t switch to unlimited. get $250 back when you buy a new samsung galaxy. call, visit or click today. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king, thank you for sharing your day with us. attorney general william barr is investigating the origins of the russia investigation, but he, again, uses the word spy and suggests the fbi had its thumb on the scale. the boss is happy. plus, a new court ruling filing raises new questions about white house efforts to get the president's former national security adviser to stop cooperating with the special counsel and an intriguing nugget that someone in congress also tried to get michael flynn to bite his tongue. and the 2020 campaign trail is crowded today. bernie sanders begins a southern swing this hour. new poll numbers show he's

struggling to match his 2016 clout. in the new entry steve hoping it's not too late to make friends and supporters in iowa. >> i've seen delaney, i've seen amy klobuchar and corey booker and i can tell you who else i've seen. >> so many you have to look at your list. >> i've seen beto o'rourke. we begin the hour with attorney general and a remarkable interview in which he makes clear keeping the boss happy, forgive me, trump is waiting for all the facts to come in. we know the tv's on air force one were tuned in to fox news today as he investigates the origins of the russia investigation. >> i think people have to find out what the government was doing during that period. if we are worried about foreign influence for the very same reason we should be worried about whether government

officials abuse their power and put their thumb on the scale. and, so, i'm not saying that happened. but i'm saying that we have to look at that. >> the attorney general is correct. making sure the 2016 probe of russian links to the trump campaign was done by the books is critically important. but a lawyer as smart as barr is and in as sensitive a position as barr is knows how to choose neutral words. instead he channels his boss with words like abuse of power, thumb on the scale and even as he says the fact finding is no where near done. the president this morning tweeting he was, quote, conclusively spied on. his attorney general, again, using the word spy in a separate interview with the "wall street journal." the crossover is noteworthy and barr says his fact finding is in its early stages, but does not hesitate to share his questions about the intelligence chiefs who led the early investigation and who looped president-elect trump back in early january

2017. >> between election day and the inauguration, did any one in government or intelligence take action to justify their decisions? >> between election day, did you say? >> between election day of 2016 in november. and inauguration day. >> i think there were some very strange developments during that period. that is one of the things we want to look in to. >> such as? >> such as the handling of the meeting on january 6th between the intelligence chiefs and the president and the leaking of information subsequent to that meeting. >> was that meeting in new york city? >> yes. >> in trump tower? >> yes. >> cnn live from the justice department. correct me, please, if i'm wrong. i would love to be wrong on this. the attorney general is saying we're starting this investigation and i'm no where near done yet and keeps channeling the words of the president of the united states. that's unusual. >> yeah, unusual, indeed. unusual to have the attorney general talking about an ongoing

investigation in the first place. he says on facts that this leaked out, but he confirms all of our reporting and suggests that this u.s. attorney now in conjunction with the fbi and cia are all reviewing how the russia investigation got started and surveillance issues surrounding the trump campaign. john, he says somewhat incredibly that even though he is the attorney general of the united states, he can't get the answers that he needs probably it seems like from his own team. he says things aren't just hanging together. he says people make a lot of assumptions about what happened, how this probe all got started and it's not all fitting together for him and we've also heard him echo his boss today and the president's allies talking about some unusual situations regarding that opposition research compiled by the former british intelligence officer, christopher seal saying he wants to look into that because it's just strange. a strange development. not explaining what he thinks was a miss. not even explaining the fact

that rod rosenstein the former deputy attorney general actually signed off on one of the renewals used in order to monitor that former trump campaign aide carter page. but the attorney general saying he thinks something is amiss here, not exactly explaining what he thinks that does, but sympathetic to the fact that the president is calling it a witch-hunt. john? >> laura jarrett, appreciate it. thank you. margaret with bloomberg and michael bender of "wall street journal." to the point that laura jarrett just finished on. the attorney general is supposed to be the country's lawyer, the america's lawyer. set the names aside, any new attorney general would want to go back and check the boxes. was this done right? was this done by the books? listen here as laura just noted. the president, witch-hunt. remember how the president used witch-hunt. pa in the case of jeff sessions is

a and bill barr says i'm fine with that. >> are you comfortable using those words? witch-hunt, hoax. >> i use what words i use and it was an investigation. i think if i was falsely accused, i would be comfortable saying it was a witch-hunt. >> very smart lawyer. very accomplished loy eed lawy. he knows if you read the back half of the mueller report, bill barr made the determination, but a lot of information about the president in there. embracing witch-hunt is he sending a signal what the president did to disparage them for years, two years. >> it is really extraordinary to have the attorney general make such statements and also statements that are echoing the president. it feeds into the democrats' criticism that he is acting as a president's lawyer and not the lawyer for the united states. i mean, witch-hunts but embracing that he was falsely accused. he did that when he was testifying before congress, as

well. an attorney general is supposed to back up an investigation. you know, if there's evidence or suspicions that you would support looking into an investigation and the conclusion was the conclusion. there was, you know, no evidence that a crime of conspiracy existed. but, you know, he's kind of leap frogging that and forgetting that and now backing up the department by saying adopting the president's words here. and that is really shocking for the attorney general. >> again, if they went off the rails at the beginning and broke rules and broke laws and did things that were unethical or wrong, lay it out. if you want democrats and independents to believe that and you're the attorney general of the united states, don't you have to stop channeling the words of the president of the united states if at the end you want credibility in those findings? >> that is a really good point. and you can see barr what he's saying is leading the coverage exactly down that road. that interview opened up with a question of what he was looking at. and barr explained kind of what you said that he wants to see if

government officials were putting their finger on the scale. in itself, you know, that phrase alone is a worthwhile pursuit. but the way he said it and the way he described it. the next question from fox was, this appears to run very deep. and the attorney general did nothing to rein that back in and instead fed into that. i can tell you inside the white house, it that interview is being cheered this morning. how articulate mr. barr was and how he channeled the white house and the language that he used is, i mean, variable cheering inside the white house. >> he is attorney general now. he was attorney general during the george h.w. bush generation he knee knows what he was sayi. a presidential campaign was investigated and we will go back to day one and ask if everything was done by the book. ask me when we're done. we're not jumping to any conclusions. i'll get back to you when we're

done. >> he can also choose not to comment, as most people do, when there is an investigation ongoing. notable to see the shift in his rhetoric from confirmation hearing to when he was confirmed. he was very complimentary of bob mueller and the mueller and the barrs are very good friends as he said in his testify and shifted his rhetoric since then and even tried to paint the president in a very favorable light before the release of the mueller report when he did that press conference to lay out the findings before anyone saw the report. he said that the president had every right to be concerned about this investigation. so, even though the report showed very significant allegations and revelations about the president's conduct and tried to thwart the investigation that could potentially be obstruction of justice. so, you've seen the shift in the rhetoric and the way he handled his job and, obviously, the president likes it. >> sorry. >> i was going to say, one of the president's favorite things to do on air force one is to

watch tv and one of his favorite places to watch tv is air force one and the cabin is nice and two things to absorb on his way back from new york today. one is concerns about michael flynn and all of that and on kind of the other end of the rainbow was barr's public signaling. i think when you're attorney the general and you speak in public at all, particularly in an interview, you're messaging to someone. in this case, he is messaging to the president. he is saying what he appears to be saying is, i am your attorney general. give me some running room to conduct these things. rights now this is rhetorical. we don't know what he's going to find or not find and how he is going to pursue that. but with this president at this time in his presidency, the rhetoric matters. it creates the space for him to pursue all sorts of policies that so far line-up to pushing back congress, forcing tests to the courts, challenging the norms, doing things his way. and at this moment in time, barr is giving him running room. >> not just the russia investigation, it comes at a

time when if you're a democrat, you're looking for some cooperation. the democrats might be overreaching in some of these, absolutely. if you're trying to get some of these documents and go and say. the democrats think he misled them, some say lie, when during some questions he was asked about the concerns of mueller's team when he did know about them. he received a letter and had a phone conversation with the special counsel and bill barr said, i don't know what they're talking about. speaker pelosi said he lied. here's the attorney general's response. >> nancy pelosi believes you lied under oath? what do you think of that charge? >> i think it's a laughable charge and largely being made to discredit me partly because they may be concerned about the outcome of a review of what happened during the election. but, obviously, you can look at the face of my testimony and see on its face that there was nothing inaccurate about it. >> again, he sneaks it in there.

in the middle of that answer. he could answer, look, i didn't lie. if they misunderstood my answer, but i am confident i told the truth. he sneaks it in, again. concern of the review of the outcome of the election. >> he is probably not happy that the house judiciary committee voted to hold him in contempt and the full house is likely to do that in the coming weeks and we don't have the answer to whether or not bob mueller disputes what bill barr said in his testimony about that phone call. >> when we wiill we get that? lindsey graham sent a letter asking if bob mueller wanted to dispute that. we don't know if bob mueller will testify before the house judiciary committee or when. probably will not happen next week which means it will not happen until june at the earliest. if he continues to push this narrative, he will be the only one making that argument. >> if the special counsel is not going to testify for weeks, the longer you have the press aiden

and the attorney general out there saying these things, what is actually in the mueller report becomes the public narrative. okay. well, next for us, we move on. margaret just mentioned it, new information from the michael flynn case raises new questions about interactions between the trump campaign and wikileaks. it turns out, they want me to start next month. she can stay with you to finish her senior year. things will be tight but, we can make this work. ♪

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lawyers laid out evidence that flynn gave to the government that includes something we should have paid more attention to earlier. a voicemail detailed in the mueller report from one of the president's attorneys giving flynn a not so subtle push to not cooperate. flynn indicated someone connected to the trump administration or congress tried to persuade him to keep quiet. there's also this. new and surprising disclosure from prosecutors. told conversations they had about wikileaks. only a select few people were privy from the filing. the defendant recalled conversations with senior campaign fl os after the release of the podesta e-mails. evan perez joins our conversation. what is the most significant new thing we're learning here about the deep, deeper than we knew, extent of flynn's cooperation? >> the thing that you mentioned

right there which was the way that essentially flynn gave the special counsel an inside look at what was going on inside the transition, inside the campaign. you know, with the president and all of these discussions that were ongoing about essentially reaching out to wikileaks to try to see if they could encourage the help that they were trying to get from the russians. again, some of this was reflected in volume one of the mueller report and a lot of the attention immediately went to volume two. the obstruction part. but i think a lot of us should go back and read volume one. the picture that is drawn there is one of a campaign that was clearly encouraging help from a hostile foreign power and that should not get lost on people. >> that case is closed. don't you listen to the republicans on capitol hill? >> right. the thing is, if that's okay, then 2020, you know, everybody should be doing that, right? >> that is one of the things.

again, that is on the chapter one, which is dealings with a foreign government. bob mueller said he could not prove a criminal case so republicans say, we're done. no collusion. a lot of conduct you want to explore publicly. don't try to look backwards, look this way. should we agree in principle and then you come to the other part. here's a voicemail left for michael flynn from the president's personal counsel on november 22nd, 2017. it wouldn't surprise me if you go on to make a deal with the government. if there's information thatti implicates -- hello. hello, that's the attorney for the president, hey, we love you, michael. you don't want to implicate anybody here. >> concerns raised about potential obstruction of

justice. why did bob mueller make a decision on obstruction of justs and as he looks at the full pattern of activities by this president and fuel calls on capitol hill by democrats for the underlying evidence. the justice department said it would not provide that information to congress and democrats have been fighting to get that, but they're saying, look, this came out after the mueller report. this was not reflected in the mueller report. what else is in there? that is going to be part of their argument and we'll see what this says. the judge said to release it in two weeks time. >> the president tweeting today. he sees this in the news and doesn't like it. general flynn was under investigation long before it was common knowledge. it would have been impossible for me to know this. with me becoming one of the two people to become president, why was i not told so i could make a change? some of our own reporting, president barack obama warned donald j. trump against hiring

michael flynn when he met with his successor in the oval office two days after the election. now, maybe they didn't say the former president and chris christie of the transition team didn't want to hire michael flynn because chris christie knows people in the law enforcement and national security who told him to stay away from this guy. >> just that doesn't make any sense. president trump knew as much as he needed to and wanted to know about michael flynn and talked with him anyway. this is so in the weeds. if you were a regular voter thinking about the economy or whatever, it is hard to engage and drill down on michael flynn if you're already sick of the mueller probe and the president is counting on this. this now moves to congress and up to democrats to try to figure out if and how to talk about it and, if not, decided by the election. >> we hope voters care about the honesty and integrity of public officials and that congress would oversee the executive branch. wouldn't that come into play some times?

>> this certainly should put more pressure on democrats to take action on the big picture because inside the white house, they are viewing anything that comes out more about the underlying evidence or any of these flynn transcripts. mueller had all this. it is in volume one. all sitting there for us, for the public, for the democrats in charge of the house to weigh in on. >> when we come back, we go to the 2020 campaign. if you're kamala harris or kirsten gillibrand and if you're bernie sanders and you look at the poll numbers, do you have a problem?

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2020 campaign and bernie sanders live pictures here from asheville, south carolina and georgia tomorrow. and sunday senator sanders visits alabama. but should he be worried? let's take a look at the numbers. this is a new fox news poll and a national poll of the race. senator sanders in second place and that's a big lead for joe biden. second place is not bad, right? senator sanders is going in the wrong direction and the frontrunner moving up. not good if you're bernie sanders, especially let's go back and you take here. remember, he has run before. pennsylvania, new hampshire,

california. again, if you're any of the other candidates, you would love those numbers. but if you're bernie sanders and you did better, is this a sign of trouble? is the more crowded race and the fact that you're now a no name, should you be worried about this? we'll talk about that in a second. one thing in senator sanders' credit, he has the president's attention. >> i'm looking at the competition. bernie's crazy. bern bernie's crazy. but bernie has a lot more energy than biden, so you never know. bernie has a lot of energy. but it's energy to get rid of your jobs. he's got the opposite energy that you produce. not good energy. you don't like his energy. >> lisa with "new york times" joins our conversation. nine months until anybody votes and it's early in the race if you're any other candidate,

you'd love to have his numbers. given that he did run before, should he be nervous that he seems stuck in the teens? >> i think what he should be worried about is elizabeth warren's gain. it is not a surge. a surge requires a lot. gaining a lot of points, but she has been creeping up in the polls and she is his biggest rival for his piece of the democratic base. that sort of left-wing part of the party. so, i think it's, obviously, nobody wants to see their numbers falling even as you point out we are nine months out. the is the rise in her numbers that are concerning some people in sanders land. >> just to go back a little bit in history. this was the time in the race in the last cycle where sanders starts to take off if you look at these numbers here. in may, he was at 13% in 2015 and by june up to 35%. that was essentially a two-person race. a couple other candidates back in the race back then. if you look at this now where this plays out, if you go back in time another one here. joe biden, bernie sanders,

elizabeth warren, minus six at this point now. biden did end up running and sanders waw stas starting to mo. >> such a different race compared to 2016. back then he was the insurgent upstart candidate and contrast was so significant with hillary clinton. he was rallying on a lot of the issues she had not and so many candidates had the similar position bernie sanders does. support some sort of version for medicare for all and the richest people in this country and billionairs and the like. they have co-opted his message and he is no longer that candidate and he is the frontrunner and that is a challenge for him. he is having a hard time figuring out what it is like to be in that position. >> interesting that there is no really upstart, insurgent candidate. no one has taken that in the democratic primary.

i think for bernie the thing that has to be really concerning is the pull out last week showing him so far behind in new hampshire. just basically his backyard and one of the only primaries that he won by a large margin back in 2016. but on the other hand, when you lock look at the numbers in totality. biden and bernie, that is still half the electorate. and bernie has enough money and enough a path to gaining more dollars. he can be around for a long time. the thing that i think is more concerning than the poll numbers right now for sanders is how the attention from trump world is focused on biden. they don't view bernie as much of a threat at all. they think they can scoop up independents at a much higher rate than if biden is in the race and if you want to beat trump, i mean, that's what is going to stick. >> to your point about senator

warren. she had, a month ago is she going to start to move? she started to inch up some and she says she would think it's because of her policy proposals. we have seen senator sanders and then a new deal and she does represent that in the party and she says she's not sure who she will endorse. >> you're working with representative ocasio-cortez. do you think you'll ask her for her endorsement? >> we're here right now. see, this is, okay, we're talking about saving the planet and you're trying to become political. >> no, i'm just asking questions. >> that's fine. right now we're here to talk about the environment, okay. thank you very much. >> thank you, sir. >> so, basically bernie sanders

has become the establishment, anti-establishment candidate and that puts him in a weird spot. >> i think that was not, if you imagine a different candidate doing that kind of brush off of a reporter, it might get a lot more attention. i think with bernie sanders, people have grown acustom and i think raising the question. does age matter? does likability matter? right now in this dynamic where it's bernie sanders against joe biden and sort of neutralizes the age dynamic. that's, honestly, unlikely to hold for nine months. >> that bernie sanders is not what a lot of the voters see, but what reporters see. this is how he deals with reporters, particularly on capitol hill. he brushes them off. that is his style. but as lisa points out, what do voters think of him? >> trump is using him pretty effectively to compare him with biden and make it seem like biden is the old guy that doesn't have any energy. we'll see that last as long as the president thinks it's

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some important trade and economic news just in to cnn. the united states set to remove a big set of tension between the united states, mexico and canada and big passage to the trade deal. a person familiar with discussions says the trump administration now will lift steel and aluminum tariffs. abby, this is a big deal. >> very much a big priority for this president getting it ratified but one of the big sticking points for mexico and canada, particularly for canada, has been the steel and aluminum tariffs that had begun a retaliatory cycle here between neighboring countries that had long been trading partners. so, this agreement is just the result of ongoing conversations between president trump and the leaders of canada and mexico.

just this week alone, president trump and trudeau of canada spoke for three conversations, including one today that the canadians have confirmed but the white house has not confirmed. our understanding is that with this agreement, which is close to completion and could be announced at some point today, the president has agreed to lift steel and aluminum tariffs. they were 25% tariffs on steel, 10% tariff on aluminum and lift those and canada will do the same and that hurdle ratifying in canada and mexico will be more or less lifted. however, john, as you know, this has to be ratified here in the united states and some bipartisan concerns on capitol hill about the deal that will need to be worked out. that issue is a little bit separate from this dispute between canada and mexico. but for the united states, i think it's an important step forward as the president tries to get this deal ratified, especially as he's also in the

midst of trade war with china, as well. this is just one more headache that he gets lifted as he's trying to move forward here, john. >> abby philip, appreciate it. thank you. trade politics are fascinating. number one, you turn down the temperature in the neighborhood. your biggest trading partner are your closest neighbor and fight with china. we have some questions about that, but at least we get it. why are we having so many arguments with our friends and neighbors. the president heading into his re-election campaign told his base they helped bring back steel jobs and aluminum jobs in the united states. >> what you're seeing now is the president trying to balance it. you can't fight everyone on all fronts all the time. if china is the battle he's going to pick and we have reason to believe he is. it helps with the latino vote. go figure. fascinating subject for a different conversation, but if china is where you're going to do it, then you have to clear the decks on this other stuff. so, the president gets some

stuff out of the deal, as we understand it right now. some assurance he can come at them with new tariffs and encourage regional production of steel and aluminum and we have seen him in tandem with this accomplishment today give the six-month delay to a decision on tariffs on autos that would allow for negotiations to continue. i think when you look at those in concert with his approach, you see an overall approach that takes 2020 into account. >> focusing on china and trying to take the air out of the balloon. is that fair? >> absolutely. a lot of anticipation this morning in the white house for this to finalize this deal with canada and for a lot of the reasons that she was talking about. these setbacks last week. i think that is a fair way to put it, with china. it is just going to put more and more pressure on the farmers who are in key states and this, they feel like, will give them a

little bit of leeway. these aluminum and steel tariffs are clear winners and losers congregated in the battleground states in the midwest. if they can finalize this and get a little bit more targeted relief for the farmers in the next couple weeks, it will give them a little bit of breathing room to maybe get a deal done with china in the next few months. >> the big question is, too, how will congress be able to approve the u.s./mexico trade agreement. that is still a major, major question. a very heavy lift through the democratic house. they're working very hard. the ustr trade representative robert has been working to get nancy pelosi on board and republicans are also not completely onboard, but perhaps this move could alleviate concerns from republicans at least. nevertheless, the president wants to campaign on that, but getting that approved in this congress and this environment still a major question. >> we'll watch as this one plays

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another immigration setback for the trump white house in court today. even as the president tries to sell a new white house plan for the border.

a fourth circuit court of appeals ruling that the president's decision to rescind the obama administration daca policy violated federal law. you probably recall that program protects young undocumented immigrants who were brought illegally across the border by family members. democrats must insist a legislative solution but not among the proposals in the president's new plan. he wants what he calls a merit-based system requiring to learn english. candidates are evaluated on their age, skillset and their office of employment. >> today we are presenting a clear contrast. democrats are proposing open borders, lower wages and, frankly, lawless chaos. we are proposing an immigration plan that puts the jobs, wages and safety of american workers first. our proposal is pro-american, pro immigrant and pro worker.

it's just common sense. >> democrats say they are not interested in talking unless and until the president puts the daca issue back on the table and they were quick to take issue with details of the president's plan. >> the word that they use, merit. it is really a condescending word. are they saying family is without merit? are they saying most of the people come to the united states in the history of our country are without merit because they don't have an engineering degree? >> just clear from there, there's no legislation passing. the only way the president would have to bring them to the white house and talk about things we know he's not going to talk about. a lot of republicans don't like the president's plan either. >> in the last congress, they were controlled by both chambers controlled by republicans. there were plans supported by this administration that they pushed very hard. they went through weeks of painstaking negotiations just within the house republican conference and they could not get that approved. that would bring in democrats

controlling the house and, obviously, the two sides are in polar opposites when it comes to this particular issue. this is just a political document to make the case to voters and the contrast between the parties. >> the conservative reaction is fascinating. let's start with the majority leader mitch mcconnell. the president's point man in the senate were a nation of immigrants we must preserve the part of who we are. he goes through this whole point and at the very end i look forward to reviewing the president's proposal. doesn't say, thank you, mr. president. when mcconnell doesn't want to take a, and those sentence are accurate. we are nation of laws and then no position taken. also, to be fair, when mitch mcconnell gets fired up, usually subject for predicate, as well. but this is the problem, if you up the belief that this is a political document and there are not legs for this to pass in the

congress, which is a fair point to make. the problem is a statement like this from mitch mcconnell and democrats. all the democrats have to do is read mitch mcconnell's statement and say trump's plan can't even get the top republican in congress. >> or look at the other, the president we know. even when he's almost agreed to things with democrats, then he gets hammered by his base and backs off. a very conservative group essentially live tweeting and live responding to the president's plan yesterday taking issue with his temporary work visas and other issues. they don't like the substance of this. that's one conservative group. ann coulter her tweets include this. great that trump wants language proficiency for immigrants. how about language proficiency for presidents. then she goes on to put wall, noun. i mean, ow. >> the question you have to ask is, what is the goal of this package? and it is the kind of

conventional wisdom is that it is supposed to be a unity document that republicans can rally around. republicans are not rallying around it. what is the actual, actual goal? i think you could make the case that the actual goal for the president to go out on the stump and say he does not want to decrease the number of legal immigrants. they are looking at loosely according to the formulas to the extent it has been discussed keeping the same number of green cards every year or changing the numbers. i think we can say that this is about how he positions himself on the stump and who he messages to, even among immigrant groups. this could be exciting to many immigrant groups who would benefit from this and not exciting to immigrant groups who will not benefit from this. at this point if the goal is a unity document for the republicans, it doesn't seem to be achieving the goal. >> i agree with margaret, which is always a good position to have. look, i support legal immigration. the problem is, it's not what he is going to do. when he's on the stump, the idea

that he would speak about immigrants in respectful terms. i mean, you're laughing because it seems almost completely unlikely. so what ends up happening here. you put out this document. nobody in washington likes it. you take fire from both sides from your party, from democrats and then you have a document that the president basically never references on the campaign trail. so, you have to wonder what is achieved by this. >> a good side of history there. the president also continue watching the news today taking issue with his chief of staff on another big issue. quick programming note, don't miss cnn special report tonight "the trump family business" catching it tonight erin burnett investigates right here on cnn. thanks for joining us "inside politics" today. hope you get up early and join on sunday. brianna keilar starts after a very quick break. have a great day. what's going on? it's the 3pm slump.

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