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i'm michael smerconish. not in philadelphia but in hudson yards, new york city. the college board, the folks who administer the s.a.t., the scholastic aptitude test have just announced there will be what is referred to as an adversity score in addition to math and verbal skills. college board chief executive david coleman will join me in a
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moment to talk about what he refers to as context data. here are some of the concerns that i'm eager to raise with him and allow him to respond, of course. the range will be between 1 and 100. we know the considerations will be given to 15 factors including the student's high school and poverty level of the neighborhood. race will not be considered. students will not get to see the score. while i think the intent to level the playing field is noble, i have questions as to the approach. even before this news, i've explained that i think way too much consideration is given to this one exam. with regard to adversity. my view is that a college application should convey a variety of background information about the upbringing of an applicant. but to elevate a numerical value of circumstance, alongside achievement in math and verbal scores is not the appropriate way that i think we should be doing it. i worry that it will have undue influence upon those more objective scores. if the common app wishes to
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include questions of circumstance, that would be fine. but for that role to be assumed by the administrator of the test itself, that's what strikes me as overreach. second, i worry that any broad assessment of one's neighborhood makes assumptions about what's going on in particular homes that might not be accurate. i'm fond of the island saying. if you dent know if the roof leaks until you live inside. what about families whose upscale appearances disguises the hardship indoors? and third, i worry at this punishes a student in an advantage neighborhood, maybe a white middle class student who still gains admission the old-fashioned way by working hard. look, as a parent, i just went through the college application process for the fourth and final time. each with good result. this is far from sour grapes. each of our children is more intelligent than i. but if i had it to do over again, i would have to consider early on, having them skip the s.a.t. and a.c.t. altogether.
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instead of the expensive test prep. the time-consuming study. the angst that is produced by each saturday morning exam, i'd rather see that commitment directed towards something of lasting value like learning to be proficient in a musical instrument or painting or community service. there's a reason why, according to fair test, the national center for fair and opening tests that as of today, 1,025 accredited bachelor-granting colleges and universities don't require the a.c.t. or s.a.t. scores and they include great schools like bowden, university of chicago, wake forest, grand dice, american, wooster polytechnique and washington. on this, the status quo of college admissions it's not just acceptable. asians think their number is capped. other minorities think it's a game of white privilege. and those who are white and privileged think minorities and
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athletes are reducing slots for their kids. i say better that we keep the focus on grades earned over years, instead of performance on a single saturday. i want to know what you think. go to my websit website @smerconish.com. answer this question, should the s.a.t. include an adversity score? joining me now is david coleman, the ceo of the college board, the not for profit administration that begins and administers standardized tests like the s.a.t. mr. coleman, thank you so much for being here. where am i wrong? >> good morning. what's being misreported so far is we're not offering university score alongside the s.a.t. that's personal to a student. we're offering general background information which you've made some points about, but let's just say what we're doing. the only individual thing is the s.a.t. score it does not change. but what we offer alongside universities is general information about school and neighborhood. but that would be the same for all students in that school.
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or all students in that neighborhood. it's how they're neighborhood and school stack up. an s.a.t. score only shows so much. but when you put it together in context that has emerged you can identify more students who seem to score remarkably well in demanding circumstances. i'll give you one example, michael then we'll talk more broadly. there's a young woman in mississippi a partner school just admitted her her s.a.t. scores are roughly average to other students but when they looked at her s.a.t. score in context tore students in that high school, they saw she scored 40 points higher than any other student there. they saw she lives in a community rife with poverty. and they saw she was extraordinary, that she had accomplished with much less and resour resourceful. in order to allow admissions officers to more readily see students who defy the odds. to be very clear, i loved your
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statement about all of the things that general information cannot see. and that's why an application ought to, as you say, have an interview, have an essay. i really want to be clear, we're not displacing those things. that would be crazy. >> is it the role, though, of the college board to be involved in this issue? don't the applications already afford opportunity for students to tell their story? see, my real problem is that in the end, and i recognize it might not be student specific, but it's still a numerical value that will be looked at in the context of their verbal and math score. >> what's cool is the application process you that care about remain s intact. there will be that general back ground. it will be all of the information the student provide that is not being changed about all of the individual information you care about. let's talk about why you might do that, why it might be decent to do that. right now, colleges get school profiles from schools so they try to get a sense of where the
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students come from. but admissions officers only visit so many schools. and the sense of neighborhoods that kids grow up is very uneven as you might guess. all this is offering is general background of which to look at the student's specific application. if we don't do this in candor, people from disadvantaged backgrounds are at a huge disadvantage because the school may or may not know anything about their school or neighborhood. >> okay. how about my observation, i'll rephrase, it paints with a broad brush per neighborhood. let's call it out because i paid close attention to the rollout of this and the criticism. and you know, a criticism you'll often hear is what about the white student from a working class family whose parent might be opioid addicted. whose parent might be an alcoholic. the broad brush look at the neighborhood might not reveal what's going on behind that closed-door. >> you know, michael, the one reason i feel moved to be here
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and talk about these arguments is that's exactly the kind of kid who will be seen. if you look at the broad change here from race to, let's say, a broader definition of students who face adversity. in rural america, where that kind of life is concentrated today, where the opioid crisis is most intense. the dashboard is going to bring to light far more rural students, many of whom are right, but who are in high schools they couple show as many ap scores. they don't have as much resource at home or in the neighborhood. and admissions officers not are not familiar with these places. and admissions officers admitting that, hey, give us general background information. so when we look at a student's personal application, specific individuality, we can combine them both as you say must be done. i just want to be super clear. this is something fairly humble. nothing to replace the individual testing of a student as to life's circumstance.
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but we can't utterly rely on that to explain. >> i'm still caught up on the question of, why is this the role of the college add board who administered the test? here's my final yes. >> yes. >> this is borne of concern that there will be soon be a ban on affirmative action and you're trying to get ahead of that curve? you get the final word. >> no you've made thoughtful arguments to be clear. and i think the reason why we've taken this on is we have the relationships of the admissions officers so they trust us to provide general reliable information rather than a scatter of information they receive today. and in candor, we felt that there's so many remarkable young people that the college board could not look aside and just offer the s.a.t. score without this general context. because the s.a.t. score alone might mislead you, it might blind you to the remarkable resourcefulness of a student who may not score as high but has shown remarkable power. if there's another group who can do this beautifully, i'm all for it.
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it's a free tool. we gain nothing from it. just to be clear, we're not selling this. it can be used for s.a.t. or a.c.t. we're doing this to try to open up. >> david, when you get back to the office, do not open my file. >> i never have opened the file, great to see you. >> what are your thoughts? tweet me @smerconish. go to my facebook page. i will read responses throughout the course of the program. bill says, no adversity score. the s.a.t.s prove nothing about the intellect of an individual. look, bill, i have a bias, i performed below the mendoza line as i revealed here on cnn in the past. i'm just concerned about this new development. but historically, about all of the emphasis that we put on this one test, if it weren't the s.a.t. or a.c.t. it would probably be something else. shouldn't be achievement over, you know, four or five years of work in class be paramount? that's what i worry about the most. make sure you're going to my
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so, i recently ate a meal in the iconic 90-year-old atlanta hot dog joupint called the varsity. my god, look at that plate. i needed paddles after the meal. the varsity has several dining room. and when i took a seat, i discovered they set the tvs in each room to one specific channel. i had accidentally sat in the fox newsroom. and a sign requested please do not change the channels. well, i was thinking about that room and the folks in it when i read about elizabeth warren taking a hard pass as they puts it on fox news town halls.
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it grabbed a lot of headlines. here's the question, is it politically wise and will others follow her lead? warren said this, i love town halls, i've done it more than 70 since january. and i'm glad to have a television audience to be part of them. fox news has invited me to do a town hall. i'm turning them down and here's why. fox news is a hate for profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists and it's designed to turn us against each other. risking life and death claim to advertisers that it is a republic tutab abrepublic put o outlet. then she went on to say, she didn't want to give sponsors cover to make them feel it's okay to buy ads on fox or any of
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them the bump to her valuable audience. this is clearly a plied challenge to her rivals. bernie sanders, amy klobuchar, they've already done fox news town halls. in fact, sanders was seen by 2.5 million viewers which is the most seen for a town hall. pete buttigieg. and beto o'rourke open to the idea. eric swalwell has offered to do a town hall but turned down. john delaney tweeted to warren, if you're not using your town hall, i will. besides, tulsi gabbert, andrew wang, they've all made appearances. the only candidate seeming to lean to warren position, kamala
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harris. they've reached out. here's the question, it puts pressure on them as they contemplate if they're going to participate with fox news. it also underscores this issue where going on fox news, the democrats do give cover to me advertisers who otherwise might not be inclined to spend any money there. so for those reasons and more there is something to be said for the strategy, the downside of warren freezing out fox is this, if she never goes on the network, the viewers will never hear what she's got to say. if she's successful to actually elected to be president she's going to need some of those diners eating hot dogs in the varsity fox newsroom who is turns out are actually open to several of her proposals. that was the upshot of a recent focus group done by swing voters in sioux city, iowa.
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these are people who voted for obama and then trump. though they didn't care for the current crop of democrats. generally warren with taxes to pay for infrastructure. if she didn't tout these ideas on fox, those voters may never hear them. short term, yeah, i get the strategy. long-term, perhaps not so much. perhaps her thinking is i'll worry about that in the general election if only i can win the nomination. still to come, today, candidate joe biden gives his first big rally speech in philadelphia. the first debate just a month away. now that he has to actually campaign, will he be able to hold on to front-runner status? plus, several states are enacting tough anti-abortion laws trying to get them in the supreme court. will they achieve their goal of upending roe v. wade? and there are so many presidents vying for the presidency.
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joining me now to discuss is david wasserman, the house editor of the cook political report and republican strategist elizabeth mayer. he wrote this piece for "the new york times," who speaks for the mountain west?" hey, hang, let's look at the data. we'll start with all democrats according to fox, joe biden has a commanding lead, 18 points over his nearest competitor. that would be bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, mayor pete. kamala harris. if you drill down on pennsylvania and look a biden/trump matchup, he's got an eight-point lead over the president. liz, here's the question, historically speaking, is it likely someone can enter the race, being a front-runner in a huge field and maintain that lead and winning the nomination? >> historically, it's not likely.
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but i think in 2016, we saw historical patterns completely become ruptured. the question is whether what we saw in 2016 has become the new normal. or in this cycle we see candidates crest or fall. and keying to getting your candidate to crest and carry them through. personally, i think we may be in a condition where joe biden would be able to run from the stretch front to end as they say in horse racing. >> david, there are three things you say. you say bernie and warren are in. especially the south, dems perception, moderate mainstream nominees, best bet versus trump. amplify that, please? >> yes, i think joe biden's
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numbers will come down to earth as the other candidates get more well-known. right now it's like going into a mall with a very large food court where they have 25 choices. you have your cinnabon and your smoothie shop and panda express. but at the end of the day, democrats have to pick one and not everyone is going to leave happy. in fact, a lot are going to leave with some regrets. right now, joe biden is benefitting from the primary election perception that he's the safest choice. i've got to tell you, spending a lot of time on a campus in chicago this spring there's deep skepticism towards this presidency for young voters. and that could be a problem for democrats if he's the nominee, and they're counting on young people, particularly of color, bringing three povoters to the polls with them. >> and cnn will have the month
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thereafter to host the debate but what's the likelihood that anyone can break out when there are nine other candidates on the stage with you at any one time? >> i mean, that's a real problem because, you may be looking at a position where your candidate gets, if they're lucky, maybe like ten minutes of speaking time. it's really hard to make an impression in those ten minutes. at the end of the day, joe biden is known. he's handled himself in debates before. he's done it in a very strange fashion much as the way donald trump did in 2015. if you go back and look at his response against paul ryan. at the end of the day, joe biden is a likable guy. no matter what you think about on policywise, voters don't vote on poels. they pick an avatar and pick the policy. this is a guy like involved in water fights with the press pool
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kids. he gets excited about ice cream. he does do gaffes, and i think he's tough to displace in practice. and also younger college voters oftentimes don't vote. i don't really know how they factor into all of this. >> david, the size of that debate stage, indicative of how many, i think it's 23 now, let's call it two dozen. what's going on? i mean, i don't want to single any one of them out. but there's a particular big city mayor that i'm thinking of, i look at, and i say what is the path for success that he could possibly see? why are so many getting into it and continuing to get into it? >> michael, no one likes their day job anymore. and this has really become the cnn primary. you get into the race. you get a free town hall. you get to raise your publicity for whatever future purpose you'd like. now, i happen to think, democrats, you know, most ideal candidate or trump's worst nightmare would be a young
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charismatic woman with not nudge of a d.c. resume. there are a lot of democratic freshmen who fit that description. they aren't the members of the house who are running fruitless campaigns for president. look, joe biden does have enormous advantages in this primary in a sense liz is right, the primary voter is going to be older, more diverse than you get from social media. and it's also going to be more moderate than a lot of people think the democratic party is today because you have so many suburban republicans who trump has converted to democrats who will be voting in the primaries. my concern for biden is in the general election, can he get casual voters, particularly younger ones, to the polls in the fall. >> liz, take my final 60 seconds on this particular issue. i ask you because you played an important role for the rnc. all of this abortion talk, is this is not politically speaking
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a net loser for the gop in 2020? >> i think probably it could be in one very specific case. there's been a lot of focus on the fact that doug jones supposedly can't get himself re-elected in alabama. i think where you look at in alabama where that can suburban women who are typically straight voters. and you also look at where roy moore is pulling ahead of the pack on the primary side to run against him in 2020, i think that could be very bad for republicans in alabama. >> not just in alabama. joe's in my neck of the woods today. you know the importance being placed on pennsylvania. the suburban women around philadelphia. they're not thrilled to hear what's coming outside of missouri or alabama or louisiana. the list, i'm saying, it transcends those state lines. >> yeah. i think we'll see what the coverage is. and we'll see how this continues to play out. things can change very quickly. but i think the alabama law clearly does go too far in the
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minds of many. i think you have pat robertson saying it's gone too far. that's probably not a good indicator as to how that law in particular is going to be perceived. but i do think what's interesting about it is what's going to happen with regard to the senate and that particular senate race and i think republicans may have miscalculated on that and that's an important seat. >> appreciate you being here. check in on your tweets and facebook comments. dan says, why do so many dems keep joining the field so late? you know, dan, i don't know, book deal? tv show eventually? raise the profile. what's the downside. are you going to be embarrassed more so than another of the dozen all right in. i hope you're answering the survey question at smerconish.com this hour. should the s.a.t. test include an adversity score? results in about 25 minutes' time. still to come, about the abortion issue, several states
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the abortion debate, again, front and center, thanks to a new controversial set of state laws. the governor of alabama signed a bill banning abortion completely except in medical emergencies. in missouri, another one that severely restricts abortion currently sitting on the governor's desk awaiting a signature. this is the latest on a widespread effort to eliminate abortions on a state level. will this battle head to the supreme court. joining me now the president and ceo of the national constitution center. jeffrey rosen. are there four votes in the supreme court, because that's what it takes for them to hear the alabama case, assuming it winds its way in that direction? >> not necessarily. we know that chief justice roberts voted with the liberals to block the louisiana law that imposed admitting requirements for doctors, suggesting he may
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be inclined to uphold that law, given the fact that the supreme court, or, rather, to strike it down given the fact that the supreme court did that in 2016. the bottom line, chief justice roberts appears not to want to overturn roe v. wade right now. and the four skeptical they're not going to get his vote. they don't want to hear the more extreme cases. they might do what they're going to hear next week, with doctors permitting laws or in indiana fetal disposal laws. or laws requiring ultra sounds after, and waiting periods and things like that. this supreme court with this composition will not want to confront the core of roe with states like alabama or missouri which pat robertson are not the absolutely right way to challenge roe. like waiting periods and fetal
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remain laws. at least until there's another conservative justice on this court, this court is not ready to overturn roe v. wade right now. >> in other words, roe v. wade is more threatened by accessibility issues like the louisiana law, than the alabama law which probably -- alabama runs so afoul of roe versus wade, that i believe will be ruleden constitutional through the appellate process. and the court will deny the opportunity to get involved. meanwhile, the other issues that you're raising they may effectively strike roe versus wade through other means? >> you're absolutely right, michael. and these restrictions on access will have the greatest access on poor women. right now, abortions are not meaningful available in states passing these laws.
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louisiana and so forth. clinics will close and it will be harder for poor women to get abortion. women of means can already go to other states in those areas. but the slow chipping away at roe will have serious implications for reproductive rights and access. but the core right in roe, mainly to choose abortion before fetal viability. >> 13 years ago for "the mraeptsmraepts plante iplantic" you wrote, the results might not be what you expect. the day after roe fell, of course, abortion would not neither legal nor illegal. throughout the united states. instead, the stays and congress would be free to ban, protect
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and regulat regulate abortion. a decade or so later is that your view? >> it is still my view. you were right when you said when the dust settled and that would be many years of powerful battles, state by state, in the congress and in the courts, ultimately, the loser would be the gop. because all of those suburban women who are willing to be republican, as long as the core-righted roe is protected might jump ship and flee to the other side. the other, what's changed since 2006 abortion politics have become so much more polarized even though there's not very much support in the most conservative states for total bans on abortion, such as alabama, 30% support in those states, legislatures are even more polarized because the national gop is polarized as well. you could see state legislatures and ultimately gop people in congress embracing really
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draconian abortion bans that the majority of republicans don't support either. so that's what's changed since 2006 and that's why overturning roe would be good news for the democrats. >> jeffrey rosen, thank you. >> let's check in. dan lipson, what about the conservative justices 45 has nominated? didn't that become the anti-abortion movement? well, i think it did, but jeffrey making a really good point in the atlantic which is that conservatives perhaps should not be taking john roberts' vote for granted on this matter. kathryn, do we have rush limbaugh going after brett kavanaugh? play that, this also makes a point. >> people getting nervous about brett kavanaugh. brett kavanaugh has been siding with the leftists on the supreme court. he's been siding with the liberal majority. >> so, the point is, you can't take for granted the votes that we think are lined and are going
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to be part of a 5-4 decision one way or the other. there's some doubt about roberts, keep the obamacare affordable care act in mind. i say it's a net loser for republicans as we head into 2020 to be supportive of a law going nowhere. still to come, it's wildly held that undocument ed leads t crime. is that true? during our memorial day sale. it senses your movement, and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. it even helps with this. so you wake up ready to hit the ground running. only at a sleep number store. during the memorial day sale, save $1000 on the new queen sleep number 360 special edition smart bed, now only $1,799. only for a limited time. sleep number. proven, quality sleep. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient
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we've all hurt the charge that undocumented immigrants commit a disproportionate amount of crime. what does the data show? joining me now is anna flag the senior data reporter for the marshal profit. she wrote this piece for "the new york times" asking that are question. anna, a year ago it was marshal and the upshot looked at any causal link between immigration and crime. and critics said, well, you didn't isolate unauthorized or illegal immigrants. now you have. what did you find? >> right. so there's been relatively less
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research done on undocumented immigrants in particular because this is a group that's a little more difficult to collect data. on so when a couple weeks ago, the pew research center released population across the u.s. starting in 2007, is that was an opportunity to really get into this question of, okay, in areas where undocumented immigration populations increased, did they experience increase in crimes? and in cases where undocumented immigrants less, did they experience reduction in crime. so, that's what they looked at and what we found, no, there appears to be more relation between undocumented immigration and crime. >> the crime went down on similar rates regardless whether the undocumented population rose or fell. areas with unauthorized migration appeared to have larger drops in crime, although the difference was small and uncertaintu
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uncerta uncertain. did you look at all volumes of crime? >> yes, we did, robbery, burglary, and larceny. we found a similar result for everything. there was no relationship to undocumented population. >> are you an outlier. i mean the folks at marshall, this is a one-off or does it comport with other data? >> no, there are studies by the cato institute. and an article in criminology. and all of the research that we have demonstrates that undocumented immigrants are similar to immigrants overall and that they do not increase rhyme rates. if anything, they're associated with reduction in crime. >> by the way, i get an email from you folks every day that i pay attention to. you don't have an ax to grind in the immigration battle, right? it's a law enforcement-kind of website that looks like data, am i wrong in that? >> the marshall project is a
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nonprofit news conversation covering criminal justice and organization in the united states. we didn't go into this with an opinion either way, we just wanted to look at the data and kind of use evidence on this ongoing discussion of whether or not undocument the immigrants are connected to crime. >> final question, why if the data says there's not a higher incidence of those coming here committing crime does this myth persist that it's otherwise? >> well, in trump speeches, we often hear him discuss criminal immigrants, particularly undocumented immigrants. and we also see the admissiadmi also targeting a lot targeting immigrants. what the data shows undocumented immigrants and immigrants overall, and if we want crime reduction to be successful they need to be evidence based and
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what else has come in? yes, 100% because every undocumented immigrant is criminal just by being here undocumented. okay, this is interesting. this is a question of do those who came here illegally lead to a higher incidence of crime, and that person's response is to say, yeah, because by their very nature their coming here illegally. the data from the marshal project and up shot of the times i think puts the lie to the argument that those who are coming here are involved in a higher incidence of crime. but it's harder to get people to focus on the data because it's such a good sound bite to say mexico is sending us ins. is elizabeth warren skipping the fox town hall meeting like hillary skipping wisconsin or one of the blue wall states in the 2016 election. history rhymes. that's a very good observation. i get it. she's using it as a means of distinguishing herself from the
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