extremely afraid just to go and pray. wolf. >> and we'll have your third report tomorrow here in the situation room. sarah, excellent reporting. thanks very much. and to ou viewers thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitz ner the situation room. erin burnett outfront starts right now. >> outfront next investigating the investigators attorney general bill barr launching another investigation into the russia investigation. what for? is this just to apiece president trump? plus the fight for 2020, a new democrat in the race. one who won in trump country. could montana's governor be a serious threat. >> breaking news donald trump junior agreeing to testify before the senate intelligence committee. what changed? let's go outfront. >> and good evening, i'm erin burnett. outfront trump's wish comes true. bill barr ordering yet another investigation into how the russia probe got started. already two other investigations

had been launched. reviewing the origins of the russia probe. that includes one by the doj's own inspector general not to mention republicans conducting investigations when they controlled the house. why does barr need to launch another investigation? is he trying to please the president? >> i think it's a great thing that he did it. i saw it last night. and they want to look at how that whole hoax got started. i am so proud the our attorney general that he is looking into it. i think it's great. >> trump is it thrilled. thrilled because this is what he has called for publicly over and over again, telling politico just days ago, quote, a lot of very, very bad things took place. you know, they talk about investigate the investigators. and tweeting in all caps, investigate the investigators. but there is a problem. barr has yet to tell the american people why there is a need for yet another taxpayer funded inquiry into a topic

investigating the investigators that has been investigated multiple times. in fact, the only justification we have heard thus from the attorney general barr is this. >> i think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. i think there is a spying that did occur, yes i think spy diagnose occur. i'm not going did ph to back off the word spying. >> a proclaim shot down by intelligence professionaling including president trump hand picked fbi director. >> well, that's not the term i would use. >> pretty damning critics from wra and one the president isn't happy about. >> i didn't understand his answer because i thought the attorney general answered it perfectly. so i certainly didn't understand that answer. i thought it was a ridiculous answer. >> hmm he calls his fbi director ridiculous. perhaps barr doesn't want to end up the same way in the cross

wrars the way wrai. the pamela why is barr doing this launching another investigation into investigation? >> well that's the question tonight, erin. and president trump's wish is clearly being answered by bill barr, his attorney general, the source telling cnn the attorney general is undertaking the broad effort to investigate how the russia probe got started involving the fbi, krae and director of national intelligence. leveragings resources across the spectrum. today president trump praised the the him as we heard. he didn't ask barr to do this. while he may not have reached out directly in person, the president has consistently and publicly called on barr as recently a few weeks ago to investigate the investigators of the russia probe, inione sin eighting something sin and seer is and calling it hoax. the president makes no mention of the facts lady out in the mueller report showing russian attempts to penetrate the campaign and his own exhibitingle appointees saying the investigation was justified. but barr previously testified as you'll recall that he intended

to look into the origins of the probe even though the justice department inspector general was already investigating it. and just this week he added another layer to his investigation of the investigation investigators by tapping the u.s. attorney in connecticut, john durham to help conduct at comprehensive 360 degree review. as we saw today the president very happy about this erin. >> pamela, thank you very much. i want to go to ryan goodman, sfoeshl are former special counsel to the general counsel at the dts department of defense. appear former director of the office of legal policy rendering its opinions on issues of ethics and more. he is known attorney general bill barr 30 years ryan you're with me remote start with you. another investigation into investigation. is this necessary? >> it's hard to tell how it could be necessary, especially since we have an ongoing investigation, the inspector general who is widely respected across the political spectrum and has done great work on the 10u6r election interference and considerations about maybe some

wrongdoing on the part of the fbi why not let it run its course? there is no indication there is anything else raising it to the new level. as director wra he knew of nothing his domain suggesting anything illegal or wrong about the surveillance. >> david. >> david, we flow perfectly well what the ig has limited jurisdiction only investigate people in his own agency. that means he can't look at state department, the cia, cannot look at the nsa, the nsc. he has no ability to use the really important investigative investigative tools like putting people before a grand jury. let's forget what trump said about it whether he is happy or not that's ls of flashing lights that suggest that indeed there was a corrupt cabell of officials some career, some political who have sought to

help hillary clinton and torpedo the election for donald trump. let me finish. let me fun. >> "i" hoping i would be proven wrong. i'll be just as delighted in the mueller report came out and indicated all the suppositions about collusion and obstruction are not true. but for god sake, we should investigate to put to rest the possibility it's frankly more daunt be fog are the democrats when the russian entertains, the portion of our own government had to try to pull a silent coup did he tau. >> to be clear because i have to given what you've said write. >> this is suppositions inferences. >> it did not exonerate. >> that's not worry about mueller. >> in fact more than 8007 prosecutors from the doj said there were. that's a question to congress can look at what i'm just saying you're exonerated him it didn't. >> fine you don't agree with me on this. but under your logic the mueller investigation. >> i'm looking at the report. >> under that language j logic there shouldn't have been a mueller investigation. mueller investigation never

looked at all of their -- look forget what we call spying the first time in american history a counterintelligence investigation was launched into a. le campaign on the eve of the elections. it never happens. for normal practice in counterintelligence investigation as happened the fbi believe in diane feinstein driver was a warn diane feinstein. >> ryan let me give you a chance to responds. how unprecedented was it self by the fact there was russian attempts to infiltrate a campaign neshd have ignored it. >> i think it would have been a dereliction of duty if we didn't do what they did. they were informed by a diplomat and foreign ministry of australia which had been told by george papadopoulos. saying they had dirt on hillary clinton and they had in fact told papadopoulos that they had plan to anonymously release it. that's also in the mature report. >> yes.

>> when the diplomats in australia were alarmed by that when the documents started getting released they told our intelligence community of course they have to look into that. that was the predicate. in fact the nunes report even the nuns report says that's the predicated launching the investigation when they were told by a foreign intelligence community about the concerns. and then there were a number of people on the campaign that would raise even further concerns, like carter page. now that karere page fisa warrant is much later. they launched the investigation in july. >> right. >> so that's another part of it. but even carter page he was under fisa a warrant in two years before the campaign even began. so this is not something that was concocted. and just one other thing david said. he said the cabell. the cab alare people within the fbi. once again, the inspector general is looking into the fbi. >> no. >> why do we need people outside of that let it run its course. sessions was -- attorney general

sessionsway comfortable letting its run its course. >> two things first of all factually there are concerns that the down he were tip was actually prompted by a number of people, frankly including mr. brennan who i personally believing is at the hart of the spires who condition be investigated by the igp let's be fair if you're right then the report would come out would exand o on rate everybody. under your logic we didn't need mueller why not have horowitz investigate the russian collusion. but i repeat for purposes of trying to convince the viewers. there has never been an ins tants where a presidential campaign was subjected to a unt colorado countergestational investigates. if you papadopoulos and are the caterer page were bad people go to senior people chris christie and flynn and cut them off just like diane feinstein was told to stop using the driver. >> i don't want to relitigate this but wray and others are clear that would have been vial violated prolt kohl.

>> no i assure you that's not violating protocol. how many intelligence investigation are used to protect and inform the people who are not be being suspected >> what if you don't know mo actually is colluding or if ner colluding you don't want to go warn someone -- this is important this is the logic that the protocol. >> because you i do not know if themselves are married to trust. >> i'm not telling you i'm looking into your campaign because i dope know if you yourself are part of it. that's why they did not tell more people. >> that is not -- okay. and how is it -- that's not how things work in counterintelligence investigations. >> they say that's exactly how things work in counterintelligence investigations. >> i can assure you i know how it works in counterintelligence investigations how did the fbi warn tie dine feinstein that her driver was a chinese agent. maybe she was a chinese agent under your logic. >> what david is saying goes against what many others have ahead including christopher

wray. >> paul manafort is the chairman of the campaign. and he is working with a close business associate for a long period of time konstantin claim inic who the fbi says had active links to militarien of russia at the time. sharing polling data with the russian linked spies. >> again. >> why would you go to paul manafort to tell him. >> i did not say paul manafort. i said specifically flynn and christie. but look you and i can spend an hour going back and forth. what i will tell you let's be real. you all applauded for two yeerps an extensive and expensive mueller investigation well i suggest it could have been done by congress. >> net, net made month basted upon paul manafort's taxes. >> let's have a basic deentcy of replying the rules to this exercise. i would be happy as a patriotic american when it's proven that nothing bad happened. let's find out. instead of just saying let's not ask questions. can you marriage what conversation you had have had if

i towelled a here go ago why go through the mueller exercise nothing sure if bad things happened. >> you already are investigations into investigation. >> no. >> and there is not a single. >> and there were no. >> not a single comprehensive. >> your point doesn't hold up on that. >> there is not a single comprehensive investigation okay. the ig has a limited remit primarily looking at the fisa issues. does not look at the cia, does look look at state department, has no investigative tools under your logic mueller shouldn't have done his job. and that's not true. >> ail give you final word, ryan. >> there is an investigation pb. nobody saying don't investigate the investigators it's going on from the inspector general. jeff sessions thought that was fine. mat whitaker thought that was fine. now bafr comes in and seems to be listening exactly to the message from the white house, to open this investigation companies seems hiktle. the timing is obvious. >> thank you both very much. next trumpdown playing his trade war with china. >> we're having a little

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ton an escalating war. but trump today says the trade war with china is a mere squabble. >> we're having a little squabble with china. i think it's going to turn out extremely well. >> ironically, the president made those comments on route to a tour of new liquified natural gas facilitate in louisiana for export. a facilitate that could be crushed by the trade war because china yesterday announced raising trafrs on liquefied natural gas to 25% which is huge. because chp was on track to be the single biggest importer of american lng. outfront robert reinhart former commercial secretary under let presidenting clinton and president trump's re-elect advisory counsel. secretary how dangerous is this trade battle or squabble or whatever word you'd like to use?

>> well it's very dangerous, erin, because as everybody knows or should know, a trade war is costly to american consumers. a trafr owe tariff is like a tax. and most estimates show that american families are going to be spending anywhere from 700 to $$900 more moss of the tariffs already imposed. that doesn't include the retaliatory tariffs imposed by china on american exports. >> so steve if that lng facility wants to ship to china if this continues, they'll get a 25% trafr to do that. obviously american farmers already feel the pain. i talked to a soy peen bean farmer who somewhat he tells me. >> the the rural communities are feeling it, the skals, the down on main street, getting dire out here in rural america. >> so, bill said he is losing $657,000 on this crop alone, steve, which it's not a matter if he loses money it's a matter

how much he loses. does the president understand what americans are going through? and will be going through if this continues? >> no, i think it's precisely he does understand erin what the our country has gone through for decades because of the abusive practices of the chinese that he is willing to take these near term risks. i'll be the first to say there are clearly risks to the policy. nobody wants tariffs. but tariffs are to economic policy what miller action is to diplomacy. sometimes it's a necessary resort. and to me the far greater risk -- look- there are near-term risks to frrm farmers to energy exporters but the greater risk is maintaining the status quo which has decimated american manufacturing, which has laid waste to the american heartland and which has allowed china with our complicity to engage in wholesale plund erpd of technology and our intellectual property. >> all of which are. >> that's a situation totally

untenable. >> you have a lot of points there but what china has enabled americans to have are cheaper cars flat screen televisions wal-mart alm of the other things. a vast increase of unprecedented levels and increased in our standard of living. all at prices now nar going up. >> no you're correct. okay. the clearly goods are cheaper at wal-mart because of dh. but at what real cost longer term? and for instance, the economic fls institute which secretary riech is on the board carb shall ee merits of a left lending thing tank funded by labor you know be tells us since china was let in the wt oflt 3.4 million american jobs lost directly because of the abusive trade practices of china. >> okay. so that point, let me give you a chance, secretary to respond. the former ceo of goldman sachs lloyd blanc fine not a person supporting tariffs weighed on twitter. and he says tariffs might be

effective northbounding toil say going hurts us misses the point process china relies more on trade. as in a labor strike where management and worker get hurt the process may dominates relative strength and resolve. does he have a point tariffs might be an effective negotiating tool. >> any could be. it's a reckless and dangerous northbounding tool. to the point about china taking our technology, i think there is a very simple things that the trump administration could do and that is just say to any american business that has technology that is critical to our country, critical to national security you can't give it away to mcyou can't do business with mcif that's the condition china puts on you. in other words why impose this huge tariff tax on american consumers? why penalize the midwest and farmers and everybody else. there is a severaler way to do it. >> but you're telling them they have to miss out on the biggest market in the world. that's the problem. they're already not only the biggest tech company.

>> those big american companies are global companies. it's not as if that is american technology. it's global technology. it's being sold and bought around the world. all we would do is a very narrow focused we would say to the big global companies you're not selling that technology or give that technology is china because it's critical technology. why don't we do that? why do we have to engage in a trade war. >> so i don't know. >> that has peshl repercussions. >> steve why don't you respond because part of the problem has said china said okay if you don't share you don't get in and we have our 1.3 billion people sigh nara to you you aren't the biggest tech company, apple as an example. >> listen, i'm all for foreboding forced technology transfers from the american side. it's not either or. it should be that plus. because china has been abusing north america in in more ways that's a critical way tt what c decades again and with our complicity. in some cases with our assistance of elites in the united states, eliting of big

business. >> and benefit as i've made a point yoos our entire country and standard of living. i don't think you can leave that point out. >> there was a reason for it. >> hold on. no but at benefit at what cost, erin at what cost. at the absolute -- if you look at american manufacturing it has been decimated since china came into the wto not because we can't compete on an apples to apples bases by the way it's not that that we need to to be protected fair competition it's because they were lit in under the completely false pretenses and they cheat and steal our technology and processes and then manufacture using the slave labor using or essentially slave labor using exploited labor to then compete with us in an incredibly unfair scenario. so, again, american case compete fairly but what we can't have it is what we've had for decades which is a totally dishonest and unreciprocal trade relationship. >> thank you both very much as the war continues. next, the fight, the war for

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extraordinarily crowded 2020 field. one way is by sheer geoography. is a democrat from a deeply red republican state. >> do we love montana? do we love montana? oh, orelief them. >> in 2016 when bull okay won a tekd second term donald trump carried montanapy 20 points. the governor has been road testing that argument ever zbliens montana is not unlike iowa in some respecting. >> including at the iowa state fair. >> more than 20% of miep vote he is vetted for trump. >> the partisan lines are drawn deep ner presidential races. long before he could confront trump he has a crush of democratic rivals to contend, with. a center piece is a pledge to plimt the flood of unregulated money in politics something he did as montana's governor. >> that's why we need to defeat donald trump in 2020, and defeat the corrupt system that let's campaign money drown out the people's voice. so we can finally make good on the promise of a fair shot for

everyone. >> bull okay is 53 and said growing up in montana he never dreamed of the white house. >> look, to be honest i never thought i'd be running for president. raised by a single mom. we struggled just to get by. i only knew there was a governor house in town because i delivered newspapers to it. >> he made clear he intends to make his record as governor a pillar of his campaign. that sets him apart as an executive compared to the senators and members of congress in the race. >> i do think that washington, d.c. is kind of become a kplas place where talking about things or giving speeches is a substitute for doing. >> he acknowledges being late to the party. as he races to qualify for the first democratic debate now only six weeks waig o away. >> i hope i make the debate stage. i think everybody does. >> in a year filled with presidential announcements bull ox was decided mall with no big rally or scenic montana back drop. instead he held his first event in a science classroom at helena high school. stre stressing a political point that's already becoming

familiar. >> i was the only person to actually win in a state where donald trump won. >> now, erin that is the point that governor bull okay made again and again that he won where president trump won. of course he starts in iowa. he heads there later in the week. i'm told he will focus strategy fairly on that state trying to maki a breakout moment there in the first iowa caucuses. but he is also saying he is running against washington. that means of course many democratic senators and house members who are now his fellow presidential candidates. erin. >> jeff, thank you very much. amazing how it's late to get in now. donald trump hadn't even announced last time around by midway we are we are np up front april ryan white house on the correspondent for american urban radio networking and mark preston ore senior political analyst. bulk making a big deal as jeff said again and again a democratic governor in a state trump won by 20 points. does it make his a real contender >> it does in the sense he is a

winner. he has won before. this is the second term as governor. he has won as attorney general again in a state very conserve. his message right now is interesting because he is trying to have it both ways. i don't say that in a negative way with you he is trying to portray himself as somebody who is at fighter for progressive values. he uses that terminology a lot when talking about some of the policy proposals he pushed through as governor. trying to send the message really to i think the east coast and the west coast liberal elite that in fact he will be one of them. at the same time he is trying to have it the other way by saying he can govern in a conserve state. i don't if those match or can match but it's an interesting message to try to put forth. >> it's the big effort he is trying april. bull okay is running in the same moldenhauer lain as joe biden. when you look in the democratic primary the biden has 100% name recognition. bull okay nationally on the other end of the spectrum. can he eat away at biden's lead as he tries to get more people

to know him? >> well, you know, that remains to be seen erin. but what bull okay does have is the fact that he is not washington. the fact that he is not someone with that pedigree. he is -- with the pedigree of washington and the elite. he was raised by a single parent, grew up less than -- he didn't have what others had. he is someone who can feel everyone. he is the underdog person. so at the bottom of this, at the very core, this man could possibly eat away at the biden lead if he can get those conservatives, republicans who say, look, i -- i want someone who is new. someone who thinks like me, who may be somewhat of my ilk. he can -- he can appeal to some republicans or some conservatives. >> it's interesting, you know,

the story, mark -- well see the stories i didn't know what the governor's mansion was because i delivered newspaper is the first i heard of it. stories that can inspire and appeal to lots of people. but the far left is slamming moderating like biden and bull okay. here is congressman alexandria oxio cortes. >> i will be dammed if the same politicians refusing to act then are trying to come back today and say we need a middle of the road approach to save our lives. >> look at my record. she'll find that moeb has been more consistent about taking on the environment and a green revolution against the far left, mark. many others have chose ton could you to you instead of stand up to it. is biden proving right or making a mistake. >> first of all let me say democrat welcome to the party of dysfunction. where we see the dirty laundry

being aired out in public as we have seen the republican party under the trump administration day in and tai out but this is what has been brewing really under -- underneath everything and hasn't really come out cigarette. but now we have a young congresswoman blast the on the scene calling into question joe biden's credentials and having people back her in in -- it's going to be problematic for joe biden but not only problematic for joe biden but problematic for anybody nas cross with the left. i think we'll see the left go after the moderates. >> as they kablize themselves, i guess on some level april. trump weighed in on as many as he could here he is today. i got butt iging. beto was made por to fall like a rock. bernie. bern yes is crazy. but he has a lot more energy than biden so you never know.

350 million people and that's the best we could do. >> he went on, april to say he could pick a better democrat than anybody on the stage. ? huge field a sign of strength or weakness? >> weakness, weakness, weakness. he called out all the bs. let me say this democratic polls are showing that if indeed -- if indeed there was an election today joe biden would beat the president. and this -- there is another poll the democrats use any democrat would pete this president. so he is in a stance of weakness trying to throw a shot at all of them. and it's not working. >> all right. thank you both. and next democrats launching a new investigation into team trump. so what do they want to know this time? plus breaking news. donald trump junior agreeing to go before the richard burr committee. how do do burr as voters feel

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more on breaking news. donald trump junior agreed to testify before the senate intelligence committee after a battle with the committee's republican chairman richard burr. burr is facing criticism from his own party for doing this and

from some constituents in north carolina. jessica dean is outfront. >> i'm a guy who tries to stay out of the media. >> republican senator rich burr is well aware of the scrutiny he faces since subpoenaing donald trump junior to appear before the senate intelligence committee which burr chairs. burr facing criticism over the move from members of his own party on capitol hill. senator rand paul tweeting apparently the republican chair of the senate intel committee didn't get the memo from the majority leader that this case was closed. >> if i were donald trump junior's lawyer i would tell him you don't need to go back into this environment anymore. >> some 420 miles south in marvin, north carolina, burr's constituents are watching it all play out. >> he has no right subpoena and donald trump june wrer with all the stuff that's gone on and the investigations that have been held against donald trump. >> do you feel it changes people's of the senator or have you had always had this pan. >> i've in the had this opinion

i felt he would have expect spoeshlgted the zbloopt he could not understand his decision and couldn't support it. >> he is a good man. i voted for him. and, i mean, he is a exact with a lot of the issues that are important to me as a resident of the state as a republican. and a u.s. citizen. so -- but i think he is off on this. >> and others taking a more patient approach. >> he served and done a good job. and i don't think of him as someone that goes out there and just does things that don't make sense. >> i think i'm going to wait and see what his reasons were, why he is doing it. and wlat purpose is. >> the purpose o burr said he will not seek re-election when the current term ends. >> sources tell cnn trump junior had been engaged with talks with the senate intelligence committee since last december and had agreed to be voluntarily interviewed two occasions before backing off that's when burr issued the subpoena for his testimony, a decision drawing

ire from president trump. >> my son spent i guess over 20 hours testifying about something that mueller said was 100% okay. and now they want him to testify again. i don't know why. i have no idea idea. but it seems unfair to me. >> mueller investigated some of trump junior's activities for potential criminality. but ultimately did not bring charges. >> and senator burr has gone to great lengths not to comment publicly on all this telling reporters on capitol hill right before news of the agreement went public that he would not be commenting on anything about witness engagement. now as for donald trump junior, a source telling cnn, that he is very appreciative to those republicans who he felt went to bat for him in all this and this he looks forward to returning the favor in 2020. erin. >> jessica, thank you next the trump family inhe were sickle at the krerpt of a new investigation. what do democrats want to know? because jeanne on why beto is up

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more on breaking news. donald trump junior making a deal with the senate intel committee to testify next month. this after republican chairman richard burr issued the subpoena which trump junior refused to return voluntary. here is what we understand from a source. the interview will be two to four hours. five to six topic. two topics not off limits are trump tower moscow on the 2016 meepting with russians promising dirt and hillary clinton. a he will be asked about his testimony under oath and discrepancies appear what mueller put his in report. congressman denny heck sitting on the intelligence committee which interviewed don junior. congressman thanks for your time. now we have five to six topics, two to four hours. we don't know all the topics. that could be crucial in terms of where in goes. we do know that trump tour moscow on the trump tower meeting are on the list, issues you investigated in-depth as well. what more is there to know?

do you think don junior knows more on the issues than he shared? >> well, i don't know what it is that he said to the senate intelligence committee the first time through, erin. i think that's probably a lot of what this request is about. first let's step back and acknowledge this for what it is, which is the successful completion of a negotiated settlement to enable donald trump junior to reappear. i want to comment senator burr and warner for that matter donald trump junior for agreeing to this this. this is the which the process ought to work. i would contrast it with how it's working in the house where it's no stone wall obstruction, at every step of the way unfortunately. >> so when you look at don junior coming back as i said five to six topics. we know there are 14 investigations referred out cht mueller probe. 12 we don't know what they're about. do you think it's possible any of those involve don jurier. >> it's possible. i don't know. i think the interesting thing about the 12 investigations spun out of the mueller investigation and see we had no idea it was of

until the mueller report was issued. frankly, if you were to ask me, what surprised me the most about the mueller report, it was that there were 12 investigations spun out about which we had no knowledge. >> i would have to agree with you on that. earlier today, the president weighed in yet again on his son being subpoenaed, as of course he was, by chairman burr. here's the president. >> it's really a tough situation, because my son spent, i guess, over 20 hours testifying about something that mueller said was 100% okay. and now they want him to testify again. i don't know why. i have no idea why. but it seems very unfair to me. >> of course, mueller didn't say what the president says he said, but there were 20 hours of testimony as he says. now we've got another two to four. is that unfair? >> so, fortunately, the president is not the arbitrator

of these considerations, nor has any other president in history been the arbitrator of these considerations, regardless whether they were a democrat or a republican, a liberal or conservative. the alternative era is that we have no check and balance on the executive branch. and i'm pretty sure that's at complete odds with what our founders intended, and at complete odds with what the american public would want. >> your committee is now looking into whether trump family lawyers, including president trump's own attorney, jay sekulow, obstructed your russia probe by possibly instructing michael cohen to lie during his testimony in 2017, right, about trump tower moscow. discussions when they occurred, how far during the campaign among other things. what makes your committee believe that those lawyers would have had -- would have done that. would have had a direct role? would have told them to lie? >> well, in order to answer that question, i would have to reveal matters that took place in the interview that we are not yet prepared to reveal, but will be in time. but again, i'm going to ask the same question, erin.

what is the alternative to not continuing to explore some of these things? would that mean that we condone people lying to congress? would it mean that we condone those who encourage others to lie to congress? would it mean that we condone those that seek to invoke an inapplicable privilege, indeed, in the main, would it mean that we condone those who absolutely refuse to cooperate with the congressional investigation. and the truth of the matter is, none of us really wants any of that. >> so, when you say, obviously, you've got things you can't disclose as to why you're doing this, you're asking -- talking about whether the attorneys would have possibly instructed michael cohen to lie. but just to be clear here, though, those attorneys were attorneys for the trump family, for the president, for jared kushner, for ivanka trump, for don junior. is it fair to say lawyers don't do things not at the behest of their clients? >> so, the important legal principle to assert here, however, is that if anybody did encourage somebody to lie or to modify their testimony in a way

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literally jumped into the presidential race, he was up in arms. his arms. >> beyond a shadow of a doubt. and if you look at the climate, to get all of this done, we would be fools! >> reporter: disarming beto was not an option. >> and i think we should begin with the end. >> reporter: even when sitting with his wife -- >> the lost great hope of earth. >> reporter: his other arm kept escaping from her clutches. >> from every single one of us. >> reporter: it was almost as if he were doing sign language. even president trump tipped his hat to beto's hands. >> i think he's got a lot of hand movement. i've never seen so much hand movement. i said, is he crazy or is that just the way he acts? study it. i'm sure you'll agree. >> reporter: study it? study yourself! >> we're winning too much! it's too much! we can't stand it! >> reporter: president trump is a genius of gesticulation. >> they're not going to get their way anymore, folks.

>> reporter: but beto wouldn't take the president's bait, making fun of his arms. >> i have nothing to say to that. i think people want us to rise above the pettiness, the smallness. >> reporter: guess beto won't be going after small hands. body language expert chris ulrich compared beto -- >> almost kind of like the blow-up man you'll see at car dealerships as you'll go by. >> reporter: such motions are known as illustrators. >> it helps people focus in on you. you're more watched, you're more dynamic. people will see you more clearly as charismatic, likable. >> reporter: as long as he doesn't put someone's eye out. a fellow panelist protected herself from bernie sanders. >> all right -- >> the only way to tame beto's hands is to put something in them. be it a coffee cup or a jacket or a sweater, before taking questions, beto kept saying -- >> i am all ears. i am all ears right now. >> reporter: and here we thought you were all arms. >> by extension --

>> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn -- ♪ >> i will remember this forever. >> reporter: -- new york. >> and thank you all so much for joining us. don't forget, you can watch "outfront" anytime, anywhere, just go to cnngo. "a.c. 360" starts now. good evening. there is a lot going on tonight, including concerns we're moving toward an armed conflict with iran, something i'll talk to senator and presidential candidate bernie sanders about in a moment. but first, the president's wish granted. he's called to investigate the investigators and now it's happening. attorney general william barr has assigned the top federal prosecutor in connecticut to examine how the russia probe started in the first place. as i mentioned, this is something the president has been calling for, but this morning, he denied he had anything to do with it. >> i didn't ask him to do that. i didn't know it. i didn't know it, but i think it's a great thing that he did it. >> "i didn't ask, i didn't know

it," he says.