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you. that means to mock you. to taunt you. and to give us strong repent. that is what we are here for. >> this building right here is the one place that a woman in the state of mississippi can get an abortion. these people out here show up every day to harass women going in there. that means it has to be one of the hardest days of a woman's life. >> these people show up to make it that much harder. this week in the united shades of america, we are in jackson, mississippi. talking about reproductive rights, reproductive justice, childbirth, sex education and women's health overall. we are also talking about this. >> you spit on the cross and you hate god. >> no matter what side of the issue you are on, we have to agree this is totally [ bleep ] up. i don't throw it around. i get one.

do you believe in punishment for abortion. >> there has to be a form of punishment. >> to the woman? >> yeah. >> people worry about access to abortion. in the two years he has been president, you were right to worry. carry on, worriers. >> exposing and defunding america's killing machine. >> look, i know it would be easy to do a show on the abortion debate. people get fired up and fire up on twitter. when we started making the show, i thought we were doing that. >> there is no debate. >> we're filmed a couple of interviews with antiabortion activists. >> what's there to debate?

>> after spending a week in jackson, mississippi, a women's right is a small part of a bigger discussion. reproductive justice. justice is a social movement started by women of color that includes reproductive rights, but also looks at right to have a child, the right to not have a child. the right to parent the children you have and control birthing options and the right to health care and sex education and much more. it doesn't just focus on women, but transand binary folks as well. some of you are googling right now. for some people all that matters is the fetus. >> i believe all human life is worthy of the protection of our laws. >> thanks, marco. >> if you are a pregnant woman because there is a concept that what is inside of you is more important and is a operate

person with individual rights, you can be arrested, crimin criminalized and prosecuted. if there is death to a fetus or any harm. when you think about it, 15 to 20% of women who become pregnant experience a pregnancy loss. all of these women when they have an abortion or a miscarriage or stillbirth all benefit from roe vs. wade and are all deserving of their constitutional rights and human rights and dignity and respect. they are not getting it. >> yes. that's where you come in. >> this is ann williams for national advocates for pregnant women to fight against the criminalization of pregnancy. a phrase too crazy to admit is real. >> when are we talk about mississippi specifically, a mississippi woman who is born and black and a mother and a wife and had a pregnancy loss had stillbirth at home. >> the grand jury indicts a mother for killing her newborn.

>> there are a lot of reasons why a woman in her situation would have a home birth. what is happening because of the concept that comes out of your vagina, you are responsible for it and you have to guarantee everything is perfect about it. she is being prosecute and criminalized. that's also true of a lot of other women like angela carter who is a woman who had been battling cancer for many years and ended up pregnant. because she was pregnant, she was 26 weeks pregnant decided we have to save the baby. not her. so over her objections and family's objections and treating ob's objections, they got a court order and performed a c-section and the baby came out and lived for two hours. she died two days later. >> that's d.c. that's not mississippi. >> and that's like i don't want anyone to think it's just

mississippi and just the south. >> 35-year-old dre is the mother of three boys. her first two were delivered by c-section which involves difficult recovery. in 2011, she was determined to have her baby naturally through vaginal birth after c-section or vbac. >> she goes in to have it with different doctors. no, we want you to have a c-section. i don't want it. they go back and forth. they tie her down and cut her open and puncture her bladder. i know. when i heard this, i was like where am i? where am i? i'm in the united states. i'm in the united states. >> welcome to the handmaid's tale. >> whatever we turn it into. >> you have to think about what is wrong with us as a whole? where did we get broken?

>> that's what called me to this work, but the ways in which i can be impacted by this ideology of women are supposed to put aside everything and constitutionally if you think about our constitution and gaining constitutional rights. when the 13th amendment was ratified to the states, enslaved people were added to the conclusion. white men in power did not lose their rights though. if we add fetuses, embryos and fertilized eggs to the constitution and say they are persons and personhood and deserve constitutional rights, there is no way not to subtract a woman. she will not have a right to liberty. she will not have a right to privacy. she will not have a right to free speech or due process or equal protection. you are literally ripping a woman out of the constitution which is the opposite of what roe did. >> the difference between reproductive rights and

reproductive justice. that's not something i really understood as being differently and we are not looking at this in a 360 degree way. >> you hear reproductive rights and you think that's abortion. i don't need to think about abortion. it's put beautifully by audrey lord. there is no single issue struggle because we are not single issue people. if you want healthy babies, then you have to take care of the woman to make sure she is healthy. you can't just focus on poverty and generational poverty without thinking about the wage gap or reproductive health care and not just rights. all of these issues intersect and we can't deal with one. >> all of those things coming to and the inequities and injustice come in the body of one pregnant woman. >> stop the patriarchy. >> thank you.

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there, that's hard. ♪ >> per if we are going to talk about reproductive justice in mississippi, we have to talk about this. >> i'm the vice chairman of the freedom democrat party. >> fanny lou haimer is a civil rights icon, the first woman of any race from mississippi to be an official delegate at the democratic national convention. she's a bad ass. what most people don't know is fanny lou had her own reproductive justice stolen. she was given a hysterectomy without consent.

about 60% of the black women were forcibly sterilized. >> it's time for us to do something about this. >> her life's work inspired injustice. people like this. >> living legends are all over the place. >> they are just in the streets. >> this is where dorothy moore cut it. this is history. >> she's a black activist and head of the freedom fund and engaging in black roots activ m activism. you know she was at the kavanaugh hearings. i don't think as a whole we understand how much history came out from blam people. >> not at all. >> there are people we focus on. >> i like to tell people that the blue states love to crap on mississippi. the strategies that people are using to win the fights for civil rights and equity and justice are techniques that came out of the struggle in

mississippi. without the fight of fanny lou haimer and everyday people throughout the state, we wouldn't have all of the things we have today. >> you can talk about how you came to this? >> day while here in jacksonville, i was asked to come to reproductive justice training. i don't like people to think i'm stupid. i said girl, great. i had to go home and google it and this was the dopest thing i had ever heard of. reproductive justice is human rights. it starts and ends at parenting as a human right. access to health care as a human right, including abortion, including birth control. including the right to be sexual as a human right. for pleasure, not for precreation is a rule an right. those are things i never heard before am i didn't know what reproductive justice was, but i was living it.

i'm a rain survivor and incest survivor. molestation survivor. i had seven children by the time i was 25. i almost died when i had a miscarriage at a catholic hospital. i had gone through false allegations with cps. right to parent is sacred to me. i cried during the training. they had to stop because i was weeping. it resonated with me and my spirit. i'm here to fight for that every day. >> there is a part of this that you are involved with about the intersectionality of the issues. >> of course. >> we made this mistake on the show of putting the community separate from the rest of us. >> we're walk among you. >> yes, you do. i learned that. >> one of the things that makes it easier for me to talk about, the intersections between access to health care and the disability community and how we

disproportionately get bat care and putting race and class on top of that and where you live on top of that, you are talking about multiple barriers. one of the things i talk about is how hard it is for disabled people to access abortion care. it's not built for people with disabilities, right? to get people on to a table or a table that goes down far enough or any of those things. all of those barriers are the barriers that we talk about a lot. if you talk about reproductive rights and reproductive health access and recognized as a sexual autonomous being. that's another level of just wtf. welcome to mississippi. this ain't over. >> she's right. as my dad likes to say, mississippi is number one in all the wrong things. immortality. gon rea chlamydia and syphilis

and teen pregnancy. it's 50 in health care and 48 in economy and 49 in infrastructure. my question is, if you have all those issues, why are you screwing up sex ed? you have bigger fish to fry and you like frying fish. you might be number in fish fry. >> sex education should be made as simple as abc. >> is sex ed laws mandate a lot of things. they separate the kids by gender as if there are only two. in the me too era, shouldn't we all be talking about this stuff? >> par want to know about sexual intercourse. this happens like this. >> all they are allowed to talk about is ab ty nens or abstinence plus. kids, don't have sex. because it's mississippi, they throw god in there. kids, don't have sex because god

said so. abstinence plus is didn't we say god said don't have sex. that means they are allowed to talk about contraception. just talk about it. i'm sure they are not doing demonstrations. they don't control what i do so the people of mississippi, here's hour you put on a condom. you never have to worry about a banana getting you pregnant. you're welcome. it ain't up to me to have safe sex ed in mississippi. they got on the internet and figured it out for themselves. call teen help mississippi. they come to the state capital to draft a new bill they hope becomes a law and they are modelling it after california. my home state has to show the nation how it's done. remember when we smoked in restaurants? >> in my school, there was an abstinence only class. our pe teacher yelling about sex

is bad. there wasn't anything about lgbt education or anything like that. that alienated me. are they going to do the same to me? >> had i had training about healthy relationships, consent, what is a good healthy relationship between two people in a relationship romantically, it would have changed the course of my and my peers' life. >> we are talking about the physical nature of sex and so much is about the value of a healthy relationship versus the negative value. >> we leave that out using abstinence only. >> it's not something that you talk about at home with your parents and it's left in the space of there can only be negative things about sex. it's nothing positive. a poster on the wall is circle

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hearing about the one person in the reproductive justice world i had to meet. a spoken word poet and an activist. >> literally you represent women's reproductive abilities. right now. >> amanda and her husband dexter have four kids and getting ready to have their first baby together. let's go back to the beginning. >> what was sex education like here when you were growing up? >> if you kiss, you get pregnant. if you get pregnant, i ain't raising it. >> human sexuality in two sentences. >> exactly. there was also this other cool thing where you take home the baby or the sack of potatoes. i don't know what you do. >> we had a sugar baby. the five-pound bag of sugar. >> i thought that was only sitcoms from the 80s. >> mississippi is a sitcom from

the 80s. >> the facts of life and different strokes or something. >> yes and we had those babies, but we didn't have the education around. >> amanda grew up in mississippi where things were very different. >> it came with age and really just started exploring myself as a sexual being and becoming a woman. i was with this guy and that was my first relationship where i was very physically intimate and we got pregnant and he asked me what do you want to do about it. that was the first time i heard that language. you get pregnant and you have babies. that's it. he was like no, you don't have to have a baby if you don't want to. i was like -- i thought about it like you're right, i don't want to have a baby. so i went through the termination. i promised myself i will never do this again. two years later, i met a guy i

thought i loved. the first time we had sex, i was pregnant. this guy was like oh, we are not having a baby. i was like what? it was devastating. i terminated that pregnancy. maybe a year or a year and a half later i was pregnant again and i knew i cannot terminate this pregnancy. >> par committed to yourself next time i'm doing it. >> i gotta do it, but emotionally it was terrible. my partner was just not a partner. it was pretty bad. when she w when he was born, it was a huge sense of relief from pregnancy to labor and delivery to now we have a kid. i didn't have anybody in my life that was with me other than my partner who was toxic. we ended upcoming back to jackson to get out of this toxic

situation. i had a chance to really experience the world, so coming back here, it was traumatic for me to come back here and be like okay. i didn't know at the time i was pregnant. by the same partner. i felt like because of the trauma around titan, why would i have another baby? i'm barely taking care of this baby. i saw an ad that was like you think you're pregnant, we can help. for me it was like i know what this means. >> amanda thought she was going to an abortion clinic and she was one of the millions who are tricked into going to places like these. this is a crisis pregnancy center in west virginia run by antiabortion activists and the goal is to get you to go here as opposed to the actual abortion clinic over here. >> i had my mom take me to this clinic place that and they put me in a room.

this room has religious stuff around. >> the room has to be religious in the south for someone to say it's religious because everyone has stuff. >> an old black lady came to me. >> they're brought the closer in. >> the old black lady comes in. is this your first pregnancy? no, this is not my first pregnancy. i have a baby. she said do you have a picture of your baby? i take out a picture of my son on my cell phone. she said what if somebody killed titan? i said oh, this must be what hell is like. now i'm going to say look, i'm going to terminate this pregnancy. she said well, we have to go through steps. you have to come back here to get that information for another appointment. >> this is all lies.

>> i hadn't looked at the abortion laws. >> of course not. >> i'm still -- >> why would you do that? let's take a look at the timeline. mississippi like many other states that said you have to get an abortion by 20 weeks and they failed to get to down to 15 weeks and they proposed it should be six weeks and the crisis center's goal is to confusion and distract before it's too late to have the abortion that they have no intention of giving you in the first place. >> i knew it was over. it's over. there is no way i will be able to terminate this pregnancy. i realized it was over. i was postpartum and depressed about having another baby and being in this situation. i was really dead. just a walking zombie. i don't know how titan survived

it. i wasn't a real person at that time. i was just doing what i had to do. when he was born, he was a beautiful baby. we cried. he was perfect. >> did you ever have regrets about the two pregnancies you terminated? >> yes and no. yes because i knew they were -- they had the potential to be this person, but no because i don't know. it was so early. >> you don't think of them as babies? >> yeah. it might sound harsh, but there is a misconception of why people have abortions and what they mean. you have to think about if a woman feels like she has to go through these hoops and expose herself to these thousands of ideas in her own best interest, how can you not respect that?

>> so how different is this pregnancy from all that odyssey we talked about? >> it's kind of full circle. he said what do you want to do. that was my first indication that my body belongs to me and this is my decision. that was powerful to me. when he said that, i was like i guess we are having a baby. >> there is a difference of what do you want to do and what are you going to do. you have been very quiet while she told the story. i assume you have heard the details before, otherwise you might have questions. >> what? stop the cameras. everybody out! >> i know. >> i feel like i went through a mini series or something. i should have paid admission. >> this is the couple who wanted to get away. that led to the ride ♪ >> today i'm going to the only

place in the entire state of mississippi where a person can get an abortion. the pink house. due to the nature of mississippi's laws and the number of doctors available, they only see patients three days a week. it's pretty quiet around here. no patients, no protesters. i didn't know what to expect, but what i found was bad ass women busy at work. diane is the owner. >> ultrasounds are done here and

this tells us where she is in the pregnancy. we go to 16 weeks here in this clinic. after that she will have to go to another state. >> you can come here if you are 15 weeks and find out you are 16 weeks after you have gone through the gauntlet and maybe you come off work and you have to figure out another state. >> and start the process over. as states continually pass these kinds of things, it makes it more difficult. >> a growing number of states increase said the number of regulations on abortion clinics from coupling to dr. s and privileges. all that added up to clinics struggling to remain open. seven states only have one abortion clinic. >> this has been like the canary in the coal mines. knowing that whatever they are experimenting with here is coming to you soon. i always think one oust four fwhem this country had an abortion. chances are pretty good that

someone know has been through someone's doors like this. it should be a positive experience. for me, it's just such a privilege to be with someone who needs someone during a difficult period of their life. does a fetus have any value? absolutely, but that woman is the living human being. we never take our eyes off of that. that's what's important. >> now let's meet my favorite person. ms. betty. >> it was happen stance that brought us here in 1995. someone told me that you got free time, go up and help the ladies at the clinic. so i did that and after a few years, i was directed here before i retired. in about '04. >> i heard you mentioned word retired twice. >> i keep doing that. >> why do you keep doing this work? >> i enjoy what i'm doing and

feel like i'm making a difference. >> i can't tell how old you are because good black don't crack. >> you are the smartest man i know. >> you must have -- if you retired in 95 -- >> i'm 71 this year. one of the things i have been doing here lately, i have voter registration forms and before i talk to my group, i offer them the forms. then the next one is birth control and then i go into the counseling session. it's all connected. it's all connected. my mantra is people in my generation died for this. people in my generation was beaten for this. so i don't care if they don't want to hear it. i tell them anyway. >> down the hall from ms. betty is the director of the clinic along with her many duties. >> these people are very dangerous. a lot of them are on this terrorist list.

we keep a dossier. this is spread throughout the united states. everyone that is pro choice. they have copies and a lot of these people are on here. >> crazy. i don't mind. i just don't feel safe. if you are looking there and not reacting. >> shannon got the start when she came in for a part-time job and she took it all personally on top of being a mother of six. >> you are a strong person to do this work every day. what makes you keep doing the work? >> because it's needed. once you realize why you are here, it's hard for you to leave. i know the patients need this place. i know that patients and people need abortions and need to be able to make a choice by themselves. when you never have been in situations, you don't get it. these women come in here, i get

it. there were a lot of situations i have been in. i get it. how can you judge? how dare you judge me. we had people stand over and have to come here years later. you don't wake up and say man, i think i'm going to have an abortion today. that's not the point and they don't get that. they don't get it. i had to learn that my job was not to convince those people. my job was to help and hold up the ones trying to walk in and let them know they can hold their head high and that's okay. i go out there once in a while. >> it's part of your brain. i have been staring at the screen long enough. get it out of your system and get back in to do the work and stare at the screen. >> i need the break. yeah, i do that.

>> i had a great time talking with these ladies. let's be honest. this is not a regular day here. we went back the next day. while there were a lot more protesters, i noticed something. it's thinning out. i think it's the cameras. the families are leaving. we come every day, we can solve this problem. they should hire fake cameras to show up. with empty boxes. >> you are killing your child! >> these videos that were recorded are a lot more like a typical day. >> today can be a day that a crazy man kills you. >> remember that bullshit. you can google it yourself. >> this is the behavior you would never see from adults anywhere else. >> we're talked to the volunteers. they deal with this crap all the time. >> you are volunteering. you are not on the payroll and not giving george soros money. >> i have never seen a check.

i always thought where is my check. >> we're need to talk to hr. i move and they didn't get my address. tell me what your job is. >> you are here to escort patients from their car to the clinic door. >> the woman comes to the end of this street which is a block away and they will stalk you. >> this is so intense. >> what are made you decide to do this? >> it's a woman's choice. she should have that choice. it frustrated me. through accessing health care. they shouldn't have to walk back alone. i need to be here. it's a shame. i shouldn't have to be. as long as they are on the sidewalk interfering with the woman's right to choose. >> you are soldiers. you are like protecting the fort. >> we are. they're still going to stand here, but we won't let them. you want to harass our patients, you have to earn it.

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laughs ♪ while it's true that the state of mississippi is as great as can be, jackson is a blue dot in a sea of red. i thought the mayor after the state of the union to see what he thinks what's going on. >> i greatly disagree with the way people have been harassed as they have entered into women's health clinic. that's something we are focused on eradicating. >> he said something that many women in my life wish more men

would say. >> i cannot tell a woman what she can and can't do. >> i'm trying not to hug you. >> men who love telling women what to do love it when it involves two words. planned parenthood. >> why go to planned parenthood because they are abortionists. get your pills from somewhere else. >> would be happy to do that, but the only other place offering health care would not give them to me. where is this magical other place? is it perhaps in the harry potter books? >> this is dawn, a journalist and story teller here in jackson. before you go judgy about her birth control, slow down. >> when i was 19, i told my mom, my period is not normal. this has been going on for five years and all of my girlfriends know when aunt flo is coming for a visit. it's always a big surprise for me. she said that's not good.

she knew something was wrong and we went to the doctor together. that's when they found that i have polycystic ovaries. every month when your ovaries release an egg and sends it on its way to either make a baby or have a period, apparently my body is super stubborn and wanted to hang on to things and they were forming a big sift around my ovaries. >> according to the cdc, polycystic ovary syndrome affects up to five million women and is a lifelong condition with many serious consequences. >> the doctor said look, it's a good thing we caught this early, we need to put ow medicine and that was birth control pills and was fine and dandy until i was unemployed. i was about to run out of pills. there was a free clinic and the guy rushed in and he does the blood pressure and looking at my face and ears and said you're good. i said well, actually, i also

need these two prescriptions filled and one was birth control pills. he said we don't do that here, but planned parenthood does. here's the number. that's not my jam. peace out. he just left. >> that's not medicine we get involved with. i made my point with planned parenthood, never having been there before. i found it because the protesters were outside. it didn't occur to me that where i'm going is a controversial place to go. because of the protesters. >> you are not going for the i don't want to have a baby, but that's your business. you are going because you need this for your health. >> this is the only place i can get it without having health insurance. park the car and walked through these bro pro testers in my face and screaming. baby killer! you need to give your baby sisecosa second chance and i walked in

and the doctor saw me and i got three months of pills for $10 and walked out, back through the protesters. >> planned parenthood is one of the leading providers of affordable health care for everyone. it's the only place where 3% of their work is abortions. the rest is sti and hiv testing and treatment, contraception, support groups for the lgbt community and cancer screenings for everyone but hey, if you just want to go for birth control pills or an abortion, that's fine, too. >> when the three months ran out, i couldn't face them again. i felt so attacked. i told my dad. and being daddy's girl, as a grown woman, my dad went and picked them up for me. >> that's dad goals for me.

>> that's how we roll. >> not everyone has the options of asking somebody else. >> they don't. >> a lot of people i talked to about this talk about the impact of how it affects poor women of color, specifically black women. you don't seem like you're in that category. i'm not trying to shame your finances outside of a thing but i think you as this person that not thinking in those ways and not prepared to have doors closed to you is having doors closed to you. >> when you look at access to health care, there are certain groups that don't have that and it's based on where they live or their financial situation or the color of their skin or all three. going through that and seeing what challenges some of the women that don't have the opportunities i had or had since, makes me realize we got to do a better job of making things available to everybody. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. (paul) great.

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before i left town, i went to talk to my new friend, laurie. >> so we do what's called practical support for people when they need to come into town

to have an abortion. so we pay for gas and hotel rooms and people's medication. their hand for procedures and we also help them get birth control if they want it after their procedure. >> just to be clear, abortion is one part of what you do but certainly not all of it. >> not at all. we started helping people who are parenting so we give away diapers. we do work with racial justice. we bailed people out of jail who have been prosecuted in reproductive justice ways so we bailed out latice fisher. in a lot of ways, we're more like a grass roots social service agency than we are an abortion fund. we do a lot of things. >> it's about supporting women where they need support. ultimately, to me, that's what i think about when i think about the south. there is a very strong community

of what do you need? i got you. i would like people to think about that when they think about mississippi. >> when i moved here, i was escaping a domestic violence relationship, right? the whole plan on me coming here was so i could establish my life and get my mom and kids and go to graduate school but when i came here and i lived here for my first two years on campus, i computed back and forth and my mom kept my kids and my mama got sick and when that happened, my roommate and her family in mississippi let me live on their property for free for the first month. we stayed out there that whole summer. my church members here, i'm about to cry, took up a collection for me so that my kids could get new clothes. made sure my kids had birthday gifts. people who i don't even feel like liked me at jackson state and gossiped about me, i didn't even think i liked took up and got me supplies for my house when i moved for the next

semester at jackson. made sure i had cleaning supplies and a house and i got things like there is a spirit of love and connection and like looking out for folks in the south that you can't really explain. that's how we've survived. there is no coincidence that's how black folks are down here, right? because we wouldn't survive if we weren't. >> we would still be here. >> are you funded well enough to take care of the women that reach out to you? >> i know you real funny. awe, come on. you so funny. >> thanks. the answer to that question is. >> hell no. >> yeah. >> so it may be a surprise mississippi has people doing a ton of work of reproductive justice but mississippi and the entire nation need a lot more but if we focus on the birth of a child, we leave out everything that happens before and after

they are born. why am i trying to tell you how this works. bring in my closer. >> all of you here have to be concerned, not only do we have to be concerned about hunger but we also have to be concerned about peace in this country. and people being shot down in the streets in the name of the law. the education has to be changed and young people have to help make this change because you know as well as i know that america is sick. we are going to have to stand up. then we have to figure out how woe we going to make things right for all people in this country because your freedom is shackled and chained to mine.

and if you think you are free, you drive down to mississippi and you'll see what i'm talking about. historians like to divide americans into eras. revolutionary war era, roaring '20s era, the 1920s chicago bulls era. i grew up during an era. the vietnam war museum. every third movie was a vietnam war. because america wanted to figure out the best frame of war we had lost. the dominant culture goes with the respective that serves it best. for example, the earth superman is a hero, the dude that got in the neighborhood when things