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comments he has made, things that need to be fact checked, we'll get to in a second, but it seemed like lashing out right now. >> it's the president airing his grievances, what you read on twitter from the president, multiple times a day. except this time he said it in person and singled out nancy pelosi, something we haven't seen that much from the president, holding her responsible for these investigations even though she's been trying to tamp down the talk of impeachment, kate. >> appreciate it. playing out, momentarily we'll get the other side of this contentious oval office meeting. nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, top democrat of the united states senate about to speak to reporters. you see it on the right of your screen there. moments before what was supposed to be the white house meeting. the president complaining to the speaker of the house that she accused him of a cover-up, walking out of a meeting that was supposed to be to discuss if
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there was any hope, any possible hope of a bipartisan deal on infrastructure spending. instead, walking out of an oval office meeting and into the rose garden, accusing the democrats of trying to continue investigations, says he doesn't do cover-ups, saying that he would not work with them until they drop their investigation. the president going on then to say several things that were just not true about the mueller report. let's get the democratic response. here is the speaker and senate democratic leader with some of their deputies. >> good morning, everyone. >> good morning, everyone. we went to a follow-up meeting with the president that we schedule aid few weeks ago. while we agreed on a dollar figure and the percentage of 80/20 in terms of responsibility and discussed priorities about infrastructure. it was agreed that the time that we would return today to talk about how we would cover the cost of such a proposal.
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last night, and the time in between, the president was making some sounds that we questioned how serious he could be, if he was saying what he was saying. last night he put forth a letter saying unless we pass the u.s./mexico/canada free trade agreement there was no reason for us to -- we couldn't go forward with infrastructure. we didn't see those two as related. but the fact is hopeful, optimistic and we went in the spirit of bi dfls partisanship to work with the president on this. he came in made the statement that he made which was -- i won't even characterize it. i will say this, and i said this after he left. thomas jefferson, when he was president of the united states, tasked his secretary of the
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treasurer gallatin, to put forth an infrastructure proposal initiative for the country. it would follow the lewis & clark expedition, louisiana purchase. it would be about the erie canal, cumberland road, things like that to build into america. 100 years later, 100 years later, teddy roosevelt did his infrastructure big initiative and it was called the establishment of the national park service. the green infrastructure of america. we had hoped that we could give this president an opportunity to have a signature infrastructure initiative to create jobs, to improve the quality of life, to just do so much for our country on the ongoing -- not only the jobs that are created by building but the commerce it would promote. and that included roads and
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bridges and mass transit. broadband into rural america and other underserved areas, clean water, waste water. all of the things that have numerous needs. the american society of civil engineer says it's in the trillions, the deficit we have, we're talking about a couple billion dollars. for some reason -- maybe it was lack of confidence on his part, that he really couldn't come -- match the greatness of the challenge that we have, wasn't really respectful of the congress and the white house working together. he just took a pass. and it just makes me wonder why he did pray for the president of the united states and i pray for the united states
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of america. i'm pleased to yield now to the distinguished democratic leader of the senate, mr. schumer. >> well, thank you, speaker pelosi. and to watch what happened in the white house would make your jaw drop. we democrats believe in america, we believe that we need infrastructure. we believe to bring clean new energy around the country we need a power grid modernized and updated. we believe in modernizing our transportation fleet with electric cars. we believe in all these things. and so despite signals in the previous few weeks that he might not be serious, we went forward. we came here, very seriously. the president asked in his letter last night, where would democrats spend the money on infrastructure? i was prepared to give him a 35-page plan, detailing this in
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all the areas i mentioned and more, that have the broad support of senate and house democrats. we were interested. we are interested in doing infrastructure. it's clear the president isn't. he is looking for every excuse. whether it was let's do trade first or whether it was he's not going to pay for any funding or whether today that there are investigations going on. hello. there were investigations going on three weeks ago when we met. and he still met with us. but now that he was forced to actually say how he would pay for it, he had to run away. and he came up with this preplanned excuse. and one final point, it's clear that this was not a spontaneous move on the president's part. it was planned. when we got in the room, the curtains were closed. the president -- there was a place for him at the front so he
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could stand and attempt to tell us why he wouldn't do infrastructure. and, of course, then he went to the rose garden with prepared signs that had been printed up long before our meeting. we want the president to do infrastructure. we want our congress to perform its constitutional responsibilities and create jobs, create income, crow aeate wealth for the average american. we can do both. it's clear the president doesn't want to do any of that. >> i just would add this one thing, that we had a very distinguished delegation to the congress, very powerful house and senate. as you can see, distinguished leader on the proipgs committ s appropriations committee. jurisdiction that oversees what we're talking about here. ways and means committee of the house, our distinguished democratic leader in the house,
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steny hoyer. the senate whip, assistant leader, whatever the title is in the senate. >> number two. >> debbie stabenow of michigan, leader on all of these issues in her committees in the congress. our assistant speaker, mr. luhan of new mexico, democratic whip of the house, mr. clyburn, chair of the -- i love saying chair. chair of the transportation infrastructure committee appropriate up to this discussion, mr. defazio and the top democrat on the finance committee in the united states senate, ron weisen. we came with hechlt ft,
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commitment, knowledge, with hope of a shared vision of creating this great jobs initiative for our country. in the spirit of president eisenhower, when he instituted the highway, the interstate highway system. it was important for jobs and mobility. it was a national security initiative. and it was bipartisan. lyndon johnson and sam rayburn in the house and senate, president of the united states dwight eisenhower. we had hoped that we could do something comparable. unfortunately, the president isn't ready for that. thank you all very much. welcome back to the program. you're watching the leaders of the senate and house.
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if democrats continue their investigations, the president said, there will be no conversations about infrastructure or the big issues. speaker pelosi returning fire moments after a remarkable rose garden event from the president of the united states in which he said i don't do cover-ups. speaker pelosi, among other things, saying i pray for our president and i pray for the united states of america. with me here in studio, nia-malika henderson, evan perez and margaret tolov. kaitlan, i want to go to you first. whether it's infrastructure, the president's trade deal, big spending deal they have to get done before the end of the year, all of that off the rails after this confrontation in the oval office, democrats essentially saying they were set up, that the president never intended to be serious about this meeting on
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infrastructure. their proof, they say, is that he walked in, walked out and had the preprinted signs already ready in the rose garden. what does the white house say? >> reporter: yeah. we're told by sources that the white house started planning for this to happen this morning after nancy pelosi walked out of that meeting with her caucus and said she believed the president was engaged in a cover-up. that's when they printed out that sign you saw on the white house podium, investigation by the numbers, accusing them of all the things that the president says on twitter. they were prepared for this. they didn't uninvite nancy pelosi, chuck shoomer or the other democrats coming to the white house. instead they waited for them to arrive. the president walked into the room, did not shake anyone's hands and clearly made his anger over nancy pelosi's comment that he's engaged in a cover-up very evident to them. then he marched out to the rose garden, where we had been called at the last minute and you could tell that the president was
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sooe seething over that comment by nancy pell oosi. now, we've been talking about how the white house has been fighting these subpoenas and how some of this could play out through the 2020 electrics. that would make you think the president is saying he's not going to work with democrats for the rest of his presidency. at least his first term, whether or not he wins a second it term is still up for debate. clearly, you could see the president's anger. he was singling out house speaker nancy pelosi specifically there, john. >> manu raju up on capitol hill. for those not tuned into the news this morning, this is speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. there is a split in the conference. they respect the speaker's leadership. some democrats think it's time to open an impeachment inquiry. it's time because the white house keeps saying no for all these demands to have a formal impeachment inquiry that gives them more legal standing to insist on those documents. speaker pelosi coming out of the meeting saying she believes it's
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not time to do that but she also said this. >> would you believe it's important for the -- to follow the facts. we believe that no one is above the law, including the president of the united states. and we believe that the president of the united states is engaged in a cover-up. in a cover-up. and that was the nature of the meeting. >> manu, the president says that's what set him off. the democratic perspective we just heard from the speaker and senate leader, chuck schumer, is that he was looking for a fight and that might have just given him the ammunition, but he wanted this. >> reporter: that's right. he believed that -- >> absolutely. there's no -- >> reporter: this meeting going in, this was an excuse he used to end this, arguing that, look, investigations were happening three months -- three weeks ago when they first met him on infrastructure. what's different right now. the comments this morning are something that the speaker has been saying behind closed doors. i'm told a closed door meeting monday night she just said that democrats, part of their
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messaging should be that the president is engaged in a cover-up. that's the argument that they believe that the white house is doing in terms of invoking executive privilege, blocking subpoenas, not complying with their demands. that is one area where the democrats are largely united. they're not united about impeaching this president. the speaker herself very clear in her caucus this morning that she wants to pursue the route of investigations, take time to play out, not open up a formal impeachment inquiry. most of her caucus is on board for that. there is a growing contingent that will push to formally open up impeachment inquiry. i tried to ask the speaker about that, john. i tried to ask her if you believe the president is engaged in a cover-up why not begin the impeachment process? why not support at least an impeachment inquiry? she did not want to take questions. she declined to answer any questions. she had an opportunity to ask her at a later date for certain but did not want to step on the
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messaging here today, which was that the president did not want to go forward with the infrastructure meeting. significant bichltpartisan achievement. a number of members in her own caucus were pushing hard to get some sort of bipartisan deal through. but democrats, even though the president wants them to draw up their investigations, they're not going to do that. so this stalemate legislatively will continue as democrats continue with their investigations. john? >> there are a thousand ways to come at this. specifics matter. if you live in a town with an aging bridge, live in rural america, thought they would bring internet to your schools and hospitals, forget about it. sorry. forget about it. spending deal to keep the government open that they thought they made progress on yesterday, this will set that back. nancy pelosi thought she tamped down calls for impeachment.
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many democrats watching this will say he's not going to cooperate. let's move forward with impeachment. i covered the white house the last time a president was impeached and it never got like that. >> today will be remembered as a turning point and nancy pelosi's very careful remarks where she spoke about bipartisanship. she hit everything from thomas jefferson to theodore roosevelt and her line about praying for the president and praying for the united states was meant to lay down a marker and recognizes that it's a turning point and that it happened kind of on his timeline. but this is not the first time he has done one of these walkouts. he did it in january over the shutdown. he invited democrats there and then walked out of the meeting when they said that they were not going to pay for his border wall. he kind of lost that short-term battle, but then ended up doing the emergency funding. i think he is showing now he is willing to go to the mat to deny them legislative
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accomplishments, force the conversation back on impeachment and make himself the victim. >> at this point, look, democrats cannot say we're going to start impeachment proceedings tomorrow. that will look just as impulsive as what the president is doing. this will lower the cost of going there. they would have to answer this either/or question. are you focusing on the investigations or the stuff that's the bread and butter issues of the country? the president kind of called that bluff and made that decision for them. it lowers the price of pursuing impeachment proceedings as long as it doesn't look like they're doing it as a counter, instinctive punch to what the president said today. >> what the president was asked briefly there was do you respect the other branches of government, and he says i respect congress, but nothing that we've seen so far has shown that he actually respects any of that. they're dodging subpoenas. you know, obviously even with the mueller investigation, they turned over a lot of documents but the president never sat down for an interview with the investigators. there's a lot of limitations.
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i'm being transparent, i'm being cooperative. despite what the attorney general says, i think the president is far from being cooperative. >> i brought this up for just that reason. i had the staff bring it up. we were getting ready for the program beforehand. when the president says no collusion, no obstruction, that's not true. in the sense that robert mueller said i could not find the evidence to bring a collusion case, the president is right about that. i just mentioned, you're look at one page here. after more than a year of discussion, the president declined to be interviewed. you can go on and on about the ten counts of obstruction mueller lays out here. he left the decision to the attorney general and congress now. it's a legitimate debate if you're a supporter of the president, you think congress is going too far, revisiting this. if you're a supporter of the democrats, call witnesses, get mueller to testify, bring up don mcgahn to testify. that was the argument when we woke up this morning. after seeing this divide between
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the republican president and the democratic speaker, there's a bigger fisher at play here. >> is a bigger fisher at play here. we don't know where the public ends up on this. we know where they've been so far. they haven't really been for impeachment. democrats have been, about 70% of democrats or so. what we see in some of the polling that was out today is that they do want more transparency. they want to hear from mueller. they want to hear from mcgahn. so when the president gets up there and says i don't do cover-ups and he says to the audience there, you know that better than anyone, i don't know what he really means by that. but the public certainly wants to hear more about this investigation. the other interesting dynamic is nancy pelosi. she seems to have his number. she seems to be able to get into his head in a way i don't think we've seen, right? not only the sort of i pray for the president, sort of a play on bless his heart in some ways. this was full of shade, even
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playing to his ego this idea that you could have this big historic win and be on the level of roosevelt and eisenhower and jefferson. and somehow she said that maybe he lacks the confidence to actually get it done, playing again to his feelings about -- >> that's important, because again whatever -- pick your issue. what happens from this moment on, after what we've seen play out in the last hour or so? speaker pelosi and the president have had a strange relationship from day one. he tried to be her friend, called her nancy, it was chuck and nancy. she was essentially saying boy, mr. president, this could have been a mt. rushmore moment and then she ended with this. >> in any event, i pray for the president of the united states. and i pray for the united states of america. >> again, you have the atmospherics, which are now a and z. they're gone. and on the substance, the democrats have a point, if you
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want to get nerdy about the infrastructure debate. three weeks ago they emerged from the oval office, agreed on $3 trillion. the democrats said with a republican senate there's no way we can get $2 trillion unless you, mr. president, take the lead on how we'll pay for it. he said he would do that. mick mulv a. ney revolted. mitch mcconnell revolted. conservative groups revolted and got the president to back off. in this letter he says why don't you come to me with how you would pay for it? this letter essentially said infrastructure is dead. the meeting wasn't going to take place anyway. then it became this. >> now it's no longer about infrastructure, except how they can spin that political message potentially. it's a power struggle. you're watching a classic power struggle. it's not that they're trying to win any of the policy turf in the middle. they're trying to win the political argument right now. nancy pels owesy says she'll pray for the president and the country. she's trying to sound more presidential than the president that the moment. that's what she has to do in
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order to give her party a leg up in this tit-for-tat of going back and forth. >> i do think that you could make an argument if you're among those democrats who wants to make the case for impeachment, that there's less reason not to do it. pelosi's point of view has always been you use the pressure and rhetoric of impeachment without pulling the trigger on these proceedings. you saw her ratcheting that plan up. >> it does seem like it's working. to the point i think one of the congressmen today said they think they're winning. the president is on a bit of a losing streak. that's why he's so frustrated. he felt he was doing his victory lap after the mueller report. but now, you know, you have not only judges saying that his financial records have to be turned over, there's a hearing this afternoon in new york, where there's these records from deutsch ba deutsche bank that are being subpoenaed. a lot of things are not exactly going his way. he's frustrated by that.
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not that i'm going to psycho analyze donald trump. >> that was my question coming in this morning, when the president had a long tweet rant this morning. >> what is he upset about. >> right. he knows more than we do. he's being told by his lawyers, trump organization. he's being told what the state of play is out there. the justice department beginning to cooperate after confrontation with the house intelligence committee. what are they sharing there? or is he just mad? i don't know. i want to come back to the political argument, the argument that speaker pelosi was making this morning after what happened. we'll see if she can continue to make it. should the president be impeached? 57% of the american people say no. that has been a consistent number. so, speaker pelosi is going into her caucus saying should trump be impeached and that's what she's getting. then the question should the president be re-elected? no. 60%. if you're nancy pelosi, you're thinking we're in a very good political position. we're in a very good political position. why would we risk it?
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her view is the last election was all about trump and hillary clinton lost. if you started impeachment, the election becomes all about trump and she doesn't want to run that risk. >> in today -- i think the president, as much as he might think this is a win, he does come across in a way as the kid who wants to up-end the monopoly table because he doesn't think people are playing very fairly. and this idea that he literally is not going to get anything done with the democrats unless they drop their investigation, even though this was something that he said in his state of the union, right? as long as there are investigations, there's no legislation. it's a bit of an awkward rhyme but that's what he said. it's not a surprise, but politically this is a president who said he can get everything done. he's the greatest negotiator. puts him in an odd position. >> let's listen to the president. the president himself described -- remember, chuck schumer said your jaw would drop. members of congress, committee
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chairm chairmen, leadership of the house and senate on the democratic side waiting for the president. chuck schumer says the president came in, didn't shake anybody's hands. made clear. here is how the president described it. >> i walked into the room and i told senator schumer, speaker pelosi, i want to do infrastructure. i want to do it more than you want to do it. i would be really good at that. that's what i do. but you know what? you can't do it under these circumstances. so get these phony investigations over with. >> again, whatever you think of the investigations, whether you agree with the president they're phony, whether you agree with the democrats they're necessary, his explanation phony. his letter last night pulled the plug on infrastructure. that's the facts. these are the president's words and that's the president's signature on the letter. to this point here -- again, i covered the clinton white house when he was being impeached.
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our politics weren't as polar e polarized then as they are now, if you can believe that. but he worked with speaker gingrich. they got things done. this is the investigation/impeachment tra . investigation/impeachment track, this is the legislative track. they did get things done. it was messy. the train appears to be off the tracks. >> he thinks it's a judgment on his presidential victory or number of other issues. he's not that good at separating his own ego from what's going on. you're seeing him make a head-on clash at this point. it could help, it could hurt. who panics and blinks faster? that's why pelosi is trying to play a slower game even if she ends up taking this opportunity. >> it helped clinton to do that, to have a demonstrable record to say i'm here to get things done.
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you're focused on personal stuff. it is a political risk and calculation for approximate this president to say -- >> u.s./mexico/canada trade. the odds of that went down today. >> they did, a bit. >> the president doesn't necessarily say political calculation and that's how i make my decisions. he makes decisions based on his gut. >> and emotion. >> exactly. so that's what we saw on display in the rose garden, which is usually a more formal setting. >> his tool has been the economy not legislative accomplishment but singularly the economy which is what makes the china trade stuff so curious. he doesn't need to show bipartisan with democrats but that democrats are being partisan against him and he has a strong economy. two things have to work for him to prevail on that. courts need to move slowly or not uphold what democrats are trying to do and two, the economy needs to keep going. if either of those legs fall off
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a big white house confrontation and then dueling press conferences. the president kicking the senate and house leaders out of the white house. and said you'll get nothing from me until the investigations stop. >> i walked into the room and told senator schumer, speaker pelosi, i want to do infrastructure. i want to do it more than you want to do it. i would be really good at that. that's what i do. but, you know what? you can't do it under these circumstances. so, get these phony investigations over with. >> the dust-up at the white house coming hours after speaker nancy pelosi emerged frommy meeting with her fellow democrats and said this. >> would you believe it's important for -- to follow the facts?
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we believe that no one is above the law, including the president of the united states. and we believe that the president of the united states has engaged in a cover-up. in a cover-up. and that was the nature of the meeting. >> joining our conversation of "the washington post," they weren't together to begin with. now they're out here. if you believe what was said today, don't expect anything to get done because democrats aren't going to back off their investigations. the president doesn't -- he didn't want to come to the table on infrastructure anyway. >> he's not calling them chuck and nancy there. using more former title. >> we're done with that. >> we're not friends today. also, there's implications on the hill for budget deals, debt ceilings, actual work that needs to get done. and sort of takes away from the interesting political theater of today, which is fascinating to watch. but the implications, i think, are significant.
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if no work is going to be done. it changes 2020 candidates for the democratic side are going to start playing into this sand bxk as well for impeachment. we're hearing more on that line as well. >> she felt confident coming out of the meeting, she convinced them to hold on. will this complicate that? will some of those very democrats say after he said things like that, after refuses to cooperate on anything, what's the point? >> yes. in a word, yes. i think there's a lot of people who are feeling restrained by the speaker anyway when it comes to impeachment proceedings or potential of them and think they shouldn't shy away from what they see as actions that would
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deserve to open that. those types of proceedings because they're afraid of political backlash. i think the fact that, you know, you were afraid of drowning out everything else that the democrats wanted to talk about. the president just kind of did that for you. so, in a way, you can't do it immediately because then that would seem like you're just tit-for-tat'ing with the president. if this stale mate continues for a few weeks, they're getting nothing done, what do they have to lose? as those democrats get closer and closer to pelosi's inner circle, the pressure will be on her. their challenge is to move these poll numbers in the meantime, keep making this case like we're trying here. the people who are blocking this are the president and everybody in the administration. >> let it play out, her case. draft memo of the irs, we can't hold the president's taxes. the law is the law. we have to turn them over unless president invokes executive privilege. pell o
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pelosi wants him to do that. she hopes that one of these court cases, they order the president to turn over these documents and the president refuses, then you move on with proceedings. a sign about the mueller investigation in front of him saying they're out to get me. they always have been. >> i respect the courts. i respect congress. i respect right here where we're standing, this is investigation of the same thing, probably five. it started from the time we came down the escalator in trump tower. so, i say to you that we are going to get everything done. we're doing a lot without them. let them play their games. we'll go down one track at a time. let them finish up and we'll be all set. >> we'll be all set. we're not getting anything done.
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there are regulatory and executive alcohols the administration is taking. you can debate whether you like those or not. but we are going to revisit health care. no. they were going to revisit infrastructure. forget about it. there was some talk that would they ever get anything done on immigration? the president's acting department of homeland security chief is up there today, talking about wall funding and the like. forget about it. i don't see anything getting done. >> now this trade deal also. >> trade deal, right. >> that needs to get done. >> he needs nancy pelosi's help. she is. she's a free trader. she's from california. she knows how important the u.s./mexico/canada trade agreement is for the national economy. she wanted to find a way to get it done. that complicated it enormously. >> some sort of negotiation to get enough democrats on board, perhaps it would have something to do with health care or infrastructure. but the president is the one saying he's not going to make any deals with them until they stop. he knows they're not going to stop. so you wonder, is he saying this because he wants to shut down
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all progress or is it sort of a bluff to see where they land? he said something else interesting in today's remarks from the rose garden where he talked about the potential of impeaching future presidents, be they democrats or republicans. his choice of words was interesting. he seemed to be saying that he didn't think any congress should just be able to impeach a president. any congress can impeach a president if there's bipartisan will to do it. i wanted to get inside his head and hear him play out the rest of that thought. is he saying that he wants to try to impose limitations on the impeachment process? >> rewrite the constitution. >> or making a rhetorical aside? >> the constitution leaves that question to congress. to the point here, the president came to the rose garden. very quickly the democrats came into the room. they wanted to make the case that they were serious. they're trying to get things done. the speaker went so far as
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saying i pray for the president, not only questioning his judgment or strategy but questioning him if you will. senate democratic leader said we were ready. the president wouldn't let us. >> to watch what happened in the white house would make your jaw drop. we democrats believe in infrastructure. despite signals in the previous few weeks that he might not be serious, we went forward. we came here very seriously. the president asked in his letter last night, where would democrats spend the money on infrastructure. i was prepared to give him a 35-page plan detailing this in all the areas i mentioned and more that had the broad support of senate and house democrats. >> and you see senator schumer there. and nancy pelosi introduced them all at the news conference. that is the leadership of the democratic party, the leadership team, the leadership on spending and infrastructure issues. president told them to take a
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hik hike. >> at some point it's going to leak what happened in that meeting. you saw pelosi and schumer telegraphing that something really awful happened and when you hear it, it will make your jaw drop. they're trying to make him seem like he's unreasonable. they're the serious ones. they have this 35-page plan but he doesn't want to play ball and get anything done for the country. is this just a bluff? he's somebody who does change tactics and doesn't necessarily stick to his same stance over time, but we'll see if he's able to basically stonewall on anything, not only on cooperating with investigations, on cooperating with legislation. >> and we know sometimes he does not react well to strong, powerful women. is it just that? did he see nancy pelosi on television and decide i'm storming out of my meeting? he was pulling the plug on infrastructure. acting chief of staff, other
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conservatives were furious at the president for what he said in that meeting with democrats three weeks ago and were actively trying to undermine that promise from day one. that's not it. to the democrats' point, these investigations existed yesterday and the day before and the day before and the day before. pelosi has used the term cover-up in letters, private meetings. it might be the first time she used it publicly. other democrats have said it. was that really a trigger or was the president just looking for a fight? >> you could make that argument, i think. it's not like nancy pelosi saying the word cover-up in a vacuum would set him off but a room full of gas and it was lit. these pithy remarks, if he doesn't like the messenger, he snaps. >> part of the art of the deal playbook. this has been a tried and true like trump promoted tactic for decades where he said one of the
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ways that you make a deal is if you don't like it, get up and walk out. it forces everybody to recalibrate what they're thinking. >> except it's never worked. >> he has talked about it and promoted this idea again and again and again. we did see him try it a number of months ago. she does get under his skin. she has figured out -- >> and she has a lot of experience at this. >> yeah. >> way more experience than him at this. it's a very different dynamic than a real estate transaction to think you're going to move someone who has navigated politics and the highest ranking woman in politics. >> president of the united states you have a different role to play. >> he has underestimated her tenacity from day one as have many democrats here. we're trying to figure out what was the trigger here? cnn's kaitlan collins wases live at the white house with more insight from the white house. >> reporter: nancy pelosi accusing him of being engaged in a cover-up after she left that meeting with her caucus. that comment in particular that the president was so angry
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about. we saw him come out to the rose garden seething, was angry, lashing out about these democratic investigations, the special counsel's investigation as well, saying he could not work with democrats while they're investigating him, but we're told it was singularly that comment from nancy pelosi that set the president off and derailed today's infrastructure meeting. had that comment not been made by the speaker today, the meeting likely would be going on still in the white house. the president was so angry, that the speaker went that far to accuse him of a cover-up, as she tried to tamp down that impeachment talk. as far as infrastructure goes, the president met with democrats three weeks ago on infrastructure while all these investigations were still going on, which democrats said did not get brought up during that meeting. clearly today a switch for the president. he was so angry over nancy pelosi's comment and that is why he derailed that meeting, john.
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>> here, you get into this. unfortunately, this is -- just about anything now, your perception of that, your reaction of that is divide by where you are, where you sit. if you're pro-trump, the speaker said this provocative thing. damn right, he blew up the meeting. said go away. if you're a democrat or independent you think, she used language that other democrats have used, that she has used in writing, maybe not in public in front of a camera, and you throw a fit? >> and the other thing that i think the white house did have those signs put up at the ready. it's possible that they have those signs for other reason. >> a machine in the building across the driveway. they can do it pretty quickly. >> he gets set off. they print the signs and he's out there. i think politically, there's an interesting case of who is at the biggest loser if nothing is done in congress? president trump has something to lose. he ran in 2016 as the big deal maker. he is not cutting a lot of deals
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and i think this could undercut some of that. the democrats, their mid-term strategy was to point to health care and some of the things that they can do. if they have nothing to really run on in 2020, i think it undercuts some of their arguments. both sides are sort of trying to figure out who is going to take the fall in the next election cycle as a result of things like today. >> you have to wonder what's going on in the white house right now. if trump is going to walk out of a meet iing, he's going to walk out of a meeting. is there any descent there? if there's not, that tells you something about what's going on inside his chambers right now, too. >> they have decided that they're going to run the same election they ran last time because they've had no progress and haven't made much effort to reach out to new voters. they are running the fight club campaign all over again this time. it has been a remarkable day in washington. continuing to get reaction. the president of the united states, walking out of a meeting
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you for your incredible leadership and cap for ideas as a big word that means so much. and some it unfortunately the difference we have between executive and legislative branch and in our house any way is ideas based on fact, science, truth, evidence, did i say data? so we'll have a different interpretation of what happens. but here is the thing, let's salute cap, for her to stand up for the leadership. thank you. [ applause ] >> aren't you impressed with our freshman members of congress. aren't they fantastic?
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[ applause ] >> and know you heard from adam schiff earlier, we're so proud of his work. i just want you to know this. when watergate babies came, the watergate babies came to the congress in 1976. it was a big transformational class of members of congress. it was fantastic. fantastic. people have compared this class in terms of size and depth and energy and enthusiasm and entrepreneurship and all of the rest, diversity, as a similar class. the reason i bring it up is in 1976 when they came, not one of those freshman got a gavel, chaired a sub-committee in the first year. and this freshman class, 18 freshman chair sub-committees in the house. [ applause ] >> we view that as something spectacular. ten women, where is stephanie?
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thank you, stephanie, for helping me make that happen. and eight men. but this is remarkable. to think that the woman who is -- one of the first and you know you heard from sher ice this morning and deb holland one of the other two first native american women to come to the congress, deb holland is now the chair of the natural resources committee public lands sub-committee. that is a very big deal. and it is a very big deal in the native american community as well. so we're very, very proud of them. all of them. the beautiful diversity of it all. 106 women in the congress. 91 of them democrats. thank you, stephanie. [ applause ] >> isn't that remarkable? 60% of the -- 60% of our caucus, women, people of color, lgbtq. >> the speaker nancy pelosi
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speaking at an event here in washington at a democratic group. she was asked about president trump this morning and we took you there live and she's decided so far not to answer the question and we'll take you back and monitor it if she gets to those remarkz and not talking about the diversity of the democrat caucus and we'll go back to it. and let's play what started this this morning and i'll paraphrase it and speaker had a meeting with the democrat this is morning and said the president engaged in a cover-up and the president goes into the meeting and said good-bye and wouldn't work with you until you stops your investigation and goes into the rose garden and said i don't do cover ups and launches into his attacks. we talked how this is a turning point. it is hard for context in the age of trump. they didn't get along much to begin with. he is tempermental and unpredictable. she's trying to keep her sheep -- sorry, back to the speak. >> >> priorities in a previous agreement and we came to an
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agreement, $2.80% federal and 20% local and in any even, today was the day he was supposed to tell us how -- what he would be willing to support and pay for for all of that. instead, in an orchestrated, almost to a poor baby point of view, he came into the room and said that i said that he was engaged in a cover-up and he couldn't possibly engage in a conversation on infrastructure as long as -- as long as we are investigating him. now we've been investigating him since we took -- or the majority, so this is nothing new in that. and then he had a press conference in the rose garden with all of this sort of visuals that obviously were planned long before i said most currently that he was engaged in a cover-up. so it is really sad.
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and here -- and here is the thing and i told this to the room when he came in and made that statement. we have the secretary of treasury and this and that and distinguish group of members from the house and senate democrats. i said, 200 years ago thomas jefferson tasked his secretary of the treasury, standing there, to develop a infrastructure initiative for america, to build into the louisiana purchase, the louis and clark expedition and the erie canal and years later, ted roosevelt instituted the national park service and the green infrastructure of america. and so we were -- and i said to them and to the president after, we want to give this president the opportunity to do something historic for our country. while there are those in our
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family who think why would you work with him if he -- you know and he's basically saying back to me, why would i work with you, as you gave me. but the fact is, something happened there. so i pray for him and i pray for the united states of america. it is really -- he walked away. whether he ever intended to honor what he said before remains to be seen. but democrats believe in building infrastructure of our country, mass transit roads, bridges, broadband into rural america and into underserved areas in our cities, wastewater, clean water, infrastructure, the satellites so that we could have precision and there are so many needs and we thought we had some level of agreement. but you never know with this president of the united states. so that is what happened this morning. it was very, very, very strange.
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[ laughter ] >> but the press said to me, were you surprised in and -- and i say to you, surprised? nobody could ever be surprised at anything that happens here. >> so can i -- as a follow-up could i ask you, why do you think you in particular seem to have so much leverage or ability to drive donald trump to this level of distraction, to run out of an infrastructure meeting, he actually hasn't come up with a nickname. why do you think you have done what others haven't been able to do which is throw him so off balance. >> well i think -- i alluded to it earlier, when i transitioned to your question. he recognizes the unity of our caucus. and that is a very big deal. because he -- he isn't about
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that. he's not about consensus -- and also on his side of the aisle he didn't see that kind of unity. so i think he sees the fact that we are united as something that he has to -- >> deal with -- >> to contend with and to deal with and as leader of house democrats, speaker of the house, he was to deal with me officially but also in terms of negotiating on the leader of the party that that unity gives me leverage. >> you have a busy day. a lot of important meetings. obviously the issue of the investigations and what you said, that he's engaged in a cover-up is a tap of news. you have eloquently laid out the constitutional role of congress and oversight over the executive branch.
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with the trump administration that is defying and trying to defy the subpoenas and fighting every effort to hold it accountable, how does congress fulfill this oversight role moving forward and what do you say to those who believe in impeachment inquiry will give congress what it needs to hold him accountable? >> well, that is a big long question. thank you for that. i know you heard from adam schiff this morning and he's one of our sim chairs lead -- the six chairs leading the way on what we are going to do. first thing i will say, we take an oath of office to protect and defend the constitution of the united states. democrats take that oath seriously and we're committed to honoring our oath of office. i'm not sure that our republican colleagues share that commitment. and i'm not sure that the president of the united states does, too. so in light

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