ingrants in arizona. who would have predicted that president trump would see that as no big deal. there's been other pardons. it does help if you have a kardashian willing to go to the white house for a photo op on your behalf. the swamp stench is strong tonight and the president and his wealthy pal can beg our pardon on the ridiculist. i want to hand it over to chris. >> in line of succession for no thr throne except the one the president just flushed. >> i'm glad you got it. >> that is a keeper line. thank you for that, anderson. hello, and welcome to primetime. so the trump administration has until tomorrow to turnover the president's taxes and tonight we have more reason to want to see them. a new window into the president's personal finances that shows very interesting

irregularities. we have two men that work hard at lifting the lid off the trump records. they're here to break down the numbers and the questions. also here the billionaire leading the charge to impeach the president. is what he calls a weakness a strength? let's test his case. and we hit 23 democrats running for potus today. let's friday adjacent. what do you say? let's get after it. it's a big number from the president. $434 million in income during his second year in office. the story is where did it come

from? this president broke precedent by maintaining his interest in the trump org increasing the need to see taxes. that income includes more than $40 million from his trump international hotel in washington d.c. it's one of the few listed interests to show any kind of real growth. >> joining me now two men that follow his number closely. trump biographer david k. johnston and co-host of the trump inc broadcast. for all the talk about how great the economy is revenue gain in short supply for the president's portfolio. david, what do you see and hear that people need to know? >> well, first of all, his income isn't 434 million. that's the revenue of his businesses. >> fair point. >> his income is likely to be only 5 or 10% of that and he shows over $300 million of lo s loans. so he's paying a lot of interest

out of his earnings. what matters on the loans is we don't know the terms of them or who the money is owed to. do they have clauses that require him to make certain ratios? is he subject to pressure for a balloon payment on any of those loans. we have no idea. >> you make the right point. stupid to confuse the two terms. couldn't be more different. revenue is about gross amount of money that comes in. income he'll claim for himself. one of the problems in putting the two together is we don't know about the llcs he has. he has like 500 of them. we don't know where he's keeping money and where he isn't and most importantly who is giving this money into the companies. where do you take it? >> i completely agree. on our podcast in january we went and stayed at the trump international hotel just to see what kind of action we could see at the president's hotel just a few blocks from the white house and the scene of all the action.

i saw a candidate for president of nigeria show up and they stayed there that night. earlier in the week the ceo of t-mobile stayed there with a bunch of people from t-mobile so the documents are interesting. they're the most complete information we have about the president's finances but what i'm aware of and what we explore a lot on the podcast and y'all should go download it please is all the unanswered questions. we don't know who is paying him. we don't know who is buying the condos. we don't know who is buying the memberships and we don't know who is staying at the hotel and getting noticed. there's 434 million opportunities to be noticed by the u.s. president in those revenue figures he's reporting. >> what is the line, david, about when it's not okay to stay at the president's hotel? >> only if you don't want a favor from him. if you want a favor, you show that you're paying tribute. you go there. you run up a big bill. the saudis took over a whole floor, if not more than one floor at one time. you buy a $60 steak and $36

cocktail and you put money in the president's pocket in a way he hears about it. >> do you think he does? he supposedly divested it. >> he goes to his hotels all the time. the only restaurant he's been to in washington d.c. is the one inside his hotel. so he does keep a close eye on the place. >> so what do you need to know? oh this president is really wealthy. it's good enough for me. stop going after him about it. what are your questions? >> first and foremost who is paying him but beyond that, no president has ever had a financial disclosure that looks anything like this. most previous office holders have put net revenue and not gross roevenue. so we don't know if he's making money or losing money here. >> key distinction. >> after you pay everything that you owe.

>> he's feeling pressures you probably don't want an american president to be feeling. let's keep in mind he has been donating his salary to the government and that sounds like a good and generous thing from a rich man but he also in the two plus years he's been president he took somewhere between 40 and 125 million dollars from his trust and put it in his own personal account. he has been drawing tens or more into his personal account. >> why do i care? if it's his money why do i care? >> for lots of reasons about leverage and influence over him but also donald has a long history of having financial houses of cards. currently has three leins on the

washington hotel. that's a lot of of money for a hotel that's been open 2.5 years. why hasn't he paid those bills? maybe he doesn't have the cash to do it? maybe something else is going on but those are indicative of the way donald does business. not paying people what he has agreed to pay them and one of his witnesses testified in the country club case why didn't trump pay the full bill? mr. trump feels he has paid enough. that's the way he does business. you make a deal with him. i think this week i'll give you three days of your pay, chris and that's all i think you're worth this week. >> where do you think this goes from here? >> i'm not a lawyer and it's hard to say but i would remind

the viewers at home during the campaign then candidate trump said he did intend to release his tax returns as soon as the audit of his returns was over. we have not confirmed there is an audit but let's give him the benefit of the doubt. we're 2 plus years into this presidency. every other president has released details of their financials. we never had a president before that has so many of these unanswered questions and we know from congress that they are going to fight tooth and nail to get the tax returns. we'll see if we get them and learn something more. >> it's one easy thing that could happen. do you know what the treasury secretary should do at a minimum? comply with the subpoena of course. give us proof from the irs that this president has been under audit. we know they're supposed to audit presidents and vice presidents. that should be easy to satisfy as a request. what years are under audit? release that information. prove something about this. david k. johnston, thank you very much. it's good to have you on.

people should take a look at your podcast and i hope to have you back again. >> thank you so much. >> any of you see the president's roll out today? his immigration plan. why am i putting it in quotes? you'll see. facts matter and they were abused by this potus again. our fact checking fphenom with new list of whoppers, next. ♪

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>> our plan includes a sweeping modernization of our dysfunctional legal immigration process. >> bigly on the sell. go bigly on the sell. that's what the president did today. this time what's it about? a new immigration plan. revamping the entire system. let's play a game which is not a game at all. washington bureau chief for the toronto star. always a pleasure. calls it a plan. is it? we have nothing to suggest he has a plan. we have no legislation and no time line for the introduction of legislation. we have no frame work.

all reporters received was four pages of elementary school graphics outlining basics about what may be to come. so the president is trying to sound large and in charge by talking repeatedly about his plan but we don't have one yet. >> under the category of what. i think that's a first for us. well done, sir. >> currently, 66% of legal immigrants come here and are admitted solely because they have a relative in the united states and it doesn't really matter who that relative is. >> his number was correct. about 2-thirds of people do come through the family based system but it very much matters how the relative is. as a green card holder you can only responsponsor your spouse

young child. contrary to his suggestions you can't bring in your cousin and aunt and uncle and grandparents. there is a chain process where the people you bring in can bring in people on their own but because of how long the chain process takes you don't often get at least from many countries to the distant relatives. so who they are and their relationships do matter a lot. >> maybe he shaded it that way because he has to be careful going after family reunification. because that's how his inlaws got her. next one, his plan can't be good. it has to be that the democrats stink. here's his take on that and their plan. >> democrats are proposing open boarders, lower wages and frankly, lawless chaos. >> any of that verifiable. >> some of it is arguably political rhetoric that you can't fact check but i don't know how many times i have come

on this show to talk about democrats supporting open boarders. democrats, at least the ones with any power in congress and governships do not support unrestricted migration. they do not support his wall and probably want a different deportation policy. this is not the same thing as open boarders. >> the one thing he had right was the time you needed to consider it. there's nothing to it. you'd have to take no more than that amount of time to process what's there so far. thank you for keeping the truth and the facts straight for the audience. so the house speaker nancy pelosi says that plan, if you want to call it that is dead on arrival. why? there's not a mention of the

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access netflix, prime video, youtube and more, all with the sound of your voice. click, call or visit a store today. let's try to have a conversation about what's motivating this president's plan. let's just call it a plan. people are saying it's just a bunch of points and republicans are saying it's too much of an accommodation and lindsey graham says my plan is better. i think he's right by the way, but how does any of this help the emergency going on on the border. let's discuss this. two great guys to do it.

let's just start with pure basic political reality. if you don't have great buy in on the right and you don't have buy in on the left, why do this this way right now? >> well, this is the attempt to try to bridge. there are folks on the right and myself included and look at the president's plan and say there's no reduction in the number of legal immigrants. that's been standard for the president from the very beginning but that's a concession and it's saying look, i'm willing to have more immigration in this country if we focus it on strengthening the economy and doing things to really help improve the overall economic picture for all americans i saw this as an olive branch. >> there's no dreamers in it. >> he's talking about reforming the legal immigration system. not dealing with so much with

people that are already in this country. this is really focused more on how we should look forward at bringing and reshaping the legal immigration process. >> but he knew it had to be in there for something to be on the table with them. >> it's always been on the table. >> it's whether you believe a comprehensive solution is possible or whether we take it in pieces. >> i don't. >> this is neither fish nor foul then. this is my point about it. that's the political calculus. all right. i have no problem. nobody should have a problem with somebody trying something but you have a situation on the border right now that justified the president making an emergency declaration but he only dealt with the fence, right? don't take it from me because i know how you guys feel about it, listen to lindsey graham. listen to what lindsey graham said. >> a wall will not fix this.

people are trying to be captured. people not trying to avoid an agent. they literally ask where are the border patrol agents to turn themselves in. >> in fairness he had a plan he worked hard on that this is going to overshadow but still i'm not saying we don't need physical barriers. this situation needs things. why do it now instead of dealing with the emergency? >> part of it does deal with the emergency. they deal with the asylum piece where we have backlogs we haven't seen since the early part of the clinton administration and unlike the early part of the clinton administration we have a family issue that's driving a lot of that. >> crushing us. >> and the president did speak to what do you do with people turning themselves into border patrol agents and immediately

seeking asylum and the president spoke to that by changing the standard that border patrol agents get to apply in terms of who gets to the second round and who guest past them. >> he's going to have a problem with that. that's a huge element. >> well, not really. there's two -- there's two reasons this is really beneficial. one, obviously speed. but two, once you actually apply it you deter other people from using the same pipeline. >> if you return them. >> if you return them. that sends a bigger message than even a wall that they're coming back and people say well it's not worth it because what we were told isn't true.

>> fine score points on that. i was never in that bags ket. i always knew it was there because i have been there so often and talked to these people so often. they have needs of building accommodations and having more judges and more caseworkers and more medical officers. and i don't understand a lack of emergency declaration. >> can i jump in here? last night you challenged me to talk. i suggested this morning as you know i did and we talked about this issue and he shared the success they have been having. make sure that they know that we asked congress for $800 million for deal with exactly what you were just describing, the humanitarian element. >> they got jipped. >> they got half of it and then the same people complain about the humanitarian problem and how

they're not dealing with the housing of the families. >> i agree. >> and there's only so much money available through the declaration. >> i don't like that either. shame on both houses for you guys because you're not dealing. you say you care and you don't care. in fact, let's be honest. they're not even saying they care enough anymore. back in 2014 with the obama administration and unaccompanied minors everybody ran down there. with the first role of people coming through here, all the democrats ran down there and now they don't even go. you have little pockets of people that go. i was all alone last time i was at the border. so the compassion fatigue is real. but let's end it with where we started. what happens to get the help, rick, that they need right now? yes ken is right. dhs is working with dod trying to get more accommodations but it hasn't happened yet. the emergency declaration can help things happen faster.

why doesn't the president use it and wind up cutting off the an mouse. >> it's shocking to hear you say well the president should act on his own without the congressional approval and spend money in a way -- well, yeah, he has and i'm sure he can do more but as the president said and we all knew, there's a limit as to what you can do. >> but he can do it. >> he can take some of the money. >> but the reality is, as ken said, this is money congress should be appropriating. >> but they won't do it and that's why he did the emergency thing for the fence. why not do it for this that's real. >> if you and i can agree on this, i can't imagine why democrats and republicans can't come together and agree on this

too. >> the president defined a brown menace all about drugs and terror and people coming to rape and kill us. >> yeah, everybody realizes. >> but it's about kids and families. >> taking care of them. >> not about guys with bags full of fentanyl on their back. that was an exaggerated issue. >> they're in there. >> they're in there but they're not the majority that he painted it as a picture. >> they were never the majority. >> i know that. anybody that knows the facts knew that but he said it was a pence as a panacea and it wasn't. so why not do what needs to be done? >> no one ever said a barrier was the silver bullet. >> he did. >> the president never said this will solve everything. >> always that more people violated to end up here. >> he never said that. >> ken, you're 100% right. >> he never said it was a silver

bullet. >> he never said the word silver bullet but he has never mentioned visa overstays. he never mentioned the fact that you get more drugs into ports of entry than through the open spaces he wants to put physical barriers across and we all know it but congress could also fix this and they could do it not in 20 minutes but in 20 minutes they could decide to do something and at least come to the table. ken, rick, thank you for having the conversation. appreciate it. best to both of you. all right. so next guest wants the president to be impeached and he has been putting up his own money and a lot of it to try to make that happen but now a shift. you know his name but now he has a new ad targeting democrats. what's his case? let's test it. next.

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>> and when he showed obstruction of justice. >> nothing happened. >> he is defying you. >> he's laughing at you. >> and he's getting away with it. >> but congress is part of the system and the system is broken. >> the man behind the commercial you saw him at the end and now we welcome him to primetime. thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> convince me. why should they try to impeach this president? >> what we're asking for is televised hearings with a series of them in front of the american people so we can all see what the most corrupt president in american history has done. if you're going to have a system of laws then the president cannot be above the law. he has to be part of that system and subject to that system and if we don do that we have to understand that we have really abandoned the basis of our democracy and the basis of our whole system.

>> i understand the point, however couldn't that be satisfied by oversight and having the hearings they want to hold except for this administration fighting back against the subpoenas and that's going to be another legal fight in and of itself. why isn't the oversight hearing process enough for you? >> chris, as long as this president knows there's no ramification to doing the wrong thing it will just encourage him to do more of the wrong thing. if you're saying we'll expose you but there will be no consequences for obstruction of justice and corruption, this president will be even more corrupt. everything we have seen will be worse. >> i get your concern but this is a practicality at the end of the day. the better already knows there's not the votes to remove him. so it's already been received.

>> if you'll excuse my saying so i would disagree. >> how so? >> in my mind the most important power in our democracy is the opinion of the american people. >> true. >> that's always been true and it's true today and i think if we had a series of televised hearings like michael cohen, like brett kavanaugh, the american people would be riveted, they would absolutely pay attention and i have gone around this country and done over 50 town halls. what i know is americans of both parties, democrats, republicans, independents are highly moral and very decent. they believe in our system and i believe they would be revolted by the behavior of this president and this administration. >> why doesn't your opinion shaped by the polling we already have that people feel either congress has gone after the president either too much already or they don't favor

impeachment? >> there's a lot of different polls out there. >> they have over 50% of americans think he has broken the law while he's been president. >> disagreement is what the show is about. disagreement with decency. so never apologize for disagreeing. make your point. >> my mother would be proud of me, the hearings themselves will change the polls. the idea that polls are fixed in cement is entirely wrong. what we're saying is this, the american people relate through tv and through stories and through human conflict and human emotion. if they see them get up and explain what's happened they're going to be riveted and it's going to change the polls. we have a very simple question

here. we have a president that's disdainful of democracy and the congress in every single way and refused to cooperate or listen to them in anyway and respond to their subpoenas and he's also not just obstruction of justice which the mueller report details but it's also corruption. this is a president that today reported he made $479 million last year. >> revenue. >> but it's not right. the american people know it. we have 8 million people that signed our petition. the vast majority of americans know this isn't right and if we put it on tv and let the american people judge. look, we believe in the opinions and compassion and bravery and good sense of americans. give us a chance to see the truth and make up our minds and what you'll see is the people in washington follow the american

people. >> you get a big amen from me. what i'm saying is, if you look at the exit polls of why they came out the way they did in '18 which is part of the premise of your add, the idea of where this was, they weren't lying when they said it was health care. this mueller report/russia/whatever wasn't in the top four. >> can i interrupt you for one second? >> yes but since then the report has come out and said no crimes. >> well, actually that isn't what the mueller report said. >> on the first count. on obstruction -- >> what we have said all along is that there are two things going on here in plain sight. one is obstruction of justice and one is corruption but let me talk about health care. i know that everybody in washington d.c. loves to say that 2018 was about health care

and all of a sudden americans were concerned about health care. that's not true. what americans were concerned about was that this president and his congress tried to take it away. i can't tell you how many times people would stand up and say i wouldn't be here at this town hall if they had gotten rid of the aca because i'd be dead. >> you keep thinking it's about health care, if you're excuse my saying so, chris. what is going on is we have a president that is a rogue that is corrupt and who is attacking the american people. that's why the turn out went up so much. in 2014, the last midterm election, 37% of americans turned out. >> right. >> in 2018, 57%. >> almost never seen anything like it. >> the turn out by democrats went up by 2-thirds from 35 million to 59 million. they digit turn out 2-thirds

because he suddenly discovered they needed a doctor. they turned out 2-thirds more because they understood that they were at risk that this president is a rogue. that he's attacking their interest and they were scared. they were scared for their health care. they were scared for the future and i can tell you from our 50 town halls they were scared for our democracy. they knew especially vets that sacrificed the most for the country were very concerned and are concerned that he's taking away the democracy they went to work for. >> i hear you and i get what you're saying. it leads you back to the same source that they're afraid about him and what you see as his corrupt instincts but the democrats are worried about this. your add is going to make an impact and i welcome you to come back as we see the next step in the process. i want your take on it.

and whether it's getting them to the place they need to be. >> we may not have time now but i never understood how it can be bad for democrats to stand up for what's right and show this president is a straight up crook. i don't know why that's good for this president and bad for democrats. why don't we stick to our guns and stick to what we believe in and do what's right. >> i don't disagree with you as a principle. it's what they see as the plus and minus on it. come back on and let's continue the conversation. >> thank you very much. you can welcome back. >> nearly two dozen now, how do they best position themselves and the crowded field now is going to be part of the calculus. we have now hit a historic number with the entrance of this man, the mayor of new york city. look, it's good to have a lot of people willing to run but how

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>> he isn't even in positive territory in his own city with people wanting him to run. the new york jets have more support and that is a low bar. yes anything can happen and trump was also laughed at early on but at least half of this field is seen as having no path to the nomination, and while there is a benefit to diverse voices and competing ideas, the goal is to win. so the question is whether making history for the most people in the primary may attribute to them making history or losing to one of the most divisive presidents in modern

history. he is killing it in the polls right now. the party has to figure out what it is about and who it is about. one of the biggest criticisms of this president is a criticism of his administration. how they govern. complaints that his cabinet isn't not only not the best it's almost none of the best and mostly the rest. what if this group of democrats were to put the we before the me and after this first phase of everybody trying to figure out who is better than whom and rising to the top and changing the current polls, what about after that when they go into the convention and all organize themselves into a slate. a truly renighted front. voters are also picking an attorney general, secretary of defense, treasury secretary,

whatever they can fill out in a responsible way. they still have to be confirmed but you'd at least have people vetted in a real way over time with media access. you may think this is farfetched and it is and they settle for secretary of interior or whatever but we have seen hints of it already. corey booker's deputy campaign manager donated to gillibrand to help make it to the debate stage. . 23 democrats want to be president. only one's going to get the nomination, they're going to up against an incumbent with die hard supporters. the democrats goal is to take the white house. they have time but it has to be well spent. they need a real consensus. the question is, is this party and these people here about a

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last year don lemon told us about oliver scholars, a program that helps underserved kids succeed at top schools. in tonight's champions or change john checks in on a grad that's now attending middlebury college. >> why did i choose oliver scholars again? when i looked around and thought of all the stories i'd done there is nothing that personified a champion for change than this program. oliver scholars helps young

people mostly in the new york area, mostly black and latino students who come from struggling communities who are good students. it helps -- there's been so much change. number one the kids i got to interview are going to these great schools and they're doing very well. that's exciting. number two, i got involved in the program. and number three, they have a new leader. >> i am an oliver scholar in my own way. so i didn't have the benefit of this organization. but i went to an independent school here in new york city so i have a very similar trajectory with that of our alumni. >> immediately you saw the importance of a program, really, like oliver scholars. >> absolutely. i think it's a really special journey. so once a student is admitted to oliver scholars there's a

14-month scholar immersion program that in many ways is an academic and personal boot camp, if you will, it's a big climb but our students are always up to the task. >> oliver scholars are -- >> scholarship, leadership and service. >> i see myself as more of a scholarship. >> i work really hard in order to achieve my goals. >> the most i identify with is leadership. oliver has boosted my confidence a lot. >> and service. it's always good to give. >> i just really love helping people out. >> i graduated from oliver scholars in spring of 2018. coming from public middle school you're not necessarily ready academically for the level of rigorous classes that you will take at high school so a lot of the classes that i took at oliver scholars prepared me for them. every class has a counselor and a tutor supervising the students. >> one of the things that the staff would say distinguishes this organization is how deeply

involved we stay with our students. we are the connective tissue that connects educational opportunity with professional opportunities. but i think our school partners understand their students and their school communities benefit from the diversity that oliver brings to their campuses. >> this has been a big year for you. >> haley is at middlebury finishing up her first year. she had a little bit of trouble but instead of isolating herself, she opened up her world. >> it was the culture shock that got me. it was a little hard at first, definitely some big adjustments to make, living by myself, being in rural vermont, versus new york city, making new friends. >> so you felt isolated? >> a little bit. then i got used to it, i started looking on campus more, started doing more activities.

joined softball team, having a lot of activities to do on campus made me feel better and more connected to middlebury college. >> do you think you'd be in college at all if it were not for oliver scholars is this. >> i think i would be at college i just wouldn't have put the schools that i did on my list because i wouldn't have thought that they were in my reach. i would have definitely set the barlower if i didn't have oliver. >> when i saw her again i was surprised at her maturity and how confident and comfortable she seemed in herself. before she was wide eyes, now she seems like, okay, this was tough, this was challenging. but i can do this. >> as my mentor used to tell me, you'll be all right. >> i hope so. >> i wanted to join the oliver scholars board and have some influence on scholars because of people like sue haiti, kids from underserved communities many times only need someone just to give them the chance and if they

belong to a program like oliver scholars i think it opens up the world to them. >> i am grateful that our hard work is recognized and that other people beyond the oliver scholars staff see what we can do and what we can accomplish later on in life. >> let's bring in d. lemon. also, we need to remind everybody, saturday at 8:00 p.m. eastern for a champions for change special, saturday, 8:00 p.m., you get to see all the pieces, all at once here on cnn. >> great pieces. >> d. lemon, what a beautiful thing you did there by joining the board, what a great program. >> i didn't do it. well, thank you. and listen, we have so little time, right, two hours of tv. you do an hour, radio. so little time, i actually called them up, chris, and said this program is amazing after i did the original story and spoke at one of their fundraisers and got to meet the kids. this is so amazing i want to be a part of this and they said, yeah, we'll take you on. whatever i can be,