commencement speaker yesterday. it was a terrific, terrific experience. congratulations to all the grads, and their families, their professors, everyone else. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. erin burnett out front starts right now. out front next, breaking news. a striking blow to president trump. federal judge ruling congress has a right to the president's financial records. it is a decision tonight with major implications. also breaking this hour, the president denying democrats their star witness, blocking the former white house counsel don mcgahn from testifying in the morning. plus the fight for 2020. bernie sanders deep in trump country. does he think he can win anybody over? let's go out front. and good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight the breaking news. a major blow tonight to president trump. democrats could be about to get what many believe is the holy grail. president trump's finances. a federal judge as ordered, this ruling, 41-page ruling.

an accounting firm to hand over trump's financial records went all the way back to 2011. this is devastating setback for the president who's doing everything he can to stop congress from getting information to fight every single subpoena. >> as far as the financials are concerned we think it's the wrong -- it's totally the wrong decision. >> so the judge lays it out here, 41 pages. he's in favor of the house oversight committee's argument. the argument is that they requested documents from trump and help strengthen ethics and disclosure laws and ensure the president is not violating the constitution. so the judge writes in part, these are facially valid legislative purposes. from the oversight committee which of course has incredibly broad powers to look at whatever the heck they want to look at. and these words re key because team trump and his staunchest defenders on capitol hill consistently argued the president has every right to defy congress because there's no

legislative purpose. >> what is the legitimate legislative purpose? >> the president's absolutely right to be fighting this. this is not a legitimate request and has no legal legislative purpose. >> i don't want to see him. i'm not going to request them. supposed to serve a legislating purpose. >> the treasury secretary when it comes to the tax returns has repeatedly put out the statement there's no valid legislative purpose. but you heard what the judge said. the president's number one defense according to this judge doesn't fly. the ruling therefore could most likely be ruled as pres dependent for other judges who will reel on subpoena after subpoena including the one for trump's tax returns which is headed to court now. all right, katelyn, we heard the president just before he got ready to board marine one and coming to where you are. what's his next move? >> reporter: well, he's confirmed they are going to appeal this decision.

now, that is going to make this likely the next step in a very lengthy legal process because you'll remember before the president sued this firm to stop them from releasing this information, and just there on the lawn you missed what happened today. it's crazy because he said there was this judge appointed by president barack obama. and he framed it as democrats just trying to get a redo. but, erin, while this is likely to turn into a very lengthy legal battle make no mistake. this is a test of what his intent was to do and his administration's strategy was, which was to stone wall congress on all their subpoena bans. this judge ruling today saying essentially they do have legitimate legislative purpose the reason why they want the financial records that could help democrats as they try to get more information from this administration because this is related to financial records before he was even in office. so this could likely help them. while this is going to drag out for a while likely, it is going

to potentially give faud door those other democrats and maybe those other judges as they are making decisions about the white house' strategy to totally stone wall house democrats as they attempt to do oversight of the administration. >> thank you very much, katelyn. and i want to go now to the former assistant u.s. attorney for the former district of district of new york, april ryan, and the former investigative reporter for associates press and author of trump, russia, a definitive history. thank tuesday all. 41 pages, and the judge, you know, took his time, laid this out. how significant is the ruling? >> it's very significant. it's a very thorough opinion that lays out in detail why it is that he's not -- why this judge is not going to interfere with congress' right to conduct oversight. he explains that congress has very broad authority. there only has to be some facialally legitimate legislative purpose. the judge isn't going to dig in

and say, would i do it differently if i was congress. as long as it's in the general ballpark of congressional authority the subpoena is going to be enforced and very significant, the judge did not agree to stay this decision, to hold off on enforcing it until an appeal can be done. unless the appeals court or the supreme court stays this order that subpoena has to be complied with by the accounting firm right away. that's right, the only delay will be that it takes a few days for the accounting firm to pull together the documents and make a production, but the court won't delay it. this subpoena is live, active, binding on the accounting firm. >> april, that is big blow to this president. >> yes, it's a big blow. it's such a blow that congressman elijah cummings, the head of government oversight and reform, told me by phone just before we went on-air this is major, major victory. he said it twice. major victory, twice.

but the president is going to fight like hell to make sure that the government oversight reform committee does not get what they've been deemed to get, his taxes. he's going to take it as far as going against -- we've seen it. he's already disparaging the circuit court judge who is a black judge who has sided in favor of president trump on occasion. he's also -- if that doesn't work he's going to go to the d.c. court of appeals. if that doesn't work he's going to go as far as the superior court, the supreme court. the u.s. supreme court to make sure that these taxes will not be revealed. why? because these taxes have tentacles. it could show what he does and does not have. it could also go into companies we did not know or countries that the president has been in question of before. so the president is going to fight. >> so if he's going to fight, but let's talk about what's in here because they've requested, right, information from back to 2011 from the president's accounting firm personal and business information.

it's very explicit here in the ruling being clear the subpoena includes both and both are being up held personally as well as associated businesses and entities dating back to 2011. how much could be in here, seth? >> could be a lot. let's back up. the reason why we're here is because of michael cohen's testimony. you know, he brought statements to congress showing that -- you know, showing that trump regularly inflated his assets and deflated them to suit his purposes. that's ground for criminal investigation, and that's the line congress is pursuing here. another point this is different than getting tax information. tax information is not going to be made public. that's got to be kept, you know, behind closed doors. there's no privileges for accounting information. this can be disclosed to the public. and let's not forget accounting information is what put paul manafort in prison where he is right now.

so there's a lot of criminal investigation that could come out of this, and that's why trump is fighting so hard. >> and the point you're making if what michael cohen said is true, and he did bring some pages from the accounting firm to say if the president wanted to buy an nfl franchise, he lied about his net worth. when he wanted to do other thing heez lied about his net worth, according to cohen. but you're making the point those things would be criminal. >> right. lying on a bank statement is a criminal offense. lying on financial forms and financial disclosure forms would be grounds for a criminal investigation. there's a lot that could come out of this. and, you know, this is the danger that paul manafort found himself in. they dragged his accountant into court, and she was -- they produced her notes. and if trump is directing his accountants to lie, you know, that could come out and that

could -- that's a big blow. >> so here the stakes are incredibly high. >> yes, the stakes are very high because this is useful information to better understand the president's finances. and it may not have even been something within the scope of the mueller investigation or not entirely. >> right, this is the red line he said you don't cross. in terms of april saying he's going to fight it and you're saying it's a live subpoena. if it doesn't get overruled the next seven days they have to hand it over, but let's say it does hypothetically just to play the appeals process out, how long does it take before we know? >> if it gets stayed by the court of appeals by the district of columbia which would be the next court up in the chain, that appeals process even if expedited would take several months to go forward, and these cases are not frequently litigated because usually they are resolved by compromise

between the recipient of the subpoena and the congressional committee. but when they have gone to the supreme court the supreme court has generally ruled in favor of congress. so there is broad authority for congress to act. >> and precedent. so april, on this poichblt the president has been weighing in, he's obviously making this personal and disparaging the judge. here he is. >> as far as the financials are concerned we think it's the -- it's totally the wrong decision by obviously an obama appointed judge. >> all right, so he's making it about obama, right. we all know, april, he's done this a lot when he criticizes obama judges. but, you know, i think it's important to note late last year chief justice john roberts issued a rare rebuke what the president continues to do on this front. saying we don't have obama judges, bush judges or clinton

judges. what we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them. he thinks this argument works for him politically. >> and let's go back. remember he went against the latino judge because of his ethnicity. this president does things like this. he wants to go after this judge and say obama, but there's also code with this. this judge is a black man as well so let's see how this plays out because this president will go after minorities in a moments notice, but this judge also has sided with this president. he might have been an obama appointed judge but he has had thoughtful rulings on the side of this president. and if the president is using the fact this is about the presidency, no it's not. he doesn't have a ground to stand on with that. this is about his personal finances. other presidential candidates and presidents have successfully

given their finances, you know, so people can peruse. it's not a law as of yet, but he is trying to fight this any way he can. and by going after the judge he can't stand on this ground. the people of america, we the people are saying we want to see his tax and his financial information. >> thank you all very much. and next breaking news, president trump blocking former white house counsel, the star witness, from testifying. defying yet another subpoena tonight. plus a republican congressman doubling down on his calls to impeach president trump. so will this move the needle when it comes to democrats actually launching such proceedings? and the fight for 2020. tonight president trump just arriving in the official state of pennsylvania. his own internal polling now shows him trailing democrats. there are a lot of snack bars out there. what makes a kind bar so special? maybe it's the whole nuts and real fruit. maybe it's the drizzle of dark chocolate.

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tonight president trump blocking former white house counsel don mcgahn from testifying before congress tomorrow morning. according to the white house the former counsel to the president cannot be forced to give such testimony and mr. mac began has been drirected to act accordingly. directed not to cooperate. this is huge move by the president to deny democrats' star witness into whether the president of the united states obstrucked justice. the white house goes onto say, quote, the democrats do not like the conclusion of the mueller investigation. no collusion, no conspiracy and no obstruction.

of course that wasn't the conclusion, right? no obstruction. mueller did not clear the president of obstruction, right, explicitly saying he was not exonerated. more than 500 federal prosecutors have signed a statement to say they thought it was very clear they thought the president would be charged with obstruction if he weren't president, meaning impeachable crime. mueller's report of course leaves it undecided whether or not president trump obstructed justice. so now it's left to congress, right, for congress to look into that. trump of course does not want congress to do that. why? remember mcgahn was one of mueller's key eyewitnesses. he's crucial to this if you're going to look into the question. he was interviewed for more than 30 hours. he's mentioned in the report more than 500 times, more than any other witness. evan perez is out front. obviously no one is more important than don mcgahn. others crucial but don mcgan at the heart of the question of obstruction. the justice department, do they stand on solid footing?

>> well, they stand on the footing they've been standing on for 50 years, erin. they're citing all of these rulings from the office of legal counsel that say that people who are very close to the president -- can you hear me? >> yes, i can. >> okay, so they're citing all of this -- these rulings from the office of legal counsel that say that if you're a close advisor of the president that you don't have to show up for this, that you do not have to submit yourself to questions from members of congress certainly because of the executive privilege and the idea that this is a close, close advisor to the president, don mcgahn of course is a lawyer who was working for the office of the presidency. the question is, erin, when this goes to a court and there's no doubt this is going to go before a court. i think you're going to look back and we're going to look back especially at the bush administration and heriot myers who similarly refused to show up for a subpoena, and in the end

years later after courts ruled that she had to answer some questions, in the end they made a deal and she was able to answer some questions. again, it may take years but that's where i believe this will end up going. >> of course that does give a precedent -- we'll see what that means for the timing here but obviously that is crucial. >> i want to ask you obviously about the developments here from michael cohen. we've got newly released transcripts that show that cohen testified, right, under oath. that the president's personal attorney, jay sekulow, knew he was about to lie to congress about the trump tower discussions in moskow, right, that he was going to say those discussions ended months earlier than they did. jay sekulow, of course, the one who apparently gave him this direction. how significant is it that jay sekulow, the president's personal attorney is implicated in this now? >> well, look, it's a big deal for the president's former personal lawyer to be essentially accusing the

president's current personal attorney of wrongdoing here. and the question is whose word are you going to believe? according to michael cohen's testimony he says that sekulow knew that that information was false but that he was directed to essentially at the direction of the president, by the way, to essentially make those false statements. now, if you talk to the white house they say that the reason why everybody, you know, coalesced around the idea everything ended in january of 2016 is because all of the e-mails, all of the documentation ended there. we did get a statement from sekulow's attorney and it says in part michael cohen's alleged statements are more of the same from him. essentially they're saying this guy's a liar, don't believe anything he says. >> evan, thank you very much. >> thanks. out front tonight democratic congressman ted deutsch.

congressman, thanks for your time. i want to start with the new reporting tonight. former trump fixer michael cohen apparently told the house intelligence committee -- we've got the transcripts now -- that jay sekulow, the president's attorney told cohen to lie, to put in a statement to congress if he stopped negotiations to build that trump tower moskow at the beginning of 2016. of course we know that's false. they continued well into the campaign. what's your reaction? >> well, if that's -- if that's true obviously it's a very damning piece of news. but unfortunately, erin, it's not terribly surprising. this comes on the same day that a judge said that the president can't block the release of his financial records. these two stories go together. the president clearly doesn't want congress investigating based on the obstruction of justice arguments set forth in

the mueller report. he doesn't want congress investigating based on the personal dealings of him and his company and his family. and he's willing to go to great lengths, apparently, to prevent any of this information from coming out to the american people. >> you know, to the extent here that he's now saying mcgahn can't appear, right, as former white house counsel -- can't appear. they're saying he has constitutional immunity. the legal opinion from the justice department, of course, that went to your committee congressmen can't constitutionally compel senior advisers to testify about their official duties. what's your response? >> well, i am quite certain that in any reading of the law and of what don mcgahn's job was obstruction of justice was never part of his official duty. let's remember, erin, don mcgahn

for people who have not read the mueller report he's the person that the president went to and said fire mueller, go get sessions to un-recuse himself, lie to the american public. over and over again he's mentioned, and we need the ability to hear directly from him. but again the administration is using the justice department as its own lawyers and is coming up with this notion that you can't be forced to testify on something that has nothing to do with your official duties and everything to do with trying to pursue justice under law. >> i mean, i know you've seen your fellow democrat on your commit. he's now taking that step, and he's been, you know, very careful about his wording. he's now saying if mcgahn does not show up to testify you all should move forward with impeachment proceedings and an inquiry. do you agree? >> i agree we certainly ought to

spend just a minute, erin, on reflecting on what impeachment is. it's the last opportunity we have constitutionally to -- to protect the separation of powers in our country. and when the president first is mentioned more than a dozen times for potentially obstructing justice and we need to investigate, then he goes out of his way to obstruct congress and even goes to court to try to obstruct us from doing our job. then anything that will give us more tools to get to the truth ought to be considered, and certainly our only choice is we can throw up our hands and say the president is right, no one has an interest in getting to the truth and let him continue to block it, or we can look at every means we have in order to get to the truth to ensure no one is above the law. >> it is important here as these

defying -- they defy, right, they don't show up, they defy subpoenas. your chairman jerry nadler said it's a constitutional crisis, you do agree, so what does it take for you at this point for you to say let's do it, because at least you would get the information they are denying you now. >> and as i said it would provide tools for us, more tools for us to move forward, and i think receive -- have an easier time getting this information that we need. look, i've been pretty clear about this, erin, i think we ought to -- instead of doing this piecemeal, we ought to be right up front with all of the people we expect to hear from, and let's just put it to the administration once and for all. instead of going through this piecemeal time and time again -- >> so you see what they say and then you impeach, but you're not there yet?

>> and when they say the answer is no as we predict they will, it will be clear to the american public they have one interest, and that's to prevent the truth from coming out. then we'll see where it has to go. >> thank you, sir. >> thanks, erin, it's good to be with you. and out front next president trump lashish out at a republican congressman who's now calling for his impeachment. >> he's been against trump from the beginning. he probably wants to run from some other office. he's been a loser for a long time. plus president trump speaking in pennsylvania where joe biden is currently ahead in the polls. so can trump keep up? at panerae uniquely crafted. with peak season berries, creamy avocado. and a dressing fit for a goddess. come taste what a salad should be. and with panera catering, there's more to go around. panera. food as it should be. you wouldn't accept from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills?

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crimes. there were crimes in fact revealed by the investigation, some of which are charged and some of which are not but nevertheless described in mueller's report. he also faces a brand new primary challenger in his district over his comments against trump. and the president himself is now jumping in with his trademark language. >> he's been against trump from the beginning. he probably wants to run for some other office. i don't think he'll do very well. he's been a loser for a long time. >> out front now editor of the national review bill crystal. so bill, look, justice amash has always been someone who makes his own counsel. but does this move the needle at all? look, it's a republican that's significant, but that's it so far? >> yeah, i think it will actually have les effect on

other republicans who i think 90% of whom are not interested in crossing donald trump. i think it adds to the pressure on nancy pelosi, on the speaker to get a little more sense of urgency that thaichb this massive report from robert mueller, he opens the question of wheth there was obstruction of justice or not and maybe they should take a look at these things and have hearings. so i think the house will move to more formally convene an impeachment inquiry and have hearings. let's have the actual hearing and let the white house make the case that don mcgahn's testimony is not relevant to an impeachment inquiry. i think that's a very hard question to make. >> here's the thing, rich, because the argument is extremely conservative. it's not political in nature which is why nancy pelosi hasn't move forward with impeachment proceedings because she's afraid it'll be perceived as such. and now the president comes out

and calls him a loser. does it matter how the president chooses to handle himself? >> i admire amash's independent mindedness and there's some significance he might lose a primary over this. the underlying wail is the russia conspiracy, russian collusion, it wasn't there. >> i don't want to relitigate the report but we all know maybe they didn't find conspiracy. it may have risen to the level of what common people call collusion, but there's a legal standard -- >> the report -- the investigation proceeded to its lawful conclusion. he could have invoked executive privilege on all his white house officials and now congress has a report, and this is where i agree with bill, i have a different view of bill on impeachment probably as i am against it. but they have the report. it's there. it's all there.

they don't need to hear from mcgahn or anyone else. they have all the facts setout in a two-year investigation by a prosecutor that had all sorts of powers and was very aggressive. >> former doj prosecutors have said it was obstruction and they should impeach, even based on the information they have without asking for more, subpoenaing more. it's a legitimate question, isn't it? again, what was obstructed, what was stopped? there's a de facto impeachment report in the lap of congress right now that was produced by donald trump's department. >> but donald trump said mcgahn was not telling the truth. i agree with you. my point of view if trump doesn't let mcgahn testify they should just say we should take the mueller report as correct -- and then make a decision. and may may decide not to impeach or senseture or decide there are two impeachable issues in there and seven there are. they do owe the country, i think, a series of hearings

whether you hear from constitutional experts as well as fact witnesses if they can testify and make a decision. >> what about any damaging material that was left on the cutting room floor by robert mueller, a 400 page report is ridiculous. >> but the point i'm making is there's plenty of people who said it's in there. if you want more maybe you're being a bit of a wimp here. >> the obstacle to impeachment is not these claims of executive privilege the white house is making. it's nancy pelosi because she doesn't want to do it because she thinks the politics are bad and she also agrees with bill barr. bill barr didn't think a real legal jury would convict. >> justice amash has, yes, criticized him before. here he is. >> i think that trump presents a kind of threat to our system that is maybe in some ways bigger than what the democrats

present. certainly i'm upset with the republicans. i don't think they should be supporting the president in an action i think is cleary executive overreach. i think the president is violating our constitutional system. >> okay, so does he lose to a primary challenger? i mean as rich is pointing out, you now have one in there. >> he could. he may not to choose for re-election or choose to return for the libertarian candidate for president. who knows? i give him credit for saying what he believes and i think really without excess of political calculation. i think he genuinely thinks this. >> if this was political calculation it was the worst political calculation in the history of the galaxy. >> it's worth losing your seat to go down well in the history books. >> thank you both very much. and next the fight for 2020. is trump running scared in pennsylvania? his internal polling shows he

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all right, you are looking at live pictures. there's president trump. he's arrived in montoursville, pennsylvania. it comes as internal polling

shows trump is lagging. those are crucial states, by the way. they're a big part of the reason he is where he is right now which explains why he is starting to spend time with messages like this in those states. >> hello, pennsylvania. pennsylvania, pennsylvania. well, i'm thrilled to be back in this state that gave us american independence. you know that. american steel, which we now have coming back. by the way, like never before. and generations of american patriots. >> out front now a member of president trump's 2020 re-elected advisory council and maria cordona democratic strategist and former dnc communications director. maria, look, it's internal poll [it's not internal polling. quinpiac shows joe biden beating

in pennsylvania 53-42. but it is really early. you do not want to look this good this early because problems can happen. can biden keep it up? >> well, i think what biden needs to continue to do is make the argument that what trump promised in 2016 not just to all these midwest voters but to america as a whole and to those who have actually been lagging behind economically, that he has actually betrayed them. and look, very specifically in these midwestern states it shows he has been struggling since the election, since he won them, right, his approval rating has been eroding. pennsylvania and michigan have been lagging behind the rest of the country -- >> but what about -- you're avoiding the biden question. >> no, i think what i'm telling you is if biden continues on this message that he is actually the one who's going to take care of them, he's not going to start a trade war with china that's going to make farmers in the midwest suffer. he's not going to take away

health care from millions of those very same voters who backed trump. these are very key economic issues, erin, that even though on paper the economy's doing great, it's not doing great for everybody. >> right, no, that's true. now, rob, you know, biden, though, has made pennsylvania personal. obviously he was born there. he's picked philadelphia as his campaign headquarters. he likes to talk about pennsylvania every chance he gets like these. >> if i'm going to be able to beat donald trump in 2020 it's going to happen here. in western pennsylvania. no one's going to campaign harder to win your hearts, your trust and your support than the son of cap teen eugene from scranton, pennsylvania. i see my old neighborhood from clay minute and scranton and see the backbone -- and this is not hyperbole, i see the backbone of the nation. >> you're a member of the 2020

advisory re-election council. biden obviously is very compelling to many voters in these states, but pennsylvania is his home state. he's got a couple of home states, but it is obviously a powerful one for him. you look at the internal polls. are you worried at all when you see an internal poll ? >> completely meaningless. >> explain why. >> two months ahead of the cycle where we are right now, obama do you know where he was? he was at 47-39. he had 39 to any republican running against him. >> but nobody knew who he was and everybody knows joe biden and donald trump. >> his approval rating was at a 44% or 45%. the point is a lot more to go and the economy is always, always a major, major factor. especially this time, look, i think it's so baked in right now. you have a real love and a real hate for trump, right? so it's going to be more than ever a base vote.

however, it's going to be trump versus somebody, and it may not be biden because he's just starting outright now. they haven't even picked him apart yet the left. so he's got 2,300 people slinging arrows at him before trump does, and there's a lot to remind him about joe biden. >> maria, let me ask you, i do find a great irony he's just getting in when trump four years ago wasn't even in the race yet and now it's considered late. as i keep saying it is a damning statement about the hiring process but that being said biden has not had a chance -- he's known by everybody, right, you're looking at trump's numbers. but $30 million this year, and trump's campaign and the national gop, $82 million with the cash on hand, how troubling is that when you look at somebody like biden having to compete? >> it's certainly astounding the amount of money trump is going to bring in, but that's really no surprise.

erin, as you know republicans normally always outspend democrats especially when democrats are the opposition party. but what i will say is that there's a lot of money on the democratic side. let's remember we have 23 candidates, we talked about this the other night, right, and so you're going to have candidates every single night going at trump underscoring why he is unfit for office and specifically for biden and others you have sanders and warren who are talking about -- and kamala harris who are talking about the economy and how this president has actually betrayed those very voters and those midwestern states that trusted him to take care of him kmskly and he hasn't. >> there's no question about it the economy is doing well, people are working again and joe biden has lost twice in a democratic primary for president, and this isn't the same democratic party that he ran on when he ran those two other times so i don't think he excites not the base of the democratic party, and it's going

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>> thank you, pittsburgh. >> reporter: he was also the first candidate to sit down for a fox news town hall last month and tonight sanders is wrapping up a four-state swing of southern states. north carolina, south carolina, georgia and alabama filled with trump voters and delivering a message specifically aimed at making the case that his policies are better for them than what trump has delivered in his first two years in office. >> i beg those people in georgia who voted for trump, look at his last budget. a trillion and a half dollars in cuts to the medicaid program. over $800 billion in cuts to medicare and tens of billions of dollars of cuts to social security. >> reporter: for trump voters like loyd ashley, they remain unconvinced. ashley argues that neither trump or sanders supporters will

switch sides. >> do you think that will resonate with some voters? >> i don't think it's going to resonate. i think the people that were bernie supporters are going to be bernie supporters. >> reporter: sanders believes even though they might be tough to convince, it's worth a try. in alabama, sanders highlighting the plight of poverty. arguing it's ignored. >> today in mar-a-lago donald trump's friends will pay $200,000 to get admission into that country. but at a time when so few have so much and so many have so little, it is time we address the issue of poverty. >> reporter: but even some democrats are inclined to support sanders like richard hannah. he has yet to pick a candidate. wonder if trump voters can be won over especially with someone as progressive as sanders. >> i have a lot of respect for bernie and a lot of his ideas but i'm not sure if the moderate folks are going to pull back

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his own. he said, thanks, donald, when consumer confidence went up but donald doesn't have a monopoly on thanking himself. remember this guy. >> thanks, obama. >> reporter: thanking himself for lower gas prices. you know, there's actually a technical term for this. >> biilleism. >> he's branding himself which he does unconsciously and this is indicative of narcissism. >> no side tracks, donald. nice and easy. >> you want the world to revolve around you. >> reporter: psychologists say toddlers are illeis before they grasp i and me, like elmo. >> and now elmo has a question for you. >> reporter: tweeted one trump critic, he gives third person

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