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it's time for "reliable sources." how the news gets made and how all of us can help make it better. we have breaking news from alabama for the state's biggest newspapers making a pretty bold statement about the state's new extreme anti-abortion bill. later, we're going to get into the truth about president trump's weth and how business reporters are leading the way. >> we're keeping track of the administration's briefing room science. 69 days. why is it gene simmons is the only one standing at the
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pentagon podium. the new abnormal, and that's involving the t word, treason. the president is continuing to accuse members of the intelligence committee of treason, an idea that only makes sense if you subscribe to the sean hannity cinematic universe. trump tweeted out that his campaign was spied on, this was treason. he apparently liked the idea so much, he retweeted it, retweeting himself on saturday. why am i bringing it up now? the news media sighed, shrugged and moved on. even cries of treason are not enough to spark breaking news coverage any more. laura ingram barely took this idea seriously. >> treason means long jail sentences and this was treason. we're almost out of time, but treason? yes or no?
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>> it could be. >> yes or no answer for something as serious as this? i checked out the broadcast networks too, the only coverage, the only show i could find that mentioned it at all was a comedy show. >> he loves to say that there's a plot to prevent him from becoming president. who would have bothered plotting that. no one thought he had a chance. it's like voting that papa john's wouldn't take home the record for best pizza. >> i like papa john's pizza. what is the president's rhetoric doing, how is the news media reacting and how is bill barr's role in all this, why does he sound so much like sean hannity? cnn media guru. jane, first to you, is the press right to shrug off the
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president's extreme wild claims on twitter these days? >> i think so. we've seen time and time again there's a difference between trump's twitter feed and the trump administration, one of those has the power of law behind it. we've seen in court proceedings that trump's tweets don't matter, because he doesn't know anything and is just tweeting. it's a fascinating move from -- i remember 2016, 2017 where we saw real economic turmoil result about trump tweeting about a business. now, it's where trump airs his grievances it's like festivus all the time. >> there's a lot of rhetoric coming from bill barr that is similar to the presidents, also similar to sean hannity. let's take a look at how similar bill barr's language was with one of the biggest stars on fox.
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>> after a near three-year witch hunt was conducted into all things trump. >> i think i would be comfortable in saying it was a witch hunt. >> we should be worried about whether government officials abuse their power. >> democrats now fear the attorney general p.m. >> the attorney general will expose their hoax. >> they may be concerned about the outcome of a review of what happened during the election. >> so there we go, barr/hannity, hanni hannity/barr. >> if you didn't know any better, you may think that bill barr is one of the talking heads on fox news. delegitimizing a lot of the work the doj has done. it shouldn't be forgotten this came on fox news.
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bill bar gave this interview to fox and the wall street journal. i think it's clear what he's trying to do. he's trying to send a message to one person who happens to read the wall street journal and he's using the same rhetoric that trump uses. it's stunning, and i think one point to make too many outside the opinion personalities, some of the people on fox found it stunning. it looked like he was trying to defend the president. >> to protect the president. >> this is a cinematic universe. either you subscribe to this view of the world or you don't. the ones who do, are deeply committed to these theories, there was an attempt to take down president trump. >> we should be freaking out when we see the word treason. if we were to take this administration at its word, we should all be running around
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with chickens with their heads cut off. there is a disconnect between the twitter handle and what happens in the administration. that's also because a lot of the president's administration hasn't been listening to him, treats him like some kind of nutty figure head even though he guides immigration policy. precisely because of the dynamic you're talking about, about barr not being a challenge to trump, we should have it being taken seriously. we have the president of the united states tweeting, while we have an attorney general who sees himself as the wing man to the president. i know we're all tired and the press can't treat everything like a crisis. but it is a crisis. the words that the president of the united states is using matter. >> let waes use the example of something that's started on twitter and moved on into action. trump wants your tales of social
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media censorship. the white house is doing this to try to get your email address. white house came out with this announcement they want to hear if you feel you've been censored on social media. >> i think this is about a broader cultural war. they know that americans and the mid elf of the country, they think they're under attack by elitist institutions. part of that is the mainstream media, and now they're using big tech companies like facebook, google and twitter. you're under attack, and they're using that, fear mongering, and now apparently trying to build up some sort of database, to send updates. >> 2016 was about trump's attack on the media, this media. 2020 is on social media. and an attack -- >> why choose. in both instances, it's trump working the reps. it's making media companies
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defensive when they're told they have bias against conservatives. the concerning thing, the only entity that can infringe on the first amendment is the government. you have the arm of the federal government, i think we should take this seriously too, pressuring private companies that have a right to moderate their forums, under the law, pressuring them in order to stoke the grievance of your voters, and using the government for that, i do think does infringe on people's first amendment rights. >> you cover social media all the time. this is your focus at fox. >> i think they've proven to be very effective, i like to point out, there's a difference between conservatism and the gop you're hearing some, making the argument, maybe it's time to regulate facebook and twitter. because of section 230, facebook and twitter can kick off whoever
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they want and moderate your content. that is fine, they have those protections. now you're seeing folks on the conservative side saying, no, no, no, these companies are too big. it's surprising when you hear conservatives start sounding like teddy roosevelt. >> there's reason to worry about these tech companies. and how they enact their standards. it affects everybody. >> right, exactly, and you're seeing that time and time again, who should get to decide what gets kicked off and what doesn't. whose content gets monitored. there have been some instances in the guardian talking about how african-american activists have their work censored. but they had the fbi show up at their home. it's reflective of how important these tech companies become in
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every day life. why don't you get on gab or use another social media platform. the response is, no, this is how i reach my family, i want to do this. i feel as though i'm being censored. not phiing what they mean by censored. i think this should have gotten more reach than it did that's generally not what censorship is. >> it would make me have to have fans. >> i noted my instagram fans can't reach me. >> you were suspended or banned, then you get a bunch of fox news appearances, you shoot up. 1.2 are very serious issues. the problem is that they're being kploited by bad faith actors to suit their own political agenda. it would be great if congress, when it had people in front of the committees, they ask serious
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questions, instead they bring diamond and silk to come on and mislead the committee to make these claims. that's the problem. >> you have someone like senator ted cruz who should know better, section 230 requires platforms to be controlled. it doesn't. there's no requirement these platforms be neutral, it's not in the law. >> in terms of as much ass, if you do not aboyd by the rules, we will kick you off and civilization has rules, expect to follow them or face the consequences. >> precisely, exactly. >> elizabeth warren rejecting fox news, saying she's not going to show up for a town hall, but she's the only one right now.
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she and kamala harris have said they are not interested in appearing on fox. >> pete buttigieg wants to talk to the fox news audience. if we don't, the hosts are going to characterize us, and that's not something we should want. i find that argument to be a bit naive, if we don't go on fox and talk to them for an hour the audience isn't going to know what we're standing for. i think fox news, sean hannity, tucker carlson, these people are going to misrepresent and provide misinformation to the audience whether they go on or don't go on. i don't know if one hour of a town hall makes a difference. >> is he right that fox is a paid for profit racquet. >> this is a democratic primary and speaking squarely to the democratic primary audience. fox news is the way to reach
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conservatives, is insulting to conservatives. if there's anyone who's per swidable, they're not watching fox news. >> thank you. quick break, and then dust on the briefing room podium. what questions the white house is avoiding and why? later, winter is coming for game of thrones. we're going to talk with brian lowry about the importance of this program and how it changed television coming up. was... awesome. awesome. you have to scrub. what do they... they use for washing. ♪ ♪ let's do it every year. we'll do it every year. i thought you'd say that - let's do it. ♪ ♪ see how investing with a j.p. morgan advisor can help you. visit your local chase branch. it also has the highest growth in manufacturing jobs in the us. it's a competition for the talent. employees need more than just a paycheck. you definitely want to take advantage
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as a symbol of the trump white house's allergy to accountability, this is pretty perfect. quite literally gathering dust. someone has come in and dusted the podium. the briefing room isn't getting any use. this is an unprecedented drought. more than 2 months since sarah sanders last held an official press briefing. she's stopped doing what used to be a big part of the press secretary's job. here with me now the press secretary from the clinton white house much i think our viewers might be thinking, but sarah sanders just lies anyway, what's the point of a briefing? >> even if p she just lies, she will lie on camera. you will have it for history and posterit posterity. the questions matter, the white house has been able to kans -- through cancelling the briefings, slide by on a lot of
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things. the president tweeted this morning about the republican congressman who basically called for his impeachment. if he read the report, he would know this. no one's asked the president's press secretary if the president's read the report and been able to go into questions, what does he think about page 123? so the questions do matter and it does matter. i think in a much better sense, the briefing was a way for the public to stay engaged with the white house. if they wanted to, they could tune in every day and say, the white house has an ns for not just what the briefings have to say. >> other parts of the government are becoming less accessible as well. the pentagon has not had a representative standing at the podium in over a year. in light of all the concern
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about iran, concerns about iranian behavior, it's all the more reason why there's an issue not to have this access on cam are. >> they made it it unaccessible. military families depend on the pentagon briefing to know what their family members are doing. the pentagon has basically cut off access to all these families in the united states who have loved ones who are deployed. it creates confusion, and as the wall street journal reported this week, we almost went to war based on a misunderstanding, when you're out there answering questions, you don't have misunderstandings. >> how would you size up the coverage this week of the concern, the heightened tensions
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of iran, were there too many parts of the american media helping contribute to this war drum beating? >> there were no facts, so what you had was, speculation, and what the white house briefing allows you to do is put facts out there, and say, here's what the president believes, this is what he doesn't believe. and there's a second piece for why the briefing is important. if you have a briefing every day at 1:00, you are forced to make decisions. you can't just continue to kick them down the road. i can't tell you how many times there was a dispute, and there are two different policy people, if you want me to decide at 1:00, i will. it enforces a discipline and forces that discipline across the government which they don't have. >> there hasn't been a briefing since the mueller report came out.
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>> she admitted under oath that she lied. but there's no reason, the job isn't about sanders, it's about the person who represents the president to the public. they can get someone else and people can't prepare for that they can't take it live and put it on. so, you know, the -- whether it's sarah sanders or not, they ought to be doing these things. from my experience, someone sent me the statistic last week that during 1998 when the president of the united states was being impeached, the clinton press office did more briefings than any briefing at any period of time at the white house. one of the reasons we did that, is because we had an agenda, we did it every single day. the white house responds, all they do is respond to whatever
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the media drives every day, it's not oath a -- something that the public has lost, it's something the white house has lost. >> has lost. joe, great to see you, thanks for being here. one more note about upcoming books, the mueller report still number one in paperback. in two weeks, a new book comes out. michael wolff's sequel to fire and fury. it will be equally as explosive as the first, and i have a feeling the white house will want to respond to that book. president trump, the hunt for his tax returns. information about his tax returns and his past. the third stair always creaked.
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trump was asked more about his business dealings. his past, present and future is one of the best beats in journalism now. of course, trump the businessman has been a big story for a decade. back in 1990, he made his first solo appearance on the cover of forbes magazine. it detailed his growing losses and debt, leading trump to publicly slam the publication. >> it says you have a debt about 3.2 billion and you're losing money at the rate of $40 million a year. >> forbes has been after me for years, consistently after me. they took properties and devalued the properties. >> trump's true net worth is something journalist was trying to crack. it exposed a lot more, revealing
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trump lost more money than any other individual american taxpayer between 1985 and 1994, that's one of the recent explosive reports we've seen across the press. the washington post has been covering his misuse of charity donations. exposing ivanka trump's relationship with donald trump's finances. countless reports of hiring undocumented immigrants. to work at his hotels and golf clubs. cnn spoke with 19 undocumented immigrants who say they work for trump and believe he had to have known about their status. stories about trump and his businesses come from many different angles. there's a lot to report on. at the same time, there have been a lot of times the -- a lot of cases over the past few decades where the press has lifted trump up, made him seem richer than he actually was.
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this is not just on the apprenti apprentice, this was on the pages of it newspapers. they took his word for his wealth. in 1994, trump tricked the press into reporting princess diana and prince charles were joining mar-a-lago. is just -- buckingham palace had to come out and slam the report as utter rubbish a week later. the new york times was guilty of trump's images. this was back in 1986, taughted him as tall, lean and blonde. he looks ever so much like robert redford. he kind of did back then. in 1984, he pretended to be a trump organization official and lied about his finances so he could be in the forbes 400 list. and it worked.
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>> what's your first name? >> john. >> first of all, most of the assets have been consolidated to mr. trump. you can -- >> from accepting his claims as fact to now exposing trump where it hurts him the most. the financial beat time and time again is where this action is. with me now is susan craig she's been on the team covering trump's tax returns. >> most recently your investigation a decade in the read. why do you think -- and there's so much focus on this topic now. >> i think the. >> they have subpoena power, requesting his taxes, things are moving. that's been in the last six months really critical in terms of, he's fighting, it appears he's willing to go to court it's
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created. >> going back decades and looking at some of those in the past, how much of the press is at fault for building up trump's image as a billionaire businessman. >> i think they're very complicit. for years his wealth was sensationalized. it allowed for him to create this myth that started when he was really very young. there's been people who questioned it along the way. >> right. >> you even noted our article that we wrote in 1976 from "the new york times." that article said he was worth, just repeated his claim, $200 million. everything he was claiming in that article pretty much everything was owned by his father. we now know looking back. he reported taxable income that year of $25,000. at the same time he was telling the new york times he was worth $200 million. it was a spectacular con. it was repeated and that lie was sewn into history.
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>> there were people all along questioning his wealth? >> there were many reporters contributing to a narrative that was inflated? >> yes. i think you see those are the exception not the rule. people loved the glamour, we've gone back and looked at interviews he's done, and people were interviewing him in his helicopter and penthouse. they loved the dazzle of it. >> nobody really did know what was there? >> it's starting to come out as we get a lot of these financials -- >> you wonder who is being built up right now, the way trump was being built up in the '80s. >> you and i were in phoenix over the weekend at this business conference. what do you sayre to young journalists who want to be doing what you're doing? >> question claims. it doesn't matter who they're from, question, and be skeptical of things. donald trump is an example, he sets the tracks down for a narrative and it can get
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repeated over and over and it's wrong and it becomes something that's assumed and it's wrong and you see now it's incredible when you look at even the last story we did, we looked at ten years, '85 to '95, the year he wrote "art of the deal" he had $42.4 million in core business losses that year. if there was any period i would have guessed not having seen his taxes, when i first saw. i would have thought, maybe the year he wrote that book. i don't know, i grew up in the prairies, there's a saying, all hot and no tot for guys that do stuff like this. you see that with him and how this has continued. it's amazing when we go back and try to rewind it. those are more powerful. >> we've had now a tax return. and as well, we've had a huge amount of tax and banking information on his father that's given us this incredible look.
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that was a story we did last year. >> still a lotto learn, though. susan, great to see you. a voice about the abortion debate you may not be used to herring. the safer you drive, the more you save. don't worry, i'm not using my phone and talking to a camera while driving... i'm being towed. by the way, i'm actually a safe driver. i'm just pretending to be a not safe driver. cool. bye dennis quaid! when insurance is affordable, it's surprisingly painless. they're america's bpursuing life-changing cures. in a country that fosters innovation here, they find breakthroughs... like a way to fight cancer by arming a patient's own t-cells... because it's not just about the next breakthrough... it's all the ones after that.
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leaders of the democratic party. for over two years, this president has broken the law... and nothing happened. you told us to wait for the mueller investigation. and when he showed obstruction of justice... nothing happened. when this president took money from foreign governments and blocked the release of his tax returns... nothing happened. and when his administration illegally refused to testify nothing happened. now you tell us to wait for the next election? really? really? really? this is why we volunteered, raised money, went door to door and voted in the last election. our founding fathers expected you - congress - to hold a lawless president accountable. and you're doing nothing. nothing. nothing. he broke his oath of office. he's defying you. he's laughing at you. and he's getting away with it. this is our democracy. but congress is part of the system and the system is broken. we have to fix it. need to impeach is responsible
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weeks and months ahead. listen to the voices you hear, and try to notice what you don't hear as well. i want to show you a few clips from religious broadcasters and how this abortion issue is being recov recovered. >> abortion is more important than life? >> p perpetuates this culture of death? >> i'm joined by the host of prolife weekly. thanks for being here. a lot of viewers are going to be surprised to here there is a weekly program devoted to prolife issues. >> we are the largest religious media necessity work. >> do you see it somewhere in between media news and fox broadcasters? >> even a distinction between christian and catholic media.
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we are beholden to what the catholic church teaches. >> what are you focusing on on your program that is lost in the mainstream news coverage of this topic. the nightly news coverage. >> in are lots of things we need to cover. this week i will welcome a woman who was conceived in rape. i want to highlight one thing that i think is an egregious mistake. i've been seeing a lot of mainstream media. i don't mean to be little or bully mainstream media, but there's egregious mistake that alabama would incriminate women, that's not true at all. this is being pushed in groups like business insider, glamour magazine. >> so they're misreading the bill? >> i think they're misreading the bill. maybe not reading it at all. women will not be incriminated, it will only be abortionists.
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>> what do you see from your audience, what they want to know more about. if in all or most cases, even among catholics, 51% of catholics say it should be legal in most cases. 58%. do you sense that divide within your broadcasting world? >> i think ewtn viewers are catholics and attending mass regularly. my viewers keep my on my toes, they are closely follow prolife legislation. if i don't cover one specific bill, they ask, how come you didn't cover this. they prioritize life in the voting booth. >> when you say prioritize life, they're so focused on the 40 weeks for pregnancy. and not the 40 or 80 years of a person's life after that. >> there's a misconception that the prolifers are only probirth.
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that's not true. we want to uphold the sanctity of every life. if you look at the way they define prolife, they refer to it as anti-abortion. they describe prochoicers as proabortion rights. they paint people who perpetuate abortion in a positive life. while i'm certainty anti-abortion, i believe in the sanctity of every human life, especially those in the womb. >> at cnn we're discouraged from saying prolife or prochoice, people can describe them however they want, for us, it's abortion rights advocates. >> of course mainstream media, if you will, is going to file what the style says, that is why shows like ours are so important, so we can give a voice to prolifers. >> you have a decent amount of access to the trump
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administration? >> they have been very -- in some cases, not always responsive, recently mike pompeo made some prolife announcements. we put out a request and he responded. they realize the importance of having religious media covering what they are doing, and especially on the life issue. there are more catholics in the world than there are more citizens. it's not like it's a niche network or anything, it's a huge communities we serve. >> you're speaking outside the united states? >> yes. more on this in a moment. including local leaders in alabama, what they put on their front page this morning, right after this. where you can live, work, and play in real time for the first time ever. 5g is now in your hands. be first to real time with verizon 5g ultra wideband. get the new samsung galaxy s10 5g.
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we're back, talking about coverage of anti-abortion legislation. the headline here, i don't even know how to talk to the other side about this. the three biggest papers in the state of alabama are banding together to put this on the front page. this is the same front page in all the papers. they've elevated women's voices in alabama. they feel the debate in the legislature is so male dominated, so the voices of 200 women in alabama own the cover of the big papers there. how would you size up the coverage in the past week of these bills, and -- we're talking about this as it's
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happening suddenly, it's the best slow motion story picking up steam lately. >> i've been covering the debate. it's obvious the last two weeks, people have started paying attention to it. i think it's a tricky story to cover accurately for anybody, because these are the state of intensity laws to ban abortion in -- 100% at all times. but in the short term, they're not going to go into effect. i think there's a tension between showing the true impact of the laws which would be to cut off abortion access entirely, and show that the short term reality that it's not going to happen. you had a lot of abortion providers talking about how their patients are calling them, and they're so worried they have to cancel their appointments. we don't want to spread misinformation but we want people to know what the stakes are. >> tracking misinformation that's spreading about abortion. what is the biggest point of
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misinformation that's out there. is it that these bills are not going into effect? >> there's a few things. one, i think a point of misinformation implies there's a 5050 situation. you cite is in your previous segment. a majority of the country supports legal access to abortion. if you put aside fuzzy words like prolife and prochoice, but people don't define the terms. you have a majority of the americans supporting roe versus wade. you can slice and dice it anyway you want. that's the fact that comes out. you have a very engaged minority. >> is this intensity. one side much more passionate and intention about an issue than the other side? >> i know many intense abortion activists. it's the case that in states like georgia and missouri, the political process has been such that people have taken over
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their local parties. they have been in the grassroots, running crisis pregnancy centers. they have been creating their own media. anti-abortion voters -- by the way, there are anti-contraception also voting on this. a lot of these laws have misinformation embedded in them. as journalists should be careful. even fetal heartbeats. at six weeks, there is no heart, there's is electric pulse that sounds like a heartbeat. there are laws that make claims that abortion causes cancer. again -- or that a fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks, these are all completely disproven facts. we have to make it clear these are political plays and not factual or medical -- >> not factual claims.
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you wrote for months about how people think this alabama law has gone too far? >> we have to separate going too far morally and strategically. you're hearing from a lot of conservatives and there are a number of conservatives who support abortion rights. but i would say the vast majority think of themselves as opposing abortion. for both alabama, georgia, missouri the support that's gotten has been largely on the basis that these bills are morally correct. the example, though, i think ben shapi shapiro, the abolition of slavery and saying, you -- not everyone can be william lloyd garrison going as hard against what these groups or people believe to be the evil of abortion, when they need to think about the strategic outlets. there are concerns that the alabama bill with the lack of exceptions with regard
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for example, when someone raised the point about, what would happen to a fertilized egg at a fertility clinic, and the response was, well, that doesn't count, that's not a woman, she's not pregnant. so the response being -- >> so they're targeting women. >> it starts to look, even if you are a pro-life voter, it starts to look like this has less to do with protecting life and more to do with targeting women, who might be wanting to take care of their own bodies. but i think that how this issue -- it's really important, and i've been explaining -- my spouse is from outside the united states, where this issue is not as big a deal. but i've been trying to explain, this has been a near-40-year debate we've been having in the united states. and especially, pro-life voters having conversations with each other. you heard that during the partial birth abortion controversy and you've heard that since. but there are some conservatives who are concerned, even if this is morally correct, it's strategically a bad idea, especially if you're hoping to get it before the supreme court. >> right.
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all right. i have a confession. i've never seen "game of thrones." but i think i'm the only one left. i mean, look at these ratings, 43 million people are watching all of these episodes in the final season. so tonight is the final episode, the final season, so i'm giving it over to you, brian lowry. you've got a minute. tell us what i'm missing. what's the significance of "game of thrones"? >> i think "game of thrones" is really kind of the perfect show in a way for ths age of television. the analogy i've used is that if the sopranos and "star wars" had a baby, it would be "game of thrones." so it's a show with a serialized story line that people can get into and the passionate fan base of a "star wars" movie or the "avengers" franchise that gets people talking about it at a moment where everybody is on twitter making you feel like you have to watch it. you know, the one misconception there, brian, is that you are not in the minority, obviously. it's just that if you're on twitter tonight at about 10:20,
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you're going to feel like you're in the minority. >> right. that's a very good point. so i have 15 seconds left. is it too late for me to start binge watching it from the very beginning? >> well, the episodes will be there forever, so, tonight is the 73 railroad episode. if you don't care if you've heard a few things, you can start now and you'll be done in about three or four weeks. >> all right. maybe i'll try it. brian lowry, thanks so much. good to see you. we'll have full coverage after the finale on cnn.com. thanks for joining us and we'll see you right back here this time next week. what?! i'm here to steal your car because, well, that's my job. what? what?? what?! (laughing) what?? what?! what?! [crash] what?! haha, it happens. and if you've got cut-rate car insurance, paying for this could feel like getting robbed twice. so get allstate... and be better protected from mayhem... like me.
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