written if the chinese communist party agrees to the u.s. demands and they're enforceable, it would, i'm

quoting, amount to a legal and regulatory dismantling of chinese state capitalism. if that's the goal, why would china compromise and make that deal if it's essentially to destroy their system? >> well, you know, look, i'm not in the white house and i'm not an advisor to the president now. i think the president has a great relationship with president xi. i think the president is trying to get to a deal. i think this week was one of the most important weeks in modern american at least economic history in that the chinese tried to do what they have often done before. and fundamentally retrade the united states. this is the first time you've seen a president drop the hammer and say i'm not going to take the retrade. we've been at this for, you know, six, eight, nine months. i've also delayed these other tariffs i think for six months. but these enforcement provisions and these monitoring provisions of the deal are absolutely essential and you have to do it. remember, i take real pride in being from day one a real hawk on this. i think chinese state capitalism is the system -- we have two systems right now.

the world is a house divided. half slave and half free. i think chinese state capitalism, i believe, has to be dismantled. i think a lot of things in this transaction start to do that. i think the chinese and particularly the hawks around president xi have really after the belt and road initiative forum in beijing said why do we need the americans? we've got a system that works for us. let's just try our system for a while. so i think it's a pretty big gap from where we are, but like i said, i'm pretty hard core on this. i'll also tell you, this is why i think trump is president of the united states. i think it was this managed decline of america by elites that he promised voters, particularly in the rust belt on the manufacturing side he was going to reverse. to me this gets to the central heart of his presidency. >> but it sounds like, though, what you're advocating for is more than just about bringing back manufacturing jobs to the heartland. it sounds like you want a larger confrontation with china, an overthrow of their system. i understand the abhorrence of

their regime, what they do to their citizens -- they are a superpower. isn't a larger confrontation potentially catastrophic? >> i think it's economic and you've got to bring in the free market capitalism, can't go on with two systems. like i said, i am more -- i've been known to be much more extreme in this area. i think what the president is trying to do and i think it's pretty logical is bring the supply chain, bring the supply chain back to the industrial democracies, particularly the united states, japan and western europe. and i think this deal will call for a lot of that. "the new york times" reported i think three or four weeks ago that's shocking to many that the supply chain is starting to come back. people should remember this 3.2% growth we had last week, that that one point over the 2.2 which people thought it was going to be, that surprising 33% increase, that virtually came from president trump's tariffs. that was us decreasing the deficit. so you're seeing the real economic juice in this for americans.

there's obviously others who you argued with in the white house who were arguing that tariffs are hurting american consumers. but i just want to ask you, do you think we're in a constitutional crisis? >> but anderson, anderson, anderson, hang on one second. i think import prices are actually falling. if you look at the fights that the globalists and nationalists had back in those days in the administration, i actually think trump's tariff policy is working. you're seeing import prices drop. you're seeing a dramatic rise in gdp. i think president trump is on to something. it's one of the reasons that he said, hey, i'm not going to crater on doing the retrade here. we're going to stick to our guns. i think the chinese look at themselves and say, hey, they're really trying to fundamentally change our system and we've got to stick to it. >> others would argue the trade deficit hasn't improved as of now. others would say that it's too early. >> it's started -- it's started -- it is, it's very early, but it's started to improve in april. i think a lot of people are

saying, hey, the president and these tariffs may be on to something. i think one of the biggest parts of this week, there was no definition today of what the process is going forward. in addition, i think the president has notified or the trade representative notified the federal register that there could be the increase of the other $325 billion of tariffs. i also think the chinese, if my sources are correct, the chinese did not participate in one of the treasury auctions today. so this could get very contentious and get very contentious very quickly. >> certainly teems like it -- seems like it i appreciate it, though, thanks very much. coming up, why is rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney, traveling to the ukraine? is it in part to collect information that might damage former vice president joe biden in his campaign for the presidential nomination? details on that ahead. all money managers might seem the same,

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know whether or not joe biden used his political power as vice president to shut down an investigation into a ukrainian company his son, hunter biden, was working with. >> it's a big story, it's a dramatic story, and i guarantee you joe biden will not get to election day without this being investigated. it will be a massive scandal. >> reporter: giuliani says he stumbled upon the biden story while investigating democrats' alleged efforts to spread misinformation about trump. he claimed to cnn that in 2016 as part of a broad anti-corruption push by the u.s., then vice president biden pressured the ukrainian government to oust its top prosecutor. he claims that prosecutor was investigating the ukrainian company called burisma holdings, a natural gas company which biden's son, hunter, was on the board of. after that prosecutor's removal, ukraine's new prosecutor dismissed the case against the company.

there is no evidence that joe biden acted improperly. in fact bloomberg reports the ukrainian government's case against the company had been dormant since 2014. that would have been two years before biden pushed to remove the prosecutor. giuliani told "the new york times," which first reported this story, he's not meddling in an election, but he's meddling in an investigation, which he said he has the right to do. he claimed there's nothing illegal about it and this isn't foreign policy. giuliani says he's planning to visit kiev to dig deeper. his efforts to entangle yet another foreign nation in our elections isn't lost on those in washington investigating the president. >> we've come to a very sorry state when it's considered okay for an american politician, never mind an attorney for the president, to go and seek foreign intervention in american politics. >> giuliani is also calling for the department of justice to investigate biden and says the

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that there's a timetable for grief. >> oh, yeah. >> do you get that? >> oh, yeah. the five stages of grief, right? and you go through all five of them and think, okay, now i'm done. and they don't tell you, oh, no, you get to start it all again and they're out of sequence. a lot of survivors just don't know that, especially going into it. you might find that what you have done for the last 20 years of your life or 30 years of your life has absolutely no meaning to you anymore. and that was certainly the case for us. >> it wasn't long after their daughter's murder that sandy and lonnie phillips quit their jobs. they have gotten rid of most of their belongings and rented out their house so they can travel around the country to mass shootings, hoping to meet survivors and offer help. the scene of a mass shooting is not an easy place to come to. it can be like walking into a stranger's funeral. >> we don't know each other yet, but we do now. >> reporter: but in grief, strangers can quickly become family.

>> you've got a second mom here. >> reporter: we saw the phillips' in thousand oaks, california, where 12 people were gunned down at a country music bar last november. it is one of the latest stops on their heart-breaking journey. >> if you haven't lost somebody close to you, you can't comprehend it. >> just days before they arrived here, they were in pittsburgh where 11 people were murdered at the tree of life synagogue. >> it's so interesting what you're doing. you're not trained therapists, you're not counselors, and yet you have upended your lives and reaching out in a very individual way to people. >> yeah. it's compassion. >> that's what it is. >> bottom line, it's about compassion. >> the compassion we get from those people too. it's not like it's a one-way deal. >> it was in 2012 that their daughter, jessica, was murdered along with 11 others in a movie theater in aurora, colorado.

she was 24 and an aspiring sports reporter. >> can you take me back to that day? >> yes. the young man that was with her, brent, was like a son to us. and she decided that she wanted to take him to see the batman movie. and when the shooting happened, they stood up and never made it out. >> both of them? >> brent survived. he was shot trying to save her. he went into paramedic mode immediately, because that's what he does for a living. and the phone rang. >> did he call you from inside the theater? >> yeah. and i could hear the screaming going on in the background. and he said, there's been a shooting. i said are you okay? he said i think i've been shot twice. and i knew then that, okay, something is bad. and i said, where's jessie?

and he said i tried. and i said, is she okay? and he said i did my best, i tried. and i said, oh, god, brent, don't tell me she's dead. and he said i'm really sorry. and i started screaming. >> and she was sliding down the wall screaming. i grabbed her and picked her up, took her to the couch. she kept yelling jessie's dead. >> it's been six years now, almost seven. and there's not a day goes by that we don't still get upset and still cry. >> i lost a brother to suicide and a lot of people say you're now part of a group which you never wish you would be part of. >> and it's a lifetime membership and the cost of the dues was way, way, way too high. >> sandy is 68. lonnie 75. they have been living mostly on savings, social security and

good will. >> i know that you're on a deadline. >> occasionally crashing with friends. >> how are you guys doing? >> they started a nonprofit organization called survivors empowered to offer advice and kinship in the wake of mass shootings. but also to give families practical information, like how to deal with media attention or how to get a body home for a funeral. >> it's lonnie, just checking in on you. >> there's things that happen to the families of people who have been shot in a mass killing that do not happen to families of somebody who has died under different circumstances. >> exactly. the worst part is finding out that the day your child has been killed, that there are already websites that have popped up and facebook pages that have popped up saying this is a false flag and this didn't happen. >> did you have people saying jessica wasn't real? >> oh, yeah. >> she's a crisis actor, she wasn't real, she wasn't there. >> yep. >> you didn't lose a daughter.

>> all the time. >> you never saw your sister's dead body. >> since jessica's murder, sandy's son, jordan, has been harassed and threatened by a man who like many conspiracy theorists claims there was no massacre in aurora. >> your days are numbered, mother [ bleep ]. >> it's hard to imagine but similar harassment happens to families every time there's a mass shooting. >> that's the worst kind of harm you can do to someone. you're a devastated parent becoming more devastated. >> 3:15 and 3:14, shooting at century theaters. >> after the massacre, sandy and lonnie who were gun owners themselves filed a lawsuit against companies that sold gear and ammunition to their daughter's killer over the internet. the judge threw out the case and ordered them to pay more than $200,000 to cover defendants' legal fees. >> a contract with them consulting -- >> they had to declare

bankruptcy and now consult for a gun control group to make ends meet but they say they keep that work separate. >> we don't ever bring up guns when we go. >> we never bring up politics or guns. >> we don't advocate or recruit. we don't do any of that stuff until somebody shows an interest and we tell them, you know, you're not ready yet. >> they started in newtown, then island vista, san bernardino, orlando, las vegas, parkland, pittsburgh and thousand oaks. each massacre is different but the look sandy and lonnie see on the faces of those left behind is the same. >> you just can't believe it. >> you don't want to believe it. >> annika and mitch's 17-year-old sonic las who had

just earned a swimming scholarship to college was murdered with 16 others in parkland, florida last year. >> i expect nick to come home any day. walk through the house. he was such a great kid. >> his younger brother alex who was grazed by a bullet doesn't talk much about what happened. he was in a classroom across the hall from nick's when the shooting began. their parents were nearby waiting for school to let out. >> alex called us and said, mom, i'm in the back of an ambulance. i was hit in the back of the head. in my mind i didn't worry about nicholas because there's 3,500 kids at that school. one child was shot. what's the odds of two of my kids being shot, that -- and i took off to the hospital. you can't wait for nicholas? >> we waited for nick. >> they waited for 12 hours before finally being told nicholas was dead. within days a mutual friend connected them with sandy and lonnie philips. >> do you remember that first meeting?

>> yeah, of course, they had a house full of people. we felt like we were intruding on a very private moment, which we were, but for good reason. >> i was a little skeptical in the beginning and i'm thinking to myself, what do they want from us? why are they here? after speaking to them, we lasted for three hours. >> three hours. >> three hours, yeah. >> and they took the time just to be here and just were not here for any other reason but for you guys, you're in a place that's just not of this normal life. >> when you open your house in the morning you're just like why should i get up today? why should i do that? it's so painful to feel this pain the whole day and then to meet somebody who has been through this and six years later and they are getting out of it. >> you can look at sandy and actually see a way through? >> right. >> potentially. >> right. >> what are some of the things

you -- kind of the list of things you warn a grieving parent. >> the list is, i know you don't want to get out of bed right now, but know it's going to take you a long time. number one. number two, people are ripping you off right now as we're speaking. there's probably a gofundme page somewhere raising funds for the families, and that money goes into their bank account. you know, you'll never see it. so be careful who you trust, so it's an introduction. you know, mass shooting grief 101. >> to help them keep up the phillips are trying to create a network of survivors who can quickly respond to mass shootings anywhere in the country. volunteers like shana caputo who met sandy and lonnie in 2017 after surviving the massacre at a music festival in las vegas. >> when i first met them i asked them if i could go to parkland with them because that was after vegas and she was like, no, honey, you're not ready for this

yet. >> she's telling her story and i'm listening to her and i'm going, oh, my god -- >> shana showed sandy the cell phone video she unintentionally recorded of the shooting. >> get down. >> and i'm watching the video and i'm going, this is triggering me. i can't imagine what she has really gone through. >> what was happening around you? >> people were going down right away. i could hear the bullets whizzing right past my head. you would just see them like jerk and, i don't know if i can say this, but you would see them just explode. >> the gunfire lasted more than ten minutes, 58 people were killed. for weeks afterwards shana says she was hardly able to leave her house. sandy advised her to see a therapist who specializes in severe trauma.

>> after four or five months of therapy i was like a walnut and it cracked open and i finally cried about it and i called sandy and i'm like, i cried, i was all excited. >> and i said, i'm actually very happy, now you can begin to put things together. and create the new you and now she's doing incredible work. >> so this has been growing really ever since the shooting. >> yeah. >> the work shana started last fall after the bar shooting in thousand oaks, california just miles from her house. she's now trying to help some of those survivors the way sandy and lonnie phillips helped her. >> wouldn't it be easier for you to not be immersed in the world of mass shootings? you are immersed -- >> we are. >> in a very dark -- >> we don't see it as dark. we see it as shedding a little light. we care about these people. we want to help them find their purpose and find their strength so that they can live their new

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important break. we told you about the story of the flims. mother and father whose daughter was killed in shoot shoothing in aurora, colorado. chris cuomo talked to the parents of a young man killed this week in a shooting in colorado. he joins me now. we have covered these so often. every now and then when you hear from the parents it's so important to keep the focus on on the victims and the people who is lives are changed. >> true. first if i may, few cover them

the way you do. when i was at abc your focus of not saying the names of killers and terrorists. focusing on victims and families and stories was unique. for a listening time. now we have been catching up. there's a virtue in that. because what we saw the last two weeks with riley howl. and kendrick castillo. unmitigated horror. however, those parents tonight today should have been his last day of high school. hay did their job as parents that people like me can only wonder. they put something in that kid. the moment that mattered the most in his important life. you can't defend yourself from everything from bad. you have to make more good.

have more kids like this. and it's a beautiful sentiment especially from a man in such pain. those are the stories we have to tell. you tell them as well as anyone. >> i look forward to the interview. thank you very much. chris is coming on in about seven minutes. coming up something to hopefully make you smile. champions for change returns next week. >> some people some stories. are so powerful they leave their mark. >> nobody has ever affected me the way your son did. their work creates real impact. >> by communities and country. on us all. >> meet the change makers we have never forgotten. >> what a difference seven years makes. this is the place where we jumped. >> yeah. this is the place where i live.

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