martin, thanks very much. and to our viewers thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitz ner the situation room. you can follow me on twitter and instagram @wolf blitzer. and cnn the situation room. erin burnett outfront starts right now. >> outfront next, breaking news, defiance, team trump ignoring a subpoena for the president's tax returns. will the courts have the last word? and laughable that's what bill barr is saying about claims he lied under oath. what is funny about that? plus montana gofrp in his own words why he says he is the best chance to beat trump in 2020. let's go outfront. and good evening i'm erin burnett, frout on on friday evening defying a subpoena team trump defying another subpoena from congress. this time for six years of the president's tax returns. the deadline was tonight. and the treasury secretary, steve mnuchin writing a letter to house ways and means chairman

richard neil who subpoenaed the returns, quote, we have determined that the committee's request lacks a legitimate legislative purpose and the department is therefore not authorized to disclose the requested returns. neil responding to that that he is going to talk to his lawyers. in other words, this is headed to the courts and to possible constitutional crisis. >> i think that if both sides made up their minds better to move it over to the next brafrm of government, the judiciary. >> this will go to the third branch of government to be resolved. >> they grow. they are taking it to the courts. and the president argued of course that the documents he released yesterday, his financial disclosure statement, this is even better than releasing his taxes. >> i did do a filing of over 100 pages. you get far for from that than from a tax return >> that's what he says about the document. simply not true. this is the document from yesterday. last year's financial disclosure form. how can you get more from this, which is 88 pages from last year

from the president's disclosure than you would get from that? that's a picture of trump himself tweeted of himtds signing his 2015 tax returns. that's how much information could be available from one year. we got a measly little 88 pages which do not answer the questions much how much money the president owes to whom. but the president and his team have another excuse for not complying with the subpoena. listen to this one. >> they're extremely complex. people wouldn't understand them. >> i don't think congress particularly not this group of congressman and women are smart enough to look through the thousands of pages that i would assume that president trump's taxes will be. >> well, she is right. it's not 88 pages. but calling someone stupid doesn't generally work, not even in kindergarten. there are 10 accountants in congress process. as one member of the house ways and means committee told me last night. >> let me ashoo sure you, mr.

president, we will figure it out. >> will we ever see the president's tax returns? not if trump has anything to do with it, meaning all of this was not true. >> if i decide to run for office, i'll pursue my tax returns, absolutely. i'm i'm going to do the tax returns when obama does his birth certificate. >> i would love to give the tax returns but i can't until i'm finished with the audio zbliet pamela brown is outfront live at the white house. and pamela, the president is not gifting up this fight. >> absolutely not erin. president trump's team is digging in its heels more. fighting the house ways and means committee chairman saying with the treasury secretary steve mnuchin saying congress doesn't have a legitimate legislative purpose and he doesn't have the authority to release six years of president trump's tax returns. once again, erin, this is a signal from the trump administration that it won't give on congressional subpoenas and willing to fight them in the courts all the way through the next election. earlier this week a district judge cast doubt on the trump's

lawyers claims that congress must show a legitimate legitimating purpose for twrufrp's business records. but the chances of the subpoena disputes being resolved before the next election are slim. and i spoke to a source tonight close to trump's team that told me part of the calculation here is running out the clock. because any do expect it to take a while to get through the court system. the latest refusal to comply with the subpoena may foreshadow how the administration will respond to a stp for don mcgahn next tuesday. the white house previously blocked a request for mcgahn's documents it could follow suit in blocking his testimony next week. of course we will track it all. >> thank you very much, pamela. and now democratic congresswoman tom swazy which sits on the house ways and means committee. i appreciate your time, congressman. here we are, defiance. any say take a hike, not going to klei with your subpoena. now you sue them in court. does this go all the way to the

supreme court, congressman? >> i think ultimately the courts have to decide this. and i can't imagine that whichever party is not successful at the lower courts will not pursue it as far as they can which could ultimately end up in the supreme court. >> okay. so obviously you got to get there before you know what happens next. but you've got the context here. others subpoenas defied. plenty. and the judiciary many chairman jerry lad nadler says we are in constitutional krietsz. are we there now? or do you wait the supreme court whatever court thels them to do it and then they defy? is that then a constitutional crisis. >> when people use the expression constitutional crisis they are talking about in breach between the executive and the legislative branch? and we have that right now. there is a confrontation taking place. i don't think it's a crisis yet. but i think we are having this serious question. we have to remember the chairman of the house ways and means committee richey neil made it clear from day one the reason he

wants to see the tax returns is he wants to determine if in fact the irs is following its own procedures. most people don't talk with this. since the 1970s the irs manual has said every president and vice president should be audited i the irs. this was to talk away sfrugs the irs employees. >> he says he is under audit and that's why he won't show us the taxes. >> well we have to see if he is under automate audit now he is president of the united states of america and we have to see if in fact the irs is complying with their manual. we saw the president as part of the mueller report when he doesn't like something, he will call somebody on the phone and say i don't want you to do this. don mcgahn came out and said i'm doing it my way even though the president directs otherwise. do we know if the i say commissioner is following his procedures that every president and vice president is supposed to be audited by the irs? >> to this point, though when secretary mnuchin says you lack legislative purpose as you point out your kmarm is it saying to look at how the irs audits

presidents why you need trump's returns to do couldn't the irs confirm that he is under audit as all presidents are. how would that tell you. >> we need to foz how what the irs is doing how extensive they are doing. the chairman wants to determine if we need to pass legislation. this wout issue wouldn't have come up were in in it not for the fact that this president for the first time since the 1970s is the first to have not closed his income taxes to the public. have been scouring around looking at this we came upon this provision in the statute that requires the irs to comply with any request from the chairman of ways and means or other tax writing committees to give the tax returns of anybody they request. it doesn't require legitimate legislative purpose even though there is one. this is about policy not politics but this wouldn't have come up were it not for the fact that the president broke with tradition since the 70s. >> i understand you're giving a legislative purpose saying you don't need to provide.

but you -- you say you are doing so nonetheless. let me ask you about the timing. as you say both side are fighting in all the way to the top, right. whoever wins is happy whoever loses will be appeal. then to the supreme court eventually. this is taking a lot longer than truch may be in the office. has he run this by putting this into the judiciary branch and running out the clock? >> i think what you -- what you just said and other reporter said earlier that the administration goal is to try and run out the clock in time for the election is exactly what their strategy is. i think that there will be arguments made. i don't know this for a fact but i think there will be arguments made by the chairman time that this should be expedited because the statute is crystal clear, unambiguous that the irs is required -- the treasury secretary is required to provide tax returns when the chairman requests them. it's unambiguous there is no question what so far. there is not much room for debate here. >> you think you could get -- this could go through the courts

quickly? could this be resolved this year or is that way too ambitious? >> you know, listen, i'm trained as a lawyer and trained as a certified public accountant. but i think there is a lot more qualified people than myself to handle the law and the accounting in this matter. that will be employed by the committee to actually get in thing moving as quickly as possible and to dig through the tax returns once we get them. >> congressman swazy in terms what you do now, the treasury secretary defying the subpoena and bill barr has defied a subpoena and chairman bill nadler is threatening contempt. it could mean jail or fine. do you think secretary mnuchin could be held in contempt? >> i think it's premature for that right now. the chairman said that's premature. there are other people saying knelled like to see that happen right away. the challenge for the president and his administration as well as the challenge for congress is people are sick and tired of the politics and the game playing.

people don't want that to happen. they want us to focused on solving problems. we have to find a balance on the knife's edge. how do we do our jobs we are required to do as oversight as a separate branching of above the brafrm government monitoring what the government is doing. if we do too far one way investigate, investigate and it becomes partisan that's bad for congress. if the president keeps on denying and delaying and obfuscating and fighting that makes him look too political. we have to focus the at the same time walk and chew gum at the same time to focus on getting things done. focus on the important issues we face in the country. it's a balance all the way along. >> congressman swazy, i appreciate your time. thank you. hey, erin thanks for having me on good luck with your show tonight. >> bill barr laughs off claims he lied under oath. >> i think it's larnlly being made to try to discredit me. >> plus president trump says nobody warned him about mike

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laughable charge, attorney general bill barr shrugging off democrat as threats to hold him in contempt. >> nancy pelosi believes you lied under oath. what do you think of that charge. >> i think it's a laughable charge. and i think it's largely being made to try to discredit me. >> holding you in contempt what do you think of that. >> it's part of the usual political circus being played out. it doesn't surprise me. >> he says it's laughable. okay. so let's just play the testimony that he is talking about. >> reports have emerged recently, general, that members of the special counsel's testimony are frustrated at some level with the limited information including in your march 24th letter that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the report's findings. do you know what they are

referencing with that? >> no, i don't. >> well there was a long pause there. and perhaps that's because barr did know the special counsel's team did know that they had note adequately reported feending because he had a letter saying that barr's did not fully capture the substance, and nature and the the work and conclusions. outfront now to kari cord re. jack weiss. former assist secretary for the department of homeland security under president obama, juliette kayyem, and former adviser to four u.s. presidents david gergen. jack you're here with me. let me start with you. we laid out the testimony of the pause, the answer which obviously runs counter to the letter we know he had already received. is it laughable to say bar lied under oath. >> when you was assist u.s. attorney if i had gone into federal court with his special mixture of 907% misleading and 10% literal truth, regardless

whether it's perjury or not those judges would have called my boss, u.s. attorney. would have wanted my head. i would have been disciplined or fired. i guarantee you eep and every trial lawyer in the u.s. department of justice feels the same way. felon of them go into federal court acting the waybill bar did when he went into congress. >> juliette? >> oh, i would totally agree with that assessment. there is no way you look at that testimony and think there is a guy who wants full disclosure. and i think there is two ironic aspects of this. first it's just how wounded the attorney general feels. it's like, oh, you know they are hurting my feelings. he is the attorney general of the united states. he could tell the truth and he could not try to stall any investigation into the mueller report. the second thing quickly which makes me more nervous today than the clip you showed was of course when barr was unable to say whether the president directed him to start investigations. because since that testimony we now see a department of justice

which is turning against and turning its wrath so to speak on political enemies of donald trump. >> so, kari, let's listen how barr change his tune on another important issue which is whether the mueller investigation is what the president calls it which is a witch hunt here is barr in january and barr today. >> i don't believe mr. mueller would -- would be involved in a witch hunt. >> are you comfortable using those words? >> witch hunt? hoax? >> i use what words i use. and it was an investigation. but if i would been falsely accused i'd be comfortable saying it was a witch hunt. >> kari, can you explain that? >> i can't. it's indefensible. and but it is consistent with what he has been saying lately ever since the release of the mueller report. he has been saying that sort of portraying the president as a victim of the investigation. and what that does is it cuts

against the credibility of the work that the fbi and the justice department did which was conducted lawfully which was conducted with court supervision, which was done under the rules of the justice department, and so what he is actually doing is on their ongoing basis of conducting investigations which include national security investigations and include continued investigation into foreign influence, he is undermining any future efforts that they have. and it's really -- it's just indefensible on the part of the attorney general. >> david to that line, barr is now also parroting the president when it comes to the word spying, which is what the president used to describe what happened to his campaign. indulge down on his campaign. the campaign was spied on. barr is telling the "wall street journal" a quote government power was used to spy spy on american citizens i can't imagine a world where we wouldn't look and see that was done properly. this is after he used the word spying many times in testimony. the president saw that tweeting my campaign for president was

conclusively spied on. of course it's important to conclusively note that the president's director of the fbi chris wray says that's not true. he told a senate committee early yerl that's the wrong word it conveys illegality and under the table which is not consistent with what others have said. david why is barr kowtowing to trump on this. >> i don't know. i think what i do remember and what all of us remember is when he presented himself to the congress he basically made a plenl that he would be an independent attorney general. he would be the nation's top attorney. and what he has done over the last few weeks is become the president's top attorney. he is acting as if he is in the president's pocket, become the number within defender of the president. and to go on fox news and give what can only be construed as a very partisan tangent and leaning interview about all this

all of this deeply distressing. i think -- dsh i was among knows saying we should give him the benefit of the doubt. he is not coming up and do attorney general at his age he would want to preserve his legacy. i can't understand why he would let the legacy crumble. >> let's listen to what chris wallace had to say about barr today. >> for two years donald trump said i don't have a attorney general i don't have somebody out there looking for and protecting my interest. he clearly has that now with bill barr. and he clearly is protecting this president. >> chris wallace is a straight shooter. jack i think he has a reputation of course for that. but he is mincing no words and saying that on fox news. >> mincing no words because this notion of investigating how the investigation began is absurd. we have a 400 page report that said there was a bank robbery and 200 pages say there were attempts to obstruct the investigation of the bank

robbery. and so bill barr today is saying we are launching yet another a third investigation of basically who were the aanonymous tips to 911? and he is doing it because these are temperatures talking points. it's -- i don't think there are many people in the line positions of of the u.s. department of justice who are proud of how he quitted himself today. >> stay with me we have more news about how much michael flynn told bob mueller about the trump campaign. does that explain why trump was saying this? >> i feel badly for general flynn. he lost his house. he lost his life. >> michael flynn and general and great person. >> and montana governor democrat sfeef bullock running for president, explaining in his own words why he is getting into such a crowded field now. >> i'm the 37th candidate in the race.

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new tonight, president trump trying to he rewrite history. trying to say he had no idea michael flynn was under fbi investigation even as he made him the top national security official in the united states. trump today tweet going now seems that general flynn was under investigation long before it was common knowledge. it would have been impossible for me to know this. but if that was the case and with me being one of two people becoming president why was i not told so to make a change. impossible for him to know. trump is saying if he knew flynn was this shady he would have

made him on behind change not made him the tom security feshl in the country. which defies reason because here is what trump knew. trump kwhous counsel told trump that tomlin should be fired. at the end of january 2017 told him flynn misled the fib and trump could have known before that because his white house counsel was told of a investigation into flinl earlier that month. trump did not fire flynn until way after all that happened sometime late february. everyone back with me. juliette start with you. president trump trying to rewrite history here. i'm curious as to why. the facts don't back him up. why? why still fight? >> well, i mean, why does donald trump lie? because he does it all the time? i don't think he knows the truth anymore. but laws because in this case it's a bit problematic. he knew -- remember, president obama also told -- told donald trump not to hire flynn we don't know the specifics. and sally yates. the most important thing is sally yates tells the white

house counsel do not hire this guy or keep this guy he is under investigation pl. sally yates gets fired first for telling the truth. they knew exactly what was happening. they were trying to protect flynn. and also because flynn knew exactly what the campaign and what the transition had done with the russians. and remember -- and at no stage during the process does anyone in the white house say, oh, we have a problem about the russians they are trying to protect themselves. >> yeah, i mean, it does, jack, just raise a lot of questions why he keeps trying to relitigate this. >> well, he keeps lying. and that's juliette's point. and it reminds me of the rick riley book about golf. he cheats at golf. and he gets mulligan after mulligan from the country it seems on these lies. now, he was covering up his work with flynn early on, right, before he was sworn in, and in january. he asked comey to go eds on flynn. that's why he ultimately ends up firing comey it seems. so i agree with you, it's --

it's taken on sort of a religious thing for him. he has to keep lying about in. >> so kari i guess the question is why. we find this out from unredacted information in court documents. there may be more to come. but one thing we are learning about flynn is that flynn was revealing he was among select people privy with conversations with senior campaign official base reaching out ut to wikileaks. reaching out to wikileaks to get help. the quote from the court report, the kwort is the defendant recalled conversation was senior campaign officials after the release of the pod sfa emails during which the prospect of reaching out to wikileaks was discussed. this is october the eve of the campaign. this is after they've been warned about russian interference. this could be a big deal, couldn't it? >> i think this is actually probably the most significant thing though come out of this flynn sentencing proceeding and these documents that are knew. which is that there was

potentially more information and more conversations amongst the trump campaign that goes beyond what we know from what has been released so far in the mueller report. and this is so significant, because this goes to why it's ridiculous for the attorney general to agree with the president that it's okay to characterize the entire investigation as a witch hunt because even though the special counsel's team determined that there weren't facts establishing a criminal conspiracy under the criminal statutes, there still was an entire amount of activity that is bad for national security that demonstrates that this campaign, the trump campaign was willing to work with wikileaks which let me tell you going back to 2010 anybody in the national security community would know was not an entity that engaged in activity helpful to u.s. national security. >> david, i mean, that does seem to be the significance here, and see flynn is privy to these conversations.

and again i just want to put an stlamgs point on it. at that point paul manafort no longer worked for the kban. the senior campaign officials reaching out wikileaks knowing what kari is saying must included some kbngs or jared kushner or donald trump junior or donald trump himself, it would seem, right. >> absolutely. and i think that what the president was doing with his tweet was simple, and that was to put more distance tweens himself and flynn. because he realized -- his people realize that the flynn story is likely to grow in the next few days as we go through through this and learn more about the documents. i think intriguingly it's not only with what we are learning is that he he was in the meetings about wikileaks but also that his attorney got a call from a white house attorney as flynn was trying to decide whether to cooperate with the special counsel or not. but the call to his attorney said basically from the white house, remember that the president really likes you.

which was i think anybody who understands code language is, you know, the president does have pardon power. you might want to think about that before you decide to cooperate. and apparently there were multiple people calling him even someone from capitol hill. that's one part. but the other part, erin, a lot of it is redacted it raises a question if stuff like this is redacted what else is behind the redactions? i think it really puts pressure on to get the full report for congress. if the public is really going to understand the full context. we would have never done anything like this. had those passages not been in effect unredacted. >> right. and obviously these could be very significant threads as we get more information. thank you all so very much. and next the montana governor running for president. why he could be a threat to trump. steve bullock in his own words is next and the cost of doing business with the trumps. >> it's hard when you feel like you've been ripped off.

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moines. >> good morning. i'm steve >> yeah, i know. you're from montana. >> he is the newest game in town. >> you got the front row. >> for montana governor steve bullock it's iowa or bus. >> we gagter to make sure donald trump is a one-term president. >> the field of democratic presidential hopefuls now large enough to suit up a football team of offense and defense with one player to spare. they've all been making the same plea for months. but bullock has a unique sales pitch. he is the only 2020 candidate elected statewide from deep red trump country. he doesn't have to tell iowa voters he is late to the dance. >> i get i'm the 37th candidate in the race. >> 23. >> only 23. thank you. sometimes it gets confusing. >> he is hitting the highway in hopes of breaking through the confusion. >> how important is iowa to your campaign. >> well, i think iowa is important to everyone's campaign.

i mean, iowa has always played sort of the traditional sorting out role but certainly significant to mine >> he knows his candidacy will either break out or be broken boy by by the iowa caucus sees. he is also scrapping to make the cut for the democratic debate next month where he hopes to position himself in the ideological mid-sflool has the party shifted too far left or not? >> i think that the party is -- look there are some things beirut up that i don't know that could ever get done. >> he is talking about the green new deal and medicare for all. he believes the path to the white house is by winning over some 2016 trump voters and by inspiring democrats. >> do we turn out or coalition or do we bring the voters back? i think it's a false choice. i think we do absolutely both. but. >> did but can you do both. >> we have historically. >> the the he knows iowan like cheryl shur who has been

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ferrari or lamborghini. we are normal people. we met a lady showing us brochure and it has a spa, pool, tennis court. it looked so beautiful. >> beautiful and sapo thought a great investment because she thought she was buying from a man with the midas touch. >> whatever donald trump touches turns gold. >> they signed their purchase agreement in december of 2016. >> 12/8/06. here is the purchase price of our condo. $418,900. >> what they could afford. >> the letter conforms we are in receipt of a total deposit of $125,000. >> they would lose every penny. >> it's hard when you feel like you've been ripped off by a big name. it's just -- you start to be like how could this have

happened? >> the trump ocean resort baja mexico was never built. construction never got beyond this, a giant hole in the ground. >> there is my hole. that's what i bought, my hole. >> outfront now mike tangles a senior researcher for public citizen. part of the documentary. her story is hard to hear and there are so many others like this. the president licensed his name. he made money as others lost money in case after case. yesterday we got his financial disclosures for last year. we found he earned revenues of $$434 million. obviously we don't know the debts and everything that went with that. but you have done a lot of digging through this. you have tracked every one, 500 of the companies that comprised the trump world. you found that even though the president says he separated from them that's not true.

>> yes, thanks so much for having me on. what we were able to figure out by looking at the president's financial disclosures are that even though he made claims of separating himself those claims don't hold up to scrutiny. what we realized is after trump won the election he made a whole lot of cosmetic changes to the way his business was structured. he made an already complex business empire even more complex. but at the end of the day his entire business combine still all comes wak to one single entity, the donald trump revocable trust. i think there are three important things to know about the donald trump trust that is it was made to benefit trump. it's under his social security number. trump can draw money from the trust at any time. >> any time. >> also he can take control of the trust at any time. >> wow, it's his social security number. he can take money whenever he wants. he can have control. we the american people don't know who puts money into that, what countries they are from.

we don't know. >> exactly. >> but he controls the money. >> exactly. exactly. what we know is what's reported to the "washington post", "new york times" cnn and others but it's not a full reporting by any means. >> mike, i appreciate your time very much. and everyone, you can see more of mike and what he found and much more on our special report, the trump family business. it premiers tonight at 9:00. i hope you'll watch. next one woman's quest to keep hope alive in her community against all odds. i recently discovered that pistachios are a good source of protein.

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it is unique in that we work with families as well as provide all the health services for the entire family as well as dental care and emotional wellness support. part of being a strong organization is really having a strong financial foundation and part of that is looking at what can we do better, what can we learn to serve our neighbors. we believe the families we work with have imminenense strength that is an important value for community of hope. i'm the ceo at community of hope. presented by charles schwab. follow our cnn anchors as they revisit the stories and change makers that left lasting impressions on them. go to cnn.com to learn more about these stories and how they had an inspiring impact. this week, we have been bringing you stories of remarkable people who are making lasting impacts around the

world, and we call our series champions for change. it is our chance to go back and visit people we covered in the past we couldn't forget, people who traveled to chicago to revisit. you'll see quickly why she is what we're calling a champion for change. take a look. >> when i first met diane, the supreme court was about to hear a case, a landmark case, having to do with chicago's handgun ban. >> if you stay here two days, you realize our young people with looking backwards at every car. when diane opened up her own phone to start the nonprofit. talk to some of the people who are most affected by gun violence. i know how much my life has changed in the ten years since we last met.

i'm interested in what's changed for diane. how are you? >> nice to see you. >> so good to see you. >> as i was saying, you leave a mark. >> diane, diane, diane, tell me again why did you first open your doors? >> i realized they needed help. the gangs were trying to recruit the boys and stuff. i'm like, me? what am i going to do, you know? well, i do, but i sold a tv and bought some computers and started helping with homework. it is about a program like tutoring and mentoring. but i want to know these kids. >> has there been moments when you thought, that's it. i can't do this. >> every day i will wake up, i

quit. i'm not doing this and then somebody would call me, a kid or young person would walk to the door. if this door wasn't open, i'd be dead in jail. >> since 2003, thousands of kids have walked through this front door, including trey orr. >> hey, trey. >> who has been getting the very same hugs for almost that long. >> what has she meant to you? >> a mother figure definitely. heart of gold, man. >> what are you doing these days? >> i graphic design. >> went to college. >> yep. >> got a job. >> yep. >> you can see the pride on diane's face but that disappears quickly when we drive through the neighborhood. >> this is where four shootings happened in four days last week. and i knew the young people who did it and the young people who were shot. >> oh, my god. >> friday one of the -- there's terrence. now, his brother was just killed. he was in my program.

>> i can see how another kid that age could so easily think, i've got no future. >> that's what they think. no hope. and can you blame them? >> returning to the memorial diane started, it does feel impossible to blame them. each brick represents a young life lost to gun violence. >> how many are in there now? >> 201. >> so how many now. >> 800. >> i never thought it would be this big. i know that's so naive to think. diane isn't alone in her fight to save this community. >> i'm from roseland. i went on to get my bachelors degree and masters degree, and i am working inside the community that i come from. >> what has diane's influence

been on your life? >> she has impacted me tremendously. she has been a person to go to, a mentor. the most supportive person you can ever be around and be with. >> you're in a doctorate program right now. >> yes. >> how long have you been volunteering with diane. >> it will be nine years in september. >> 11 years. i started in 2008. >> what are you teaching now? >> making up songs and long divisions, doing crazy dances, anything to get them involved, relating science to everything. >> and soon they will have a lot more room to help a lot more kids. >> first of all, the liquor store and then it was a restaurant. this is going to be the computer lab. >> diane is turning this empty building next to her home into a technology and evntrepreneur

center. >> this is the future. this is it. >> what does the future look like? >> it looks like young people thriving, getting new skills and coming back as success stories. oh, my god. i could see the possibilities in here. >> you got it all figured out. i mean, it is incredible what she's accomplished. you look at what she's doing for those kids now. but what you found is that her influence now is extending way beyond that community. >> one of the best things to see in the ten years since i saw her, met her the first time is that she is getting recognition for all of her hard work and all that she's done. lorial ordered her a woman of worth award. she testified before congress. but the only thing that matters are the faces that you saw in the story and the kids' lives that she touches, but i'm super excited after hearing her even though the job she has before her are so great with the

problems in the neighborhood to see what's next for her. >> thank you so much for sharing that with us, kate. don't miss our hour long champions for change special. it airs saturday night at 8:00 eastern. thank you so much for joining us. ac 360 begins right now. good evening. attorney general william car, the nation's top law enforcement officer, the person you would hope would be fair, rational is fuelling the flames of conspiracy. he's doubling down without evidence on his comments that there were unauthorized spying on the trump campaign. this on the same week it was revealed barr tapped a prosecutor, making it the third investigation into the investigators, something the president has pushed for over and over and over for years. now maybe the investigators will find something or maybe they won't. but in the meantime, mr. barr seems to be content with chumming the waters of